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silicosys4
March 15, 2013, 08:30 PM
Hi,
So a friend calls me the other night and says he has a bunch of "9mm" ammo for sale, he just wants to get rid of it for the first hundred dollar bill that came along,
So I hustled over there and lo and behold, he had 1700 rounds of 9x18
So I put a hundred dollar bill in his hand and walked away with all of it,
Problem.....
I have no gun chambered in 9x18 makarov. I'm just addicted to ammo.
So now I'm sitting on enough ammo to make me consider buying one.
What would you do?
Trade or sell the ammo, or buy a gun?
and if you were to by a gun, which one specifically, that is chambered for 9x18?

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Ohio Gun Guy
March 15, 2013, 08:35 PM
I have a PA63 and would buy another if I found one....

Lots of people like the Russian Makarov, reliable, very good little guns.

GOOD FIND.

bigfatdave
March 15, 2013, 08:37 PM
I like my CZ vz 82 quite a bit - it is about the nicest $200 gun I can imagine.

481
March 15, 2013, 08:38 PM
If I had the money to buy 1700 rounds of ammo, I've probably got enough to buy the gun, too.

Reselling the ammo might get you more than your initial invest or it may not.

It's kind of hard to imagine the rationale for buying ammo if you didn't have the gun in the first place and don't intend to buy it now.

waidmann
March 15, 2013, 08:40 PM
P 64 for right handed single stacked smallish. The Vz 82 for double stacked and a true ambi. Both are great.

Quiet
March 15, 2013, 08:43 PM
Another vote for the Vz-82 (CZ-82).

silicosys4
March 15, 2013, 08:43 PM
Reselling the ammo might get you more than your initial invest or it may not.

It's kind of hard to imagine the rationale for buying ammo if you didn't have the gun in the first place and don't intend to buy it now.

The rational at the time was....1700 rounds of centerfire ammo
for a $100 bill...shucks, thats almost decent rimfire prices. I lost self control at that point, lol...just me getting my "hoarding" on
anyone want to trade some 9x18 ammo for a gun that shoots 9x18 ammo? lol

helitack32f1
March 15, 2013, 08:53 PM
I'd say Makarov. One of the best little pistols I have owned and still regret selling it, as I do most of the guns I have sold.

Ohio Gun Guy
March 15, 2013, 08:54 PM
I think they are just busting your chops.... I doubt Anyone on this board wound not buy 1700 rounds of a pretty popular round for 100 dollars, esp. now.

I'm calling shenanigans.

dusty14u
March 15, 2013, 09:21 PM
My PA63 has been a great.performer. I replaced the springs and grips and it looks worth 3xs what I paid for it.

s12.aaxtell
March 15, 2013, 09:22 PM
my vote is makarov. I use it for CC and it has been 100% reliable. Just curious, what brand of ammo is it?

MCgunner
March 15, 2013, 09:22 PM
I'd just shoot it up in my Radom P64. :D

silicosys4
March 15, 2013, 09:33 PM
my vote is makarov. I use it for CC and it has been 100% reliable. Just curious, what brand of ammo is it?

Just your basic wolf steel case FMJ.

Gordon
March 15, 2013, 09:36 PM
I like Makarovs, East German first and these 2nd. The German ones cost more. The guns are all steel, and you have a lot of ammo!;)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=332504827

Deaf Smith
March 15, 2013, 10:02 PM
I'd sell the ammo since it is 9x18.

In fact just send the ammo to me and I'll send you $110 bucks!

Deaf

wally
March 15, 2013, 10:35 PM
Another vote for the CZ82.

Makarovs are nice but CZ82 are better shooters with better triggers and cost significantly less.

Good luck finding an E German Makarov for a reasonable price!

1700 rounds of 9x19 will set up back at least $340 in todays market, if you could find it, so what you've got in the ammo and a CZ82 would be about $40-50 less for lots of fun shooting and you could resell the gun when you're through :)

Sistema1927
March 15, 2013, 10:40 PM
CZ82 or Makarov, you can't go wrong with either one.

bannockburn
March 16, 2013, 12:49 AM
I would probably buy a Makarov. My brother has an East German model and I was very impressed with the quality and overall fit and finish of the gun.

TennJed
March 16, 2013, 02:53 AM
If I had the money to buy 1700 rounds of ammo, I've probably got enough to buy the gun, too.

Reselling the ammo might get you more than your initial invest or it may not.

It's kind of hard to imagine the rationale for buying ammo if you didn't have the gun in the first place and don't intend to buy it now.
I am rational and I do not have a 9x18 gun, but I would buy 1700 rounds for $100 in a heartbeat. A person would be foolish not to. less the $.06 a round!! Heck I will give him more than $100 right now. I reload and I can't get my reloads down that cheap.

I would buy a gun though. You can find any number of good 9x18 guns for pretty cheap. I own a Mak and CZ83 (both in 380) and they are both great guns. I would give a slight edge to the CZ83 (or CZ82 in the case)

PabloJ
March 16, 2013, 02:57 AM
Sell the ammo and add the funds toward a better firearm.

JoePfeiffer
March 16, 2013, 03:14 AM
I don't know if it's the "best", but a CZ 82 would be an excellent choice.

Shadow 7D
March 16, 2013, 03:26 AM
Makarov or Cz. 82
the PA-63 is Alunimum, and was sold with Czech VZ-82 ammo (sintered iron, about 20%faster).... the P-64 is a handful, a SMALL handful but still not the most pleasant pistol either....82 is a dream at the range and VERY accurate

jakk280rem
March 16, 2013, 04:57 AM
Neither. It's money in the bank. Even at $.10 a round you can almost double your money. I would hold on to it and trade it for ammo I needed.

hAkron
March 16, 2013, 05:24 AM
Another vote for the CZ 82

plateshooter
March 16, 2013, 05:35 AM
Makarov for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAEbbhRJNYw

mgmorden
March 16, 2013, 09:43 AM
I've only shot the CZ-82 and the actual Makarov. Between those two I'd give a slight edge to the CZ-82, but the Makarov ain't a bad gun either. The CZ just takes the lead by virtue of holding more rounds and having a the more modern mag release.

Roadking Rider
March 16, 2013, 10:02 AM
My 1987 CZ82 is unquestionably the best $200 I ever spent on a pistol. I can't speak for the Mak's,but I've heard there good also, but man I love that little CZ.

wlewisiii
March 16, 2013, 11:52 AM
I'd probably sell or trade the ammo for something more immediately useful to me (and chose such above) but if I found a CZ82 at a good price I could go that route instead.

MachIVshooter
March 16, 2013, 11:55 AM
CZ-82

il.bill
March 16, 2013, 12:09 PM
The CZ82 has easily been the best 'bang for the buck' firearm I have found over the last year.

Just for context in ammo prices, I was happy to pay $365.65 last month for 1500 rounds of Russian steel case Berdan primed FMJ 9x18MM Makarov cartridges delivered to my front door. That 24.4 cents per round OTD price is the best I have found since last summer, and it is very difficult to find anything less than $0.40 per round today.

OldMac
March 16, 2013, 12:26 PM
Makarov for a collector but CZ82 for a shooter. The maks are nicer, indestructible, and cost twice as much. The CZ82 is ambidextrous, modern, double stack, half the cost, but the flaking paint looks bad. You can swap the mak barrel to shoot 380 acp and use the same mags, spring, slide etc so you have more possibilities of finding ammo for it if things get tough(er).

Furncliff
March 16, 2013, 12:37 PM
You owe it to yourself to try the Makarov or the CZ82. My choice was CZ. Very good trigger, inexpensive, accurate with cheap Russian ammo. Being a bit heavier than others of this caliber makes it fun to shoot. CZUSA in Kansas City is there for you should you need work done on it.

The Makarov might make a better choice (size and shape) if you carry.

mavracer
March 16, 2013, 01:35 PM
I have a CZ82 and a Russian Commercial Mak. I'd say the CZ is a hair better for a shooter but I'd be hard pressed to not suggest the oriiginal Mak if a guy was only gonna have one 9X18. If you're anywhere near Wichita you bring ammo I'll bring the guns and we'll shoot em a bit and help you decide.

Cee Zee
March 16, 2013, 03:38 PM
Buy yourself a CZ-82 and count your blessings. For just over $300 you'll have a dang nice pistol and a bunch of ammo for it.

Pilot
March 16, 2013, 03:56 PM
Original Makarov. Simple, accurate, easier to carry than the CZ-82. Much fewer parts to break, and Makarovs rarely break anything anyway.

Kiln
March 16, 2013, 04:00 PM
The guns that are chambered in 9x18 are generally so cheap that you might as well buy one. The PA63 is under $200, the Polish P64 is usually under $200, the Mak clones are usually $350 or lower.

Snowdog
March 16, 2013, 11:23 PM
I think you'll be quite happy with either a Makarov or Cz-82. They are great range pistols as well as defensive arms.

I love my P64 as well as they are accurate and well-made, but I don't exactly enjoy shooting it much.

M2 Carbine
March 16, 2013, 11:35 PM
I've got them all.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/9x18pistols.jpg

I rate them, Makarov 1st.
CZ 83 then the used CZ82.

PA63 and P64 down a bit both in third place.

5-SHOTS
March 17, 2013, 02:43 PM
Get a Makarov or a CZ 82 and have some cheap FUN!

OilyPablo
March 17, 2013, 03:02 PM
CZ82 or Makarov, you can't go wrong with either one.

This. And either can be had for $300 or less. So for $400 you'll be plinking into the spring. Hard to beat that, IMHO.

Way to go is all I will add.

Girodin
March 17, 2013, 11:49 PM
CZ 82, then various Makarovs, then everything else.

Robbins290
March 19, 2013, 05:35 AM
Pretty much all the surplus pistol I came across have been very good. But I would recommend a makarov. The few I have are very accurate. I'd say handle them, you might like one more then the other

Hurryin' Hoosier
March 19, 2013, 07:54 AM
Hi,
So a friend calls me the other night and says he has a bunch of "9mm" ammo for sale, he just wants to get rid of it for the first hundred dollar bill that came along,
So I hustled over there and lo and behold, he had 1700 rounds of 9x18
So I put a hundred dollar bill in his hand and walked away with all of it,
Problem.....
I have no gun chambered in 9x18 makarov. I'm just addicted to ammo.
So now I'm sitting on enough ammo to make me consider buying one.
What would you do?
Trade or sell the ammo, or buy a gun?
and if you were to by a gun, which one specifically, that is chambered for 9x18?
The original - the Pistolet Makarova - Soviet, East German, Bulgarian, or ChiCom - the true "Makarov".

4season
March 19, 2013, 08:58 AM
I've got them all.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/9x18pistols.jpg

I rate them, Makarov 1st.
CZ 83 then the used CZ82.

PA63 and P64 down a bit both in third place.
Wow, I am jealous.

I would have to say the best gun to shoot 9mm Mak is the gun that was designed with the ammo and that would be the Makarov. The CZ 82 is a good gun too but you won't like the recoil of the PA63. The CZ 83 is actually a 380 and some of the Makarovs are 380s as well.

Mayvik
March 19, 2013, 09:09 AM
The 82 is a lot of gun for $250, and if you don't mind a refinish you can turn them into something awfully pretty, too. The Polish P64s were a screaming deal when they were $150 a year ago and carry like a dream, but now that prices have gone up unless you really want a super small single stack, the 82 is the way to go. My FEG is one of the weirdo versions in 9x17 and it shoots wonderfully, but many people can't get over the grip frame and the recoil/flip in 9x18 due to the alloy frame.

Guy de Loimbard
March 19, 2013, 10:39 AM
I own both a P-64 and CZ-82. I have never owned or shot a Makarov or any other 9x18 pistols. That said, if someone offered me 1700 rounds of 9x18 for $100 I would be all over that like flies on a poop.

Buy anything chambered in 9x18 and you'll be good to go.

golden
March 19, 2013, 04:43 PM
I like the CZ pistols. The CZ 82 is a bargain with good everything, sights, trigger and shooting characteristics.

My only real criticism is the lack of a hammer dropping safety.

Jim

CZguy
March 19, 2013, 06:16 PM
My only real criticism is the lack of a hammer dropping safety.

Just for clarity, do you mean a de-cocker? Like on a PO1?

jehicks87
March 20, 2013, 03:47 AM
I'd have bought the ammo for twice the price, and then bought a CZ-82. ;)

hAkron
March 20, 2013, 06:47 AM
I like the CZ pistols. The CZ 82 is a bargain with good everything, sights, trigger and shooting characteristics.

My only real criticism is the lack of a hammer dropping safety.

Jim

CZ takes the 'cocked and locked' approach

Shadow 7D
March 20, 2013, 06:59 AM
I like the CZ pistols. The CZ 82 is a bargain with good everything, sights, trigger and shooting characteristics.

My only real criticism is the lack of a hammer dropping safety.

Jim
Um, decocker???
while the 82 may lack a decocker (what I think you are referring to)
it MOST DEFIANTLY has a hammer BLOCK safety, the trick to safely decocking the 82 is to RELEASE the trigger then lower the hammer, the safety is connected to the trigger, and ONLY lowers (stops blocking the hammer) when the trigger is fully pulled.
now a common problem is that the hammer block safety is sprung by the OTHER end of the sear spring, and if that spring is off one or the other, the gun has all sorts of problems.

bigfatdave
March 20, 2013, 07:22 AM
I like the CZ pistols. The CZ 82 is a bargain with good everything, sights, trigger and shooting characteristics.

My only real criticism is the lack of a hammer dropping safety.

I view that as a feature, not a problem.

timd
March 23, 2013, 10:41 PM
Cz 82.

rgwalt
March 23, 2013, 10:54 PM
I would first try to find a local buyer who would be interested in the ammo. Sure, it was crazy cheap, but that is a sunk cost at this point. Now you are debating spending $300+ on a pistol (I would also vote for the CZ82) in order to shoot the ammo you bought, when originally you hadn't given any thought to picking up a 9x18 pistol. Turn you $100 into $150-$200, and buy your buddy a six pack.

This being said, if you are at all interested in getting into owning & shooting 9x18, you have an excellent opportunity. The nice thing is that the ammo supply is insulated from demand spikes like we are experiencing now. The downside is that you can't necessarily walk into your local sporting goods or gun store and pick up a box of 9x18. For example, I've not seen it sold at WalMart, Academy, Bass Pro, Gander Mountain, etc. Before you take the plunge and buy a gun to shoot the ammo you bought, you might want to check around and see what it will cost to feed once you've gone through all your cheap ammo, and how difficult it will be to get ahold of.

marksg
March 23, 2013, 11:46 PM
The way ammo is right now, might be hard to feed a new gun.

If it were brass case and i reloaded,I'd buy the gun.

Since it is steel case, i would sell it or trade it instead of buying the gun.

But that's just me.

alex4922
March 25, 2013, 09:17 PM
I have had several Makarovs and the E Germans really are well done. I had one engraved for my sweetey and she truly treasures it.

My go to light weather CCW is the P63? ("Polish Makarov") which with Wolf springs is probably all I'll ever need to get the ell out of Dodge. Very dependable and as accurate as needed.

My CZ 82 is kind of the ugly duckling of the three but for a smoothbore (kidding) it shoots really well. Thirteen rounds of Hornady JHP can definately be bad luck for the bad guy.

You got a great deal...enjoy. A

silicosys4
March 26, 2013, 01:45 PM
Thanks, everyone for all the good advice,
I decided to pick up a polish p64, and a set of wolff springs,
and a cz-82.
I look forward to wringing them out.

mavracer
March 26, 2013, 02:06 PM
You'll enjoy them the P64 isn't bad with a spring kit and the 82 is a awesome gun for the money just don't freak out the rifeling is suppoded to look like that lol.

hAkron
March 26, 2013, 07:40 PM
A few years ago I bought a Makarov because it was cheap. That lead me to buy a CZ 82, which lead to a CZ 75, which lead to a LOT more CZ's and CZ clones, which lead to Dan Wesson revolvers(currently owned by CZ), which lead to a bunch of Smith & Wesson revolvers (Dan Wesson's great grand daddy), which is currently leading me to S&W 3rd gen autos...so the obvious shortcut would be to sell the ammo and buy a 4506. :)

toivo
March 26, 2013, 08:44 PM
CZ-82, by all means. If you really can't live without a decocker, then Makarov.

Lj1941
March 26, 2013, 11:57 PM
The CZ 82 is with out a doubt the best buy out there.I am really sorry that I didn't buy more than one. Mine is the most accurate handgun that I own.I have two M&Ps and a Combat Magnum that are good and more powerful but that CZ 82 with its double stack mag with 95GrHPs makes me sure that I can handle whatever comes up.:cuss:

OilyPablo
March 27, 2013, 06:40 AM
I just bought a Bulgarian Mak, I have not shot it yet, but fit, finish, design and hand feel so far I still like my two CZ-82's better.

returningfire
March 27, 2013, 08:16 AM
Two best ones, CZ82 and the P64. Either one will light your fire.

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