Blanket Parking Lot Law


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AlbertH
March 16, 2013, 10:31 AM
Does your state have a blanket parking lot law so you an lock your gun in your vehicle while visiting "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED" establishments?

If yes, please provide name of state.

If no, please provide name of state

If I don't know. What you do about that is up to you

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jimmyraythomason
March 16, 2013, 11:52 AM
No such law in Alabama. We are working toward one though.

hso
March 16, 2013, 01:03 PM
TN just passed such a law and it is headed to the Governor's desk.

moharrow
March 16, 2013, 01:17 PM
florida I think was either the first or second state to pass this

AlbertH
March 16, 2013, 02:59 PM
Hopefully more respond to this post because there isn't really any quick and easy method of knowing which states are or aren't. Residents of others states will wish they had easy access should they ever decide to travel beyond their borders because it pretty much takes a law degree to understand some of the laws concerning this issue.

I am still trying to find the one state I ran across who's transport law included the stipulation order to be legal without a CPL the handgun had to be not only locked in a container but that container had to have an integral cable and it had to be securely attached to the vehicle... I would be the person who didn't know that law and ran into a anti-gun copper.

NavyLCDR
March 16, 2013, 03:18 PM
Washington does not.

USAF_Vet
March 16, 2013, 03:52 PM
Yes-Michigan.

Liberty1776
March 16, 2013, 03:53 PM
egad! don't mention it here or MN will pass a law against it...
"Minnesota, the state where nothing is allowed..."
even with that though, we're still better off than many other states

JohnKSa
March 16, 2013, 04:33 PM
In TX we have one. Sort of...

A parking lot can be posted, but unless they specifically post the parking lot, a typical (TX legal) no guns sign has no weight of law in the parking lot.

Furthermore, even if they post the parking lot, the sign only applies to permit holders. It has no weight of law for non-permit holders.

I've only seen one parking lot posted, and the owner took the sign down awhile back.

Carl N. Brown
March 16, 2013, 04:57 PM
HSO: TN just passed such a law and it is headed to the Governor's desk.

AP, Nashville: "Haslam signs guns in parking lots bill; set to take effect in July", Kingsport Times-News, 16 Mar 2013.

I hope this is not premature.

weisse52
March 16, 2013, 05:06 PM
Utah does

TrickyDick
March 16, 2013, 07:19 PM
Maine does for work

alsaqr
March 17, 2013, 09:09 PM
Oklahoma: The first state to have a law permitting guns in locked vehicles in employee parking lots.

MedWheeler
March 17, 2013, 09:34 PM
Yes, Florida was the second. Oklahoma had already passed one, but it had been held up in challenge (not sure what happened in their case.)

It's not a "true blanket" law in that certain establishments are excluded including, but not limited to, places of strategic relevance to national security (military facilities, nuclear power plants, etc.), and public school facilities (unless the board adopts a permitting policy.)

alsaqr
March 18, 2013, 09:40 AM
Oklahoma had already passed one, but it had been held up in challenge (not sure what happened in their case.)

At the time of the appeal two major corporations fighting the law; Whirlpool and Weyerhaeuser, had dropped out. Ramsey Winch and other corporations involved appealed based on OSHA rules and the federal judge agreed. The OK attorney general and the NRA appealed: The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the law.

Arkansas Paul
March 18, 2013, 10:47 AM
I need to research this for myself, but at my CHL class a few weeks ago, they told us that in Arkansas, it's all about the signage and how it's marked. If the sign is on the door, you can leave in your car. However, if there's a sign at the entrance to the parking lot forbidding guns on premises, you can't even have it in your car.

Again, I need to research that a little more.

Averageman
March 18, 2013, 11:15 AM
The choice is simple.
If I am a responsable Gun Owner with a CCL, I do not leave a weapon secured in a vehicle; it is simply to easy to be stolen.
Shop somewhere else and tell them why you are doing so!

AlbertH
March 18, 2013, 05:13 PM
The choice is simple.
If I am a responsable Gun Owner with a CCL, I do not leave a weapon secured in a vehicle; it is simply to easy to be stolen.
Shop somewhere else and tell them why you are doing so!
Thats fine and dandy if you never leave Texas or never need to go into a municipal building.

The whole reason for this thread was to make it easier for your fellow responsible gun owner on vacation to know which states they have do more research on as to their parking lot laws. It is unfortunate that you have chosen not to help your fellow responsible gun owner, but to each his own.

Al

jimmyraythomason
March 18, 2013, 05:18 PM
I do not leave a weapon secured in a vehicleI am now retired but when I was working,my employer did not allow guns on the premises. The choice there was simple too,either leave my CCW in my vehicle,violating company policy(the commute was a 2 hour round trip at night in and through Birmingham) or leave it at home.

Bobson
March 18, 2013, 05:21 PM
If by "blanket" you mean it apllies to any and all parking lots in the state, including state and federal properties (post offices, courts, etc), I'd have to say AZ does not - only because I know its a crime to have any weapon (even a knife) in a locked vehicle in a state prison parking lot.

Other than that, I'll need to look into it further. I don't know of a law that specifically addresses this in Arizona.

AlbertH
March 18, 2013, 06:04 PM
If by "blanket" you mean it apllies to any and all parking lots in the state, including state and federal properties (post offices, courts, etc), I'd have to say AZ does not - only because I know its a crime to have any weapon (even a knife) in a locked vehicle in a state prison parking lot.

Other than that, I'll need to look into it further. I don't know of a law that specifically addresses this in Arizona.
in most instances the "Blanket Parking Lot Law" provides for legal place on any municipal owned property within in that state to legally store your weapon in your locked vehicle.

In many instances, Michigan included, the owner of a private business entity can have a "no firearms policy" on all of their private property, including their parking lots, but the signage must be on display at the entrances to those parking lots. If they are not, then the owner by failure to post signage on his parking lots is allowing you to store your weapon in your vehicle while parked there.

This is a law you may want to suggest that your congressman propose when you write him about some of the firearm issues you want him to vote against. Give him some ammunition to fight for your cause with. It can't hurt.

Al

captbluemoon
March 18, 2013, 06:10 PM
You can have a gun in your car ,even without a carry permit in SC, i have never heard of a parking lot in SC that you could not leave your gun in your car!!

rookorami
March 18, 2013, 11:51 PM
Yes Missouri does,

Just had my CCW class yesterday actually. Finally got to it.

After saying where you cannot carry per the law Missouri Statute states

" Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any of the areas listed in this subdivision shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises"

handloader357
March 20, 2013, 06:41 PM
When I read the Colorado "Make my day" law several years ago, my interpretation was that your vehicle is an extension of your home regarding self defense - the make my day law applied to your vehicle. So I would think that storing a weapon in your car is OK? Maybe someone with a better legal background can explain it better. I just simply avoid "Gun Free Zones" as much as possible.

MasterSergeantA
March 20, 2013, 06:49 PM
As best I can tell, Arizona has no such law. Parking lots are considered public areas.

Jaymo
March 20, 2013, 07:05 PM
My car is an extension of my home, in GA. None of the places where I do business as a consumer have any "no guns" signs.
Some of my customers do. I don't carry my piece in my company vehicle, because my company thinks a dead mechanic in a bad neighborhood is better than no being PC.

AlbertH
March 20, 2013, 07:32 PM
My car is an extension of my home, in GA. None of the places where I do business as a consumer have any "no guns" signs.
Some of my customers do. I don't carry my piece in my company vehicle, because my company thinks a dead mechanic in a bad neighborhood is better than no being PC.

I was more concerned with municipal building parking lots since in many instances it is illegal to carry your weapon into them. Unless a different motel room each night while traveling through Georgia would be considered ones home, the car extension may not work for visitors?

Most states that have the home/extension law, consider trailers, motor homes, etc your home only if it is parked in a way that it is no longer readily movable. i.e. leveled using jacks, wheel chocks, etc.

zxcvbob
March 20, 2013, 07:52 PM
egad! don't mention it here or MN will pass a law against it...
"Minnesota, the state where nothing is allowed..."
even with that though, we're still better off than many other states

MN does have a law already allowing parking lot gun storage. Not sure the details... might just be for employees.

Frank Ettin
March 20, 2013, 10:11 PM
When I read the Colorado "Make my day" law several years ago, my interpretation was that your vehicle is an extension of your home regarding self defense - the make my day law applied to your vehicle. So I would think that storing a weapon in your car is OK? Maybe someone with a better legal background can explain it better...Completely different issues. Someone who owns or controls private property may generally prohibit guns on the property, including if locked in a car parked on the property, unless some law specifically prevents him from doing so.

janedoedad
March 20, 2013, 11:50 PM
I was more concerned with municipal building parking lots since in many instances it is illegal to carry your weapon into them. Unless a different motel room each night while traveling through Georgia would be considered ones home, the car extension may not work for visitors?

Most states that have the home/extension law, consider trailers, motor homes, etc your home only if it is parked in a way that it is no longer readily movable. i.e. leveled using jacks, wheel chocks, etc.

Georgia does not care where you are from. Car carry is legal in this state. And there is no prohibition about parking lots, with the exception of federal property.

JTHunter
March 21, 2013, 01:09 AM
Illinois is trying to add a parking lot prohibition to the legislation under debate. It would kill our chances of getting CC by making a haphazard patchwork of denials.

Figures, doesn't it.

AlbertH
March 21, 2013, 09:14 AM
Georgia does not care where you are from. Car carry is legal in this state. And there is no prohibition about parking lots, with the exception of federal property.
Thanks for the clarification. If we can continue to receive info on other states, hopefully this thread can be passed along to some of the gun law sites so they can create a specific page covering parking situations. The reason I started the thread is because of the vagueness of many of the states laws.

Please keep em coming and when you write your congressmen, suggest that your state create legislation making parking lots a legal place to leave your handgun locked in your vehicle if the establishment happens to prohibit weapons. Who knows, they may take your letter a bit more seriously if you can give them a piece of feel good legislation to promote.

Just my thoughts and thanks for the help

Al

DMK
March 21, 2013, 11:45 AM
No such law in NC although it was proposed at one point

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