W-W 45 acp broke my puller


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gamestalker
March 16, 2013, 06:00 PM
I was pulling a bullet from a factory W-W 45 acp round and broke the head off my RCBS kinetic puller? I did manage to get the bullet out on the 10th smack, but once I did I found some type of sealer or adhesive on the case wall, and on the bullet, that I think contributed to the anomaly. Either way, I'm a bit ticked off, I've had that puller for many years and have never come across a bullet that took more than 2-3 smacks to pull, until now that is. Since I don't shoot factory ammo but on very rare occasions, is it a common practice for an adhesive to be utilized on factory 45 ACP in these modern times?

GS

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icebones
March 16, 2013, 06:03 PM
You mean there were factory rounds with bullets cast from WW alloy or Winchester White box? :D I shoot 100 round white box .45acp in my Glock 30 pretty much weekly and I have never noticed any sealant on the case necks or primers but I have never pulled one apart to see inside either. Was the sealant red like on the old mil surp stuff or was it clear? I have a RCBS puller too but its only been used a few times to salvage bullets and powder from a bent or damaged case. Seems like a pretty solid piece of equipment.

gamestalker
March 16, 2013, 06:21 PM
In my 1st post I stated on the bullet and the case wall, I didn't even mention the primer? It was a factory loaded cartridge, FMJ. I couldn't tell you the specifics of the factory box, this stuff was given to me by a guy who provides me with free brass. I'm certain it was factory though, simply because the set back crimp at the base of the seated bullet is still fully tact, and it has never been reloaded, I would know.
There are 3 matching strips of some type of adhesive / sealant on the bullet, and on the case wall.
GS

Jesse Heywood
March 16, 2013, 06:33 PM
Thought I had read about this.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=8787505&postcount=15

RCBS will send you a new puller. If you're trying to salvage the brass, shoot em. For the bullets you could try a collet puller.

david_r
March 16, 2013, 06:55 PM
It sounds like you broke your puller. :rolleyes: When you get a new puller and you run into that situation again, try seating the bullets a little further first to break the sealant between the shell and the bullet.

ljnowell
March 16, 2013, 06:57 PM
You will get that. I have destroyed a kinetic hammer before too. I am personally not to fond of them at all.

BBQJOE
March 16, 2013, 07:00 PM
I've always been afraid that plastic hammer would just break.
I'm really surprised when it doesn't.

rcmodel
March 16, 2013, 07:16 PM
Yes.

All mil-spec ammo has an asphalt sealer on the bullet.

If you want to pull them?
Use the seating die and seat a frog-hair shorter first.
That breaks the sealer and they will then pull normally.

rc

ranger335v
March 16, 2013, 07:18 PM
"..is it a common practice for an adhesive to be utilized on factory 45 ACP in these modern times?"

Just say it isn't uncommon.

Something 'dumm old guys' know is that after a few years of storage, jacketed bullets without a sealer can almost weld themselves into a clean neck. You should run any cartridges to be pulled through a seater first, set the bullets a few thou deeper to break the adhesion and pulling can be much easier.

Another old guy thing is knowing that anyone planning to pull handgun bullets with a collet puller is likely to be dissappointed.

Reloadron
March 16, 2013, 07:31 PM
Use the seating die and seat a frog-hair shorter first.

Gawd, I love it when you get technical RC. :)

Ron

Certaindeaf
March 16, 2013, 08:03 PM
Why did you pull them?

Fishslayer
March 17, 2013, 01:27 AM
You mean there were factory rounds with bullets cast from WW alloy or Winchester White box? .

Winchester-Western. A lot of the .mil .45ACP brass I come across is W W C xx date code.

col.lemat
March 17, 2013, 01:41 AM
Usually I just shoot them if already loaded. I have the hammer and use it regularly when I mess up reloading. Learned something new (seat a frog) if I ever have the need to pull factory loads.

parker51
March 17, 2013, 02:11 AM
On my 3rd RCBS kinetic puller. The first two broke around the threads. Called RCBS and they told me just send back the piece that broke off and they sent me replacements. I have since switched over to the bullet puller that works with the press. The last time I used the kinetic puller on a 25-06 round it ripped the rim off that 3-piece holder so I gave up on it.

gamestalker
March 17, 2013, 02:30 AM
My Bad! I don't know how I did it, but I got the head stamp wrong, it is PMC.

Even though it's a little too late, thanks for the heads up on seating a bit to break them free before trying to pull "trick". It could have saved me a broken $10 puller, I think that's what I paid for it years ago.

Jesse Heywood, so RCBS will replace it for me even though I bought it a long time ago? Seriously, I think I bought that in the mid 1980's from Ruff's Liquor Store in Flagstaff, Az..

But anyway, I've had this kinetic puller for ever and have pulled everything imaginable, so I was really shocked that it gave up the ghost.

As to why I was pulling it, I don't shoot 45 ACP, but I do use the brass to trade with, and, or, now and then I'll load for a couple friends when they need some jacketed stuff. I usually accumulate at least 3k - 4k of them, re-size and tumble, separate by head stamp and primer size, and then use them to trade for the stuff I load.

GS

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