Epitaph for the Assualt Weapons Ban


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Captaingyro
March 21, 2013, 07:02 AM
This appears today in the Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323419104578372520754709976.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

If the link doesn't work because of the Journal's pay wall, Google "a defeat for demagogy."

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kyhunter
March 21, 2013, 07:08 AM
First of all Lupica is an idiot plain and simple. His argument clearly shows that he is uneducated in the most basic firearms. Second of all I keep hearing of this imploding bullet... What was she referring to exactly. I know it was a dumb statement and they dont "implode" but what type of round was she trying to claim imploded?

cfullgraf
March 21, 2013, 08:20 AM
With Bloomberg and Biden still pushing for the assault weapon ban, do not erect the grave stone yet.

bds
March 21, 2013, 08:50 AM
Remember, we are not in a short fight but a protracted war.

Do what you can to support NRA build a war chest (http://www.nrastandandfight.com/video/cpac-2013-wayne-lapierre-speech) and vote pro second amendment candidates to win this war - http://www.nraila.org/

This war is far from over.

We shall never give up ... our guns.

statelineblues
March 21, 2013, 09:28 AM
Remember, we are not in a short fight but a protracted war.

I agree - the AWB will continue to resurface again and again...

Ryanxia
March 21, 2013, 10:11 AM
I think more than anything right now we need to focus our efforts on the "universal background check", make sure our representatives know we won't tolerate this. This will do more harm to our Second Amendment Rights than an AWB.

longknife12
March 21, 2013, 10:41 AM
This was only round one.........be careful folks. It's not over yet!
Dan

TenDriver
March 21, 2013, 10:52 AM
This wasn't Round 1. Round 1 occurred before 1994. We lost that one. This remains Round 2. This round will continue indefinitely.

I hate to sound defeatist, but as society continues to slide further left, we may ultimately lose the fight. We have too many kids being raised in a cradle to grave society and the belief that government's job is to keep us safe and provide for us will only grow. If the November elections weren't an eye opener I don't know how else to convince you. Further, gun rights continue to be tried in the court of public opinion. This is where it is up to each of us to show we are good stewards of the Second Amendment. We must speak properly and factually. We must break the toothless redneck / crazy militia-ist persona that many anti-gun folks have of us. The better face we can put on gun ownership, the more allies we will have.

I frequent a couple of lib Facebook pages and drop a few bombs on them every once and a while. The language too many of the posters on our side use is harsh, foul, and enhances the stereotype the antis there have of us. We must do a better job policing our own ranks or we will ultimately lose the fight.

tyeo098
March 21, 2013, 11:04 AM
The bill that ONLY contained the AWB is dedsies.
Remember that the AWB '94 FOLLOWED THE SAME PATH.
It was then offered up as an amendment to another bill and PASSED.

This is NO time to celebrate. If anything, we should be MORE afraid since this is the SAME thing that happened in '94!!!

Trung Si
March 21, 2013, 11:16 AM
This war is far from over.
Please Remember That!!!!!!!!!!!:cuss:

RetiredUSNChief
March 21, 2013, 12:06 PM
Don't be too quick to sound "Taps" over this. It's far from over.

Keep up the good fight!

:):)

GlowinPontiac
March 21, 2013, 12:21 PM
Second of all I keep hearing of this imploding bullet... What was she referring to exactly. I know it was a dumb statement and they dont "implode" but what type of round was she trying to claim imploded?

I bet she was either referring to frangible rounds that "explode" (disintegrate) on impact or she was referring to HE rounds like 20mm and 40mm which are not available to the public anyways.

She just isn't smart enough to know the difference between implode and explode!

Queen_of_Thunder
March 21, 2013, 12:31 PM
To quote Admiral Ackbar " It's a trap!"

DennisG1946
March 21, 2013, 12:40 PM
Queen of Thunder I agree, it's a trap. I just joined today so I'll be brief. I understand that this can be offered as an amendment to the bill and it requires only 50 votes to pass. In case of a tie, plugs Biden casts the tie breaker. It was being discussed last night on the local talk/news station. Keeps Harry Reid "safe" with the NRA since did not allow it in the bill but it may come up as an amendment. FWIW. Good grief.

coolluke01
March 21, 2013, 12:42 PM
I liked that article. I remember when Michael Jackson was acquitted. Public opinion was that he was guilty and should be (insert terrible punishment here). A good friend of mine pointed out that we should be glad our justice system didn't respond in an emotional way. They may have gotten it wrong, but only because they couldn't prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. That was a victory for our system.

The same for the "assault weapons ban" The fact that it was defeated in the face of emotional outcry is a testament to the the system. It is sad so many were persuaded by emotion. That is the reason we have the Bill of Rights. A protection against emotion and political pandering.

481
March 21, 2013, 01:00 PM
With Bloomberg and Biden still pushing for the assault weapon ban, do not erect the grave stone yet.
Yep.

I took a little time off (a day) from letter writing (more of a break than a celebration), but this development just makes me wanna write/call my elected reps more than ever before.

They'd better listen to us or they'll be out of a job darned soon.

Captaingyro
March 21, 2013, 07:00 PM
The way to beat down this anti-Second Amendment movement is to make the Democrats understand that it's a loser for them. If they are pummeled in next year's election to the point that they lose their majority in the Senate, and lose additional seats in the House, they might get the idea (at least for one or two election cycles) that gun control is a hot potato they don't want to pick up.

If, on the other hand, the Democrat's head into Obama's last two years in control of the Senate, we'll probably trade at least one elderly left wing vote on the Supreme Court for a young, healthy one, and God forbid that one of the sane justices dies. Then we'd be faced with the inevitable demise of gun rights in this country.

To win next year's election is going to take dedication, and lots of money. 2014 is an election that can make or break the Second Amendment.

Captaingyro
March 21, 2013, 07:10 PM
I understand that this can be offered as an amendment to the bill and it requires only 50 votes to pass. In case of a tie, plugs Biden casts the tie breaker.

This scenario only applies to the Senate, where the leadership didn't think they could even get forty votes for an AWB. In the unlikely event that the Senate passed an amendment, the bill would still have to make it through the Republican-controlled House, and that won't happen.

Though I wholeheartedly agree with those who say this is a protracted war, the AWB as it is presently conceived is almost certainly dead. Even Feinstein is saying as much.

MAKster
March 21, 2013, 09:02 PM
Some people don't seem to be able to accept victory. There will be no assault weapons ban. There will be no high cap magazine ban. There will be no ban on ammo. Some people on this board actually seem disappointed that we prevailed.

Justin
March 21, 2013, 09:11 PM
It ain't over 'til the Fein woman screams.

Keep calling your legislators, people.

alsaqr
March 21, 2013, 09:20 PM
Thuis is round three. Round two happened in 2004 when the US congress refused to extend the AWB.

The anti-gun, anti-self defense blissninnies are having convulsions with the realization there is little chance of an AWB this year.

tekarra
March 21, 2013, 09:25 PM
There is still a long way to go. It is a hydraheaded monster.

19-3Ben
March 21, 2013, 09:28 PM
We must break the toothless redneck / crazy militia-ist persona that many anti-gun folks have of us. The better face we can put on gun ownership, the more allies we will have.

I frequent a couple of lib Facebook pages and drop a few bombs on them every once and a while. The language too many of the posters on our side use is harsh, foul, and enhances the stereotype the antis there have of us. We must do a better job policing our own ranks or we will ultimately lose the fight.

YES!!!! HUGE+1.

There are so many of us that represent us terribly, it makes me ashamed. The better we dress, more intelligently we speak, and more factually base our arguments, the better off we are.

61Woody
March 21, 2013, 09:33 PM
Some people don't seem to be able to accept victory. There will be no assault weapons ban. There will be no high cap magazine ban. There will be no ban on ammo. Some people on this board actually seem disappointed that we prevailed.

The most dangerous statement of belief I have ever seen on here.This not close to being over.

MAKster
March 21, 2013, 10:01 PM
Harry Reid said the AWB would get less than 40 votes in the Senate. 60 votes are needed for passage in the Senate. There is zero chance the bill will even be debated in the House. That's as dead as you can get.

bds
March 21, 2013, 10:12 PM
But I am worried about what HAVE passed already and what CAN pass in the future.

We must not only work to prevent any future anti-gun bills but work on REVERSING the ones already passed.

While I am grateful of this "battle" victory, we cannot and must not rest as this war is far from over.

BSA1
March 21, 2013, 10:15 PM
The AWB is a Red Herring.

Senator Feinstein is no fool. She is very shrewd and cunning. She knew before she introduced the AWB it was d.o.a. With the bill being pronounced dead both sides can claim victory...Feinstein on principle of trying to save the children, pro 2A on protecting the Constitution.

She is counting on majority of gun owners believing the threat is over and quit paying attention to Congress.

As already commented on a weapons/magazine/ammunition ban is far from dead and more dangerous than before as now it can be added to a bill the Republicans will be hard to vote against such as a defense spending bill.

Ignition Override
March 21, 2013, 10:40 PM
Johnny Dollar:
Let's continually spread your comments on every known US gun website and the downward slide in gun (and ammo) prices would accelerate.
Last night "Ammoman" had about six rifle and three types of handgun ammo.

But many people always look for a reason to be anxious.
It is so profitable if it is promoted far and wide-at least for a while......until the sellers become anxious to dump their goods.

SabbathWolf
March 21, 2013, 10:48 PM
I agree with you 100% Makster.This whole thread reads like MacBeth! :D

There will be no bans.I said it 2 months ago at 3 to 1. It's over. Be happy.It's a victory over these vermin.

But our words will go for naught. The shrillness,like Celine Dion, will go on. :scrutiny:
LOL...
I'm a happy camper right now and I understand completely why you are too.
I sincerely doubt anybody here is unhappy that we succeeded in stopping this frontal assault for now.

I think they are just reminding people that you still have to watch your flanks and rear too.
Sometimes it's a lot easier for a very small team to penetrate your lines covertly than it is for a battalion to attack you head on. Just because you won a specific battle, that still doesn't mean you are now safe to pull all your guys in from the LP/OP's and stand everybody down from guard duty.

Once you get cocky and lose focus, bad things can still happen. Just ask Custer.

;)

Flopsweat
March 22, 2013, 02:39 AM
I doubt that the more calculating of our opponents ever expected an AWB to pass. The real goal has to be universal background checks, which today have a lot more support than an AWB. I said this before and I'll say it again: If/when nothing passes, Obama will make a grand speech about how the Evil Republicans have once again blocked him at every turn and they just don't care about our children. Then he will do exactly what he told us he would (for once) and use executive power and regulations (BATFE, EPA, whatever will do the most damage) to infringe on our rights as much as he possibly can.

So no, it's not over by a long shot.

SabbathWolf
March 22, 2013, 03:02 AM
Sabbath and Spawn, Johnny Custer :D gives you the ops. No UBC,.no.Mag limits, no nada. You name the price..1.will.get you 2. You can join my AWB losers in the corner! :D Your call. ;)
LOL...

OK then. You go dance in the streets and worry about gambling.
If you are right, then awesome.
Meanwhile, a lot of the rest of us will still be watching this stuff at both Federal and State levels because it's important to us.

kwguy
March 22, 2013, 03:13 AM
The UBC is insidious. Here's my question: Have they even talked about implementation yet? I mean, will it be like "lets go to the local FFL and have them do and NICS check for a fee, with no record in the bound book"? or something else? Anyone seen anything?

Elkins45
March 22, 2013, 09:53 AM
Some people don't seem to be able to accept victory.

Google "hubris" and you'll find my thoughts on this sentiment. This was a skirmish, not the war. The upcoming months are even more dangerous. Feinstein's over the top ban was written before Sandy Hook ever happened (she admitted as much) and the rest of the antis are using it as a stalking horse to provide cover for all the incremental amendments they will attach to other bills.

If they really cared about public safety they would allow private buyers to do a voluntary "self-check" through NICS and print a certificate with a QR code allowing private sellers to see they aren't a prohibited person. If such a system were available I would make use of it as a private seller. But we all know public safety isn't the real motive here...

kwguy
March 22, 2013, 11:23 AM
There is no "winning" this, and then calling it "done". It will continue to be a fight, and it will never end. Quite frankly, this is a fight that we have been losing since the beginning of the last century, if you take a look at what we have given up in terms of the 2nd Amendment (Sullivan, NFA, 1968 GCA). Those are all losses. We have to fight to make sure those losses don't continue, let alone to regain what we have ALREADY lost.

Just sayin'...

Texshooter
March 22, 2013, 01:21 PM
to be writing epitaphs on anything.

Keep calling, keep emailing, keep mailing, keep texting your Sen, Reps on all levels.

This will not be dead until we kill it, bury it, dig it up, kill it again harder and then spit on its grave.

Push harder NOW.

Texshooter
March 22, 2013, 01:26 PM
But I am worried about what HAVE passed already and what CAN pass in the future.

We must not only work to prevent any future anti-gun bills but work on REVERSING the ones already passed.

While I am grateful of this "battle" victory, we cannot and must not rest as this war is far from over.
Exactly right.

In my communications to my Reps I have also requested repeal of the NFA & GCA.

Make them prove to us how they can fight crime by making criminals of honest citizens.

SabbathWolf
March 22, 2013, 04:12 PM
Just as I expected. Big hat. No cattle! :D
And I don't worry about gambling, Wolf,I win at gambling because I pick the props.

Your prop is a loser. Keep watching,Eagle Eye. ;)
MAKster and I will be right. You'll be at the Optometrist for eye strain. You'll have some company! :what:

I'll save that first dance for you when ALL the evil Schumer,Feinstein,et al proposals go down in flames.

If you'll have me! :cool:


Whatever you say......:rolleyes:

mrvco
March 22, 2013, 04:23 PM
Don't confuse winning a battle with winning the war.

hso
March 22, 2013, 06:41 PM
NY

CO

??

The fight isn't over just because AWB 2013 was denied a floor vote. Senator Reid has promised a ban on "assault weapons" and a ban on magazines will appear as amendments to a comprehensive bill including universal background checks, added penalties for "trafficking", magazine capacity restrictions, etc. While an AWB amendment is likely to be voted down as part of that comprehensive bill it will still receive a vote in the Senate.

As to the House of Representatives, they are unlikely to pass any form of a ban. Without such legislation passing the House there will be no bill to be signed by POTUS.

BUT, as we've seen in NY and now in CO the Anti President, VP, Senators and other Antis like Mayor Bloomberg are now focusing on local and state pressure to pass bans into law. This part of the chess game can be terribly damaging as part of an overall campaign. What happens when there are more states with bans in place and the balance of power in Congress shifts further in favor of the Antis? If states have bans it makes it easier to sell the same bans in Congress if the balance of power shifts for the Senate and the House.

Our goal should be to replace the vulnerable supporters of these bans and replace them with people that either outright support the 2A or are wise enough to at least refuse to vote for bans. If we do this we can demonstrate the peril to the Anti politicians of attacking law abiding Americans and their RKBA.

Owen
March 22, 2013, 06:51 PM
Johnny Dollar, how many decades is your wager good for?

76shuvlinoff
March 22, 2013, 09:51 PM
36 years ago my coach always said stay low with your feet apart and chopping.

They will keep coming just from another angle.

mastiffhound
March 23, 2013, 12:08 AM
They are just playing at back-dooring us by adding the AWB as an amendment on a different bill like they did in 1994. It isn't over fellas.

ICE1210
March 23, 2013, 12:28 AM
The only sensible AWB epitaph: "I'll be back".

JTHunter
March 23, 2013, 01:13 AM
I don't think it is "over" either.
Whether or not Feinstein is a cunning old fox is immaterial. As long as the Democratic Party continues to exist in its current form, the Constitution will never be "safe".
Remember this quote by C. S. Lewis ("Alice Through the Looking Glass"):

“Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.”
:cuss::banghead:

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