New gold cup trophy barrel leading, HELP!


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68lemans462
March 16, 2013, 10:20 PM
Bought a new GC trophy from a local gun shop, new. Stripped it for inspection BEFORE shooting it and the barrel is badly leaded. I know these are "accurized" so I suspect it was fired a bit at the factory. The bore looked AWFUL when we first took it apart - lots of lead. I scrubbed the CRAP out of it with brass brushes, brushes wrapped in chore boy (that fit TIGHT in the bore), soaked in Hoppes, and only removed a minimal amount of lead. I took the gun to the range today and put about 100 rounds of lead through it today and that may have helped a bit. Aside from buying a lead remover kit with the brass screens(cant think of name), what else can I do???

There is some good news I guess, off the rest I put the first 7 shots in the same hole. This gun is a SHOOTER... I cannot stand the bore looking like this on a new gun...

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BYJO4
March 16, 2013, 10:29 PM
Buy the Lewis Lead Removal kit. It will remove the lead in your barrel.

jstein650
March 17, 2013, 01:00 AM
Those electric lead removers look pretty nice.
I don't imagine you have any mercury lying around, but if you do, filling up the barrel or part way, or doing one portion of the barrel at a time will form an amalgam and makes it easy to remove. I used to take a few jacketed bullets and cut a few scores around the diameter with a thin file or carefully with a Dremel wheel, load and shoot them to clear the lead. Worked pretty well. I recovered a couple of those bullets (this was a .38) and sure enough, those grooves were full of lead!

Edarnold
March 17, 2013, 02:15 AM
?NEW?

You are a lot more trusting than I would be. To me, it sounds more like somebody at the LGS helped themselves to your gun and shot it a lot, then stuck it back in the box and pawned it off on you as new. After finding all that leading, I would have been straight back to them with a loud ***.

I have gotten new guns with traces of metal fouling from factory testing. I cannot imagine Colt shipping a gun with the bore full of heavy leading. Brings up the question of how rough that bore might be to lead that badly.

ku4hx
March 17, 2013, 05:44 AM
PURE COPPER Chore Boy kitchen scouring pad material work wonders. Wrap a few strands around an old bore brush and scrub away.

Just be sure you get the pure copper pads and not the copper washed. Test with a magnet before use.

If the lead hasn't been "welded" onto the bore by firing jacketed bullets, Kroil allowed to soak will help loosen lead. It might help some in any case.

md2lgyk
March 17, 2013, 07:25 AM
I'd be taking that gun back. Besides apparently having been fired a lot, there might be something wrong with it. I have put many thousands of lead bullets through the barrel of my GC in bullseye competition and have never had to clean lead out of it.

68lemans462
March 17, 2013, 10:36 AM
As mentioned, I have already tried chore boy. I'll try the lewis remover before I take the gun back, I just ordered one from Brownells. I'm concerned as well, but dont want to send the gun to colt, not to see it again for a year.

JTQ
March 17, 2013, 11:45 AM
Barrel cleaning tips from Scheumann Barrels

http://www.schuemann.com/Portals/0/Documentation/Webfile_Barrel_Cleaning.pdf

rcmodel
March 17, 2013, 11:57 AM
You got a used gun.

Nobody at Colt shot it with lead bullets.

Proof test & Function test firing would be done at the factory with .45 ACP jacketed ammo.
Most likely 230 grain FMJ.

Are you sure it isn't copper fouling you are seeing?

If it is no amount of scrubbing with chore boy is going to remove it.

You need to use copper solvent.

If that doesn't work, clean it with JB Bore Paste.

http://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-chemicals/solvents-degreasers/bore-cleaning-paste/1-4-oz-j-b-bore-cleaning-compound-sku083065025-1160-4123.aspx?mc_id=17000&ch=csh&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c1021_a_7c083065025_d_083065025_d_10167

rc

ku4hx
March 17, 2013, 12:26 PM
If a vigorous application of Chore Boy didn't scrub your bore clean then what you have is not lead.

To get out gilding metal fouling you're going to have to use something like Sweet's 7.62 as RC is suggesting.

If the bore doesn't come clean under any circumstances, you need to consider the possibility of pitting. Under certain lighting conditions, a pit can have the appearance of a bump.

68lemans462
March 17, 2013, 06:14 PM
Took the gun back today. Gunshop owner says this is a factory defect. Pics tell the story. I'll be curious to see what Colt has to say about this when I call them in the morning. I'd expect a little more out of Colt.. Despite this ugly-ness, we put about 100 rounds through this thing yesterday and the accuracy was dead on and the gun functioned perfectly...

Any of you guys have luck like mine?? This is a PITA!!

68lemans462
March 17, 2013, 06:16 PM
This is the first clip through the gun at 7 yards off the rest... Gun SHOT GREAT all day...

Drail
March 17, 2013, 06:39 PM
The finish in that barrel looks about like every Colt barrel I have examined as far as "roughness" (in other words, not bad at all). I believe someone shot some soft pure lead bullets and left it in there for a long time. Get it warm (with a hair dryer, not a torch) and use the Chore boy or a Lewis lead remover again. It'll come out. I think it's a simple case of severe neglect rather than a "defect". If the gun was sold to you as being actually "new" then there is some funny business going on at that shop. And I would strongly advise anyone with a leaded barrel barrel to NOT play around with Mercury, it is very nasty toxic stuff no matter how well it works.

Certaindeaf
March 17, 2013, 07:03 PM
Took the gun back today. Gunshop owner says this is a factory defect. Pics tell the story. I'll be curious to see what Colt has to say about this when I call them in the morning. I'd expect a little more out of Colt.. Despite this ugly-ness, we put about 100 rounds through this thing yesterday and the accuracy was dead on and the gun functioned perfectly...

Any of you guys have luck like mine?? This is a PITA!!
Colt has nothing to do with it. Either the gunshop owner shot/leaded it or he, the gunshop owner, bought and sold you a used, leaded gun. It is not/was not a new gun.

68lemans462
March 17, 2013, 07:10 PM
So, you guys are telling me this barrel still has lead in it? I have spent no less than 3 hours scrubbing on this barrel. Aside from the barrel itself, this gun didnt look to have been shot other than the factory firing upon the initial inspection tear-down... This stuff is pretty easy to see on stainless guns. As I said, I fired 80 rounds through it and noticed wear marks (on the blasted parts)and other things that would have been there if it had been previously fired. I have already used up 1 package of chore boy and scrubbed the hell out of this thing.... I have no reason to disbelieve the gun shop owner, I agree with him that this is a factory defect. He had an "oh crap" look on his face when I showed it to him. He put a small pick (think dentist) in the barrel and said it was not lead, he said it was steel.

I think Colt has alot to do with this, and it is pretty disappointing. Maybe Im wrong...

Fremmer
March 17, 2013, 07:29 PM
Well that's what I'm wondering, is the mushy looking stuff lead, or is is barrel metal?

Certaindeaf
March 17, 2013, 07:34 PM
Dood, wow. i misunderstood

Certaindeaf
March 17, 2013, 07:36 PM
That thing doesn't even have lugs.

OilyPablo
March 17, 2013, 07:41 PM
If that is lead then it should not be THAT hard to remove.

Think differently about removing lead, don't think about dissolving it. Think about using a penetrant like Kroil or PBlaster to get UNDER the lead, then a jag or brass brush or copper Chore boy. If that doesn't work then it's not lead.

I have that exact barrel and I can assure you, it never looked like that.

Certaindeaf
March 17, 2013, 07:56 PM
I think its been established that it's not lead/any sort of fouling.

rcmodel
March 17, 2013, 08:19 PM
Like I said in post #9.

1. Clean it with copper solvent and/or JB Bore Paste and see what is under there?

2. Or whine real loud and send it back to Colt.

My personal inclination is always #1 first to see whats under there!


Dealer Scratching on it with a Sharp Steel dental pick??
Really! :(

rc

Matt Dillon
March 17, 2013, 09:06 PM
Thine finish it by running dad removal cloth wrapped around a brush until he cloth doesn't come out black.

68lemans462
March 18, 2013, 11:34 AM
Colt is sending out a new barrel today, no questions asked...

md2lgyk
March 19, 2013, 09:04 AM
Good for them. My GC now sports a Kart barrel, but I don't remember the original barrel looking anything like the pics you posted.

koz4guns
March 19, 2013, 09:47 AM
They are just sending out a new barrel?

I would think they would want to fit that barrel to your gun, at least I would want them to fit that new barrel to my gun.

Koz

tuj
March 19, 2013, 09:50 AM
The barrel *must* be fitted! Otherwise you will lose accuracy.

YZ
March 19, 2013, 10:03 PM
Bought a new GC trophy from a local gun shop, new. Stripped it for inspection BEFORE shooting it and the barrel is badly leaded. I know these are "accurized" so I suspect it was fired a bit at the factory. The bore looked AWFUL when we first took it apart - lots of lead. I scrubbed the CRAP out of it with brass brushes, brushes wrapped in chore boy (that fit TIGHT in the bore), soaked in Hoppes, and only removed a minimal amount of lead. I took the gun to the range today and put about 100 rounds of lead through it today and that may have helped a bit. Aside from buying a lead remover kit with the brass screens(cant think of name), what else can I do???

There is some good news I guess, off the rest I put the first 7 shots in the same hole. This gun is a SHOOTER... I cannot stand the bore looking like this on a new gun...
I had good results with LEAD removal cloth. Has to be the heavy variety such as Kleenbore. Cut it in patches and push with a bronze brush sized for 9mm.
I'd avoid using the Lewis kit. Too rough. It was meant to clean forcing cones in revolvers. Gold Cup Trophys are supposedly accurized at Colt.
Using lead cloth, I dont need any lead solvents, they are toxic, pungent, and can mess up finishes.

Hangingrock
March 20, 2013, 10:07 AM
Iím puzzled/surprised/wondering as to why Colt opted to send a barrel as opposed to having the pistol returned for their inspection and repair.

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