US Senator From PA No Friend of Second Amendment


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hotajax
March 15, 2013, 09:32 AM
While Sen Toomey may have had the backing of the Tea Party in the last election, it is far from a slam dunk that he is a gun backer. I have sent him three letters, none of which have been answered. I called the NRA Institute for Legislative Affairs to find out if that organization had a rating on Sen Toomey. The response that I received was his support for the Second Amendment was "poor". He has not responded to the NRA for their requests to find out what side of the fence he is on. While he is not up for reelection in 2014, his vote still counts (and be sure the NRA will be watching) so keep the letters coming in. The other Senator from PA, Bob Casey, is a lost cause, as he will do whatever Pres Obama wants him to do.

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Pilot
March 15, 2013, 09:36 AM
It seems some "conservatives" are in name only. I voted for Toomey, and supported him. I also sent him several emails and got luke warm responses from him. Very disappointing. Same with Jim Gerlach, my Rep. It seems these guys like to test the waters before committing to anything. They are certainly not there to uphold the Constitution. :fire:

Prophet
March 15, 2013, 09:48 AM
The guy never impressed me. I wanted Peg Luksik on the ballot but he pretty much destroyed any chance of that happening. I voted for him as the lesser of two evils.

Yo Mama
March 15, 2013, 11:03 AM
The tea party has been corrupted like every other movement. I was there in the start, a true grass roots movement with no leader. The point was not to have a leader, then you have different opinions that are no longer represented.

Once they saw the movement, outsiders inserted themselves into the "party". Then it changed entirely to only fiscal responsibility, no longer to focus on the social conservative issues that many were actively working on prior to the change forced by the leaders that no one wanted. :banghead:

Prophet
March 16, 2013, 12:44 PM
I forgot to mention that I did receive the typical watered-down nonsense response from Toomey shortly after I contacted him. I'm currently writing a rebuttal.

italics and bold mine
Dear ***********

Thank you for contacting me about gun control. I appreciate hearing from you.

As you may know, January 16, 2013, President Obama announced a variety of gun policy measures in response to the Newtown, CT killings. I therefore value knowing your views on this important issue, which is important to me as I carefully review the President's proposals. Like many Pennsylvanians, I believe that Second Amendment rights are important and must be protected, but there may be areas of agreement with the White House that can be addressed to improve public safety. I also believe that people who use guns in an illegal manner or harm others with them should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

That said, we have consistently observed that mass killings are the result of serious mental illness. We therefore need to better protect ourselves from mentally ill individuals who seek to carry out such atrocities, including improved background checks. We also need to review and improve how we take care of the mentally ill. As I continue working with my Senate colleagues on both sides of the aisle on public safety, please be assured that I will keep your views about firearms in mind.

Thank you again for your correspondence. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of assistance.

Sincerely,

Prophet
March 16, 2013, 02:20 PM
My response;

Dear Pat Toomey,

Every law-abiding firearm owner in Pennsylvania I've talked to recently has expressed severe disappointment in your seemingly half-hearted support of the Second Amendment. I also was disappointed by the very rank-and-file response I received from you concerning recent attacks on our civil liberties.

You stated in your message that certain White House proposals could be agreed with. It is of my own and the vast majority of gun owner's opinions that none of the president's proposals can be agreed with, but we are curious as to which of his or the vice president's measures you seem to find agreeable. Before formulating a response, please bear this in mind; many attempt to illustrate the perceived need for stringent controls on our civil right to keep and bear arms and other civil rights by using the 1st Amendment comparison for not being permitted to yell "fire" in a crowded theatre. While this may be true, consider that we do not regulate the 1st Amendment by requiring individuals purchase permits to speak, much like we do here in the state of PA if one wants to protect himself discreetly or in his or her car. Nor do we limit them to certain types of speech or tools with which free speech may be disseminated, such as bans on computer keyboards, telephones, and typewriters. Nor do we require those law-abiding citizens entering the make-believe theatre to place duct-tape over their mouths in fear and anticipation that one of them may yell "fire". If a citizen yells "fire" in a crowded theatre, laws are meant to punish them after they commit the crime if panic ensues; not before. Please also realize that American citizens over the past few decades have been willing to accept certain infringements on their civil right to keep and bear arms, such as the GCA of 1968 and, here in Pennsylvania, being required to purchase and renew a license to defend ourselves with a firearm discreetly or in our cars while states like Arizona have passed Constitutional Carry laws permitting their citizens to carry a firearm for defense without any such permit. Many have acquiesced to such infringements in hopes that no further infringements would follow, but we are quickly beginning to realize this is not, nor will ever be the case.

As a Senator I would expect you to know this, but laws, particularly those concerning our God-given civil rights such as the Second Amendment, are not meant to prevent crimes from happening by harshly punishing decent, law-abiding citizens. Such laws almost always fail disastrously, if you'll remember the prohibition era or the assault weapons ban of 1993. Laws are meant to appropriately punish criminals for their deeds after they commit them, which our collective and massive failure to accomplish I personally feel is an exponentially greater contributor to the sub-culture of violence and criminal recklessness that exists in America than are responsible, law-abiding citizens such as myself who will only use any firearm we own, regardless of style or nature, as a recreational passtime, for hunting, or for defense of ourselves and other Pennsylvanians; be it against the common criminal or enemies foreign and domestic.

Please consider that I will not support you in any of your future political endeavors as I have done in the past if you do not prove a hardline stance in defending the invaluable civil liberties of Pennsylvanian citizens such as myself, liberties that countless Americans have fought, suffered and died for. I am very politically vocal in my community, and I can assure you that they also will waver in their support for you in lieu of your response should it be less than satisfactory.

The existence of the Second Amendment is vital to the continued security and survival of Pennsylvania, as well as to the entirety of the United States.

We patiently await your response.

Sincerest regards,

Edit; feel free to copy and send, or use it as a platform to jumpstart your own correspondence.

hotajax
March 17, 2013, 06:46 PM
Looks like he's' planning us on giving us the short end of the stick. But, as long as he gets re-elected, I guess in his mind that's fine.

OilyPablo
March 17, 2013, 06:55 PM
Some of the people are just sittin' on the fence waitin' for the wind to blow.

At least you know the real anti-2nd amendment people. It's the wafflers that want their cake too that may finish us off.

Prophet
March 18, 2013, 10:00 PM
Just received this response from the NRA-ILA upon forwarding Pat Toomey's last transmission;

Thank you for contacting the NRA-ILA. We appreciate you forwarding us this response from Senator Pat Toomey. I am forwarding it on to our Federal Affairs office for further action. Thank you again.

Sincerely,

Erik

NRA-ILA

I suggest that we continue trying to contact Pat Toomey. I've even been sending links to pro-2A writeups I come across.

Mikey2201
March 20, 2013, 06:16 PM
I had hopes for Toomey.

Casey is far left. He ran on pro gun issues but flipped the second he got relected.

Prophet
April 7, 2013, 06:10 PM
Just received this from GOA; it would probably pay us all to call and send a message to Pat Toomey telling him to stay strong on the 2A. If anti's are reaching out to him, it's for a reason.

Anti-gun Democrats Pressuring Toomey to Support Gun Restrictions

CeaseFirePA is planning to protest at Senator Toomey's office
in Philadelphia at 10:30 am on Tuesday.

“With the Senate set to take up a major gun-control bill as early as next week, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) has quietly reached out to conservative Sen. Pat Toomey for support on expanding background [registration] checks on all gun sales.” - Politico, April 5, 2013

Senator Pat Toomey is being pressured to sell out the Second Amendment to anti-gun zealot Chuck Schumer and Second Amendment turncoat Joe Manchin.

Senator Schumer has made a career of trapping hapless Republican senators into betraying their party. He is a ruthless partisan, whose siren-song for GOP sell-outs bears a substantial responsibility for the Senate still being in Democratic hands.

Senator Manchin was the "best friend of the Second Amendment" on November 5 - and its worst enemy on November 7. His capacity for stabbing his constituents in the back the moment they have elected him to a six-year term has added a new term to the lexicon: "pulling a Manchin."

If Toomey allows Schumer, Manchin, and Obama to use him to "break the back of the gun lobby," he will have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory - as we are very close to defeating ALL gun control in the Senate, if the Republicans will only stick to their guns and support the Paul-Cruz-Lee filibuster.

As you know, these three Republican Senators - Rand Paul (KY), Ted Cruz (TX) and Mike Lee (UT) - have publicly committed to filibustering gun control in the Senate.

Not only that, there are now more than a dozen Senators who have committed to filibustering any anti-Second Amendment legislation.

But Toomey’s name is not listed among them!

By filibustering gun control and keeping it from even coming to the floor, Harry Reid won’t have two weeks to score political points against Toomey by forcing him to vote on a zillion anti-gun measures - including gun bans, magazine limitations, gun owner registration and more.

But the prerequisite to this is for Toomey to join his Republican colleagues in supporting this filibuster - something he has yet to do.

And that is where you come in.

Senator Toomey needs to hear from Pennsylvanians from all over the state.

CeaseFirePA is planning to protest at Senator Toomey's office in Philadelphia at 10:30 am on Tuesday. If you or your family or your friends can show up to counter-protest, Sen. Toomey could definitely use your support. Bring signs such as:


Ban background checks
Universal Gun Registration = Confiscation
Criminals Ignore Gun Laws
Don’t Criminalize Me
Pennsylvanians for Self-Protection
No to Big Brother Invasion
Protect My Privacy

These are just ideas to get you started. Bring anything else you can think of!

Click here to read more about the CeaseFire protest here.

ACTION: Contact Senator Toomey and urge him to support the Paul-Cruz-Lee filibuster and to OPPOSE any move to proceed to a gun control extravaganza (which includes the Feinstein ban) - as that will be regarded as a vote in favor of Feinstein.

You can call Senator Toomey and register your opposition to ALL gun control at 202-224-4254.

Click here to send Senator Toomey a prewritten email.

http://www.capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/alert/?alertid=62572731

Also, please consider counter-protesting CeaseFirePA so that Toomey knows there are more pro-gunners in the Keystone State than there are gun grabbers! Forward this alert to all your pro-gun family and friends, and to all your pro-gun lists!

I'm personally not a big fan of the sign suggestions, particularly the ones referring to "big brother". It feeds the paranoid conspiracy theorist stereotype. But if anyone can get off to protest that day by all means do it.

dragon813gt
April 8, 2013, 10:48 PM
I urge everyone to contact him. Here is a link: http://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=contact
I'm fed up with all my PA national representatives at the moment. At least my state representatives are on it.


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Mikey2201
April 9, 2013, 08:23 PM
I just sent Senator Toomey another email asking him not to support ANY new gun legislation.

RetiredUSNChief
April 9, 2013, 09:30 PM
My response;



Edit; feel free to copy and send, or use it as a platform to jumpstart your own correspondence.

Of note here, with respect to the First Amendment and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater:

This argument, itself, is entirely invalid in the first place. The First Amendment does not provide or protect any "right" of any individual to say whatever they please in any such instances.

The right to "freedom of speech" is a restriction on the government to keep the government from censuring citizens who choose to speak out against the govenment.

Yelling "fire" in a theater, cussing out your boss at work, screaming at strippers in a night club, or any other "example" of "free speach limitations" are NOT APPLICABLE TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT.


So, the next time any "lilberal" fanatic chooses to bring up the old "yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater" limitation on the First Amendment, feel free to set them straight on that.


:D

joepmo
April 9, 2013, 10:25 PM
Okay I have what seems a silly question. Forgetting all the stupid people who are unable to comprehend the complete lie about the "40%" , and assuming this idiot proposal does pass, what in the heck prevents the guy at the gun show from saying to his buyer, "Hey here is my number, call me on Monday and we can complete this as private sale."

Regarding "Internet sales" - what the heck they are trying to pass a law to address the half dozen sites like Armslist? First of all, you already have to FFL an interstate shipment. If a local guy wants to drive to meet me to buy a gun I advertise on Armslist, how is that different than placing a classified ad in the local paper?

I think they are all having Diana DeGette "mazazines are bullets and they get used up" moments. I am not for one minute suggesting that we give an inch, I just am baffled by what they think this actually accomplishes...

Oh wait nevermind, it makes them feel good that they did something.:banghead:

JERRY
April 9, 2013, 10:34 PM
look for Penna to be the next Colorado....they already carried obama's water twice. while the state is shall issue (like colorado) they are sliding down the socialist path....

Prophet
April 9, 2013, 10:53 PM
they are sliding down the socialist path....

Unfortunately this is the case. Thanks Philly and Pittsburgh. :banghead:

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