Newbie question about 9mm ammo


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Mikey2201
March 21, 2013, 01:24 PM
Can you use 9mm luger is a gun ( beretta M9A1) that says 9mm parabellum on the side of it. and vice verses.

thanks
Mike

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holdencm9
March 21, 2013, 01:25 PM
Yep.

9mm Luger = 9mm Para = 9x19mm = 9mm nato

Just do not get it mixed up with any 9x17mm (.380 Auto) aka 9mm short or 9mm kurz.

Newcatwalt
March 21, 2013, 01:27 PM
Yes. 9mm Luger and 9mm Parabellum are synonymous.

pistolpositive
March 21, 2013, 02:25 PM
just watch out about 9mm short (:

1KPerDay
March 21, 2013, 02:35 PM
The only time it's potentially messy is if you happen upon some "9mm Br. C" ammo/brass (S&B marks their .380s thus). (which stands for 9mm Browning Court--short--which is the same as .380 ACP, or 9x17mm)

Otherwise, Mike, as noted, any 9mm Nato/9mm Luger/9mm Parabellum/9x19mm should be good to go, unless it specifically says anything like +P+ or "submachine gun" anywhere... there have been some really hot 9mm rounds intended for subguns that you shouldn't really shoot in your handgun. But they're not particularly common.

Mikey2201
March 21, 2013, 02:55 PM
Thank you I just wanted to make sure.

Outlaw Man
March 21, 2013, 03:19 PM
I know the question has been answered, but I'd like to throw in 9mm Largo as one to watch out for. Seeing that big "L" can trick you sometimes.

oneounceload
March 21, 2013, 03:37 PM
don't forget about b9x18, aka Mak;
can't use that in a 9x19

Havok7416
March 21, 2013, 03:44 PM
And you can't use 9x21, 9x23 or 9x25 either. Not that you are likely to see any of that.

1KPerDay
March 21, 2013, 04:45 PM
Thank you I just wanted to make sure.
A very wise policy. Enjoy your M9! :cool:

Mikey2201
March 21, 2013, 08:42 PM
I did not get it yet but hopefully soon.

MedWheeler
March 21, 2013, 10:59 PM
The Parabellum moniker was all but standard until the mid-nineties. I think it's been dropped from common use because of the meaning of its name: "for war" (from the Latin Si vas pasem, para bellum, or if you seek peace, prepare for war. Simply calling it after its inventor is more "PC."

wild cat mccane
March 21, 2013, 11:06 PM
that is interesting you say to make it more PC...

because when you think about it, it makes more since for the gun industry to drop "for war" on a gun they sell to civilians. Or am I confused?

Luger_carbine
March 21, 2013, 11:18 PM
The Parabellum moniker was all but standard until the mid-nineties

9mm Luger was standard, although Georg Luger called his pistol "Parabellum-Pistole" the cartridge was commonly called "9mm Luger" after it's inventor, perhaps the most under-rated gun maker of all time.

YZ
March 22, 2013, 11:42 AM
I did not get it yet but hopefully soon.
No shortage of (free) advice around here. Here is one more. Treat your brand new beretta to fully jacketed ammo. It will help keeping it clean. Fortunately most 9mm para are jacketed. Second, avoid shooting a lot of steel cased ammo. A little will not harm anything, but some say it will wear the extractor sooner over time. Third, mil surplus will be dirtier on average than commercially sold ammo.

PS. FMJ or JHP as opposed to lead nosed.

bama7
March 23, 2013, 11:47 AM
"Otherwise, Mike, as noted, any 9mm Nato/9mm Luger/9mm Parabellum/9x19mm should be good to go, unless it specifically says anything like +P+ or "submachine gun" anywhere... there have been some really hot 9mm rounds intended for subguns that you shouldn't really shoot in your handgun. But they're not particularly common. " ( Sorry I do not know how to post a quote as of yet. This was copied from a post by member 1KPerDay ).

I just bought 3, 20 round boxes of Winchester PDX1 DEFENDER 9mm Luger +P to use, if needed, in my Kareen Israel HP. My barrel is stamped with +P. Can I use this ammo in my gun? The gun is in good mechanical condition. If I can't use it in my gun does anyone want it at my cost, $22.47 a box from Walmart?

OilyPablo
March 23, 2013, 12:15 PM
Saw a guy at the show trying to buy 9x18 for 9x19 use. He figured "just as silly millimeter" :banghead:

1KPerDay
March 23, 2013, 12:26 PM
"Otherwise, Mike, as noted, any 9mm Nato/9mm Luger/9mm Parabellum/9x19mm should be good to go, unless it specifically says anything like +P+ or "submachine gun" anywhere... there have been some really hot 9mm rounds intended for subguns that you shouldn't really shoot in your handgun. But they're not particularly common. " ( Sorry I do not know how to post a quote as of yet. This was copied from a post by member 1KPerDay ).

I just bought 3, 20 round boxes of Winchester PDX1 DEFENDER 9mm Luger +P to use, if needed, in my Kareen Israel HP. My barrel is stamped with +P. Can I use this ammo in my gun? The gun is in good mechanical condition. If I can't use it in my gun does anyone want it at my cost, $22.47 a box from Walmart?
PDX1 is defensive handgun ammo designed for use in modern 9mms. It'll be just fine in your pistol, assuming the pistol is in good shape.

BTW I doubt your barrel is stamped "+P" but there may be a P proof mark or assembly mark on the lower barrel lug... Got a pic?

bill3424
March 23, 2013, 12:29 PM
Yes, you can.

Mikey2201
March 23, 2013, 01:22 PM
Thank you again for the info and tips Greatly appreciated.

YZ - thanks I did not know that about steel cased ammo. That is just for target shooting/practice. What about defensive ammo? I would assume that is ok

YZ
March 23, 2013, 05:04 PM
Thank you again for the info and tips Greatly appreciated.

YZ - thanks I did not know that about steel cased ammo. That is just for target shooting/practice. What about defensive ammo? I would assume that is ok
Steel cased HPs will be fine for carry and occasional practice. Just not for high volume shooting. Steel is harder than brass or aluminum and has higher impact on steel parts.

bama7
March 25, 2013, 05:25 PM
Here are a couple of pictures. It has CAL .9m/mP stamped on it.

Arkansas Paul
March 25, 2013, 05:58 PM
I did not get it yet but hopefully soon.

I have one that's supposed to be here by the end of the month. I'm like a kid waiting on Christmas. Mine is a Ruger LC9 though.

1KPerDay
March 25, 2013, 07:09 PM
Here are a couple of pictures. It has CAL .9m/mP stamped on it.
That stands for Caliber 9mm Parabellum, the caliber, FYI.

Cal. 9m/m P

Mizar
March 25, 2013, 08:03 PM
I have not seen any (modern) 9x19 pistol specifically stamped /+P/. Maybe some US made subcompact with an alloy frame has that stamping, but in general it is reserved only for .38 Spl. revolvers. Steel cased ammo is just fine for all day shooting thru a quality pistol (as the shown Israeli contract FEG P9). If the extractor brakes it's an indication that something was not machined right in the first place. Just shoot your gun and enjoy the heavier recoil, the bigger groups and the higher price you payed for those +P's. Or maybe not, because the advertised 1095 fps are just nothing spectacular for the cartridge. Except the price...:neener:

Boris

bama7
March 26, 2013, 08:01 AM
"That stands for Caliber 9mm Parabellum, the caliber, FYI.

Cal. 9m/m P"


Whoops, thanks for the info.

YZ
March 27, 2013, 12:40 PM
Boris
Mil spec 9mm isn't steel cased. The debate on steel is not new. But why test your own Beretta for longevity the way even the military doesn't.

Mizar
March 27, 2013, 03:38 PM
Where exactly did I mentioned steel cased 9x19 military ammo? Steel vs brass is an old debate starting from the days when internal extractors were the norm. And I think that even then it was more a myth then a reality. In a controlled feed pistol the extractor just doesn't stress that much, or have such impact on the case as push feed designs. Add to that the soft and lacquered steel case and you have a non existing problem. I personally have shot many steel cased ammo thru various pistols without any ill effects. But the Internet is a great place for rumors that just refuse to die.

Boris

bama7
April 3, 2013, 11:08 PM
I kept one box and sold the other two for what they cost me.:neener:

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