Best double action trigger?


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Redhat
March 13, 2004, 06:46 PM
I noticed that when discussing pistols comments are always made concerning whether it has a "good" or "bad" trigger.

So what pistols have the best double action trigger out of the box?

My vote is for S&W, of course my 75B is breaking nicely.

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Gewehr98
March 13, 2004, 07:34 PM
An E-9, K-9, MK-9, or T-9, especially with the Elite package. Very smooth, no stacking, all the way to the "bang". :D

http://mauser98.com/k9.jpg

Preacherman
March 13, 2004, 07:39 PM
I'd have to rate the Para-Ordnance LDA trigger as the best I've felt, closely followed by the Kahr triggers (nod to Gewehr98 here! :cool: ) and the Springfield XD's in third place.

WheelMan
March 13, 2004, 09:09 PM
Doesn't this belong over in the revolver forum? :p

dfariswheel
March 13, 2004, 10:19 PM
Another vote for Kahr.
Their trigger feels like a well-tuned S&W revolver action.

AndABeer
March 13, 2004, 10:24 PM
92D

Ala Dan
March 13, 2004, 10:24 PM
My vote goes to MY Swiss P75! :cool: :uhoh: :D



Say you don't know what the Swiss P75 is? The answer is hidden in some of these threads on THR.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Smoke
March 13, 2004, 10:29 PM
Para LDA.

I don't care for the long pull of DA triggers. I had an LDA and swapped it. But the Para trigger impressed me enough I'm reconsidering getting a Para Carry.

Smoke

Walt Sherrill
March 13, 2004, 11:10 PM
I recently picked up an ASAI ONE PRO in .45 acp. (This is a Swiss-made CZ clone, imported by Magnum Research.)

It has the lightest, smoothest double-action trigger I've ever felt that WILL STILL IGNITE THE PRIMER every time. The SA trigger is very nice, too.

This particular one is VERY accurate -- especially if someone else is shooting it. <sigh>

P95Carry
March 13, 2004, 11:16 PM
Hmmm .. maybe this should still be auto oriented but gotta say .. if you want total warm and soft butter ... this M28-2 has it. It was worked on and hammer bobbed ..... and you'd have to shoot this too know.

Current carry piece .. with CT grips .... what a dream. :)


http://www.bedford.net/design/cb_gun2/m28_ctgrips_s.jpg

Redhat
March 13, 2004, 11:22 PM
Sorry, but the M82 doesn't qualify here, I originally said out of the box, and I'm only interested in the best double action on semi-auto's. Nice revolver though!

Thanks

P95Carry
March 13, 2004, 11:34 PM
Oops . sorry Redhat!! Bit too skimpy on the reading I guess. I will be honest ... the ''outa the box'' did not register .. Duh!!

There was one revo tho .. yep ... a Taurus ... M66 ... sweet as you'd not believe ... out the box!

Sorry to ''revo'' the thread dude!:p

I have no auto-loader that was genuinely sweet out the box . I accept them for what they are.. but I was, gotta say ... surprised that my Mak was VERY acceptable ... as is. Great piece.

tlhelmer
March 14, 2004, 10:47 AM
Sigs have the single best triggers out of the box, IMNSHO.

mete
March 14, 2004, 12:04 PM
Kahr is nice . Also HK USP or P2000 with the LEM trigger.

rich2u
March 14, 2004, 12:08 PM
WHAT! no votes for the CZ100:p :p

Boats
March 14, 2004, 12:35 PM
Of the ones I have tried, one CZ-75B comes to mind. However my vote is undermined by the fact that I have also fired one that was horrible. Inconsistent manufacture makes for a crap shoot there. Sample to sample, I'd vote for the SIG P226. There the problem for me is the high bore axis though.

Then again, no DA auto feels as good as my common Ruger GP 100, which in turn is not as smooth as a typical S&W. Both are better than any DA auto I have tried.

This thread is just making me want a NRM Colt 1911.:D

Marshall
March 14, 2004, 01:14 PM
My XD-40's aint shabby! But, out of the semi-auto's I have fired with double action, the LDA has to have the sweetest I have felt.

Sean Smith
March 14, 2004, 02:08 PM
LDA is light, but not what I'd call "good."

Kahr K9 is the best stock autoloader DA trigger I've tried.

PCRCCW
March 14, 2004, 06:05 PM
My CZ PCR but its been shot alot and its my gun.........so I guess its not out of the box anymore.............hmmmmmmmmmmm :scrutiny:

Shoot well.

JoeWang
March 14, 2004, 08:51 PM
The Glocks :neener:! My G34 has an out of the box ~5# trigger. The box said 3.5# but they were wrong. With use it has gotten better.

Black Majik
March 14, 2004, 09:12 PM
since this thread is in the AUTOLOADER forum, my vote is the Sig pistols. Also the Kahrs have nice DA triggers also.

JPM70535
March 14, 2004, 09:24 PM
Para LDA wins hands down. Smoother and lighter than my highly tuned Model 66 4" with accuracy to, match

Clean97GTI
March 14, 2004, 09:31 PM
Glocks aren't double action.

I don't know what H&K P2000 you fired, but the one I shot had the worst trigger I've ever felt. The regular USP's are a little better.

I like my FN Forty-Nine. Nice and smooth although it wouldn't bother me if it were a bit lighter.

happyguy
March 14, 2004, 10:09 PM
S&W Model 15 Combat Masterpiece after about 10,000 rounds.

In autoloaders the winner would be Kahr.

Regards,
Happyguy:D

Ringer
March 14, 2004, 10:35 PM
I really like the LDA trigger on my Para, too bad I can't carry it until it performs better, but that is another story.

Not sure you can compare the LDA with true DA pistols though, because the trigger alone can't cock and fire the gun.

jercamp45
March 16, 2004, 10:22 PM
1) LDA
2) Kahr
3) Sig
4) CZ
5) HK

In most cases I have only shot two or three models of each, but thaese were the impressions I got.

Jercamp45

albanian
March 16, 2004, 11:12 PM
Based on guns that I have owned:

Good DA triggers (not in any order):

Kahr
Beretta
Bersa
Ruger P-95 (it was decent but not great)






Bad DA triggers:

SIG 220
Makarov Bulgarian
Walther PP
Walther P-1
CZ-40
FEG DA Hi-Power
CZ-70
S&W 59
Ruger P-89
AMT Backup .45ACP (you ain't felt a bad trigger DA trigger until you shoot one of these gems :uhoh: )

Zan
March 16, 2004, 11:28 PM
SInce I see alot of CZ 75 series picked and I own the P-01 myself, I'll go with the CZ 75 series. But then again, I'm new at this.

WarMachine
March 17, 2004, 12:54 AM
A friend of mine owns a Para LDA and this trigger is masterful. My next choice would be the CZ 75.

Gary in Pennsylvania
March 17, 2004, 08:45 AM
Although I'm a Hopeless CZ Junkie, I'd have to vote for my Sig Pro SP2340. NOTHING fits my hand as comfortably as my CZ's, but the Sig Pro wins the "Best Double Action" contest.

twbredw
March 17, 2004, 10:42 AM
just from my expirience a kahr, sig , and a smith and wesson 5906 police trade in i had a few years ago:cool:

orangeninja
March 17, 2004, 01:24 PM
CZ 75B....or Sig 2340 or XD.....I like the 2340 the best. The other two? a toss up. The 75B is smoother but the XD is almost SA in feel.

clipse
March 17, 2004, 01:29 PM
http://img33.photobucket.com/albums/v101/clipse/CZUB/75bsafeside.jpg

litework
March 17, 2004, 01:32 PM
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was certain the XD pistols are single action pistols. I'm not sure about the Kahrs. The Glocks are somewhat double action.

RON in PA
March 17, 2004, 01:34 PM
Sig 228
S&W 5906

98z28
March 17, 2004, 02:55 PM
I have not tried the Kahr's and Para's that every is bragging about, but the SigPro 2340 I used to own had by far the sweetest DA trigger pull (on an auto) I have ever felt.

McCall911
April 9, 2004, 07:49 PM
My personal favorite, as far as DA trigger function: Bren Ten (Dornaus & Dixon) Marksman Special.

tetchaje1
April 9, 2004, 08:35 PM
My vote goes to MY Swiss P75!

Would that be your Sphinx? ;)

http://users.telenet.be/thyku01/3000_1.gif

I've never tried a Sphinx but SIGs, the HK LEM, Para's LDA, Kahr Elite, etc... all have nice DA trigger pulls.

Still doesn't beat a 1911's SA trigger, though... :neener:

cratz2
April 9, 2004, 09:25 PM
I think we need to start another thread asking about either the best 'true DA' trigger or the best 'not cocked and locked' trigger...

Kahrs, Glocks, Para LDAs... none of those are DA triggers. If you pull the trigger and and it doesn't go bang and you have to somehow manipulate the slide to get another chance at cocking or charging and releasing the hammer or striker, it's not really double action... More like single and a half action.

:p

I've only handled a few Sphinx pistols but have been generally very impressed... The frames (or lower halves) are just beautiful... But certainly pricey... at least around here.

HogRider
April 9, 2004, 11:14 PM
From all the guns I have ever shot, I'd say the SW 4506 and the Sig 226 have the nicest Double Action trigger.

Longbow
April 9, 2004, 11:19 PM
Colt Z40!

tetchaje1
April 9, 2004, 11:31 PM
I think we need to start another thread asking about either the best 'true DA' trigger or the best 'not cocked and locked' trigger...

True, Cratz2. Of the strictly DOA triggers out there that have no pre-tensioning of the hammer or striker, I'd have to say that the Kahr Elite, SIG DAK, Beretta DAO, and some revolver triggers are the best out there. :)

FWIW, I've never been able to play with a Sphinx yet. It's probably a good thing for my bank account... :D

I will admit that I feel the call for the Sphinx 3000 Standard, though... :uhoh:

http://www.ppc1500.cz/Zbrane/P3100032.jpg

Marshall
April 10, 2004, 12:02 AM
Those things look like CZ's? Who makes them? :scrutiny:

cratz2
April 11, 2004, 05:17 PM
They are very similar to the CZ75 design... a derivative thereof.

As far as I know, they aren't currently imported. They used to be imported by a guy in Ossian, Indiana. As I said, they are beautiful guns... discounting the slide, they are among the very best guns I've ever seen... SIG 210s included. ;)

Marcus
April 11, 2004, 11:32 PM
I `d say my S&W 4053 DAO is the best I`ve got. Course it`s pre tensioned,which is what makes it so nice and short (very Kahr like). Barring that I`d say my CZ-75B which is as sweet or sweeter than any TDA I`ve ever fired. Marcus

caz223
April 12, 2004, 08:38 AM
As for the best DA trigger, it belongs on an older smith wheel.
The performance center offerings from smith currently aren't bad, either.
I got a PC629 snubby that's superb. Like no auto that I've shot.

On an auto, I'd have to say that CZ's certainly leave something to be desired.
Some of them are nice, but the average CZ out of the box is gritty, and you can feel it let off before it breaks. A few thousand trigger pulls help out immensely.
The average SIG is prolly one of the better out of the box gun for the trigger, and for general reliability.
H&K's triggers are a bit heavy and tight for the most part, but after a few thousand rounds they start feeling downright good if they are kept clean and lubed in the right places.

Smurfslayer
April 12, 2004, 03:35 PM
To me "good trigger" means -

low resistance ( how many pounds to pull ), smooth, minimal stacking, consistent break, quick and positive reset.

I've shot 4 Sigs, 2 mod. 226, 1 228, and a 239. The 239 was a DAO that wasn't bad, perhaps around 10 pounds. The other 3 - The 228 was average, the 2 226 models were both absolutely hateful double action triggers, at least 16 pounds, probably more. This is not to impeach the whole marque on my limited sampling, just what I've noticed.

The Berettas which come with the D model hammer spring, all very good examples - no more than 9 pound DA pull, very smooth minimal stacking. Of the traditional double actions, I'd give the nod to the Elite 2's...

Of all the Glocks I've shot *I* have an issue with the trigger (note that I am not implicating the gun in this aspect) in that I don't seem to feel that the trigger 'breaks' consistently on each shot. I have a similar inhibition shooting the XD pistols, so I'll include them in my opining, but I just don't favor them.

2 worth mentions are the Walther P99, and USP in LEM configuration. Both give reasonable trigger pull, minimal stacking, consistent break and positive reset. I have 2 LEM USP's I think the P99 reset might be a little better in that respect.

LEGHORN
April 12, 2004, 07:00 PM
Irrespective of which DA you like, the one thing that is pretty clear: the XD is unequivocally a SA pistol. No matter who wants to perpetuate the myth that an XD is a DA pistol, they have to deal with the fact that DA requires the pull of the trigger to cause 2 actions to take place; to first cock, fully or otherwise, the hammer or striker, and then release same onto the primer. The XD trigger, while it may be longer than it otherwise needs to be, only releases the striker to go forward and nonthing more, hence it is a Single Action. I'm confident that the XD people themselves, if faced with that very direct question, would have to agree.

WvaBill
April 12, 2004, 09:58 PM
Not a PPKs

tbeb
April 12, 2004, 10:14 PM
A full size double action only Beretta 9mm, and I believe model number was 92D. That's one I should've bought!

WarMachine
April 13, 2004, 01:01 AM
:evil: Ruger P89 :evil:

38snapcaps
April 13, 2004, 10:31 AM
Walther P-99.

Henry Bowman
April 13, 2004, 12:38 PM
Isn't the H&K P2000 a single action? It is advertised as having a "patented pre-cocked hammer."

gvass
April 13, 2004, 12:59 PM
Best DA?

Colt Python
Manurhin MR73

OK, these are revolvers. And???

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