Shipping ammo to Illinois


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JH225
March 15, 2013, 12:52 AM
Can I as an individual ship ammo to a resident of Illinois according to current law and what is needed to complete the transaction?

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jungleking
March 15, 2013, 01:34 AM
Probably the same as any distributor. as long as they are a FOID card holder and the package is correctly marked you should be fine.

Schutzen
March 15, 2013, 05:28 AM
I live just across the river from Illinois. I have found the best way to deal with all the Illinois law and regulations is to not deal, sell, or buy in Illinois. The risk is too great and the reward is insignificant.

Trent
March 15, 2013, 09:05 AM
JH225 -

Yes you can ship ammo to Illinois. (But only OUTSIDE Of Cook County!)

You need to have the purchaser send you a copy of their FOID and drivers license (one to make the sale legal, verify age, etc, the other to verify their current mailing address is not in Cook county; they do not issue new FOID cards when you get a change of address).

Neo-Luddite
March 15, 2013, 09:07 AM
You need a copy of the buyer's FOID. Also, a few ammo items are illegal in IL ~ dragon's breath shotshells, flachet shotshells, AP ammo except for (exempt per meshing of IL law and ATF ruling) ss 109 5.56 and AP M2 in .30/06.

AFAIK that is pretty much it. Needless to say, this is about IL apart from Chi.

Also, not to differ with Trent, but the DL in IL does *NOT* have to be physically altered for lawful change of address ~ only the DMV needs to be notified. In other words, you'll need to verify that the shipping address is not in Cook/greater Chi area on your own.

Trent
March 15, 2013, 10:19 AM
Neo-

Sorry, I stand corrected. :)

Every place I've ever ordered ammo from asks for a drivers license; not sure why, since the FOID is a state issued ID which shows date of birth.

I don't think there's any specific requirement to get a copy of their DL.

Jeff White
March 15, 2013, 12:53 PM
Every place I've ever ordered ammo from asks for a drivers license; not sure why, since the FOID is a state issued ID which shows date of birth.

A FOID card is not valid ID because it is issued by mail. There is no requirement for you to show up at a government office with proof of who you are to get one. They won't let you in a casino with a FOID as ID nor should anyone sell you alcohol with just a FOID as ID.

I know it sounds crazy since it uses the information and photo from your DL but that's the way the law looks at it.

Canuck-IL
March 15, 2013, 02:03 PM
You currently can't even buy cigarettes with just a FOID in IL.

I'm unsure about the "ship into Cook County" vs "ship into Chicago" differences - don't have time to check it out right now. Some of the major ammo shops just use a blanket "not to Cook" rule but I have ordered and received ammo, powder and primers without questions from several major sellers - I'm inside Cook but outside Chicago.

Powder Valley, Ammunition_to_Go, Lucky_Gunner, Target_Sports_USA and several others have not asked for anything more than an e-mailed copy of the FOID and DL - sometimes not even the DL.
/Bryan

Trent
March 15, 2013, 02:06 PM
Ok. Thanks for the clarification Jeff. That makes sense.

I guess places ask for a DL because it's a state issued ID that proves residency and age, while the FOID shows you're allowed to possess (or more specifically, purchase) ammo.

If I were shipping *TO* Illinois, I'd ask for both. (I've always been asked for both when I order; except from Ammoman, I don't think he even bothered asking for anything when I ordered 50 BMG. But that's been a decade ago.)

JH225
March 15, 2013, 10:12 PM
Wow. seems like a lot of trouble and a place I sure wouldn't want to live.

Thanks for all the info.

Trent
March 16, 2013, 08:58 AM
JH225-

It's not so bad if you grew up here. We've all been used to getting our rights trampled on for so long. The masses are waking up slowly though.

Ohio Gun Guy
March 16, 2013, 09:11 AM
people get mad, but to understand all of the got-ya's built into the laws of NY, CA, Ill, NJ, etc. its just not worth it, which is unfortunate, because that is the intended purpose....

Trent
March 16, 2013, 09:21 AM
You aren't kidding Ohio; there's a LOT of people here who don't understand the laws. 99.995% in fact. Heck, just listen to ONE gun debate in our House of Representatives or in our Judiciary committee. I've heard the Illinois State Police, judges, representatives, senators, and police chiefs ALL get little nuances of our firearms laws WRONG.

I've been active with gun rights for 15+ years in Illinois and I *still* don't have everything down (mainly due to case law being different, in different parts of the state).

-T

slumlord44
March 17, 2013, 03:38 PM
Also from Illinois. The problem is not just with Illinois and not just with gun laws. Most laws are way too complicated. They are written by lawyers to keep lawyers working. I have rental property. Keeping up with the rules is a nightmare, especially when you get an inspector with an attititude! On one hand most of the time if you do something not quite right, you will ppobablly never get caught, on the other hand if you are unlucky, you may get busted. It is impossible for every infraction to be caught.

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