Hornady 22 cal bullets


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geist262
March 20, 2013, 12:01 PM
I just bought hornady bullets for my AR. I didn't notice untill I got home that they are .223. Can I use these? The box says .223 45 grain hornet.


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geist262
March 20, 2013, 12:07 PM
By looking at my manuals, I don't think so. If you know differently, let me know. Thanks.


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Walkalong
March 20, 2013, 12:17 PM
You can use them. Accuracy will probably be just fine. Make sure you have good neck tension. They are intended to be shot in a few old .22 Hornet rifles with a .223 groove diameter, such as the Savage 23D. I knew Sierra made some like that. I did not know Hornady did.

rcmodel
March 20, 2013, 12:29 PM
Two potential problems you might run into.

1. The smaller diameter bullet will not have as much case neck tension to prevent bullet movement in the case during feeding in an AR-15.

2. If you have a fast twist barrel and drive them fast, they may blow up in the air on the way to the target.

They are designed for a 1/14 twist at 2,500 FPS.
Not a 1/7 at 3,600 FPS.

rc

geist262
March 20, 2013, 12:31 PM
It's a 1:9 twist. I am going to try and take them back.


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45lcshooter
March 20, 2013, 02:30 PM
No. .223 bullets are made for hornet. Always for ar-15 or a .223 caliber rifle use .224 bullets. So many times people get it confused. But that's why we are here to educate the up and commers and even the old timers.

Good luck bud.

scottishkat
March 20, 2013, 05:37 PM
You can use them. Accuracy will probably be just fine. Make sure you have good neck tension. They are intended to be shot in a few old .22 Hornet rifles with a .223 groove diameter, such as the Savage 23D. I knew Sierra made some like that. I did not know Hornady did.
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You will probably need a different sizing ball for your die set. All the .224 bullets are manufactured to certain tollerances if you measure with a caliber that measures to 4 decimals they vary in diameter. All 22 caliber rifles of recent manufacture are .224.

Walkalong
March 20, 2013, 05:42 PM
Yep, all .22 caliber calibers are .224 these days, but .001 just ain't that big a deal. The bigger potential problem is the one I forgot to post and rcmodel covered it. :)
2. If you have a fast twist barrel and drive them fast, they may blow up in the air on the way to the target.

They are designed for a 1/14 twist at 2,500 FPS.
Not a 1/7 at 3,600 FPS.

Lizard1911
March 20, 2013, 06:18 PM
Quote:
2. If you have a fast twist barrel and drive them fast, they may blow up in the air on the way to the target.

A little voice in my head asked "How is this a bad thing,ever?"

rcmodel
March 20, 2013, 07:49 PM
A little voice in my head asked "How is this a bad thing,ever?" Well, assuming most people want to hit what they shoot at?

A grey streak of lead vapor halfway to the target means you aren't going to hit anything at all.

Because the bullet blew up before it got where you pointed it.

rc

FROGO207
March 20, 2013, 08:07 PM
If they don't take them back there will be a few that will buy them for use in the old style hornet rifles. Or you could load them light and shoot them and see how it goes.:)

jim243
March 20, 2013, 08:22 PM
RC I am ashamed of you (LOL).

Geist, NO do not use them, you are correct they are for the 222 hornet. AR bullets are .224 diamiter not .223 They may touch the line and groves (lead expands when heated) and depending on the twist rate you have on your AR they may just break up coming out of your barrel. the 45 grain bullets will work with a 1:14 or 1:12 twist rate, but your neck tension on the .223 bullet will be too light and most likely will give you bullet set-back and blow up your gun.

Jim

ridgerunner1965
March 20, 2013, 08:34 PM
ive used them years ago in 223 bolt rifles.they seemed fine as far as accuracy.ive never used them in my ar but i would not hesitate too.usually i use 55 grn tho for all my rifles in 223.

jim243
March 20, 2013, 08:58 PM
Ridgerunner, you used .223 bullets instead of .224 for your 223 Rifle??


Jim

geist262
March 20, 2013, 09:02 PM
I took them back. I felt it wasn't worth the risk. The shop wasn't too happy, but I didnt catch the .223 until I got home. Thanks for the advice guys.


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afponiky
March 20, 2013, 09:06 PM
Good call Geist262!

If your going to do it, do it right.

Nice to see someone asking and making the right decision!


AF ;)

mwsenoj
March 20, 2013, 09:10 PM
How many did you buy? if a bunch, you could have snatched out 5 pills to shoot a group. Maybe left a buck in the bottom of the bag if they didn't perform and then taken them back.

Walkalong
March 20, 2013, 09:33 PM
The shop wasn't too happyThey thought they had finally sold that oddball box of bullets. ;)

geist262
March 21, 2013, 04:05 PM
Good call Geist262!

If your going to do it, do it right.

Nice to see someone asking and making the right decision!


AF ;)

Thanks AF


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geist262
March 21, 2013, 04:07 PM
They thought they had finally sold that oddball box of bullets. ;)

Yeah, I think your right. LOL. The quest for suitable projectiles continues. I cannot find anything to load for 223. I have all I need except bullets. Crazy!


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XD 45acp
March 21, 2013, 08:41 PM
Geiist..PM sent

afponiky
March 21, 2013, 08:43 PM
Geist, check your PMs....

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