Is howdah 20 gauge a joke or could it be used for small game and close range deer


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jmcarter
March 18, 2013, 11:04 PM
Was on cabelas website earlier and saw the howdah, and was wondering if it could actually be used hunting deer and small game or if is just a "fun" gun to shoot with no real use. And if its a joke what would yall recommend far as black powder pistols for close range deer and small game. Was gonna get the cva optima pistol then i ran across this neat gun.

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BlackNet
March 18, 2013, 11:18 PM
:) You need to see my howdah thread.



http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=482964

EljaySL
March 19, 2013, 12:43 AM
Accuracy-wise I think by the time you're close enough to shoot the deer you might as well whack it over the head with it. It's a short barreled smoothbore with minimal sights.

It's an extremely powerful short range weapon. If you have a use for an extremely powerful short range weapon (say, you're sitting on an elephant and might have a tiger jump on you) or just want to have a great time at the range buy one. If not, don't.

zampilot
March 19, 2013, 07:34 PM
it was made for the purpose of repelling unwanted boarders!

Patocazador
March 19, 2013, 07:45 PM
I have "talked" to several Optima rifle owners who love their guns. Accurate, functional and relatively inexpensive but none had any first-hand experience with the Optima Pistol. All of them seemed to believe that the pistol was just a cut-down rifle with a pistol grip.

I would much rather have a "sawed-off" .50 cal pistol to hunt with than a smooth bore "cutesy" gun. In fact, the reason I contacted these people was to get info re: the Optima pistol. I still have not found anyone who owns one. If reports prove favorable, I will purchase one to use for hunting deer and hogs.

As BlackNet's photos show, his gun is gorgeous .. a work of art .. but is it suitable for hunting? I doubt it.

PRM
March 19, 2013, 08:01 PM
I bought a side by side 20 gauge right after Pedersoli came out with them. Yep, they are accurate enough and powerful enough to do what your asking.

I've shot everything from field loads, to .60 caliber patched round ball, to buck shot of various size(s).

I generally keep it loaded in the house... .60 round ball with #4 buck on top of that.

Buck and Ball, an American Tradition since 1775 :-)

Dr.Rob
March 19, 2013, 08:24 PM
Fun gun for sure. I have a Pedesoli BP double 12 ga.. and while it's possible to shoot it at birds.. forget about scoring a double. The smoke it generates obscures all chances of a follow up shot.

splattergun
March 19, 2013, 09:43 PM
I wouldn't consider a Howdah appropriate for hunting, but it is by no means a joke. It was quite lethal in close quarters combat.

BlackNet
March 19, 2013, 11:45 PM
Question as to hunting, I would have to counter ask what is the game. If you are going for elk then look elsewhere. If you are looking for fowl that you skeet type shoot in the field then this would be very workable. Keep in mind to that the distant vs spread with the small barrels must be taken into account. 23 paces you have a good 2 foot spread.

What I have is 50x20 so the 50 cal side is rifled so that is better but I would prefer 20x20 had I to do it over again. Doing skeet type shots with one of these is pure joy.

p.s.
Thanks for the kind comments on my howdah and yes it is indeed a work of art. I have had anti-gun people tell me how beautiful it is and they loved it. That says loads.

PRM
March 20, 2013, 06:35 AM
23 paces you have a good 2 foot spread.



My 20X20 will hold around a 6-7 inch pattern at 10 yards (30 feet) with .00 Buck. The PRB is about as accurate as any other muzzle loading pistol once you get the hang of shooting with the shotgun type sights.

Carl N. Brown
March 20, 2013, 06:55 AM
A Howdah is a platform on the back of an elephant used to carry passangers.

The howdah pistol is useful for shooting tigers that jump on the howdah to try to eat the passengers. (I would recommend the old Confederate load of three buckshot with a bore-side round ball on top.) Many original Howdah pistols were .577 caliber pistols with rifled barrels.

Seriously, it is a reproduction of a weapon for defense against large predators at close range. A historical replica, that has huge cool factor, even if it has noiche use.

I would want one just to reproduce the old Southern "snake gun" a similar niche use gun.

BlackNet
March 20, 2013, 08:56 AM
My 20X20 will hold around a 6-7 inch pattern at 10 yards (30 feet) with .00 Buck. The PRB is about as accurate as any other muzzle loading pistol once you get the hang of shooting with the shotgun type sights.

That is about normal for that size, I should have mentioned I was using #6 shot.

This is the target. We have 0 buck size (approx 32 caliber), 50 caliber size and #6 shot at the same distance.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/598934_4603155158799_1638884209_n.jpg

shunka
March 21, 2013, 11:06 PM
A Howdah is a platform on the back of an elephant used to carry passangers.

The howdah pistol is useful for shooting tigers that jump on the howdah to try to eat the passengers. (I would recommend the old Confederate load of three buckshot with a bore-side round ball on top.) Many original Howdah pistols were .577 caliber pistols with rifled barrels.

Seriously, it is a reproduction of a weapon for defense against large predators at close range. A historical replica, that has huge cool factor, even if it has noiche use.

I would want one just to reproduce the old Southern "snake gun" a similar niche use gun.
Howdah Pistols can be quite handy when quelling a native riot
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/6/62/Gd29.jpg/600px-Gd29.jpg

(note the percussion caps and folding bayonet on this over/under)


or stopping a Tsavo Lion
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/0/0e/Gd56.jpg/600px-Gd56.jpg

yhs

BlackNet
March 21, 2013, 11:10 PM
http://youtu.be/T0kzdu_wTM0

BlackNet
March 21, 2013, 11:13 PM
Higher def is here. ... http://youtu.be/6mXeuJOfUNM

kBob
March 22, 2013, 07:28 AM
Well I recently (in the last week) learned I may have an excuse to offer the wife as to why we "need" a Howda......

There is a tiger retirement/ rehab center within five miles the of house and her horses.......

Co-incidentaly there is also an elephant retirement rehab place within 20 miles and Rhinos about that far to the south and Lions about thirty miles North.....Florida, its just not like anywhere else.


Seriously, what is not to like about a muzzle loading, cap fired version of the Ithica Auto Burgler with no tax stamp needed?

-kBob

Loyalist Dave
March 22, 2013, 08:34 AM
Well it was designed for big cats, so if you had a loose rhino or elephant, you are only going to make it cranky..., ok so "cranky rhino" is a bit redundant..., but you get the point.

It would be cool to have if I was a civilian living in DC as although the handgun ban was struck down..., getting a handgun is still a long and tedious process there... easier and quicker to get something in black powder. The cost of the Howdah though..., I think I'd rather opt for a CVA SxS and cut it down to something similar to what Mad Max carried, although it would be a caplock version.

LD

Jaymo
March 22, 2013, 06:59 PM
Honestly, I'll take nearly any Pedersoli over any CVA.
I've owned CVAs, and still own a Colonial pistol.
I'm just not impressed with CVAs quality. Their guns tend to be cheap.
Pedersolis are indeed expensive, but they are not cheap.

Besides, the Howdah holds a big payload, hits hard, and is lots of fun.
It's a lot more fun than any other BP gun I own or have owned.

I plan on carrying mine as a backup to my TC .50 Renegade, when BP hunting feral hogs. Hogs get BIG in GA.

rodwha
March 22, 2013, 10:24 PM
How do you/did they carry one loaded safely?

Jaymo
March 22, 2013, 10:59 PM
Triple K makes a holster for it

EljaySL
March 23, 2013, 12:15 AM
I've really had very few problems with tigers since I got this thing. Highly recommended.

PS Part of why it's so fun is that the Pedersoli one can take an absurd load. Good times.

Jaymo
March 23, 2013, 06:14 PM
I've run 60 and 80 grains of ffG plus a .61 RB through mine. Good bit of wasted powder with 80 grains of 2f and a single ball. Probably burn more efficiently with a load of shot or buck n ball.
IIRC, 80 grains is a perfectly safe load for the Pedersoli 20 gauge double, just powder inefficient in the howdah.
Loads of fun, though.
No tigers have successfully boarded my Howdah since I got mine.

EljaySL
March 23, 2013, 10:26 PM
I think I've only gone as high as something like 60 3F. Which is plenty, really.

Jaymo
March 24, 2013, 06:14 PM
60 grains of 3f is definitely plenty. It seems to burn better/shoot harder than with 2f.
80 grains of 2f is just for more fire/smoke.

Deltaboy
March 24, 2013, 06:15 PM
Thanks I been looking at getting one.

Texan Scott
March 24, 2013, 07:49 PM
Having given it thought (relating the idea to my experience hunting with more conventional firearms), I don't believe I'd choose a howdah (or any pistol/ 20 GA) for deer or hog.

HOWEVER, if I were limiting myself to black powder muzzle loaders, especially for hogs, I'd want one of these in .50x20ga as backup for a coup de grace shot or an "I think I just made it angry" shot.

woodnbow
March 25, 2013, 10:46 AM
I think that Howdah would be perfect for those kind of shots Texan... .610 round ball at 700 fps should cool his anger just fine! ;)

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