Enemy at the Gates DVD


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Lightsped
February 2, 2003, 11:37 PM
I am not sure if anyone here likes the Enemy at the Gates movie, but if so, the DVD is currently 12.99 at Circuit City. :)

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PATH
February 3, 2003, 01:14 AM
Special effects and some scenes were excellent. The storyline was not the greatest. There is some doubt as to whether an Erwin Konig even existed. see www.snipercentral.com



Simo Hayha, a Finnish sniper had 542 confirmed kills in WWII. Now that is the fellow to make a sniper movie about.

TexasVet
February 3, 2003, 01:19 AM
But the GUNS are GREAT and actually fairly accurate for Hollywood.

Shooter 2.5
February 3, 2003, 01:22 AM
It's one of those movies that tries to get "The Worst Ending" Award.

I expected a tumbleweed to blow by.

444
February 3, 2003, 01:36 AM
I bought the DVD when it was first released, after seeing it twice at the theatre. I was disappointed in the movie (Then why did I see it twice at the theatre ? I took two different women. The first time I really wanted to see it, and the second time I was just looking for a movie I would tolorate). I had read the story several times over the years, the first being when I was a kid. Our whole society is about trying to please everyone, and for some reason we can't figure out that you will never please everyone and in trying, all you are going to do is disappoint someone else or make someone else mad. The movie industry is no different. It seems we can't have just a straight war movie anymore, it has to be a war movie/love story.
When I watched the movie for the first time, I knew right then that I had to buy a MN 91/30 and a K98 Mauser. I knew they were just about giving them away, and I also knew that there was no way I was going to pay for the actual sniper rifles. For about a year afterwards I went totally off the deep end and ended up buying over 20 milsurp rifles. I read everything I could find about them, bought all the reloading stuff etc.

PATH
February 3, 2003, 01:38 AM
444,

'tis a fine madness so it is!;)

Kahr carrier
February 3, 2003, 06:52 AM
Rachel Weiss was cool in that movie.:D

El Tejon
February 3, 2003, 07:06 AM
Mmmmm, Rachel Weiss.

ruger357
February 3, 2003, 07:12 AM
I had bought the video when it came out. Great movie.

Monte Harrison
February 3, 2003, 09:09 AM
http://www.thespiannet.com/actresses/W/weisz_rachel/weisz1.jpg Amazing how a person who is really kinda homely if you look at them objectively can at the same time be so HOT.:what:

I'm glad I had read enough reviews of this movie before seeing it that I wasn't disappointed, because I wasn't expecting much from it. The amount of detail in the weapons, uniforms and equipment was certainly impressive. The movie was very eye-opening to me in showing the total lack of regard the USSR had for its troops. I had read somewhere that there were whole army and KGB units whose job it was to stay behind the front-line units and kill anyone trying to retreat, but seeing this enacted on screen gave it a lot of impact ("Have no pity for these cowards!"). Ed Harris was maybe a little too cold and reptilian, but sure looked the part. I could have lived without the whole love triangle thing.

Blackhawk
February 3, 2003, 10:55 AM
I had a great book titled "Inside The Soviet Army" by Viktor Suvorov.

It described what you were saying, Monte.

Unfortunately, it was one of those books that never came back after I loaned it out one too many times....

El Tejon
February 3, 2003, 12:32 PM
Blackhawk, mne zhal, tovarish. I'll look for another around here. Don't you hate that?

Rachel Weiss kind of homely? You're breaking my heart! She's gorgeous. The accent adds a bunch of points as well.:)

Detritus
February 3, 2003, 03:10 PM
but other than that a top german sniper WAS sent to hunt Stalingrad. as far as i could find info there isn't any direct german reference to sending anyone out after Zeitzev(sp?) specificly. but due to heightened losses amoung the german "snipers" sent into Stalingrad, an Instructor from the school of marksmanship (or whatever they called it) was sent to observe, instruct, ect. the conditions and troops in that h*!lhole.

the russians became aware of this man's presence and sent Zeitsev out to hunt him. whether or not the german "instructor" ever chose to reciprocate i do not know. but we have matching time periods for the germans deploying the "ubersniper" and zeitsev's account of the arrival of a german who the high command wanted him to find and eliminate. there is even an aproximate correlation between the cessation of reports from the German sniper to Berlin (and also his disappearence from german records period), and the date on which Zeitsev places his killing of a "german sniper of high rank" that had built a hide under a piece of scrap metal, near the train yard.


so yes the german officer represented by "koenig" is real, but the "reality" of the zeitsv/german ubersniper duel is questionable. Zeitsev's kill record is legit, his killing of a german officer of the sniper corps is legit. but no one knows if the officer in question was sent to "kill zeitsev", for all we know he could have been there to simply gather data for how to better use Snipers in such an enviroment. but the Russians made it a great personal duel, for propaganda purposes regardless of whether it was legit or not.

Greg L
February 3, 2003, 03:53 PM
I really want to know where they got that LH Mosin for the cover. :rolleyes:

Greg

cratz2
February 3, 2003, 04:40 PM
Mmmmm, Rachel Weiss.

True... True...

I really want to know where they got that LH Mosin for the cover.

Easy... Any bad camera person could tell you. ;)

Or a good camera person could tell you how easy it is for good camera work to be poorly manipulated. :rolleyes:

illuminatus99
February 3, 2003, 08:54 PM
sometimes when you do a shot like that it doesn't look right the way it is but ends up looking right when you flip it horizontally, a good photographer will take the shot again with everything in the right place, a lazy one just flips it.

*8*
February 4, 2003, 01:31 AM
Yeah, she's a hottie..

GregL, LOL I was wondering about it myself, someone gave me one of those movie posters and I was like wt*, the bolt on that Mosin is a lefty. :p

dude
February 4, 2003, 02:02 AM
I dug the movie the first time in the theater, great weapons scenes as we all would agree. THEN I rented it a year or so later and popped it into the DVD player and cranked up the sound. Try as I might I could not get through it because almost everyone had an English accent, commies and all!! It was like watching Saturday night PBS British shows! I did'ent really notice it at the Movies but IT WAS ANNOYING AS HELL the 2nd time around.

You would think that with all the reformed commies we now have living in the West, Hollywood could have rounded a few of them up who can act for the movie.




BTW- I have a Mauser now after seeing the Movie! A Styer, arsenal re-barreled to .308 NATO but hey, it looks the same.

Mike Irwin
February 4, 2003, 11:21 AM
Guys, there ain't one thing homely about Rachel Weiss.

Check out her work in "The Mummy" (a fun gun movie in its own right).

Try not to drool.

Blackcloud6
February 4, 2003, 03:22 PM
I think what confuses everyone about this movie was that it was called "Enemy at the Gates" but was not based on the book of that title. The movie was based on a book called "War of the Rats" which was a novel based on the real Zitsev and the legend of the duel between him and "Koenig" as well as the love triangle of Zitsev, the girl sniper and the commissar The movie followed the novel pretty close.

The book "Enemy at the Gates" is a history of the Battle of Stalingrad that came out ca. 1970s (I think) and it mentions the sniper duel but covers the full aspect of the battle.

dance varmint
February 4, 2003, 05:01 PM
Isn't Ed Harris an anti, though?

dude
February 4, 2003, 05:17 PM
An actor's attitude on politics................. are as meaningful to me a politician's attitude on actors

Silver Bullet
February 4, 2003, 06:26 PM
I think "Enemy at the Gates" has become my favorite war movie, but "The Deer Hunter" had that distinction for such a long time that it's hard to let go.

It might be my favorite sniper movie, too, although "Sniper" was a lot of fun.

Stinger
February 4, 2003, 06:30 PM
Yea,

Accents really bother me, also.

Why did Harrison Ford use a Russian accent while speaking English in Widowmaker? Either have him speak Russian, or English. That makes more sense to me.

Stinger

dude
February 4, 2003, 10:15 PM
If any of you war movie fans have yet to see The Beast.......stop what you are doing and get it. While it is from the late 80s, it is still the benchmark I use to rate all other war movies. It's about a Russian tank taking a wrong turn in the Afganistan war.

If you like tanks and real ordanance being use for special effects, don't bither renting......... just buy it! All filmed in Isreal with modernized T-55s recently in use with the IDF. Other than the tank crews leaving their rigs during an attack, it is a well done flick.

Mad Man
February 4, 2003, 11:40 PM
Accents really bother me, also.




One of the great things about The Beast (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0094716) is that the actors don't attempt to fake a Russian accent. It makes the movie more enjoyable, and easier to relate to the characters.

A friend of mine who was a tank commander in the Israeli army during the Yom Kippur war recommended this movie to me.

FYI: The Beast was directed by Kevin Reynolds (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Reynolds,%20Kevin%20(I)), who wrote Red Dawn (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0087985).

Detritus
February 5, 2003, 12:30 AM
the ending always reminded me of a verse from Kipling's "the young british souldier"

When you're wounded and dying on afghanistan's plains
And the women come out to cut up what remains
roll to your rifle and blow out your brains

And go to your god Like a SOLDIER!.....


i hate to be political, here and mostly i'm of a completely different leaning with regards to US policy.

but, in turn the two largest empires (of their times) on the face of the planet, England and then the Soviet Union, tried and miserably FAILED to to bring anything apraoching modern "civilization" to Afghanistan. what on the face of the earth, (other than stupid pride and blind arrogance) makes the US think that we will be able to do better???


also my appologies to this not being an "enemy at the gates" post.

i will say that after seeing "Enemy.." i read "War of the rats" the book in my oppion was much better, and in some ways more plausible. for those who have read "War of the Rats" and seen "Enemy.." at the theater, don't you think that the story might have gone off better if such personalities as Viktor Medvedev (though i think Ron Pearlman's character was ment as a stand in), and the german corporal Nikki Mond, had not been axed out and replaced by a bunch of 'tear jerker" (not romantic but "emotional" like the double agent kid) BS?? though i guess making Zeitsev's love interest NOT be a blonde member of the Brooklyn chapter of the American communist party, probably WAS a good change for "palatability by movie goers".

and Ed Harris' "Koenig" bore no resemblance to any account given in fact or fiction of the German "headmaster" sniper. but my money IS on the real guy being very similar to Colonel Thorvald in War of the Rats. a cold, arrogant, out of shape, aristocract that was a good "Sharpshooter" but a lousy "Sniper". There IS a difference and it is huge. a sniper can be likened to a "hunter of men", a sharpshooter is simply a talented rifleman shooting from a hidden position. you can teach a man all of the skills needed to do both jobs, markmanship, fieldcraft, concealment, ect. but there is some part of the mind or soul that will forever separate each from the other. Carlos Hathcock, Vasily Zeitsev, Simo Hayha, and to some (including myself) Joseph Ward, these men were Snipers. a man hidden in a church steeple, tied into a jungle tree, or hidden in a hole to take potshots at anyone who walks by is a sharpshooter. the term "sniper" has become over used (see the DC "serial killers") we've begun to see any hidden shooter as a Sniper.

my appologies i got myself riled a bit there.

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