What gun would you give Bond?


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Billy Shears
March 19, 2013, 03:15 PM
I just watched "Skyfall" yesterday, and it was interesting to see them return Bond to carrying a PPK, even if this one is a "signature gun" that's coded to his palm print, and a .380 PPK/S (the old Bond's gun was a .32 PPK).

But it occurred to me that the only reason to give Bond that gun today is tradition. Like the return of the traditional office for M at the end of the film, with its familiar padded leather door, and Miss Moneypenny as M's secretary, it's just something indelibly associated with James Bond. He carries a PPK and it's part of what makes him James Bond.

But if he were a real agent being armed today with a concealable handgun, it's pretty unlikely that his agency would pick that gun for him, with so many alternative guns on the market today being available which are less expensive, simpler designs, and/or available in more potent calibers. I'm not aware of any agency of any government that is issuing its people PPKs these days.

So, if you were introducing the character today, and nobody had ever heard of him before, what gun would you give him? Bear in mind it does need to be compact and concealable, so full size guns are out. Compact versions of full size guns might be chosen, but seem unlikely to me, owing to how thick through the slide and grip they are, but there might be some that will work. Odds are it would be a gun of European make, but not necessarily. Remember he's a spy, so despite the action you see in the movies, he is supposed to avoid gunfights and maintain a low profile, so the gun should be chosen more for discreet carry than combat. (Bond always had other guns he picked for given missions when he had warning of trouble and needed more firepower anyway.) So how about it? What would you arm Bond with today?

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snakeman
March 19, 2013, 03:18 PM
Kimber solo

Billy Shears
March 19, 2013, 03:33 PM
I have a hard time seeing Bond carrying a Kimber Solo. As I said, an American auto seems less likely, though not impossible, but the reliability issues with the Solo would kill it, I should think. The pistol does not have a good reputation in that department.

Deaf Smith
March 19, 2013, 03:36 PM
First off the PPK's DA trigger is awful. Always has been awful and there is no way to fix it so I sure would not give him THAT gun.

And the .32 ACP round? Heck no. 9x19 at the minimum.

First off it would NOT BE POLYMER. I mean surely Bond one day want's to hand it down to his grandkids, right?

Yea the SOLO isn't bad at all, in fact it's bout the ONLY sub-compact 9mm that has a frame other than polymer (yes I know many subcombact 1911s but they are not in the same concealable class as the Solo.

Reliability? Well I am sure 'Q" would take care of any reliability problems that cropped up.

So I guess it's the Solo!

Deaf

Havok7416
March 19, 2013, 03:37 PM
I think the H&K P7 would be a good fit.

Although I have to add that the PPK WAS in fact used by the British armed forces until very recently. It may not have been used exclusively but it was certainly issued. I even had the chance to talk with several British personnel who confirmed that their PPKs had been worn out. Oddly enough they had Browning Hi-Powers that didn't look to be in much better shape than the PPKs they described.

Bovice
March 19, 2013, 03:39 PM
Bond's return to the PPK actually happened in Quantum of Solace, although it was only used in the earlier parts of the movie. After that, he was using P226s stolen from other MI6 personnel.

Today's Bond would more than likely be carrying a compact sized pistol, or even a full size. A lot of places they'd be operating today are warzones, not cities and metro areas. The cold war is over.

Pilot
March 19, 2013, 03:41 PM
Ian Fleming knew next to nothing about firearms, and really didn't seek any expert help it seems. The PP/PPK was a pre WWII cop's gun, and then more of an officers sidearm during the war. I have a WWII bringback PP in .32 ACP (7.65MM). I really don't enjoy shooting it at all.

The closest thing Bond regularly carried that I would also carry, or recommend anyone carrying, was the Walther P-5 in "Never say Never Again", and the Walther P99 in later Bonds, I believe with Pierce Brosnan.

ZeSpectre
March 19, 2013, 03:41 PM
Walther PPS 9mm (as a logical progression)

Otherwise I'd say maybe a Beretta Nano

OregonJohnny
March 19, 2013, 03:42 PM
Beretta 85FS or Sig 239. Classy, European, attractive, 100% metal, DA/SA like he's used to, and fantastic reliability.

Havok7416
March 19, 2013, 03:43 PM
Ian Fleming knew next to nothing about firearms, and really didn't seek any expert help it seems. The PP/PPK was a pre WWII cop's gun, and then more of an officers sidearm during the war. I have a WWII bringback PP in .32 ACP (7.65MM). I really don't enjoy shooting it at all.

The closest thing Bond regularly carried that I would also carry, or recommend anyone carrying, was the Walther P-5 in "Never say Never Again", and the Walther P99 in later Bonds, I believe with Pierce Brosnan.
Never Say Never Again was not and will never be a true Bond film. It was a remake of Thunderball with a different studio and does not count as an official part of the Bond series.

sota
March 19, 2013, 03:44 PM
if I can pick a modern pistol... H&K P30 :)

Pilot
March 19, 2013, 03:48 PM
Never Say Never Again was not and will never be a true Bond film. It was a remake of Thunderball with a different studio and does not count as an official part of the Bond series.

Don't tell Sean Connery that.

You'll also possibly make George Lazenby cry. :D

Billy Shears
March 19, 2013, 03:50 PM
Ian Fleming knew next to nothing about firearms, and really didn't seek any expert help it seems. The PP/PPK was a pre WWII cop's gun, and then more of an officers sidearm during the war. I have a WWII bringback PP in .32 ACP (7.65MM). I really don't enjoy shooting it at all.

The closest thing Bond regularly carried that I would also carry, or recommend anyone carrying, was the Walther P-5 in "Never say Never Again", and the Walther P99 in later Bonds, I believe with Pierce Brosnan.
Fleming may not have known a lot about handguns, but he gave Bond a PPK because Geoffrey Boothroyd, who most certainly did know a lot about them, wrote to Fleming to chastise him for arming Bond with a .25 Beretta. Boothroyd recommended either a PPK or a S&W .38spl Airweight. Fleming picked the PPK, and in gratitude for the advice, named the character Q "Major Boothroyd."

Remember Bond was a literary creation of the '50s, who made it to the screen in the very early '60s. Think about what was available then. The PPK was as good a choice as any in that era when compact autos could be had in .32 or .380 and that was it, and there weren't all that many of them out there -- the PPK, Mauser HsC, Browning 1922, and not much else. Even compact versions of service caliber guns were almost non-existent. The Commander is the only one I can think of. The PPK was a very logical choice for the time. Even the choice of .32 as opposed to .380 made sense, given that ball ammo was all there was, and there probably wasn't enough difference to matter in their performance.

Today's Bond would more than likely be carrying a compact sized pistol, or even a full size. A lot of places they'd be operating today are warzones, not cities and metro areas. The cold war is over.
Today's Bond would NOT be carrying a full size pistol, except when called for by a specific mission. I repeat, he's a spy, not an SAS operator. For routine wear in places where most people can't go armed, he needs something concealable. The cold war may be over, spying isn't, and being conspicuously armed is a no no most places he'd have to go.

dodo bird
March 19, 2013, 03:58 PM
He's British! They aren't allowed to own guns. That being said . Browning Hi power

Pilot
March 19, 2013, 03:59 PM
Good points Billy, but I will counter that there were better pistols available like the Colt 1908 in .380, or even the 9MM Walther P-38, Browning GP-35 Hi Power, and even the P-08 Luger would have been a better choice for Bond.

If we are stuck with what was available in the 1950's I would choose any of those over a 7.65MM PPK even "with a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window" to quote Maj. Boothroyd. :rolleyes: :D

Havok7416
March 19, 2013, 03:59 PM
He's British! They aren't allowed to own guns. That being said . Browning Hi power
They make exceptions for the spies and soldiers (and some cops).;) Although they don't technically OWN them.

Billy Shears
March 19, 2013, 04:04 PM
Good points Billy, but I will counter that there were better pistols available like the Colt 1908 in .380, or even the 9MM Walther P-38, Browning GP-35 Hi Power, and even the P-08 Luger would have been a better choice for Bond.

If we are stuck with what was available in the 1950's I would choose any of those over a 7.65MM PPK even "with a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window" to quote Maj. Boothroyd.
The 1908 was out of production by then. It was also a single action, which was not preferred. A Hi Power or a Luger would not have been better choices for Bond. They were too big. They are full sized guns. Sure you'd rather have them if you know trouble is coming, but the whole point of a small concealable gun is that it can be carried places where a full-sized gun would be too conspicuous. Again, remember the era -- back then even plainclothes detectives, who didn't really need deep concealment, tended to wear Colt Detective Specials and S&W J frames rather than full size .38s. There were not just fewer options about concealed guns, there were fewer options as to leather as well.

Again, a full size gun is going to be too conspicuous for a guy who is operating undercover most of the time he's out on the job. And this is one part of arming Bond that hasn't changed. If full size guns are so much better, why do most concealed carriers carry compact autos? Most people make the trade off of sacrificing a little size/capacity/controllability for the sake of having a gun that will carry discretely and comfortably, even under light clothing, or when they cannot afford to draw attention to their armed status.

Old Dog
March 19, 2013, 04:08 PM
SIG-Sauer P-228, non-railed of course, with some good Trijicon nightsights ...

TarDevil
March 19, 2013, 04:28 PM
Was my ears playing tricks, or did "Q" say "PPK 9mm?"

Billy Shears
March 19, 2013, 04:32 PM
He said "9mm short" which is another name for .380ACP (9mm kurz; 9mm corto; 9x17mm. etc.)

Fishbed77
March 19, 2013, 04:35 PM
He should be carrying a Walther PPS or Walther P99cAS these days.

Kimber solo

That's just silly. Besides, he needs a gun that actually fires when you pull the trigger.

Havok7416
March 19, 2013, 04:37 PM
He should be carrying a Walther PPS or P99cAS these days.



That's just silly. Besides, he needs a gun that actually fires when you pull the trigger.
He did carry a P99 during some of the Pierce Brosnan days.

RBid
March 19, 2013, 04:53 PM
Quintessential Bond:

- everything around Bond was fast and sexy, from his cars to the Bond girls
- under the playful facade, Bond was purpose driven

Bond needs a firearm with sleek lines, that is as combat capable as he is.


Beretta 92FS compact. Beautiful, concealable, practical, and reliable. It also accepts mags from its full size sibling, which Bond would appreciate.

mach1.3
March 19, 2013, 05:02 PM
SigSauer P228, P229 or P239 SAS versions in 9mm. Elite would befit a master
spy/assassin with a threaded bbl. to boot.

huntsman
March 19, 2013, 05:09 PM
What gun would you give Bond?

A P232 better than the PPK but still has the look

golden
March 19, 2013, 05:14 PM
Actually, in the book, "Dr. NO", Bond was issued a WALTHER PPK in .32ACP and a S&W .38 Special. After that, he just carried the PPK.

The PPK was the only real choice after WWII, when the books were writen.

The excellent pre-WWII pocket guns that were made in the U.S., like the COLT 1903 Pocket Hammerless in .32ACP and the COLT 1908 (the same gun in .380ACP) and the REMINGTON model 51 in .380ACP were all too large for deep concealment and had only a single action trigger. THey were also out of production.

The much more compact and lighter BROWNING 1910 would be a very good pistol for pocket or concealment use, but is also single action and so requres it to be carried with the safety on or with an empty chamber.
They also had the GUTTERSNIPE sights and these do not appeal to everyone.

Not a very appealing situation when you have the WALTHER PPK being as small as the BROWNING 1910 and having a (HEAVY) double action trigger that can safely drop the hammer after the slide has been racked.
Despite that heavy trigger, you can shoot decent groups with a PPK.

The nice looking and sleek MAUSER HSc was likewise out of production and I have read several times, that they were not as durable as the PP series.

The very nice SAUER model 38 was also out of production.

Also, the BERETTA'S were all single action at this time, though the model 70 pistols were slim and light.

Also, all of these guns have poor sights.

The reason, that BOND would carry a .32ACP is that it was the standard caliber in most European countries for police use at that time.
Another reason would be the recoil and also, there was little, if any hollow point ammo available.
The first time, I shot a PPK in .32ACP, the recoil surprised me. It can be a kicker in .380ACP.

Skeeter SKELTON, a very popular gun writer in the 1970's, was one of the few who boosted the PPK pistols for carrying. He would often carry one as a backup instead of a 5 shot .38 Special.


I would think that in real life, today, an agent would want access to several guns. The guns would be chosen based on need. A PPK for pocket or ankle carry and a P99 (or GLOCK 26 or 19, SIG 228 ir 229) when they are in uniform or in a protection detail and covered carry, not concealed is required.

Jim

golden
March 19, 2013, 05:15 PM
I would take the SIG 232 over the PPK, if I were choosing guns made today.

I love the nights sights on it.

Jim

Corpral_Agarn
March 19, 2013, 05:18 PM
I'm thinking 232 Stainless or 239 SAS... they still have the looks and the 239 comes in bigger calibers (9x19, .357 Sig, .40S&W)

I think it would be cool to see Bond with a .357 Sig but then, that's just me... :D

Coop45
March 19, 2013, 05:21 PM
007 doesn't need no stinking 9mm.

Billy Shears
March 19, 2013, 05:22 PM
The PPS is about the best suggestion I've heard so far. A lot of people here are really not understanding the concept of a full size pistol being too big for most of the time Bond would need to carry. By all means, on some missions, when the situation or attire allows, a bigger gun would be preferable, and as I said, Bond actually did that in the movies and the books. (He actually kept a .44 magnum in the glove compartment of his Bentley in the books, IIRC.) But for most places he goes, it has to be something smaller. The PPS is about the same size as the PPK -- only just barely longer, taller and thicker -- and is in a much better caliber for defensive use. Pity it's so damn dog ugly.

Armedleprechaun
March 19, 2013, 05:31 PM
Walther PPQ or Sig M11A1.

rcmodel
March 19, 2013, 05:38 PM
.455 Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver.

rc

Fishbed77
March 19, 2013, 05:42 PM
He did carry a P99 during some of the Pierce Brosnan days.

I'm aware of that. The Daniel Craig Bond carried a 1st-gen P99 in Casino Royale as well.

I just think the compact version (P99cAS) is more appropriate than the full-size P99 for a secret agent like Bond.

The bottom line is that Walther pistols are just synonymous with Bond. To suggest any other brand is just blasphemy.

MasterSergeantA
March 19, 2013, 05:53 PM
Browning Hi-Power...or ASAI One Pro.

Pilot
March 19, 2013, 05:57 PM
With all the technological goodies that Q came up with, I am sure they could have given Bond a way to conceal a Browning Hi Power. They aren't a very big pistol, and with regards to the Colt 1908, who cares if it wasn't in production anymore? I would think the Crown could acquire as many as they wanted. Proper training could overcome the single action requirement, and many carried these pistols in concealment and some still do.

beatledog7
March 19, 2013, 06:01 PM
I think a Beretta 85. An 84 would be too many rounds for Bond, given whatever he carries doesn't run dry.

Corpral_Agarn
March 19, 2013, 06:09 PM
.455 Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver.


That would be super cool! I'm not sure if I see Bond as much of a revolver guy but it would be pretty cool if he busted out the Auto Revolver to blast some bad guys... :cool:

Billy Shears
March 19, 2013, 06:16 PM
With all the technological goodies that Q came up with, I am sure they could have given Bond a way to conceal a Browning Hi Power. They aren't a very big pistol...
Even Q can't make a big gun into a small one. And I know how big I Hi Power is; I carry one. It's significantly bigger than a PPK. It's a full size gun. I can conceal it under most of the things I wear, but occasionally I have to switch it out for my Remington Model 51. Why? Because sometimes I can't conceal it well enough, and I need something smaller. That's what compact guns are for.

How many times do I have to point out that a full size gun is not appropriate here? I'm not sure why some people have so much trouble getting their heads around the concept that a deep concealment gun needs to compact. Think about it: Bond carried a PPK, not a PP, and a PP is a lot smaller than a full size gun like a Hi Power. And the PPK was still chosen over the PP because the PP was not small enough.

Try wearing the tailored suits and such that a man like Bond favors sometime. A full size gun will not conceal as well you think under those, especially when you button up the jacket. If it were that easy to make a big gun disappear inconspicuously, there wouldn't be so many compact guns on the market these days.

...and with regards to the Colt 1908, who cares if it wasn't in production anymore? I would think the Crown could acquire as many as they wanted. Proper training could overcome the single action requirement, and many carried these pistols in concealment and some still do.
Sure they do, but most agencies stopped acquiring single action pistols once double action ones came out. I'm not aware of any SA designs which became a big commercial success after the DA designs debuted. Most armorers prefer DA designs. Any gun issued to Bond would likely conform to that specification. And why would a government buy an out of production design that may have limited support and parts availability when they can buy a current production gun that serves as well and better fits their concept of an ideal carry gun?

snakeman
March 19, 2013, 06:16 PM
Ok ppq!

jim243
March 19, 2013, 07:08 PM
One of the good things about being an old fart, is that you can say you have been there and done that. First Flemming wrote 11 books and 2 short stories (I have read them all in my youth) and there have been 5 additional writters since he died that have made up the 24 + films. And yes I had a Beretta 25, a Walther PPK and an AR-7. One of the first things you learn as a spy is not to carry a firearm, it is the fastest way to give away who and what you are. You should have one in a hidout for emergencies, but you are required to use your brain not your sharpshooter skills to get the job done, intellegence is your task (that's information) not body cournt (Special Ops - Body Count) but MI5 and MI6 are about intellegence (quick in and quick out without letting them know you were there) not special ops (best left to the army with their big weapons).

But since this is all Hollywood and fantasy why not give him a Desert Eagle in 50 AE and blast the daylights out of everything, short of that a Austin Martin with twin 30's, a blast sheald, rockets under the grill, oil slicks from the back and an ejector seat to get rid of the mother-in-law would be acceptable.

Jim

ApacheCoTodd
March 19, 2013, 08:08 PM
PPK
The man knows the gun.
The man knows the round.
The man knows his limitations.
The man knows the combined capabilities.
The man spends inordinate periods at inordinate frequency in tuxedos!
PPK

rcmodel
March 19, 2013, 08:11 PM
The man also spends inordinate periods at inordinate frequency in bed with beautiful women too!

Also a movie fantasy, like his inordinate skill with a PPK.

rc

jeff-10
March 19, 2013, 08:28 PM
As other people stated, a Sig Sauer P239. In 9mm.

golden
March 19, 2013, 08:30 PM
PILOT,

Have you ever fired a COLT 1903 or 1908. The safety lever is VERY SMALL. I have shot several hundred rounds through a 1903 and really like the gun, but the safety worries me. It is very easy to slip off the lever. Not good for a SAVE YOUR LIFE SHOT. It is also much larger than a PPK, I would not consider it for a concealed gun if I had access to a PPK or SIG 232.
It is also heavy, weighing a pound and a half when loaded.

All the other reasons why a non-military, government agency would not buy a USED, OUT OF PRODUCTION GUN should be obvious. They never buy anything used for there own issue. They just don't.

In the novels writen in the 1980's and early 1990's, BOND spends a fair amount of time trying to hide his gun. That was when author John GARDNER had him driving a SAAB Turbo (his own car) and keeping a RUGER Super Blackhawk in a hidden compartment. It was later replaced by a Redhawk. Gardner knew guns.

Later on, BOND carried an H&K P7 squeezer pistol and then a SEVENTREES ASP (a custom made, cut down S&W 39).

In the last book by Jeffrey DEAVER, BOND does not have a gun. He only gets to carry one when on assignment and goes through all sorts of effort to be armed on the sly with a WALTHER PPS.

Most of the time real spies are unarmed. Access to knowledge is their goal, however sometimes not.
The CIA agents sent into AFGHANISTAN, carried AK47's, MAKAROV pistols and in some cases, M-9 BERETTAS.
According to the author of, "THE HORSE SOLDIERS", a history of this campaign by the CIA and SPECIAL FORCES, the CIA guys did not carry enough spare ammo, if any.

For protection details, hiding a gun can be of secondary importance. A friend of mine carries a SIG 228 and when he isdoing protection, often carries an UZI. His agency does not care if you can tell he is armed, as long as it is not out in the open.

Jim

Derry 1946
March 19, 2013, 08:53 PM
Jim234 and Golden nailed it, IMHO. Remember too that the initial conceit in the books was that the tuxedo-wearing casino-dwelling playboy was Bond's cover to infiltrate criminal organizations in the swanky set, not his actual identity. In "real life" he was a functionary, a career civil servant. George Smiley is closer to reality, but makes for more modest box office. Bond is the lucrative franchise. But in his playboy disguise, it's hard to imagine he would be armed. As for what gun he might have squirreled away for a rainy day, a 1911 would present a viable combination of hideability, semi-concealability, reliability, ease of finding ammo and smithing, durability, etc. As for what looks good being drawn from Armani, I still think the PPK has it.

huntsman
March 19, 2013, 09:04 PM
The man also spends inordinate periods at inordinate frequency in bed with beautiful women too!

Also a movie fantasy, like his inordinate skill with a PPK.

rc
Ah but perfect fantasies for a teenage lad :)

Billy Shears
March 19, 2013, 09:27 PM
As for what looks good being drawn from Armani, I still think the PPK has it.
Actually, Bond would have favored British suits. He would have worn something from Anderson Sheppard, Gieves & Hawkes, Kilgour, French & Stanbury, or one of the other Saville Row tailors. Connery's shirts, when he played Bond, came from Turnbull & Asser.

A lot of Bond's bon vivant lifestyle came from Ian Fleming's own experience -- his family had some money, and that's how he himself lived. He also put in something of his own experience in British intelligence during the war, with a extremely healthy dose of dramatic license. Apparently even Bond's initial .25 came from that; apparently he carried one in Spain during the war (and never had to use it, pretty obiously).

But again, for a modern update, the PPS is so close to the PPK's dimensions, I think it would be the best update; they're almost exactly the same size.

Thompson9494
March 19, 2013, 09:53 PM
From what I've read so far I've gathered that Bond's gun needs to be:

Concealable but not Tiny
Sleek and sexy
Reliable
European

So I'll throw the CZ 75 Compact stainless steel (or nickel) into the mix. It's classically European, is small enough to conceal, but powerful enough to stand up in a gun fight, is flashy with the stainless or nickel, very reliable and something I could see Bond carrying. I'm sorry but I cannot see Bond carrying a Kimber or a 1911 of any kind. He can pick one up off a dead guy and shoot a few more henchmen with it but Bond's gun has to be something else, just my opinion. 1911 is still a fantastic firearm but it is not a Bond gun.

Captain33036
March 19, 2013, 09:58 PM
Whatever Bond carries has to be classic and iconic. Think Rolex and Omega watches.

A couple members have already mentioned the incomparable, SIG P228. Now updated (and quite a bit more costly) as the M11A1 (marketing genius).

VA27
March 19, 2013, 09:59 PM
It's modern, it's small, it's European...it's the ZVI KEVIN in 9mmMak! It's built under license in the USA as the Micro Desert Eagle.

I wish they would make a few in Mak for the US market...and go back to the ZVI slide design. It looks better to me.

bayesian
March 19, 2013, 10:00 PM
I've got a strong Walther bias going so I'll have to go with the PPS, but I'll assume that the appropriate modifications have been made to the trigger to make it Bond level (I am not quite sure it is that out of the box).

Still, the PPK remains a sexy gun in the way that neither the PPQ (a gun that I love) nor the PPS (a gun I own...) is.

Derry 1946
March 19, 2013, 10:08 PM
Billy- Yes, Bond would indeed have favored Savile Row, although in the sad sad 1970s Roger Moore days, Armani would have been a distinct improvement over the dreaded leisure suit.

hariph creek
March 19, 2013, 10:24 PM
The PPK fit, in it's own time.

Nowadays? Needs to represent a certain amount of status. Can't be poly and/or cheap. Probably should be some sort of European flavor.
H&K P7
or...
Sig P239
Both are sexy, sophisticated and effective enough. In a reasonable sized package.

Also for when he just can't carry a gun...SEECAMP!..., either caliber. While not European, it is dead sexy.

jim243
March 19, 2013, 10:32 PM
As for what looks good being drawn from Armani, I still think the PPK has it.

+1^^^ The PPK just looks right in a tux at a baccarat table eveything else is just a GUN (too common).

el Godfather
March 19, 2013, 10:39 PM
I would second the H&K P30.

Close second would be H&K P9s

Third choice would be Walther P99 in .40

DrDeFab
March 19, 2013, 11:03 PM
I'm going a different direction: Rohrbaugh R9 (http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/node/9).

At least it LOOKS British...

REJones
March 19, 2013, 11:39 PM
I think a modern agent for the SIS wouldn't carry a gun when working under non-official cover. For a British subject to be armed in any venue screams "government agent." That said, given Bond's military background I suspect he'd likely pick a P226 (L105A1 in UK service). The P226 would be something the local intelligence section could secure easily and something 007 would have trained on in the military. The Browning Hi Power (L9A1) might get the nod for similar reasons. For missions requiring more deniability the ubiquitous Glock 19 or 17 are the perfect choices - ammo and parts everywhere and could have been purchased anywhere. Glock would likely manufacture a special run without serial numbers for select government clients as well.

25cschaefer
March 19, 2013, 11:52 PM
I say a Bohberg XR9, it's as small as most 380 pocket pistols but has a 3.35" barrel and is chambered for 9mm (+P). It would also look awesome with a suppressor. It's new, American, and cool, all good things for a movie gun.

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0166/4838/products/Platinum_websstore_large.jpg?239

tarosean
March 20, 2013, 12:18 AM
The Walther/S&W PPK... might as well update the looks and add something shiny.. Course the million and one roll marks would have to go.

Stringfellow
March 20, 2013, 12:31 AM
To me the PPS would be the clear choice for Bond in the movies, because to me it is the clear modern successor to the PPK in every way.

If we have some creative freedom here, I would say that Q would have gotten a hold of a Lightweight Hi Power, had it cut down Detective style, given it a melt job on controls, and then issued it with thin grips. This would be a high capacity pistol that is barely over an inch wide, and about 22 ounces or so. And it would be cool in a classy way that poly pistols can't touch.

welshdude
March 20, 2013, 12:38 AM
Nah, you're ALL wrong. Bond would have a Seecamp .380 or a Rorbaugh R9 w/a shoulder rig w/2 extra mags on the non-draw side. Vertical holster. You're welcome. :D

Bobson
March 20, 2013, 12:39 AM
SIG P229 Elite would be just about perfect. Well, almost as perfect as the PPK.

bannockburn
March 20, 2013, 06:14 AM
A Kahr MK9 Elite, Boberg XR9-S Onyx, or Rohrbaugh R9s, from that former British colony across the pond, would serve Bond extremely well.

hariph creek
March 20, 2013, 08:00 AM
The R9 does seem pretty fitting.

SharpsDressedMan
March 20, 2013, 08:38 AM
If you research the books, Ian Fleming started with the Beretta .25, probably the early 318 or 418 Bantam or Panther. His thoughts were a tiny, covert weapon with detachable silencer for discreet assassination. When consulting Major Boothroyd, a well respected British arms expert in England, Boothroyd expressed disdain over such a weapon with litttle "knockdown". I think the breakdown in communication started right then. If an agent was to smuggle a weapon into a country to aid his spy duties, and occasionally be called upon to snuff an enemy agent or political target, it would have to beat a border or airport search. Admittedly, times have changed on that, and nowadays we know more about how real agents operate, and what weapons work, and few if any agents would ever be routinely carrying guns or smuggling them. The concept of a small weapon able to be smuggled, and adequate at contact distance for a quiet kill makes the Beretta possibly better that the original S&W Centennial that Boothroyd suggested, or the PPK they compromised on. Boothroyd was thinking fighting pistol; Fleming was thinking assassination pistol. HOWEVER, the ppk had been used by the CIA in Europe, probably because it was a quality pistol found most everywhere there, and not necessarily associated with the CIA or allies. Simple logistics. Disclaimably not a US or Brit weapon, and uses common 7.65 ammo. Better guns? If we forget about unrealistic "run and shoot 50 bad guys" scenarios made famous by the movie franchise, and start thinking close quarters, against the head type shots, we get closer to 1950's spy techniques and weapons, which is where Fleming wanted to take us. All that aside, my PPK .32 is extremely accurate, and as dependable as I could ask for. A double "O" agent could do a lot worse, and can you imagine Bond carrying that little Webley .32 auto? .........

gopguy
March 20, 2013, 09:38 AM
Walther PPS 9mm. Flat, accurate reliable.

Fishbed77
March 20, 2013, 10:02 AM
I've got a strong Walther bias going so I'll have to go with the PPS, but I'll assume that the appropriate modifications have been made to the trigger to make it Bond level (I am not quite sure it is that out of the box).

He could go with the P99cAS and have a sexy gun with a great trigger out of the box.

gripper
March 20, 2013, 10:18 AM
Another vote for the PPS. Or.....wild card....a Stetchkin APS with the high impulse ammo :-)

Gordon
March 20, 2013, 10:27 AM
Glock 26 with a threaded barrel.:)

jhvaughan2
March 20, 2013, 11:18 AM
.455 Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver.
rc

Only if half-naked and with a pony-tail and bushy mustache.

RedBowTies88
March 20, 2013, 11:24 AM
Anyone who thinks it would be anything other then a PPS is clearly smoking something :D

pockets
March 20, 2013, 11:33 AM
Read a few of the first books for a better sense of James Bond. Daniel Craig pulls the original Bond off very well. Quite 'Hoagy Carmichal-ish' as he is described in every early book.
Bond carried many different guns and often just used whatever he had at hand. His first two kills were: #1 with "a couple of Remington thirty-thirty's with telescopic sights and silencers", #2 was with a knife.
In 'Casino Royale' (book #1) he carried a Beretta (418 most likely), a ".38 Colt Police Positive with the sawn barrel", and a .45 in the Bentley's glove box.
Most of the time Bond used whatever was handy. He tended to grab his opponents gun and use it..or not use a gun at all. He used a Sterling SMG some in 'Moonraker' even (book #3).
He wasn't issued the .32 PPK until Book #6 ('Doctor No'). But...at that same time he was also issued a .38 Smith & Wesson Airweight snub.

IIRC: James Bond movies hold the record for product placement. I'm sure S&W/Walther had more to do with the newly issued PPK/s, than fan sentiment. Just like that bottle of Heineken beer in 'Skyfall'.....or the bottle of 'Red Stripe' back in 1962/3 when the movie 'Doctor No' came out.

460Kodiak
March 20, 2013, 11:42 AM
Sig Sauer P229 Stainless Elite, or Beretta Steel I.

jim243
March 20, 2013, 12:12 PM
Earth to THR, earth to THR are you there. While back in the 60s & 70's I was one of the biggest Bond fans out there, we have progressed to the 21st Century. Bond would not be the same carring a Sig or H&K or even a Glock.

This is an English gentelman that appealed to the snob appeal in all of us. Coming from a modest background, educated at Eaton serving in the Royal Navy Resurve (Lt Commander no less) and on the top of MI6's agent list. (007 lower numbers were all dead or retired)

I doubt that he wore any shirts that cost less than $150.00 each, I don't even want to guess at what his suits cost, Don Perigon to drink, Baluga Caviar for a snack (even back then it was $100.00 per oz), Austin Martins to drive, Harrods for a friendly card game, Vodka Martinis to drink and a $5,000 Rolex watch to top it off. And you want to give him a Glock!!! An H&K maybe.

The thing that burns my toast is that EVERY actor (7 of them) that played Bond is an ANTI-2A that advicates gun control, including my favorate Sean Connery.

Me I'll watch the Bourne trilogy before I will watch another Bond movie.
Jim

Billy Shears
March 20, 2013, 01:15 PM
The thing that burns my toast is that EVERY actor (7 of them) that played Bond is an ANTI-2A that advicates gun control, including my favorate Sean Connery.

Me I'll watch the Bourne trilogy before I will watch another Bond movie.
Jim
You do realize Matt Damon is more politically liberal than all the Bond actors put together, and a supporter of gun control laws? He's said "I actually hate guns. They freak me out."

rodinal220
March 20, 2013, 02:06 PM
H&k p7

Stringfellow
March 20, 2013, 02:42 PM
The thing that burns my toast is that EVERY actor (7 of them) that played Bond is an ANTI-2A that advicates gun control, including my favorate Sean Connery.

Me I'll watch the Bourne trilogy before I will watch another Bond movie.
Jim
You do realize Matt Damon is more politically liberal than all the Bond actors put together, and a supporter of gun control laws? He's said "I actually hate guns. They freak me out."

Did we really have to go there again? Keep in mind that gun control advocates are the vast, vast majority of the rest of the world. Being that Bond actors come from the "rest of the world" their position on firearms should be no surprise.

That said, damn, no takers on my Lightweight Detective Hi Power...? ;)

SharpsDressedMan
March 20, 2013, 04:57 PM
I have a promo photo of George Lazenby wielding a SIG P210. Now THAT is class! Do we know for sure that George is anti-gun? The SIG may have been his real life preference. In the meantime, we can still be assured that Fleming was, and thus the REAL Bond, was/is pro gun.

460Kodiak
March 20, 2013, 05:07 PM
What about a real high end Knighthawk Custom 3" 1911? That would do in my mind.

3GunEric
March 20, 2013, 06:34 PM
Sig P239

Kiln
March 20, 2013, 06:40 PM
First off the PPK's DA trigger is awful. Always has been awful and there is no way to fix it so I sure would not give him THAT gun.

And the .32 ACP round? Heck no. 9x19 at the minimum.

First off it would NOT BE POLYMER. I mean surely Bond one day want's to hand it down to his grandkids, right?
Bond is British. So he only gets to keep his gun until he stops working for the government there.

hso
March 20, 2013, 07:22 PM
I would say that Q would have gotten a hold of a Lightweight Hi Power, had it cut down Detective style, given it a melt job on controls, and then issued it with thin grips.

Which is exactly what I had done and is now my carry pistol. :D


Buuuuuut, it is a custom handgun and therefore too easily identified with the person carrying it for any plausable deniability.

spm
March 20, 2013, 09:01 PM
007 doesn't need no stinking 9mm.
+1
Give him the Walther PPK in .32acp. He's James Bond, for crying out loud. He doesn't need anything else.

Stringfellow
March 20, 2013, 09:44 PM
Quote:
I would say that Q would have gotten a hold of a Lightweight Hi Power, had it cut down Detective style, given it a melt job on controls, and then issued it with thin grips.

Which is exactly what I had done and is now my carry pistol.

Wow hso--I think this deserves a picture!!! I think I talked it up so well, that I talked myself into wanting one! ;)

lechiffre
March 21, 2013, 06:12 AM
I have a promo photo of George Lazenby wielding a SIG P210. Now THAT is class! Do we know for sure that George is anti-gun? The SIG may have been his real life preference. In the meantime, we can still be assured that Fleming was, and thus the REAL Bond, was/is pro gun.


Legend has it that George Lazenby spent some of his "down time" on the sets in Switzerland throwing his empties in the air and trying to shoot them with a "9mm Luger" (possibly the P-210 he is pictured with)


As for the modern 007 he should drop the PPK in favor of ...............


a PPK-L 7.65mm , or a PPS 9mm

acftmech
March 21, 2013, 09:48 PM
I agree with Walther PPQ!

481
March 21, 2013, 10:50 PM
Bond is most assuredly English so he needs an English pistol.

If it were left to me, I'd arm him with the-

http://orygie.ru/1287717053.jpg

Webley Scott semi-automatic pistol, calibre 9mm Browning Long, Model of 1909

click clack
March 22, 2013, 12:07 AM
Sig P232.

helitack32f1
March 22, 2013, 12:46 AM
I would give him something new and advanced and different than anything else out there so everyone who saw it would say "Hey, what the heck is that?" And it would be a gun so advanced that it has advanced beyond the constraints of old world metal. In other words, it would have a polymer frame.

It would be this: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/03/22/arsenal-firearms-strike-one-pistol/

wild cat mccane
March 22, 2013, 01:14 AM
Well, he carried a PPS .40 in the last book...so...

bill3424
March 22, 2013, 02:11 AM
An HK P7 would be pretty cool. Or a Walther PPK .22...lol.

460Kodiak
March 22, 2013, 11:33 AM
Buuuuuut, it is a custom handgun and therefore too easily identified with the person carrying it for any plausable deniability.

It's James Bond..... no plausable deniability is needed because he never fails!!!! It's the same with Jason Bourne, Macgyver (though he was so good he needed no gun), Batman (yes, prior to 1939 Batman carried a pistola), and if we're talking real people, obviously Chuck Norris would have no need for deniability.

herkyguy
March 22, 2013, 01:59 PM
let's get crazy.

.22LR. suppressed.

http://www.ruger.com/products/2245ThreadedBarrel/models.html

deltapoint reflex sight.

X-Rap
March 22, 2013, 02:03 PM
I'd have to go with one of those sleek compact beautys from HiPoint

huntsman
March 22, 2013, 04:09 PM
let's get crazy.

.22LR. suppressed.

http://www.ruger.com/products/2245ThreadedBarrel/models.html

deltapoint reflex sight.
If going that route then it needs to be a Beretta 87

Paladin7
March 22, 2013, 04:33 PM
Great thread...!

As luck would have it, I just saw Skyfall last night and was thinking the same thing...

I'm thinking H&K P7, unique, classy and better than that damn PPK.

It's tough to watch Bond have to reload when he's getting shot at, but glad they included the re-loading scenes for realism...much appreciated!

SharpsDressedMan
March 22, 2013, 04:46 PM
obviously Chuck Norris would have no need for deniability.
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chrisheile
March 22, 2013, 10:00 PM
I loved the way Skyfall brings the whole James Bond story back to the beginning again. It was nice to see the little Walther but I'm thinking CZ P07.

TCBPATRIOT
March 22, 2013, 10:46 PM
How about a carcal in the compact version. But truthfully speaking I think a spy that carries all the time really isn't that great of a spy to begin with

SharpsDressedMan
March 22, 2013, 11:10 PM
If the Cold War was still in effect, I'd give him a Makarov just to confuse the Reds! A true agent is supposed to be anonymous and blend in. As soon as the enemy know who you are, you are pretty much screwed.

Havok7416
March 22, 2013, 11:59 PM
How about a carcal in the compact version. But truthfully speaking I think a spy that carries all the time really isn't that great of a spy to begin with
You take that back! James Bond is the greatest spy to ever live!;)

1858
March 23, 2013, 12:13 AM
I'll agree with others who have suggested a SIG P239. Great lines, extremely reliable and very accurate and the SAS Gen 2 version has an attractive and functional "melt" treatment. Bond seems to use a shoulder holster for the most part so he could probably conceal a P239 quite well.

http://thr.mcmxi.org/pistols/sig/p239/photos/sig_p239_04.jpg

1858
March 23, 2013, 12:18 AM
Me I'll watch the Bourne trilogy before I will watch another Bond movie.
Jim

Don't forget the fourth movie "The Bourne Legacy" which is excellent. The connection between the fourth movie and Bond is Rachel Weisz ... she's married to Daniel Craig.

And what is it about the intitials JB?

James Bond
Jason Bourne
Jack Bauer

SharpsDressedMan
March 23, 2013, 08:35 AM
Don't for get another JB. ....... John Boy.

CornCod
March 23, 2013, 12:43 PM
Hi-Point .380........just kidding!

460Kodiak
March 23, 2013, 04:56 PM
obviously Chuck Norris would have no need for deniability.

You know I really don't know why I even mentioned Chuck Norris. He wouldn't carry a gun, since he can kill stuff just by looking at it too intensly.

I heard Steven Segal tried to fight Norris once, and upon entering the room, he just burst into flames.

Rubber_Duck
March 23, 2013, 08:23 PM
I vote for either an HK P7 or a SIG Sauer P228. Classy, sophisticated, very accurate and very reliable.

Catpop
March 23, 2013, 09:10 PM
I vote for the Ruger LCP! Made in America, by Americans with LIBERTY and justice for all. Probably the only the only nation to still have the constitutional right to keep and bear arms (despite what the socialistic democates continue to try to do)--Something the English subjects can only dream of because they laid down and allowed their rights to be stripped away
Never forget how Amercia was founded, by who and for what reason. Seems like the subjects could take a lesson or two from us including which gun to use in their movies.

Bobo
March 23, 2013, 10:15 PM
Another vote for the very sexy Boberg XD9-S

http://api.ning.com/files/mg8cXbDxQOHcQV-b3mDzB3TZOnzo16S3K3s0oHCnrTR8BzRo5FdcAHoojnA09j5YCKTTgm3BRHdprodE*7rsMxVyF-1OrS4M/production_XR9S_3256.jpg

Bobo

KenW.
March 23, 2013, 11:14 PM
Colt New Agent. Or if that's too big, a Mustang.

barnbwt
March 24, 2013, 01:51 AM
Five-seveN; worked great for Sam Fisher :D

TCB

hentown
March 24, 2013, 08:27 AM
G26 with f.a. conversion selector.

Derry 1946
March 24, 2013, 10:48 AM
Connery uses a DS and a 1903 Pocket Hammerless in YOLT. Still serviceable and stylish today.

WinThePennant
March 24, 2013, 11:23 AM
Easy.

If they were to continue with the Walther line, then it would have to be a Walther PPS in 9mm.

If they were to arm him with something that is beautiful and has a little bling to it, then it would have to be the Sig Sauer P229 Stainless Elite in 9mm.

Nothing else seems to make any sense. Walther PPS makes the most sense.

Storm
March 24, 2013, 11:54 AM
Walther PPS. Otherwise, a P99 Compact. Had the compact existed when they switched to the 99 I would bet they would have gone with the compact.

TriTone
March 24, 2013, 01:43 PM
A classic Beretta Model 21A, blued steel with original wood grips. Q has provided upgraded ammunition that explodes like a pen-bomb when the bullets hit their target. Bond has to be Bond and I'm a sucker for old school cool.

:) :)

jp0319
March 25, 2013, 06:20 AM
both the Walther PPS and H&K P7 M8 would be solid choices for 007, but given the regular usage or need for a suppressor I'd go with the HK 45 ct, it's compact enough to conceal, ultra reliable, and suppressor ready.

Other less known but no less attractive options are; the Detonics combat master, the S&W ASP, or the Rohrbaugh R9


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OilyPablo
March 25, 2013, 06:49 AM
I'm thinking 232 Stainless or 239 SAS... they still have the looks and the 239 comes in bigger calibers (9x19, .357 Sig, .40S&W)

I think it would be cool to see Bond with a .357 Sig but then, that's just me

239 SAS in 357Sig was my first thought.

evan price
March 25, 2013, 06:51 AM
Sig 290.

herkyguy
March 25, 2013, 08:41 AM
just watched Skyfall last night and saw the biometric grip on his walther. made me laugh how Uncle Joe said that was on his agenda for all handguns.

BigDaddyNEB
March 25, 2013, 04:19 PM
Bond carries a Walther PPS in Jeffrey Deaver's Carte Blanche, the newest book out.

Storm
March 25, 2013, 04:53 PM
While I think that the PPS is the logical choice I would also consider the Walther PP Super. It's pretty much the endpoint in PP/PPK development. The Super is basically a PP on steroids. The 9x18 Ultra (Police) adds an added kick and a cool name. Yes, ammo availability locally could be an issue but Q is well aware that in a pinch .380 can be used reliably. It's old school enough to be appeal in a retro sense and is dead sexy and more than a bit exotic.

Besides, I own one:)

Certaindeaf
March 25, 2013, 05:05 PM
Colt Python. You always gotta throw a piece a crap in the ditch to throw the scent.

Pilot
March 25, 2013, 05:40 PM
Pistolet Makarov. The ultimate in "plausible deniability". Everything the PP or PPK should have been but wasn't.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff380/minirawr8/makarov.jpg

I like the HK P7 suggestion too.

Certaindeaf
March 25, 2013, 05:52 PM
Woodsman. they all good

Bill4282
March 25, 2013, 07:36 PM
Govt contract guns, low bid - Bersa Thunder

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