California Gun "Laws"


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Bill50
March 17, 2013, 12:32 AM
Before readers of this post see that I moved from America to California, they must be aware that I'm a recent college grad and had only two anti-gun states for job choices (terrible economy). I will be getting a new job ASAP when I can find one in an American state.

So I walked to the local gun store today (my car can't pass emissions and taxes are too high to buy a new one while paying back student loans and tuition to finish my PhD in an attempt to improve my job prospects in American states) to buy replacement reduced-capacity magazines for the standard capacity magazines I had to leave behind. I expected gun stores and shooting ranges to be the only places for normalcy in California.

Big mistake.

I went through all of the gun laws relative to bringing guns from American states to California, but I missed an ammo buying law unique to Los Angeles (because I wasn't looking to buy ammo in my 6 months here and hoped to leave before 6 months was up). When I saw this one, I had to ask about it. I was waiting around and the dealer pulled out a book full of people's IDs and fingerprints and showed them off to everyone (if I got caught showing off records like that at my job, I would be fired and prosecuted by the SEC). He said that fingerprinting for ammo was not only required by law in Los Angeles, but a good idea. In his 3 years of working there, they got a call from the LAPD about 1 person on probation that they sold ammo to. That one criminal they sold ammo to (they didn't anything illegal with it BTW) was justification to fingerprint everyone in California looking to buy ammo in this guy's mind.

Not only did he believe this, but he tried to use the fact that he was twice my age to justify why he was right. Apparently his "experience" in life outweighs my common sense even though he is wrong. Not only do I have to go to shooting ranges in California, but I have to teach a few open minded coworkers how to shoot with anti-gun idiots all around. Skeet and trap are two player games. I need a partner. What is wrong with these people?

In the last American state I lived in, no one asked for ID when buying ammo, and people at gun ranges shook my hand and thanked me for teaching new people how to shoot when I brought friends that were obviously awkward with guns to the range.

I'd put an unloaded gun on the shooting bench, show them how to use it, give them a couple pointers, let them shoot it, and then when people would ask for the range to go cold, I would check to make sure they emptied the gun and left the chamber open correctly, and no one would complain.

I knew California would be <deleted>, but I didn't think a supposed part of America could be this bad. What happened?

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MErl
March 17, 2013, 12:39 AM
LA is a city of 10mil in an urban area larger.

They have had laws like those for a long time.

Shop owners that disagree have long since moved away or gotten out of the gun business. The ones that remain, well, agree for profit or agree on belief. The fact is that the LAPD would have ammo without them so they are tolerated as a nuisance.

Bill50
March 17, 2013, 12:48 AM
They were out of .22lr ammo too. How do I teach a new shooter how to shoot without tapping into my 7.62X38R Nagant ammo that isn't available in CA? I have another 9 months to live here (minimum) and only have a couple thousand rounds of .22lr. Every coworker I can convert to liking guns will shoot about 200 rounds of .22lr.

MErl
March 17, 2013, 01:10 AM
.22LR is in short supply anyway but one thing I recall from CA is the highways. Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino counties are all within that LA urban area.

As another example of any local ammunition restriction, those areas should not require the LA specific checks. You are in an urban area of 17mil, there should be .22 available somewhere.

Indifferent
March 17, 2013, 01:15 AM
I have purchased ammo all over Cali and never got printed. Is this LA only? I know Walmart is pretty strict but Turners Big 5 and most others are pretty chill. Welcome to the best weather and dumbest politicians ever.

danez71
March 17, 2013, 01:30 AM
I believe thats a LA City law and not an LA Colunty law. LA City is fairly small.

You could probably drive 10 miles and be in a city that doesnt require ID and finger prints.

Reseda city... that a whole other ball of turd. Look in the local Turners ads and there are so many guns listed as "Not available in Reseda". Buy you can drive 10 mile buy them outside Reseda and bring them in. :banghead:

jdooner
March 17, 2013, 02:37 AM
IIRC..In Turner's one day I inquired as to the 'no Reseda' notation. It seems it has something to do with those firearms being used by the RPD. Makes a lot of sense, huh...

Fishslayer
March 17, 2013, 02:41 AM
The leftists that get elected here aren't elected for their 2A views. The anti gun agenda comes with the free bread and circuses.

...and free cell phones

Calguns.net has all the latest skinny on our laws.

Bill50
March 17, 2013, 03:02 AM
I was indeed at Turners in Reseda. Reseda is part of LA city which has extra (illegal) gun laws.

I've checked out Calguns.net, but its mostly useless to me. I should be able to find a job in America before they pass more gun laws. I'll be out $8,000 in moving costs in the course of a year, but it will be well worth it to GTFO.

esheato
March 17, 2013, 05:41 AM
I hear you...

I've lived off and on in Northern California since 91, and it was great minus the issues with ARs and magazines. I suppose I could say it was tolerable. I moved away a couple times with the military, but ended up in Riverside last year for a job I couldn't pass up.

Never living in a major urban area before, I figured I'd give it a try. I understood that the shooting wouldn't be as awesome as Texas, where I was previously, but I figured there is lots of other stuff to do, so I'd be ok. It's been the longest year of my life.

I tried to stay positive, but one can only swim against the current for so long. Places to shoot outdoors (my preference) are few and far between, and when I do go, it's full of people that have no clue about how to conduct themselves with firearms. Even the desert is off limits due to county ordinances....and Riverside and San Bernardino counties stretch to the AZ border!

I convinced a few coworkers to go with me, but it was more as an experience, checking a box so to speak, than people serious about competition or training.

Additionally, I set up my reloading shop in my garage and hardly set foot out there...I've hardly pulled a press handle in a year.

Might as well forget about finding a shooting buddy too. I mentioned shooting to my neighbors when I moved in and they literally laughed in my face. They said to me, "We try to stay away from people like that." Oooook, never mind then.

I've even gone so far as to hand out my name and phone number to people at the range with obvious skills. Guess who calls me...nobody. I can't figure this place out. :o:banghead::(

I'm looking for work again these days, and you can bet your butt it won't be here.

SaxonPig
March 17, 2013, 09:21 AM
I understand following career goals. I have moved a couple times pursuing jobs. But in 1992 I did just the opposite. I quit my job of 14 years, sold my house and left CA because I could no longer bear the socialist environment and oppressive gun laws. I left family and friends and do not regret my decision one bit. Unfortunately the takers far outnumber the makers in CA and the commie governor and legislature is happy to bow to the their wishes and steal money from the productive and the rights from everyone.

easy
March 17, 2013, 05:52 PM
I, like SaxonPig, have found my escape from the anti-America that is CA. Wife is holding down the new fort in F-A. I'm stuck in CA until the old house is sold, then I'm gone.

CGT80
March 17, 2013, 06:41 PM
Might as well forget about finding a shooting buddy too.

PM sent. I compete at West End Gun Club a few times per month. I also dislike the people who ignore safe gun handling. There are some good shooters around, but you have to look for them or get lucky. West End is the closest you will probably get to a decent range in free America. The people are generally of a better caliber than what you find at public ranges. WEGC is private, but open for the public to shoot competitions. I have met great people at other ranges, but the staff can be bad, and you always have some undesirables. I feel safe leaving my truck opened at this range while I am a shooting in a nearby bay. It is hard to find a place like that in SoCal.

The gun laws suck. I was born here 32 years ago, so it is all I know. LA is just a small area of SoCal, geographically speaking. It is better as you head away from LA, but the area has still turned into a crap hole. A crap hole that has decent weather, many opportunities for outdoor activities, a lot of industry, and the place I know as home, but still a crap hole compared to what it once was. When you see and hear more foreign language than you do English, and the area looks trashy and like a low income place, and the people care only about themselves, you start to wonder if you are still in the USA.

Thermactor
March 17, 2013, 10:39 PM
I miss the weather.. don't miss the culture, noise, politics, laws, prices, and overcrowding. OP, you'll feel relieved when you can rejoin the United States.

CApighunter
March 17, 2013, 11:17 PM
Welcome to the Peoples Republic of Kalifornistan. I'm a Californian by birth, not by choice. I have lived here my whole life and it just keeps getting worse. I'm 17 and when I leave for college next year I will definitely pick a Free America state. I'm tired of putting up with the tree humping liberal BS, time to abandon ship.
CApighunter

Teachu2
March 18, 2013, 04:48 PM
There are the large metrpolitan areas in CA - Los Angeles and San Francisco - that are anti2A (especially SF) but much of the rest of the state is pro2A. I've lived in the central valley over 50 years, and it's a lot different here.

Mauserguy
March 18, 2013, 05:23 PM
Wow, you've definately had a bad experience. LA is an interesting place, but it is definately in decline, with more people taking than making. Other areas are much better. There is a very active shooter community here. I go out to the desert all the time shooting, ussually away from the crowds, but there are lots of like minded people here. Definately keep an open mind. Yes, our laws suck, but there are some good people here. CGT80 is a good example. Try again.
Mauserguy

Twiki357
March 19, 2013, 04:09 AM
In the LA area, go to stores that are in LA but not a part of the sewer. Cities like Burbank, Glendale, Pasadena, etc. are separately incorporated cities and islands within LA but are not subject to the outlandish LA ordinances. Or, at least that's how it was 10 years ago when I escaped.

madsend81
March 19, 2013, 02:52 PM
Try hitting some stores in LA County but not LA City. I live in Lakewood and don't have to bother with the finger printing when I go to Turners in Signal Hill or Norwalk, or Ammo Brothers in Cerritos. The finger printing is only in the city of Los Angeles, not the county. I've had some good conversations with the staff at those stores and they are no where near as asinine as the LGS clerk you described.

I was born and raised in San Diego. My folks just moved to AZ last year after living most of their married life in CA. As I was recently discussing with my dad the latest political anti 2A shenanigans going on here, he asked me, "So, when are you moving to AZ?" If it weren't for the good paying job I have right now, I would seriously be considering it.

Sniper66
March 19, 2013, 04:00 PM
Bill50.....Come to Kansas. We love guns and freedom. I have done executive recruiting so maybe I can point you toward employment. We like educated guys too. I spent this importing loading test loads for my .243 and can't wait to go to the range. But, it is snowing right now...I guess somethings in California are OK:)

Sniper66
March 19, 2013, 04:01 PM
I meant to say I spent the "morning" loading....

Alizard
March 19, 2013, 06:45 PM
I knew California would be <deleted>, but I didn't think a supposed part of America could be this bad. What happened?

If you actually want to know what happened, and are not just whining, I invite you to look up the Mulford Act and see who signed it into law. That was the most restrictive gun control law ever enacted in california up until that point in time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

Later, the murder of mayor Moscone in San Fran fueled a trend towards stricter gun laws. Feinstein exploited it for political gain. California laws basically emulate the 1994 Assault Weapon ban which owed it's existence to the same man who signed the Mulford Act.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ronald-reagan-helped-pass-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban/

Librarian
March 19, 2013, 09:24 PM
California laws basically emulate the 1994 Assault Weapon ban which owed it's existence to the same man who signed the Mulford Act.You have the order wrong - the bill for Roberti-Roos, CA's 'by name' assault weapon law, was 1989. That law followed DiFi to Washington when she became Senator in 1992.

So, we got the 1994 Federal law; then we got the CA 1998 SB 23, that gave us the 'by feature' law.

I sure wish we had also had a 'sunset clause' ...

Bill50
March 21, 2013, 02:36 AM
I have moved a couple times pursuing jobs. But in 1992 I did just the opposite. I quit my job of 14 years, ...

Things are a lot different now. Getting a job that requires a high school diploma fresh out of school 10 years ago now requires a Master's and 5 years of experience.

I'm giving it one year max in California. At the end of the year, if I don't find a job in my profession, I will be finding a new profession. In my free time at work (the computer stuff I run can take days to compute, so don't accuse me of being lazy), I try to learn new techniques that are highly valued in a profession that's more common in America.

I spent this importing loading test loads for my .243 and can't wait to go to the range. But, it is snowing right now...I guess somethings in California are OK

I grew up in a snow covered anti-gun state. Even what seems good about California is not good. I think they add extra taxes based on how much less snow you receive on average. Each foot of snow in Kansas is worst $10,000 of income taxes in California.

Zoogster
March 21, 2013, 02:41 PM
Part of your culture shock is Southern California's attitude in general.

The people in SoCal are meaner. No Southern hospitality, yet still a lack of snow or much change in seasons that most of the country thinks would be great, when it actually means every day is nearly the same and so people don't really change gears.

Go someplace with seasons and snow and around spring people are thrilled. Around summer they are all making the best of the good weather and BBQing, meeting new people, doing outdoor activities, enjoying toys or vehicles best with warm weather etc A large percentage of the society is out trying to do fun things at the same time.
Around fall things are winding down, people are transitioning to winter. Around the end of fall into winter becomes a lot of indoor time with family and friends. There is changes that break up the routine and bring people together doing similar things.

Contrast that with Southern California, it's the same 90% of the time, people are not suddenly excited or make the best of the blue sky and warm days. It's the same old thing. In the winter people are not pushed indoors, it is the same old thing. It is the same old grind, nothing forces anyone to change routines, so a large percentage stick with the same thing day after day.

Combine that with California traditionally being the place people having problems or not fitting in or otherwise having some lifetyle or values that conflict with where they are from choose to go. You get a lot more disconnected people with values all over the place and not very harmonius.
You don't have the same moral and traditional base shared by most of the community. Part of that also leads to a society less controlled by its own values and so they make up for that with more laws. Or at a lower level a lot more rules at a variety of places. People are not expected to govern themselves well and are expected to need extra restrictions.
SoCal is full of communities where people can live for years and not know the guy 3 doors down. Being friendly can actually seem foreign to many people. Some will wonder what you are trying to get from them, what your angle is, or how they can take advantage of you.
Kindness is weakness in many areas.
The scowl of the people going about thier day in public is common.
Contrasted with many parts of the country where someone not open and friendly is considered wierd. Especially in thier own neighborhood.
Or where everyone knows thier neighbors.

So being friendly in most of SoCal is not normal, it is not what people grow up with. Those who are being friendly are making an extra effort, and are in the minority.
So of course you will see all of the same things extend to places like a gun range. And those at gun ranges are actually overall better than the population in general. Although the more mainstream gun ownership and shooting becomes the less so that is true.



SoCal is not a nice place, and is ironically one of the most influential parts of the country on the rest of the nation. The center of a lot of TV and movies, and media projected sense of right, wrong, and normalcy.
There is some great things about California, but your people experience with the public at large if you are from someplace as you describe is not going to be one of them. You have to search more for the type of people you want to be around in California, because unlike a more harmonius place where most people are on the same page, in California they are all over the place.

bainter1212
March 21, 2013, 03:04 PM
I agree with Zoogster. CA is not all like LA. In fact, most of us up here in Northern CA don't like or trust the folks down in SoCal or the Bay Area. We've got a lot of water up here, but tons and tons of it is shipped down to Southern CA to feed the insatiable appetites of those who chose to live in a desert. The people in the big cities hold the rest of us hostage, just like NYC does to New York state.
A lot of the inland counties are gun friendly. I live in a suburb of Sacramento. Sac city has the stupid fingerprinting ammo thing going on, but the city proper is not that big. Drive 5 mins and no fingerprinting.

splithoof
March 22, 2013, 12:17 AM
Zoogster, your description in post # 25 is about the best descriptive of So Cal society as has ever been written. After 47 years here, I am looking forward to a decent retirement away from "behind the iron curtain", and am now in the process of educating my family about the possibilities in other states. I can hardly wait to leave; I figure I van do my twice annual coastal camping trips from anywhere.

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