Glock30sf or Springfield xds


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jimbo555
March 15, 2013, 08:19 PM
I'm looking for a 45acp. I have handled both and consider them both belt carry guns. Why should I buy the xds

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helitack32f1
March 15, 2013, 09:04 PM
As a die-hard Glock fan, I'd say, go for the XDs. It is astounding considering the size of the thing and IMO would nearly be the perfect CCW. I want one but they are just too expensive and I am too busy trying to acquire other guns at this time and I can't justify needing to replace the Glock 23 I have been carrying since 1993.

There will be absolutely nothing wrong with the Glock either, especially if you want more rounds to play with. (10 vs 5). Personally, I would choose the new 30s over the SF.

jimbo555
March 15, 2013, 09:53 PM
I would choose the 30s also,but can't find one. The xds is cheaper than the Glock here but not by much.The capacity is a big issue for me,I guess I answered my question!

Inebriated
March 16, 2013, 12:07 AM
Personally, I would take a G30. A tad larger and heavier, but double the capacity in a gun that's still easy to conceal.

PabloJ
March 16, 2013, 02:31 AM
I'm looking for a 45acp. I have handled both and consider them both belt carry guns. Why should I buy the xds
No new pants with larger waist size are needed for IWB carry?:confused:

Feanaro
March 16, 2013, 02:59 AM
I like my XDs, pocket carry it every day. It's small enough when wearing slacks or cargo pants (jeans are a no-go for me) but big enough to shoot fairly effectively. It fits my hand pretty well. Recoil is hefty but manageable. Love the sights.

Downsides: I haven't actually heard of anyone wearing out a recoil spring assembly but it looks distressingly beat up after less than 500 rounds. Also, I had some initial trouble with stovepiping rounds while reloading with a full magazine and the slide closed. If I didn't really rack that sucker hard, it would stovepipe. No issues from slidelock. Whether because the pistol has loosened up a tad or I've just been made aware of the issue, I haven't had that problem after the first 100 rounds.

I'm not entirely sure why you are choosing between the XDs and the 30SF though. They aren't really comparable. The Glock 36 would seem the natural competitor to the XDs, while the 30SF's Springfield counterpart would be the XDm Compact.

critter
March 16, 2013, 06:57 AM
I got the XDs. Shot it again yesterday. VERY accurate and has NEVER had a problem of ANY kind. VERY concealable-I usually carry it concealed with the short mag in it and a 7-rounder as extra.

I'm carrying 200 gain JHP's in it for 'social purposes' as they are easier to handle in recoil and fast shooting and are VERY accurate in the little thing.

Love mine! It will be with me today when I go out.

bikerbill
March 16, 2013, 01:56 PM
Got an XDs about a month ago and so far it is a gem ... I pretty much pocket carry exclusively, given the months of 100+ days here in Texas. MY EDC is a PM9, but I love the idea of a .45 small enough to fit in my pocket and when the XDs is broken in and has proven itself with my regular carry ammo --Hornady Critical Defense standard pressure -- it's going into the rotation with the Kahr ...

Kiln
March 16, 2013, 03:12 PM
No experience with the XDs or that model of Glock. I've had both a Glock Model 22 and currently have two XDM's.

The Springfields are much nicer looking and feeling than the Glocks in my personal opinion and have better ergos. I got rid of the G22 years ago but wouldn't even consider getting rid of either of the XDM's. Like I said though I don't really know much about the compacts.

YZ
March 16, 2013, 04:55 PM
I'm looking for a 45acp. I have handled both and consider them both belt carry guns. Why should I buy the xds
I have never understood the xd line, except that somebody had to stand up to challenge Glock. It is one of many glock knockoffs, beginning but not ending with the S&W Sigma. The grip safety is a symbolic improvement, though a valid marketing proposition. Springfield, however, has shown much more flexibility than the famously aloof Glock in "listening to the customer". You want more redundant safeties? You want factory fiber optics? threaded muzzles? The XD is a great success in the consumer market. How many PD's switched? Not one vs not many. Last I checked Glock had more than half of US LE covered.

In summary, the XD may be a fine sports pistol, a hybrid clone, rightly priced just below The Glock, brought about by a US importer to capture a piece of the action on striker fired polymer framed semi autos. To me, you need a compelling reason to choose the XD. But we humans are not rational, including this writer. One more thing is the pride of ownership. Advantage: Glock.

xXxplosive
March 16, 2013, 05:01 PM
Well, I own and shoot a 30sf......this gun has been refered to as the " Pocket Freight Train" by some......although I carry mine in an IWB Comp-Tac....I can say that 10 +1 rounds of .45acp is Serious Business......that's why I don't own an XD.

It's a great handling and shootin' pistol.....extremely reliable....and alot of fire power....

Seventhsword
March 16, 2013, 05:03 PM
I've put over 2,000rds through my XDs so far. Functions flawlessly with any ammo you can get your hands on. It's also very small and much easier to carry than any of my other .45's. My wife likes it so much that I'm going to buy a second one for her.

WYO
March 16, 2013, 09:27 PM
I have them both and like them both. I would hate to have to pick one over the other. Both are very accurate. The 30SF does hide very well with the optional 9 round magazine. It all depends on how much extra “concealability” one needs versus the capacity that one gives up. The 30SF cannot fit into any of my jeans pockets under any circumstances while the XDs will, although it is not my first choice in pocket carry. One definite difference is that the XDs has been 100% reliable with everything I have fed it, but the Glock does not like 200 SWC handloads or weak ammo that feeds and functions great in the XDs. This is one of those rare questions where there really isn’t a bad choice as long as one understands the limitations of each system. (I have some 7 round magazines on order for the XDs, which could change the evalutaion, but I have no experience with them yet.)

Feanaro
March 16, 2013, 11:43 PM
One definite difference is that the XDs has been 100% reliable with everything I have fed it, but the Glock does not like 200 SWC handloads or weak ammo that feeds and functions great in the XDs.

Surely you jest. Glocks never malfunction! :evil:

But, seriously, while Glocks have a reputation for reliability, I only care that MY pistol is reliable. So far, my XDs is. It's also much better suited to my hands than the Glocks I've tried, and smaller than the Glock 36 to boot. I like the sights better. (The 36 does have one more round and is ever so slightly lighter, to be fair)

newglockguy
March 17, 2013, 01:03 AM
I like the size of the XDS but the capacity of the Glock. Pick whichever suits your needs or desires the most

Poohgyrr
March 17, 2013, 02:32 AM
I'd want to know how I shoot with both of them....

Luckily, I already know how I do with the G30; so I'd just buy it. They shoot accurate and soft. The Gen 3 30SF is supposed to handle better than the prior Gen's; and the gen 4 version is said to be better.

VAhuntr
March 17, 2013, 09:32 AM
I would have to pick the Glock 30SF or the new G30S...if it were for me. I love how the XD's feel in my hand but I just plain down right shoot Glocks better. That makes it an easy decision for me.

todd_g
March 17, 2013, 07:36 PM
I say get an XD, that way there will be one more Glock out there for someone like me who would never consider getting an XD. :neener:

Hunter991
March 17, 2013, 07:42 PM
Well I have the xds and its fantastic. Very pleased. Easier to carry than the glock 36.

powder
March 19, 2013, 12:53 AM
One is built in Croatia, the other in USA.

Advantage: Glock.

460Kodiak
March 19, 2013, 02:08 PM
I really like my little XDs. I wrote up a review.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=685730

It's a preference thing. I like the XDs better, but I don't care for GLOCKS. All I can say is the XDs shoots well, is accurate, and carries IWB very nicely. Is it better than a GLOCK? For me it is. It may not be for you. It is my daily carry now. I carry an SP101 as well at times.

jehicks87
March 20, 2013, 03:56 AM
I have and carry a glock 36. Regardless of capacity, I still always carry an extra magazine.

After shooting my buddy's XDs last summer, I was amazed. I almost traded my G36 in for one that month... but, I held off on it.

I continued to carry the G36. Though I didn't get as good of groups with my pistol as I did with the XDs, it was still plenty accurate enough, absorbed the recoil enough, and most importantly was already paid for.

Recently though, I put an XDs on order from SA. Here's why: it's simply easier to carry, and truth be told the extra magazine is waaay thinner and thus easier to carry as well. The glock magazines, even the "singe-stack" 36 magazine, are simply bulkier than they need to be. So, if you're like me, you're carrying a thicker gun *and* a thicker magazine. It all adds up. I see the XDs relegating my Glock to truck-gun status.

YZ
March 20, 2013, 08:06 PM
One is built in Croatia, the other in USA.

Advantage: Glock.
Glock says all are built in Austria. Not that anything is wrong with it. Says on every slide though.

Inebriated
March 20, 2013, 08:08 PM
Glock says all are built in Austria. Not that anything is wrong with it. Says on every slide though.

My 19 would like a word with you.
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/Name890/USA19g4_zpsfe0d1672.jpg

KTXdm9
March 20, 2013, 09:04 PM
I prefer the ergonomics and grip safety of the XDs.

YZ
March 20, 2013, 10:59 PM
My 19 would like a word with you.
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/Name890/USA19g4_zpsfe0d1672.jpg
I'll be darn. Does it necessarily mean "Made in the USA" ? Every foreign manufacturer, including Beretta and SIG Sauer, boasts its American made products. In the ads, on the web pages, in video commercials. Glock does not. It is secretive alright, but it wouldnt make any sense to conceal the existence of a full scale factory in the US. USA on the slide likely means assembled in the US from Austrian frames, slides, and barrels, with the possible exception of small parts like springs supplied from elsewhere.

Inebriated
March 20, 2013, 11:34 PM
I'll be darn. Does it necessarily mean "Made in the USA" ? Every foreign manufacturer, including Beretta and SIG Sauer, boasts its American made products. In the ads, on the web pages, in video commercials. Glock does not. It is secretive alright, but it wouldnt make any sense to conceal the existence of a full scale factory in the US. USA on the slide likely means assembled in the US from Austrian frames, slides, and barrels, with the possible exception of small parts like springs supplied from elsewhere.

The barrel, slide, and frame have Georgia proof marks, the frame also says "Made in USA", the barrel says "US", and the slide of course says "USA" on it. I would be genuinely surprised to find that this is merely assembled in the USA. From what I can tell, it is in-fact US made.

Also, Glock has had a US factory for years. They used to just manufacture for export, but recent months have shown that they've opened that up for domestic sales as well. It's not new that they make them here. It's just new that they are selling them here as well.

YZ
March 21, 2013, 09:21 AM
The barrel, slide, and frame have Georgia proof marks, the frame also says "Made in USA", the barrel says "US", and the slide of course says "USA" on it. I would be genuinely surprised to find that this is merely assembled in the USA. From what I can tell, it is in-fact US made.

Also, Glock has had a US factory for years. They used to just manufacture for export, but recent months have shown that they've opened that up for domestic sales as well. It's not new that they make them here. It's just new that they are selling them here as well.
I stand corrected. Cant argue with the proof marks. Where did you find the information on the American Glock factory? Smyrna GA is still listed by Glock as its NA address. Not a word about manufacturing. SIG stamps Exeter NH for the world to know. Beretta, Accokeek MD. Glock... What do you know

gym
March 21, 2013, 10:19 AM
I have both, had a 30 for 15 years. Get the XDS for carry, the 30 is just too heavy, unless you owb carry in a good leather holster, or krydex. The 30 will start to get heavy any other way, those 10 round mags weigh more than the gun when loaded up. The xds is able to be pocket carried, and even iwb because of the grip safety. Just throw an extended mag in your other pocket or belt.If you are going out like to miami at night for instance, take the 30, or both, if it's taking out the garbage or sitting around the yard, the XDS is perfect. I carry my XDS when working out, no one ever knows.You can run with it in either a belly band or a pocket holster like a remora, and it will stay put. I always wore a gun at the guy, weather I was the owner or a client. I believe that you can get shot anyplace, so a gun is just part of my wardrobe since forever, a good 45 years, I used to cut hair in NY for 25 years and I always had my model 60 on my ankle, "in a short boot". It was licensed, and we had robberies, and "worse", but back then there were no Small 45's, the smallest you could get was a snubbie, or a walther.
Now we have so many choices that it has become confusing. Just find which gun works best for you and stick to it, you will adapt.

Teachu2
March 21, 2013, 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YZ
I'll be darn. Does it necessarily mean "Made in the USA" ? Every foreign manufacturer, including Beretta and SIG Sauer, boasts its American made products. In the ads, on the web pages, in video commercials. Glock does not. It is secretive alright, but it wouldnt make any sense to conceal the existence of a full scale factory in the US. USA on the slide likely means assembled in the US from Austrian frames, slides, and barrels, with the possible exception of small parts like springs supplied from elsewhere.

The barrel, slide, and frame have Georgia proof marks, the frame also says "Made in USA", the barrel says "US", and the slide of course says "USA" on it. I would be genuinely surprised to find that this is merely assembled in the USA. From what I can tell, it is in-fact US made.

Also, Glock has had a US factory for years. They used to just manufacture for export, but recent months have shown that they've opened that up for domestic sales as well. It's not new that they make them here. It's just new that they are selling them here as well.
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And the CA DoJ has ruled that the US-made ones are not the same as the Austrian, and so do not make the "approved" list for sale in California.

Inebriated
March 21, 2013, 03:44 PM
I stand corrected. Cant argue with the proof marks. Where did you find the information on the American Glock factory? Smyrna GA is still listed by Glock as its NA address. Not a word about manufacturing. SIG stamps Exeter NH for the world to know. Beretta, Accokeek MD. Glock... What do you know

Yeah, it's relatively new... within the last couple years or so. My understanding was they were only doing it to export to countries that Austria couldn't export to, but then within the last 5 or 6 months, I've seen a good number of US-made Glocks being sold here. So... who knows? I can't tell any quality difference between this and my Austrian Glocks... but "USA" sure is prettier than "Austria".

And the CA DoJ has ruled that the US-made ones are not the same as the Austrian, and so do not make the "approved" list for sale in California.

I've heard they still haven't approved the Gen 4's either? Why would they allow Gen 3's but not Gen 4's? Is it the new assault style mag release, texture, grip, and recoil spring? :D

YZ
March 21, 2013, 11:33 PM
Yeah, it's relatively new... within the last couple years or so. My understanding was they were only doing it to export to countries that Austria couldn't export to, but then within the last 5 or 6 months, I've seen a good number of US-made Glocks being sold here. So... who knows? I can't tell any quality difference between this and my Austrian Glocks... but "USA" sure is prettier than "Austria".



I've heard they still haven't approved the Gen 4's either? Why would they allow Gen 3's but not Gen 4's? Is it the new assault style mag release, texture, grip, and recoil spring? :D
Isn't it funny, a Glock manufacturing plant in America that the company won't even mention to the piblic? Except now there is evidence of its existence?
They can do what they want. Their product, like it or not, is genius.

Teachu2
March 21, 2013, 11:50 PM
The Austrian Gen3s made the CA list before they started requiring an external safety and magazine disconnect, so they got grandfathered as long as Glock renews the listing every two years. Gen4s came out after the new requirements, and have never been submitted. The USA-made guns are considered new models (even different finishes are new models) and won't pass the current requirements. Glock has stated that they will not design new models to meet CA requirements, so we are limited to Austrian Gen3s - and it appears that Glock may quit importing those.

To further complicate the situation, LEOs are exempt if their agency will claim they are buying it for duty use. They can then sell used off-list guns to the public. And there is a Single Shot Exemption - a gun that isn't listed can still be imported and sold if modified with a long barrel and a conversion to a single round capacity....but it doesn't have to STAY a long-barreled single shot once the sale is complete.....

YZ
March 22, 2013, 10:11 AM
Teachu
Do you mean manual external safety is required in CA? No blanking ruger LCP there? Is the XD kosher for its token grip safety?

mnhntr
March 22, 2013, 11:15 AM
I have never shot the 30SF but I have shot the 36 and I like the XDS better.

Teachu2
March 22, 2013, 02:00 PM
The 30 and the 36 are two very different guns. I own both.

Teachu2
March 22, 2013, 02:02 PM
Teachu
Do you mean manual external safety is required in CA? No blanking ruger LCP there? Is the XD kosher for its token grip safety?
No LCP. Here's the list: http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

jimbo555
March 28, 2013, 04:48 PM
I spent 3 hours at my lgs and decided to buy the xds. I picked it for the thinness and lighter weight. It also fit into holsters I already had,saving me cash. Luckily I have some 45acp and put 50 trouble free rounds thru it to test.No 45acp ammo for sale around here! Thanks for the input and reviews.

Soldiernurse
March 28, 2013, 07:01 PM
I spent 3 hours at my lgs and decided to buy the xds. I picked it for the thinness and lighter weight. It also fit into holsters I already had,saving me cash. Luckily I have some 45acp and put 50 trouble free rounds thru it to test.No 45acp ammo for sale around here! Thanks for the input and reviews.
I'd imagine the XDs will have a much more pronounced kick than the 30SF? The 30SF is capable of higher mag cap, i.e. using G21 13rd mag. Yet, really like my XD40sc but love my G4G30, which is very OWB doable.

BTW, a better comparison would be the G36 & XDs, JMO.

Old judge creek
March 28, 2013, 08:27 PM
Three or four years ago I had to make the same choice. I chose the Glock 30SF and now, a few years later, I couldn't be more pleased with my choice.

I'd choose the Glock again without hesitation.

LUCKYDAWG13
March 28, 2013, 09:41 PM
im in the XDs camp mine eats all my cast bullets just fine

YZ
March 28, 2013, 11:58 PM
im in the XDs camp mine eats all my cast bullets just fine
Dawg.
Glock barrels have polygonal rifling. That's hardly a shortcoming. But if you want to shoot handloads, you are right to be looking elsewhere.

LUCKYDAWG13
March 29, 2013, 09:39 AM
i know that the Glocks have a polygonal rifling and that they dont
do well with cast bullets.. this was one of the mane reasons l went
with the XDs. when i was looking fo a CC pistol. i looked at Glock
first i like the fact that there is after market Barrels and magazine
and all i here about them is how well they shoot. but i didnt want
to buy a new barrel to shoot reloads out of.then i looked at the
Kar Solo wow is that nice pistol.but its just supposed to just like
high dollar ammo. i shoot the snot out of my XDs with my reloads
so far it eats all i feed it. and it shoots great

Bill4282
March 29, 2013, 01:26 PM
As for safeties, I look at it this way - Glock same as a revolver, XDs same as 1911s. Keep the boogerpicker off the trigger and Glock wins. Don't want to fool with buttons or switches when adrenalin is pumping.

LUCKYDAWG13
March 29, 2013, 08:04 PM
no its not like a 1911 no hammer on the XDs no safety lever just a grip safety
no cock and lock

G'dale Mike
March 29, 2013, 09:22 PM
I wanted a knock around pistol for my carry gun when i was doing chores in my kennels and running hogs with dogs. Lgs always had xd's on special,,,399$, ( wish I'd bought 10 of them). Picked up a compact, in 40 cal, just cuz i had left over ammo from a firestar i once owned. I havent put many rounds through it, but every time i need it, it shoots. It rides in a hard molded plastic holster outside my pants, gets banged, bumped and wet. My place is basicly 50 acres of sandstone so it stays gritty. But it'll drop a hog like nobody's business. Easy, natural point and shoot, falls right back on target. Havent had any glock experiences, but have always shy'ed away from them, just around where i live, over the years, too many accidental discharges. Aint trying to dis the Glock, but that's just my experience. And the xd is usually cheaper, ( but not 399$ anymore)

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