First Time Post and New Collection Caliber Suggestions!


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js8588
March 15, 2013, 11:18 PM
It's an honour to post at THR after being a reader for nearly 2 years. I am putting together a collection (proud and responsible owner of 8 guns so far) for "homeland security", hunting, and just "for-fun" purposes. My full "wish list" of calibres is as follows:

Shotgun-
12 Gauge
.410 Bore

Handgun/Levergun
454
45 Colt
45 ACP
357 Mag
10mm
7.62 Nagant
7.62 X 25
9mm
22LR/22WMR

Rifles-
50 BMG
458 Win Mag
9.3 X 62
300 Win Mag
30-06
.308
270 Win
8mmJS
7.62 X 54R
6.5 X 55 SE
7.62 X 39
30-30
.223 Rem
204 Ruger
17HMR

This is going to be a 5 year/$50k+- project (assuming King Barack doesn't succeed in outlawing some of the more fun toys on my "to-buy" list). I know there are lots of these Must Have posts but, just wanted to see if there's anything I'm missing.

I have my CCW permit and my Curio and Relic collectors licence. Always been a big firearms enthusiast thanks to my grandfather who served in WWII and served as police chief in coal country PA upon his return. Sadly, I was raised by antis and it's only at this point in my adulthood that I'm getting back into the sport and am able to afford a full fledged collection!

Looking forward to many informative chats here at THR!

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230RN
March 16, 2013, 03:40 AM
Quite a range there. Should cover every land critter on the planet. Do you have a preference for type of actions for the shotguns? Do you intend to reload for any of those?

js8588
March 16, 2013, 04:27 AM
230 RN,

That's the general idea!

Have a side by side in mind for both the 410 and 12 gauge as well as an AK based Semi auto (already have a 308 Super Vepr and a Vepr I in 7.62 X 54R so, I'm sticking with that platform).

Love the look of the new CZ HCP 12 gauge pump. If/when I find one available, it'll be coming home with me. CZs just so addicting.

I don't reload -yet- but I will be. Really want to be able to take advantage of the full potential of the 9.3 X 62, 8mm, and 6.5 SE.

Prophet
March 16, 2013, 04:50 AM
Welcome to THR! Smart move on the 7.62x54r semi-auto, given current events. Just remember going down the road that any firearm you have is only worth the ammunition you have stockpiled for it! I love my .410 SxS, it's probably the most practical and definitely the most used firearm I own. I intended to sell it as soon as I got it but fell in love after snagging a couple of rabbits with it.

Good luck on your shooting endeavors!

c4v3man
March 16, 2013, 06:08 AM
You only have .22lr listed under levergun/handgun. IMO, it should be under "Rifles" as well... hard to have a "complete" collection without at least 1 Ruger 10/22 in it. And I personally have a fondness for pump action .22lr rifles as opposed to lever action... My father has told me stories about how they were previously used at carnivals in shooting galleries, so that's fun to recreate on the range...

Good luck with your collection.

js8588
March 16, 2013, 12:49 PM
The plan for the 22lr is to pick up the 22lr/22mag Rossi Circuit Judge. I love the 45/410 version I have now.

Those who knock its accuracy simply haven't tried it.

c1ogden
March 16, 2013, 10:28 PM
You have good choices and a wide variety of calibers there. I went the other way, using very few calibers.

I do own a 30-30, a 5.56mm, and a .45acp but I also have dozens of others that will all shoot
12ga,
20ga,
38/357,
9mm,
or .22LR.
More than 90% of my guns can be fed by one of those 5 calibers and that makes keeping the right ammo on hand pretty easy.

Note that I do not hunt so I don't need a specific power level for a particular game animal, I buy guns I like and shoot them for fun. I like lever guns and I do own one in 30-30 (I couldn't resist tradition) but I mostly shoot the .357 and .22 versions because of ammo cost and availability.

I chose 9mm and 38/357 for my handguns (and .22 of course) because they were the most common and least expensive centerfire calibers which means more shooting per ammo dollar.

One note on your shotgun choices - I had intended to buy .410s for my daughters when they were younger but when I noticed that .410 ammo cost almost 3 times as much as 20ga I waited a few years untill they grew a bit more and went with the 20s. I don't know if that price disparity still exists or if it matters to you.

Good luck with your collection!

js8588
March 16, 2013, 11:45 PM
Thanks for all the great input so far! Yeah, I'm going the "prepared for all situations" route. I thought I'd post here to see if anyone had a pet favourite calibre that I might be neglecting.

Nico Testosteros
March 17, 2013, 12:08 AM
Favourite calibre?
You sure your grandfather was from PA? You display an interesting familiarity with the proper spelling of those words, mate.

Grassman
March 17, 2013, 12:16 AM
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Grassman
March 17, 2013, 12:19 AM
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js8588
March 17, 2013, 01:05 AM
Was wondering how long it would take someone to comment on that. Personal quirk/preference for British spelling on words like that. Then, I like hogsback stocks too. 100 percent Pennsylvanian born and bred! Did do a lot of traveling during the summer with my parents when I was growning up. Maybe that's where I got it.

Grassman
March 17, 2013, 01:18 AM
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js8588
March 17, 2013, 01:25 AM
No way I can force you to, Grassman. Suppose I'll just have to win your trust in due time,

230RN
March 17, 2013, 10:06 AM
Favourite calibre?
You sure your grandfather was from PA? You display an interesting familiarity with the proper spelling of those words, mate.

Well, "licence": threw me a little, too, but I myself bounce back and forth between GB spelling and Colonial spelling, so I let it go.

I knew some people originally from Canada (and one from the Upper Peninsula) who consistently "mispelled" a lot of words.

For myself, I figure I'd trust anybody until they cross me, then it's "kitty bar the door" after that.

Soooo, js8588, proceed, and bear in mind that some of us are a little suspicious of what are called "trolls" since we've been burned before.

On topic: Probably my favourite all around calibre ( :neener: ) used to be the .243 Winchester because as I got older, I got more recoil-sensitive. Nowadays, I'm more into defencive handgun shooting, and I run around town with a Smith J-frame Airweight in .38 SPL with a laser sight on it in my pocket. I'm not as "tactical" as some, so that suffices for my everyday needs, though I still like making 1/2" holes with my 1911 on the rare occasions that I get to the range nowadays.

Terry, 230RN

OilyPablo
March 17, 2013, 10:31 AM
I won't make fun of your improper spelling.

Your list is fine. I've got many of the same. I would just add that using an AR-15 platform has opened my eyes to many equally fun calibers. Get a nice lower (or full 5.56x45) such as Daniel Defense, etc, then you can get the uppers. 6.8SPC, 6.5Grendal, .300, .458Socom, 9mm - heck 7.62x25, 10mm. These are more fun than a barrel of Scots.

js8588
March 17, 2013, 02:38 PM
I frequent several political blogs and I'm quite familiar with trolls.

Licence was just a typo/misspelling! I grew up with spellcheck and it's ruined us all.

I have a pretty thick skin so, no hard feelings. Thanks for a (mostly) warm welcome!

mr.trooper
March 17, 2013, 06:25 PM
Your never going to be able to feed all those mouths.

Akita1
March 17, 2013, 06:32 PM
I won't make fun of your improper spelling.

Your list is fine. I've got many of the same. I would just add that using an AR-15 platform has opened my eyes to many equally fun calibers. Get a nice lower (or full 5.56x45) such as Daniel Defense, etc, then you can get the uppers. 6.8SPC, 6.5Grendal, .300, .458Socom, 9mm - heck 7.62x25, 10mm. These are more fun than a barrel of Scots.
+1; been doing the same, especially with the 6.8mm and 300 uppers. Have even gotten to the point of having a dedicated lower for each. Have a lower in search of a 7.62 x 39 upper but no joy thus far. Would also add .40 to the handgun list, but otherwise that's an impressive goal.

Which 8 do you have so far?

js8588
March 17, 2013, 08:08 PM
"Your never going to be able to feed all those mouths."

Some will end up being safe queens with just enough ammo to sight in and take out for an occasional hunt.

"Which 8 do you have so far"

Rossi Circuit Judge- 45 Colt/410
VZ 24 8mm
VZ 22 8mm
91/30 Mosin Nagant
VEPR I 7.62 X 54r
Super Vepr 308
Russian SKS
CZ 82 (will be selling/trading for a Polish Tokarev)

Next to go on layaway will be a CZ 550 in 30-06.

js8588
March 17, 2013, 08:13 PM
As to adding a 40SW to the handgun list, will just get 40 and 357 Sig barrels for the 10mm. Not that any 10mm Glocks are to be found right now thanks to our Marxist-in-Chief

OilyPablo
March 17, 2013, 08:28 PM
Keep the CZ-82 and just get a Tokarev! :D IMHO.

js8588
March 17, 2013, 08:33 PM
I love my CZ 82. Accurate enough, even with steel case, to be a threat to bowling pins at 15 yards, small enough to be my carry gun but made out of solid steel.

I don't love 9mm Makarov. Just not enough punch for a defensive round (sorry if I'm offending the 380 fans! If it works for you, keep it).

Not a caliber (happy, THR?! Lol) with a purpose that I can justify.

bpl
March 17, 2013, 09:12 PM
Were it me, I'd make my near term purchases potential ban items. AR-15, AK, standard capacity/full capacity pistols and magazines for them.

HKGuns
March 17, 2013, 09:16 PM
Welcome to the forum. It matters not to me where you are from, that is quite an extensive list you have there. I might add a .338 Win Mag.

js8588
March 17, 2013, 09:19 PM
I'm fairly sanguine on the ban prospects. I just don't see it happening, at least not til after the 2014 elections. I believe enough of Team R will hold fast in the House and Senate to prevent a semi auto ban. Redistricting should give us enough of a cushion for the next decade or so, hence the "5 year" plan.

js8588
March 17, 2013, 09:21 PM
HK Guns,

I researched 338. Didn't seem to have as flat or far a trajectory as 300 Win Mag outside of 300 yards and it doesn't do anything 9.3 X 62 can't do inside that range. Am I wrong?

CountryUgly
March 17, 2013, 09:34 PM
I'll have to second adding a .338 win mag. What it does better than the .300win mag past 300 yards is retention of energy. It hits as hard at 500 yards as the .300 at the muzzle. With the proper bullet/load it's more than effective and accurate out to 1200 yards or so. The difference in recoil between the 2 is really minimal too. A 250gr SMK and a healthy dose of IMR4350 or Retumbo will stop any game in North America and truck in a pinch :-)

parker51
March 17, 2013, 10:09 PM
Only gun I would add to your list is a 7.5x55 Swiss (either 1911 or K-31, depending on how old you prefer as they both shoot great).

js8588
March 17, 2013, 10:53 PM
I've considered 7.5 Swiss as well as 7mm mauser...and am still strongly tempted by both.

HKGuns
March 18, 2013, 12:53 AM
I researched 338. Didn't seem to have as flat or far a trajectory as 300 Win Mag outside of 300 yards and it doesn't do anything 9.3 X 62 can't do inside that range. Am I wrong?

I suppose it all depends on what you intend to do with it and at what range you intend to do it.

At 500 yards a 180gr 300WM drops ~49" and has 1184 ft-lb's of energy. At 500 yards a 225gr 338WM drops ~46" and has 1928 ft-lb's of energy, a considerable difference. These are both loadings you can buy over the counter.....I've not yet reloaded either of these rounds but would expect the advantage to the .338 only increases with select hand loadings.

At least in the US the number of commercial loads for both of these rounds beat the 9.3x62 by a very wide margin, so it is beaten by both of the above in flexibility of ammo selection. As a comparison a 232gr 9.3x62 round drops 80" at 500 yards and retains only 643 ft-lb's of energy. - Kind of anemic in comparison.

I had to bust out the ballistics software to run some numbers, I don't have this stuff memorized, especially a primarily EU cartridge that you put forward as a comparator. I shoot 180gr 300WM and 225gr 338WM. Never shot the other so I picked one as close as possible to the 225gr 338WM.

js8588
March 18, 2013, 01:04 AM
300 win mag will be intended as an elk rifle here in the states and a light plains game rifle when I get the opportunity to go back to Africa. First time I went was just to look at the animals and take their picture. Next time...Springbok and Ostrich are mighty tasty!

Also looking at the Savage tactical set up (110BA) for homeland security purposes.

js8588
March 18, 2013, 01:06 AM
Thanks for running the numbers. I'll have to take a closer look!

230RN
March 18, 2013, 08:21 PM
Shotgun-
12 Gauge
.410 Bore

Handgun/Levergun
454
45 Colt
45 ACP
357 Mag
10mm
7.62 Nagant
7.62 X 25
9mm
22LR/22WMR

Rifles-
50 BMG
458 Win Mag
9.3 X 62
300 Win Mag
30-06
.308
270 Win
8mmJS
7.62 X 54R
6.5 X 55 SE
7.62 X 39
30-30
.223 Rem
204 Ruger
17HMR


You don't suppose you'd like to adopt me, maybe? Or do you have sister I could marry? Or maybe you have a barn I could live in?

Terry

js8588
March 18, 2013, 09:03 PM
Heh the only sister I'd suggest marrying has a husband that could likely kick your @$$.

I'm not rich (well, my parents are but...) but I am methodical, hardworking, and have a highly developed (Prussian) sense of order.

5 year plan takes into account current income with future expected income. Anyway, thanks once again for the advice and (mostly) warm welcome.

Looks like Grassman took back his accusations of trolldom. We're all permitted to be wrong :)

230RN
March 19, 2013, 01:43 AM
"Looks like Grassman took back his accusations of trolldom. We're all permitted to be wrong "

It sort of takes away the attempted humor of my remarks, don't it? Now I look like an ass.

Not the first time, not the last, I'm sure.

The least he could have done was just use the strikeout function.

Terry. 230RN

BigBore44
March 19, 2013, 06:56 AM
If you don't include some classics like the 44mag and 45-70, I truely believe you are missing out. Especially if you reload. I would seriously consider an old sharps or lever gun in 45/70. I know I'm partial to big bore (as you can see from my handle) but I have yet to take someone shooting and let them shoot my stainless SBH 7.5 44 mag or my 1895 in 45/70 and not have a big smile show up on their face. But I also don't have "safe queens". My guns shoot. All of them.

The SBH and 1895 are going to be on my hip and shoulder in less than 2 hours for a walkabout through hog country :)

js8588
April 30, 2013, 07:36 AM
To those who suggested 338wm be added to the list, after much thought and deliberation, I'm adding 325wsm. Yeah, I know, 8mm isn't as common and it doesn't hit QUITE as hard as a 338 but it's an itch I decided needed to be scratched (kind of like 9.3 X 62).

I will be handloading so even if it goes under as a calibre, I'm still going to be able to get ammo for it.

The platform will be a Browning X-Bolt White Gold Medallion. Don't forsee needing more than one quality rifle for 325 wsm and I like the stock design in both look and fit/feel.

It's on the next-year-purchase list.

What am I buying this year? I'll let you know as I pay for them (2 on layaway at the moment)

baz
April 30, 2013, 10:38 AM
Good luck to you. Enjoyed reading of your plans, and the comments. My aims -- and means! -- are much more modest, but but if I had the means, I'm sure I'd expand my caliber footprint a bit more also. Have fun. Does $50k include safes for all those guns? ;)

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