Can't find any 9mm self defense rounds.


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awhendricks
March 14, 2013, 03:38 PM
:fire: I just bought a Smith & Wesson Shield 9mm, and I can't even carry the thing since I can't find any hollow points locally or online (besides gunbroker for $2+ a round) I know I'm preaching to the choir, and yes I stood in line behind 70 people today at Gander Mtn. only to see a few boxes of FMJ 9mm gone in a nano second. :cuss: Sorry, had to vent. Anyone know of any sites where you can pre-order anything?

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mljdeckard
March 14, 2013, 03:42 PM
Yes, it's silly. HOWEVER, it might be worth it to buy one load of premium JHP at a ridiculous price to have it for carry, if that's what you plan on using it for. (It would be even better if you could buy a couple of hundred of them to test first.)

We argue a lot over whether JHP is necessary. I think some people overestimate the real-world difference between JHP and FMJ, but it's still an advantage nonetheless.

dirtykid
March 14, 2013, 03:52 PM
Check gunbot.net every couple hours throughout the day, they seem to keep on top of who's got what for available inventory,
I see some 147gr Golden-Sabers on there right now

PabloJ
March 14, 2013, 04:24 PM
:fire: I just bought a Smith & Wesson Shield 9mm, and I can't even carry the thing since I can't find any hollow points locally or online (besides gunbroker for $2+ a round) I know I'm preaching to the choir, and yes I stood in line behind 70 people today at Gander Mtn. only to see a few boxes of FMJ 9mm gone in a nano second. :cuss: Sorry, had to vent. Anyone know of any sites where you can pre-order anything?
Oh there is limit of one or two boxes of .45 or 9x19 for range use only. As I said not long ago things will be "improving" soon.

Mayvik
March 14, 2013, 04:31 PM
If you don't have another option, carry it with ball or whatever you've got. You should already know your target and what's behind it as a matter of course. HPs are a relatively new invention and bullets killed a whole lot of people over the years before they came along...

Teachu2
March 14, 2013, 05:15 PM
I'll check tonight - I might have a spare box of Gold Dot Short Barrel at home, if you are interested.

jrdolall
March 14, 2013, 05:28 PM
I have seen 9mm HP ammo at several LGS this week. Critical Defense was abundant at Barrow Automotive in Butler GA yesterday for $22 but they had no FMJ in 9mm.

tarosean
March 14, 2013, 05:33 PM
What part of TX?

ku4hx
March 14, 2013, 06:23 PM
If you don't have another option, carry it with ball or whatever you've got. You should already know your target and what's behind it as a matter of course. HPs are a relatively new invention and bullets killed a whole lot of people over the years before they came along...
Those worthless old solid balls and Minie Balls killed a large portion of the 620,000 dead in the War Between The States. The great herds of American Bison were decimated with big, slow rainbow trajectory solid lead pellets of various design.

That's good enough for me to dispel any myths of my cast boolits being a poor self defense choice.

Legal issues ... show me the court documents.

Teachu2
March 14, 2013, 07:10 PM
That must have been a sight to see - hunters taking down buffalo with 3" 9mm pistols...or was that Gettysburg that you were referring to? :neener:

SullyVols
March 14, 2013, 07:27 PM
My intention isn't to rub it in, but I have zero problems finding .357 and .44 magnum. I'm gonna hold on too them though - never know when one day it'll all dry up.

Ehtereon11B
March 14, 2013, 08:31 PM
I just came from Bass Pro in Leeds, AL and they had 0 handgun ammunition. FMJ or HP. Was encouraging to see rifle and shotgun ammo on the shelves though. Forget about reloading supplies.

Online will probably be your best bet. Most chain and brand stores like Cabelas doesn't even list most ammo anymore. I am guessing if TX is like AL, when you get away from the large cities into mining/oil towns you will find 1 or 2 large firearm stores and not many little ones. Check there, those places tend to get the ammo fresh off the presses.

SabbathWolf
March 14, 2013, 10:38 PM
Check gunbot.net every couple hours throughout the day, they seem to keep on top of who's got what for available inventory,
I see some 147gr Golden-Sabers on there right now
Never heard of gunbot in my life. I just checked it out.
That is frickin' cool man with the real-time inventory thing.
THANK YOU. I added it to my favorites.


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wild cat mccane
March 14, 2013, 11:02 PM
If you hoarded ammo, you might be unwise if you aren't selling it right now...

USAF_Vet
March 14, 2013, 11:11 PM
I got some Golden Sabers at my LGS not too long ago. Half a shelf of 'em in stock and they were on sale. They also had frangible rounds, but I wasn't touching those. $1/ round of Golden Sabers isn't horribly awful given the days we're living, but the $2+/ round for the frangibles was just too much for a bullet I hope I never have to fire.

Fred_G
March 14, 2013, 11:13 PM
I wish I could fondle a S&W Shield... That, and 9mm ammo is not around.

jim243
March 14, 2013, 11:24 PM
Just tried it, it is cool and usefull. I am a reloader and don't pay attention to commercial ammo prices normally. You guys must be freeking out on those prices (ouch). No wonder Wally World's shelves get cleaned out as soon as it comes in.

I use to joke that I got into reloading to save money, but it never happened because I kept reloading more and more till I spent more on reloading than if I purchased ammo. I guess that isn't true anymore even with the higher cost of components.

Good luck, I hope this changes back to normal soon.
Jim

Deaf Smith
March 14, 2013, 11:30 PM
I just hope you gents here HAVE LEARNED TO GET YOUR GUNS AND AMMO BEFORE some idiot in Congress tries to ban them.

Now I doubt the ban will pass this time but hey, Dollar Bill Cllinton and Janet 'baby killer' Reno got it passes many years ago.

I learned from that one (we had a run on ammo and guns, especially ARs and AKs.. sound familiar?) and I have my setup.

So guys, learn from this one and after the hysteria dies down, and so does the prices, you get your setup and don't sell it. I didn't sell my 'Reno special' AK (it has no bayonet lug) when I bought it many years ago for $300 and I don't plan on selling it now.

Deaf

awhendricks
March 15, 2013, 01:07 AM
Thanks for the help guys, gunbot has given me some hope after seeing some rounds out there. I have found plenty of 147 and 115 grain jhp out there using gunbot, and now I just need to find some 124 jhp. I know I shouldn't be picky now, but I'm set on non +p 124 grain jhp.

awhendricks
March 15, 2013, 01:08 AM
What part of TX?
DFW area

tarosean
March 15, 2013, 02:38 AM
DFW area

Get out of the city and go to smaller town shops Ive had the best luck with those.
Know when your wally world receives their ammo shipments, same with acadamey, etc. Sign up for Midway and Brownells "contact me when in stock" options and be ready to pounce. The high volume Box stores are receiving it you just have to be there at the right time. You can find ammo its just not going to magically fall in your lap and will require a little effort.

bds
March 15, 2013, 10:05 AM
I buy my JHP from SG Ammo (often best prices online) - http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition

They are closed 3/15 - 3/24 and will resume operation on 3/25. They are currently out of stock on 9mm JHP ammunition but have plenty of other calibers. Check back on 3/25 and they may have restocked their inventory.

For 9mm, I usually recommend Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP but due to current situation, any JHP may be better than FMJ.

ramboo
March 15, 2013, 02:24 PM
Get some reloading equipment and some lead. I make and load my own for $2.10 a box or $63.00 for 1500 rounds and they are more accurate than store bought. Also wears your barrel less.

98C5
March 15, 2013, 03:01 PM
Gunbot is awesome! Scored 500rds of 45ACP for $195...

wvtarheel
March 15, 2013, 03:04 PM
Never heard of gunbot in my life. I just checked it out.
That is frickin' cool man with the real-time inventory thing.
THANK YOU. I added it to my favorites.



Gunbot was fantastic when it first started out. I got some insane deals on there. Now, it is the first result when you google ".223 ammunition in stock" and it is general knowledge on many firearms forums.

Everyone and there brother watches it like a hawk... you will see good priced ammo show up, and 3 minutes later it is bought out, out of stock again

So make sure you activate the beep alert and keep your ears open. Good luck!

One thing I did was invest in a 10mm. When 9mm is going for 80 cents a round, 45 cents for a hot 10mm load doesn't look so bad! When the ammo shortage goes back to normal I'll be back to shooting a lot more 9mm but until then, I'm enjoying my 10.

AlbertH
March 15, 2013, 03:09 PM
I buy my JHP from SG Ammo (often best prices online) - http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition

They are closed 3/15 - 3/24 and will resume operation on 3/25. They are currently out of stock on 9mm JHP ammunition but have plenty of other calibers. Check back on 3/25 and they may have restocked their inventory.

For 9mm, I usually recommend Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP but due to current situation, any JHP may be better than FMJ.
Right after Christmas they had a fabulous sale on Golden Saber JHP's but I doubt that will happen again for quite a while

awhendricks
March 15, 2013, 03:10 PM
using gunbot I bought two 50 round boxes of Federal Tactical HST 124 grain for 39.95 a box. I didn't think it was too bad of a price.

SabbathWolf
March 15, 2013, 05:39 PM
Gunbot was fantastic when it first started out. I got some insane deals on there. Now, it is the first result when you google ".223 ammunition in stock" and it is general knowledge on many firearms forums.

Everyone and there brother watches it like a hawk... you will see good priced ammo show up, and 3 minutes later it is bought out, out of stock again

So make sure you activate the beep alert and keep your ears open. Good luck!

One thing I did was invest in a 10mm. When 9mm is going for 80 cents a round, 45 cents for a hot 10mm load doesn't look so bad! When the ammo shortage goes back to normal I'll be back to shooting a lot more 9mm but until then, I'm enjoying my 10.
Thanks for the tip.
I appreciate it.

psyopspec
March 15, 2013, 05:50 PM
I'll check tonight - I might have a spare box of Gold Dot Short Barrel at home, if you are interested.

That's a good dude right there.

M1AFan
March 19, 2013, 08:13 PM
I like gunbot as well. I also came up with another site when trying to google in stock 223.
http://www.instock223.com seems like they have an up to date listing of ammo in stock 223 , 9MM , 40 etc. They have a several listings for 9MM JHP in stock.

tuj
March 20, 2013, 05:16 PM
ASYM has their excellent 9mm 124 bonded load available.

jrdolall
March 21, 2013, 09:27 AM
Gunbot showed Cabelas as having some 9mm FMJ yesterday, I think it was $13.99 but I don't need any. Within about an hour it was showing as out of stock.

98C5
March 21, 2013, 03:13 PM
I watch gunbot all the time. Stuff is selling FAST. I noticed one site was selling 9mm FMJ reloads for $127/500rds. I went on the site and they had 162 lots available. Sold out in 30 minutes.

That is 81000 rounds sold in half an hour. Gotta be quick!

jrdolall
March 21, 2013, 04:00 PM
Gunbot showed that someone had .22 for $.15 per round but I can't remember which company. That was yesterday and again this morning and is $75 per brick. It is not showing in stock as of a few minutes ago so people are still crazy in some regards.

Cabela's had .223 this morning at around $.45 per round delivered and it is all gone.
They also had 9mm for a decent price yesterday and it was gone in an hour.

I also saw some 7.62x39 this morning at around $.25 and the lowest they show now is
$.42 per round.

All of these were compliments of Gunbot at around 7:30 EST. Ammo is showing up at affordable prices, relatively affordable, but you better be able to pull the trigger right away because it is gone fast. The only thing I really needed was some .22 mag and I did find it at Graf's for a decent price with a 10 box max. 5.45 has been pretty available all along at normal prices.

JFtheGR8
March 21, 2013, 04:15 PM
Link to gunbot for 9mm:

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/9mm/


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Certaindeaf
March 21, 2013, 04:22 PM
If you hoarded ammo, you might be unwise if you aren't selling it right now...
Fingers not cold or dead yet.. last I checked anyways.

jrdolall
March 21, 2013, 05:00 PM
I guess all that 9mm I picked up this past year for $8.97 a box (.18 per round) was a good idea. Same with 45 at $9.97 and .22 bricks at less than $20 per brick. The only thing I really need/want is affordable .22 LR and I mean 4-5c per round at the most.

breakingcontact
March 21, 2013, 08:07 PM
I guess all that 9mm I picked up this past year for $8.97 a box (.18 per round) was a good idea. Same with 45 at $9.97 and .22 bricks at less than $20 per brick. The only thing I really need/want is affordable .22 LR and I mean 4-5c per round at the most.

OK. That doesn't help the OP. I "got mine" too before the madness but lots of people didn't.

Deaf Smith
March 21, 2013, 08:34 PM
awhendricks,

Uh FMJ IS a self-defense round. Shoots through a bit more but it does work.

Deaf

TimboKhan
March 21, 2013, 10:46 PM
Having been shot with fmj, I can say that it is good for practice, but nothing I would want to rely on for defensive purposes. It zipped through and did some serious damage, but had it expanded like an average hollow point round, it likely would have nicked my spine and did considerably more internal damage.

Now, if you can shoot, a whole passel of fmj will do the trick. But my own personal opinion is that the 9mm requires a good hp bullet to shine as a self defense round.

JoNCT
March 22, 2013, 04:32 PM
If you've been checking Gunbot, there's been plenty of quality SD 9mm ammo (not necessarily cheap but not crazily expensive either, especially since you just need a couple of boxes). Here's one source for arguably one of the best SD rounds (Speer Gold Dot +P 124gr) at around $1.30/round: http://www.venturamunitions.com/speer-9mm-p-124gr-gold-dot-hp-20-rounds/; and here's another choice quite a bit cheaper: http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/Winchester-Ranger-9mm-Luger-124-Grain-P-RA9124TP-p/ra9124tp-a.htm

Deaf Smith
March 22, 2013, 08:15 PM
Having been shot with fmj, I can say that it is good for practice, but nothing I would want to rely on for defensive purposes. It zipped through and did some serious damage, but had it expanded like an average hollow point round, it likely would have nicked my spine and did considerably more internal damage.

Now, if you can shoot, a whole passel of fmj will do the trick. But my own personal opinion is that the 9mm requires a good hp bullet to shine as a self defense round.
But did it put you down and incapacitate you?

The purpose of SD shooting is to stop not kill.

The NYPD used FMJ for several years before going to JHPs. The main reason for change over was over penetration. Yes it does not have as much stopping power as JHPs (when they work) but it's not like flicking marbles at the BG.

If all one has is FMJ, use it!

Deaf

TimboKhan
March 23, 2013, 03:31 PM
No, it did not. It center punched me and took out my left kidney in addition to punching a bunch of little holes in my intestines and stomach, but I was combat effective for at least another ten minutes. It was unpleasant, but not incapacitating on anything approaching an immediate timeframe.

Hey, I am not saying to abandon all hope if thats all you have, and if it would have gone through my head or heart, I am certain that I would have been killed. I am saying that fmj simply isn't the best choice. 9mm is a round that will do anything you need it to if you have the right bullet, and for sd purposes fmj just isn't the right bullet.

sent from my Galaxy Note II.

jrdolall
March 23, 2013, 06:08 PM
9mm JHP is available online from at least 30 different retailers. It is pretty high priced but if you are looking for SD rounds then 2-3 boxes will get you by until pricing gets better.

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