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Mustang51
March 19, 2013, 07:59 PM
I know this is going to drive some collectors up the wall, but here goes...

Last year I glommed a beautiful Persian Mauser that someone had drilled and tapped. I knew it had no collector value, but it was priced accordingly and I was interested in using in the "open" class at a military silhouette match that my sons and I shoot in.

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/persiansniper.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/persiansniperb.jpg

Understand that I couldn't do this to a unmolested mil surp myself. Since someone else had already done the dirty work, I could not restrain myself. I finally used it in a couple of the matches and the Persian did pretty well.

Ever since I found this one, I've wanted an Argentine Mauser in the same condition. Well, today I glommed the Ayotollah's South American cousin at an on-line gun auction...Argentine Modelo 1909

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Argentinesniper_zps8ad1abb3.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Argentineasniper_zpsa82be883.jpg

Hoping that this is as good a shooter as the Persian. Better pics when it arrives.

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stan rose
March 19, 2013, 08:21 PM
Beautiful rifles. Good luck with it.

303tom
March 19, 2013, 08:58 PM
I like it...............

akv3g4n
March 19, 2013, 09:32 PM
Both are nice looking rifles but I do hate when people alter a historical piece like that. Anyway, as you said you didn't do it and they are your rifles to enjoy. Might as well make the best of it. Hope the new one shoots as well as it's cousin.

Liberty1776
March 19, 2013, 09:49 PM
doesn't bother me at all - I'd love to find one like it, for a fun shooter. (I won't despoil a pristine one...)

threefortyduster
March 19, 2013, 09:51 PM
What's the travesty? Shooting a gun? I think some people need to rediscover the reason guns are produced...

rszwieg
March 19, 2013, 09:59 PM
I have Persian like that. The sights are getting harder to see as time goes on.

Mustang51
March 19, 2013, 10:00 PM
What's the travesty? Shooting a gun? I think some people need to rediscover the reason guns are produced...

A lot of collectors, myself included, do not like to see a nice military rifle modified.

As I said, I wouldn't do it myself and luckily I found one that had already been modified.

I love shooting these rifles in the silhouette matches, along with my unmolested ones. Here is a picture of the silhouette range where my sons and I shoot them.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/Targets/workpics013-1.jpg

jim243
March 19, 2013, 11:47 PM
That is a beautiful rifle, you lucky dog. Just remove the rail, insert blued tap screws and reinstall the rear sight.

Many people would give their right arm for something that nice.

Jim

Black Butte
March 20, 2013, 01:12 AM
The previous owner should be drilled and tapped.

Mustang51
March 20, 2013, 01:18 AM
These came from estate sales...I'm afraid the previous owners are beyond any earthly justice

Shadow 7D
March 20, 2013, 05:55 AM
Remember back 'in the day' these were sold out of barrels to people who couldn't afford a remchester hunting rifle or a 1903.....

But be glad they weren't bubba'd (got a 1894/16 swede Mauser in a cut down stock... you don't want to guess what it would cost to restore (metal is 100%) the complete stock alone will set you back most of what a remchester costs....

josiewales
March 20, 2013, 09:17 AM
The previous owner should be drilled and tapped.

:) I agree to a certain extent. I would not drill and tap a wonderful rifle like that, but if I bought it already drilled ant tapped I might put a scope on it. It is already altered from the original firearm so the scope would be just one more, relatively small, alteration. One thing I will NEVER do ( exept maybe to a mosin) is sporterize or put a laminate stock on a milsurp. NOT happening.

Mustang51
March 21, 2013, 12:08 PM
I'm no fan of D&T'ing a nice surplus rifle, and would never do that myself, but I do have a use for these.

I've attached the match results from last month's vintage military rifle match. If you scroll down to the "open prone" class, you can see the Persian ran with the best of the other military rifles...beating a number of K31's, Swedish Mausers, and M39's, all of which were also scoped. These are the cream of the crop in accuracy in surplus rifles and the Persian bested them. Ultimately I lost in a shoot off with a buddy who was shooting a scout-scoped Swedish M38, but only after each of us shot 10 rounds. And only then, when the match director had us start shooting off hand.

Ultimately both my buddy and I were beaten by a scoped Finnish 28/76 target rifle.

I hope the Argentine does as well.

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Feb2013Match-page-001_zps7465c551.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Feb2013Match-page-002_zpsb599dee9.jpg

JTW Jr.
March 21, 2013, 01:31 PM
The way I see it , someone pays for it with their money , its theirs to do whatever they want with , doesn't matter how rare or historical it is , for anyone else to tell you what you can do with it is ridiculous.

What's the travesty? Shooting a gun? I think some people need to rediscover the reason guns are produced...
agreed 100%. I would rather seeing them being used, than sitting in a safe. :)

Mustang51
April 12, 2013, 08:56 PM
The scoped '09 Argentine arrived at my FFL today and I got a chance to look at it before it went into his safe for the 10 day "cooling off" period.

In great condition, very nice bolt turn down and stock cut out for the bolt handle, Bore is sharp and shiny, bluing is excellent. Everything matches down to the cleaning rod.

I hate to say it, but it looks like someone took an "unissued" 09 Argentine and drilled and tapped it.

Better pics when it gets out of jail.

303tom
April 12, 2013, 11:48 PM
The scoped '09 Argentine arrived at my FFL today and I got a chance to look at it before it went into his safe for the 10 day "cooling off" period.

In great condition, very nice bolt turn down and stock cut out for the bolt handle, Bore is sharp and shiny, bluing is excellent. Everything matches down to the cleaning rod.

I hate to say it, but it looks like someone took an "unissued" 09 Argentine and drilled and tapped it.

Better pics when it gets out of jail.
Were looking forward to it...............

mgmorden
April 13, 2013, 12:02 AM
Both are nice looking rifles but I do hate when people alter a historical piece like that.

I once thought like that. Then I realized that most of these are anything but rare. Its actually more of a travesty to alter an actual sporting rifle from the same period as those generally are a lot less common.

Unless it is a particularly rare model of note, there's no shortage of them - modify as one wishes.

meanmrmustard
April 13, 2013, 04:45 AM
The way I see it , someone pays for it with their money , its theirs to do whatever they want with , doesn't matter how rare or historical it is , for anyone else to tell you what you can do with it is ridiculous.


agreed 100%. I would rather seeing them being used, than sitting in a safe. :)
I'd rather they be in a safe than being tampered with, molested, and ultimately devalued by someone trying to scope a milsurp.

Plenty of 91/30s to deface, no really good reason to do it to the finer specimen of the world other than "its mine". Sheesh.

Jason_W
April 13, 2013, 07:21 AM
I see nothing wrong with using an old military surplus rifle as a base for a custom rifle as long as the work is done by someone competent.

Unless there is something about a particular rifle that makes it exceptionally rare and valuable, it's still just a utilitarian tool that was mass produced during a time of war.

doubleh
April 13, 2013, 09:58 AM
I've always felt that when I purchase something it's mine to with as I please. It's not that I would alter something that is rare but if I wished to it would be my business alone because I own it.

Mustang51
April 13, 2013, 10:30 AM
Frankly, I'm not sure what was in the mind of the people who drilled and tapped either of these rifles.

They are still in their military stocks with handguard, which is unusual for a sporting rifle. The barrels are over 29" long, which doesn't make much sense for a sporting rifle. The Persian is in 8 x 57 and the Argentine is in 7.65 x 53, neither one of which is a particularly popular sporting cartridge. Both of these rifles started out on the expensive end of the military Mauser spectrum and sold to me for not much more than the gunsmithing must have cost.

Unless the previous owners wanted a scoped military rifle for competition in the "open" class, like I do, then these rifles really don't make much sense.

But they serve my purposes splendidly :D

JTW Jr.
April 13, 2013, 05:57 PM
I'd rather they be in a safe than being tampered with, molested, and ultimately devalued by someone trying to scope a milsurp.

Plenty of 91/30s to deface, no really good reason to do it to the finer specimen of the world other than "its mine". Sheesh.

When someone plunks down their own cash to buy something , nobody else has a right to tell them what they SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do to it. They buy it , they can do what they want.

meanmrmustard
April 13, 2013, 08:22 PM
When someone plunks down their own cash to buy something , nobody else has a right to tell them what they SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do to it. They buy it , they can do what they want.
If folks want to polish turds, deface history, make silk purses, or devalue rifles that have seen wars, traveled thousands of miles in the hands of a brave soldier, or traversed decades or even centuries of time in shooting condition...who am I to say no?

DMK
April 13, 2013, 09:03 PM
At least the stocks, barrels and hardware are unmolested. Still pretty rifles.

Mustang51
April 13, 2013, 09:13 PM
As I said, I couldn't do this to an otherwise unmolested rifle, but since someone else had, and I had a need for exactly these kind of rifles...why not?

I mounted a Bushnell Elite 10x40 scope on the Persian and am very happy with it.

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Target%20rifles/006-2.jpg

I've got another Bushnell Elite 10 x 40 and intend to mount it on the Argentine.

TIMC
April 13, 2013, 11:20 PM
SOme people just put too musch stock in leaving old rifles as is. I have very few guns that have not been tweeked in one way or another.

I have a K98 with a reproduction scope, mount and sitting inside the stock is a Timney trigger. You don't think a German sniper in WWII wouldn't have done the same thing to improve it if he could have? You better know he would! Don't worry about it, put some nice glass on it and have some fun!

Mustang51
May 4, 2013, 12:05 AM
I picked up my new Argentine drilled an tapped rifle the other day from my FFL. It is in outstanding condition...both wood and metal and the bore is also outstanding.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/f4e6da1c-1fd1-4b48-bae0-47a336aa2aea_zps954713af.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/65afa562-bb61-43b5-9ac9-e83eb6c0dfd2_zps74c14766.jpg (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/Calfed/media/South%20American%20Mausers/65afa562-bb61-43b5-9ac9-e83eb6c0dfd2_zps74c14766.jpg.html)
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/c774bb21-0817-46a2-8c56-9d20b60d7a25_zpse01f3f14.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/954d5e70-9550-4b61-a152-cb962abb7185_zpsde150884.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/9e59c58a-e0ab-4894-87da-e1ea1c3bd96f_zps7083a8f0.jpg

tahoe2
May 4, 2013, 12:27 AM
Sweet rifles Mustang !! this is just me being jealous :evil:

Mustang51
May 4, 2013, 12:36 AM
Thanks, t2

I've got another Bushnell 10x40 Elite that I'm putting on the Argentine.

tahoe2
May 4, 2013, 01:20 AM
that Argie in 7.65x53 ! I really want one of those, the last one I saw was $650 and I was laid off so it was a no go.

Mustang51
May 4, 2013, 01:47 AM
yep...still in the original 7.65x53

RPRNY
May 4, 2013, 05:44 PM
Love them both!

Here's my Persian carbine, slightly more modified by Bubba's older and wiser cousin Earl: ;)

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa272/LRDG/Turkey/Persian%20Mauser%20Carbine/persianmauser1.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/LRDG/media/Turkey/Persian%20Mauser%20Carbine/persianmauser1.jpg.html)

docsleepy
May 5, 2013, 05:57 PM
I'm glad to see that some people have something better to do with their time than to criticize others for what they did with their own property. I personally wouldn't re-work a very valuable and rare specimen of history (I do re-work a couple of the 40,000,000 Mosin Nagants produced!) but if all one has left to do in this world is waste precious breath and seconds complaining about others who are using their time and heartbeats to actually DO something....that's sad for them. Then again, perhaps that's what they WANT to do with some of their remaining hearbeats, and so have at it! But I won't join you.

TCB in TN
May 5, 2013, 10:18 PM
Today the cheap milsurps are mostly gone, and there is a wide range of cheap production rifles available. The first center fire rifle I bought myself was a sportered 1917-3006. I got it for less than 1/2 what I could have bought a Remington or Ruger production rifle. It had already been drilled and tapped for a scope, but had I bought it w/o that I would have had it done. It shot good, but not great and after a couple of years I let it go and got my Ruger M77 that I thought was so pretty. (Wish I had kept the old 1917, and come to think of it, would like to still have the old M77.... anyway).

Many look back on these guns as collectors pcs, and some are, but many were and are just shooter quality rifles, and personally I would rather see any good old pc of steel being used (not abused).

foghornl
May 6, 2013, 07:59 AM
Darn good looking shootin' irons.

I prefer to keep my Mil-Surps as issued, but as you stated, the dirty deeds had already been done. If those shoot well for you...WAHOOOO! just some added bennies. {LARGE grin}

Mustang51
May 6, 2013, 11:13 AM
Thanks, guys.

Great looking rifle, RPRNY. What length is the barrel now?

I shot my Persian again last month and won the "open category" with it (38/40). I'm sure hoping that my Argentine is as good.

RPRNY
May 9, 2013, 10:23 AM
It's still the original 18" flamethrower barrel. I have been trying slightly faster powders to mitigate the unburned amount creating mini-Hiroshima effects.

Mustang51
May 9, 2013, 10:42 AM
I have an Iranian made M49 with the 18" barrel and the muzzle blast is a thing to behold. Mine has been lightly sporterized...as best I can tell, Bubba only filled in the sling cut out in the butt. Everything else looks original.

Savage99
May 9, 2013, 11:49 AM
While I can appreciate someone wanting to collect old military guns that are still original that's what we do and did to the cheap obsolete guns.

They have no other practical use other than collecting. I read someone shoots them in matches. We do have matches here for the military rifle but they shoot the latest one.

Here is a picture of one from above. The only thing of real quality or a good finish is the mount itself! At least now a good sight could be put on the rifle.

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/persiansniperb.jpg

Mustang51
May 9, 2013, 12:04 PM
While I can appreciate someone wanting to collect old military guns that are still original that's what we do and did to the cheap obsolete guns.

They have no other practical use other than collecting. I read someone shoots them in matches. We do have matches here for the military rifle but they shoot the latest one.

Here is a picture of one from above. The only thing of real quality or a good finish is the mount itself! At least now a good sight could be put on the rifle.

I'm afraid I can not agree with much of what you have posted here, 99

Many shooting clubs, mine included, have vintage military rifle matches where the latest rifles are not included. Many clubs also have "open" or "optics" categories for vintage military rifle matches and that is what these rifles are being used for.

As for your "The only thing of real quality or a good finish is the mount itself!" comment...opinions vary as to the quality of old Mauser rifles. Many people believe that Czech and German made Mauser rifles (like these) from the early 20th century were some of the highest quality bolt action rifles ever made.

tahoe2
May 20, 2013, 01:58 AM
I have many old Mausers from various countries, and while some are better than others, a couple are way more accurate than they should be ( pitted barrel, 1" @ 100 yds, iron sights). they are from a time when men crafted them, instead of machines pumping them out. I got nothing against technology, you can get some very fine rifles today. But I still like and prefer "the oldies but goodies".

Mustang51
May 24, 2013, 10:58 PM
I finally got a scope mounted on my Argentine Mauser. I ended up needing some higher rings for the scope that I mounted.

I'm hoping to get to the range next week and shoot it.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/d5bce580-b455-49a9-a5e4-83c169e89a8d_zps1ef7cc0d.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/76f42944-de04-45d2-81df-2223e4ffe13d_zpsc5e7fe59.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/bec5ca4c-faa7-48da-aa2d-27922710f508_zps1f55bbc3.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/f1a0e427-c5ef-4455-8e7a-99d26eb89865_zpsaec3d338.jpg

Mustang51
May 26, 2013, 04:13 PM
Here are the Mausers in match shooting trim...

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/fc9c0cdd-8fef-4e66-a148-b6cbfc290340_zps2e51e32b.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/South%20American%20Mausers/79238a13-b64b-45da-8cdd-3396500ae0dd_zps333f531a.jpg

Mustang51
May 30, 2013, 08:04 PM
I got to the range for a quick session. I got a chance to fire a few of my rifles, including the scoped Argentine. I didn't have any time to reload for the 7.65 x 53, so I shot 5 Prvi Partizan 174 gr's and 5 Norma 150 gr's at 100 yards off a sandbag front rest. The Argentine liked the Normas pretty well...

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/Targets/a4c65acd-0268-4b38-92a8-d75218656d80_zps2bd9ef71.jpg

Was so-so with the Prvi...

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/Targets/03cf2469-8b0c-400a-bdfc-99660efbb627_zps226507da.jpg

I think I can do better with some reloads.

Ignition Override
May 31, 2013, 01:48 AM
What were called cheap, obsolete guns decades ago, such as Enfields now sell for about $300-400 in good, original condition.
My gun buddies never give a second look (or offer) to those with modifications to metal components.

People are free to continue sporterizing and kill the value all they want to.
Admittedly some had suffered damage during very amateurish work and had nothing to lose by adding some skilled work.

I bought two #5 "Jungles" and four typical #4s in order to admire the classic military styling and use them. This is where the true character and appeal are found.

Mustang51: That's a beautiful classic and excellent shooting.

Mustang51
May 31, 2013, 02:14 AM
Thanks. Override

I also brought the Persian Mauser and had a few 8x57 reloads leftover from the last match. Also at 100 yards...

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/Targets/11bee4c4-f7b6-44f4-b810-db10b5e794cf_zpsdcdf65de.jpg

I think that the Argentine, with a good load, will keep up with the Persian

Manny
May 31, 2013, 08:53 AM
Wearing my coke bottle progressive lense glases the only way I can even begin to shoot many guns to their and my potential is with optical help. As long as the work is done properly I have no issue at all with modifying milsurps for better fit, function and effectiveness. I would agree that rare versions are best left to collectors, but thses rifles tended to be made in mass quantities, so there are usually plenty to go around.

While I'm a huge history buff and love the products of earlier times that doesn't mean they were perfect and with no room for improvement. Especially when those products are used as they were origionally intended and not merely kept for occasional fondeling. The armies and soldiers that used those weapons modified them in their origional time periods with optics and in other ways for better function. To continue to do so now is no problem in my IMHO. I'm a big fan of the sniper type matches that are springing up for these scoped old timers and had I the money I'd be on the prown for a good rifle to set up with a scope to participate my ownself.

As to the OP, those are two beautiful rifles and the optics instal was well done. A successful update IMO. Looks like they shoot pretty good to. The "bubba-izing" made them more not less desirable in my eyes and I bet they're alot of fun to shoot. It's good to see those old war horses given new life.

Mustang51
May 31, 2013, 05:04 PM
Thanks, Manny

I have examples of both these rifles unmolested. But as you say, as we age, it becomes harder and harder to shoot iron sighted rifles accurately.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/09Argy4012-1.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/001-5-2.jpg

I've wanted to shoot in the "open" category of our club vintage military match for some time, but refused to drill and tap my rifles. It was a relief to find these after someone had already drilled and tapped them, so I didn't have to feel any guilt. They were also substantially cheaper than the original condition rifles.

Both the Persian and the Argentine drew quite a bit of interest at the range yesterday.

CraigC
May 31, 2013, 05:22 PM
It's a rifle, not a priceless historical artifact. They were sold by the thousands and for cheap. Many of them are still cheap. While collectors may see a valuable rifle to be kept indefinitely in its original form, lots of other folks see them as the basis for a hunting rifle or a full custom. The bottom line is they are the property of their owners to do with as they see fit. My purchase of an old sporterized Mauser last year did not go so well but I would still like to find one either already sporterized, or a nice original to do myself. Like it or not, it's not really any of your business. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to collect a bunch of these rifles and never shoot them but I don't condemn those that do. We all must do what pleases us in this life because we're not here for long.


They are still in their military stocks with handguard, which is unusual for a sporting rifle.
Yet totally serviceable.


The barrels are over 29" long, which doesn't make much sense for a sporting rifle.
I've been hunting with a 33" barreled muzzleloader for 5yrs. One I have ordered is 34" and my next will be a custom as long as they can make it.


The Persian is in 8 x 57 and the Argentine is in 7.65 x 53, neither one of which is a particularly popular sporting cartridge.
The 8x57 is an excellent sporting cartridge and I bought ammo for mine at the local pawn shop. It was easier to get ammo, brass, dies and bullets than for my new .250Savage.


Both of these rifles started out on the expensive end of the military Mauser spectrum...
At one point they were a cheap surplus rifle.


...for not much more than the gunsmithing must have cost.
Let me know where I can find Mausers that will cost no more than it would to drill and tap four holes. I'll buy all I can.

docsleepy
May 31, 2013, 06:44 PM
"It's a rifle, not a priceless historical artifact. They were sold by the thousands and for cheap. Many of them are still cheap. While collectors may see a valuable rifle to be kept indefinitely in its original form, lots of other folks see them as the basis for a hunting rifle or a full custom. The bottom line is they are the property of their owners to do with as they see fit"

Boy, do I agree!

My much-"molested" Mosin has done all kinds of wonderful things for me.
It was made in the middle of WWII, probably NOT with that stock, or even that bolt (handwritten numbers) and certainly not with the accoutrements I received with it.

I learned how to shorten a barrel, and recrown a barrel -- accuracy went way up.
I learned how to mount a scope -- my ability went way up
I learned how to stiffen the barrel with a galvanized water pipe -- groups REALLY shrank!
Redid the stock to allow a "foot" for a Rock BR front rest (haven't stained that yet)
Now this $120 relic can reliably hit orange clays at 300 yards, time after time! When I first started, we aimed at a 8.5x11 sheet of paper at 100 yards and hit it ONCE out of about 10 tries.

It is a cheap rifle, made in the millions upon millions, parts scattered all over, and now I'm taking the skills I learned from it and helping as many as a dozen people who are entering our sport. Thank goodness we have liberty to learn from our property!

Mustang51
May 31, 2013, 07:29 PM
You know, Craig, you should really try to come down off your high horse.

Like it or not, it's not really any of your business.

I never claimed it was my business, nor suggested that someone could not do what they want with their own rifle. Talk about straw-man arguments.

I said I could not do that to one of my rifles.

I've been hunting with a 33" barreled muzzleloader for 5yrs. One I have ordered is 34" and my next will be a custom as long as they can make it.


Maybe it escaped your notice that neither one of these Mausers are muzzleloaders.

The 8x57 is an excellent sporting cartridge and I bought ammo for mine at the local pawn shop. It was easier to get ammo, brass, dies and bullets than for my new .250Savage.


No one said it wasn't an excellent cartridge. I said it wasn't a very common cartridge...and that is a very different thing. And comparing one uncommon sporting cartridge to an even more uncommon sporting cartridge really doesn't say much.

At one point they were a cheap surplus rifle.

And now they are not.

Let me know where I can find Mausers that will cost no more than it would to drill and tap four holes. I'll buy all I can.

Both rifles required drilling and tapping, included bases and rings, and had very nice professional looking bolt turn downs. Around these parts that would come to around $200.

I got this one for $260, plus a 15% buyer's premium. As I said, not a lot more than the cost of the gunsmithing.

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/persiansniper.jpg

CraigC
May 31, 2013, 07:46 PM
You know, Craig, you should really try to come down off your high horse.
Pot, meet kettle. :rolleyes:

Mustang51
May 31, 2013, 08:04 PM
Pot, meet kettle.

Oh, brother...

P5 Guy
June 1, 2013, 11:29 AM
I am here to say go for it, that just makes the other unmolested rifles more valuable.

Mustang51
June 4, 2013, 03:36 PM
I got to the range today and shot a few handloads through the scoped Argy...

174 gr .311 SMK's @ 100 yards...5 rounds with varying loads of 4320

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/targets/8be30f93-2509-4822-b796-8f19b207de50_zps45d860ce.jpghttp://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/targets/907de929-2214-40a9-8dda-b562c1dd872e_zpse7b7ae70.jpg

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/targets/7c1c6ef4-a882-48e6-b891-16132cc2ecad_zpsf54cee88.jpg

It looks like this one will keep up with the Persian.

herrwalther
June 4, 2013, 04:15 PM
I am not opposed to modifying a classic firearm. But do it in accordance with the technology at the time ie not putting a Leupod scope on a Mosin Nagant.

Vette
June 4, 2013, 04:39 PM
Old surplus military firearms are like old classic cars. Any old fool can restore one , but it takes a real man to chop one up!

CraigC
June 4, 2013, 04:57 PM
And IMHO there is nothing better than an old car with a modern EFI V8, air conditioning, four wheel discs and independent suspension. Same deal here, a proper sporter stock, bolt knob modifications, trigger work and receiver sight or scope makes these rifles much more usable.

PabloJ
June 4, 2013, 05:55 PM
To me it's just Zbrojovka Brno military contract Mauser. Some people collect stuff like this. At Gunboards Forums there are specific sections dedicated to such.

PabloJ
June 4, 2013, 05:59 PM
Now if this was done to vintage Mauser-actioned stacking rifle by James Purdey, London I would bellow like little child.

jimmyraythomason
June 4, 2013, 06:18 PM
I would bellow like little child. Why? Bellowing about a rifle that one will never own,never handle,never even see other than maybe in a picture or never even know about it's existence if not told about it,seems like an exercise in futility.

jimmyraythomason
June 4, 2013, 06:24 PM
Old surplus military firearms are like old classic cars. Any old fool can restore one , but it takes a real man to chop one up! True,since we all know Detroit ALWAYS does it right and doesn't leave any room for improvement! (sarcasm off now) :rolleyes:

CraigC
June 4, 2013, 11:40 PM
I like that Mustang and a "Pro-touring" setup is what I was thinking about. ;)

Mustang51
July 11, 2013, 10:58 AM
Continuing to refine a load for this rifle. Made a quick trip to the range yesterday to do some test firing...this was my best load.

@100 yards, about 1".

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/db62bda5-a2f3-434a-97a4-72c5587098d1_zpsc4c86468.jpg http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/e488cf43-4288-4bb4-8877-ef0f96b66b8f_zpsbbcefe86.jpg

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