Cocking Snags reholstering


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Airbrush Artist
March 22, 2013, 10:03 AM
True or False--The danger lies in re holstering a Firearm ,when I re-holster My revolver my Thumb is on The Hammer,Stops any chance of a Cocking Snag...It cannot cock coming out of the Holster Clean...Its the main reason I will not C&C a Striker Fired Firearm..

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ATLDave
March 22, 2013, 12:58 PM
I cannot tell what you're asking.

MikeJackmin
March 22, 2013, 01:10 PM
Reholstering can present an opportunity for an unintended discharge if the trigger becomes snagged on something as the gun is pressed into the holster. Some handguns are more prone to this than others, but revolvers are low on the list. The longer than heavier the trigger pull, the less likely it is to happen.

I suppose a secondary hazard may exist if the hammer is snagged during reholstering, but I have not heard much about it. If it concerns you, keeping your thumb against the hammer seems like it would be good practice. This same habit would also help protect against hammer snags as the gun is withdrawn from the holster, which may inhibit the ability to deliver a quick shot.

BSA1
March 22, 2013, 01:21 PM
Cocking Snags reholstering

The danger lies in re holstering a Firearm ,when I re-holster My revolver my Thumb is on The Hammer,Stops any chance of a Cocking Snag...

With open carry - False

With concealed carry depends on the style and material of the covering garment, the size of the hammer spur, the sharpness of the checkering on the top of the spur, the type and design of the holster and the physical build of the person.

Generally speaking the main problem with a sharp hammer spur is it chews up the inside of the covering garment and jabs into the soft skin of the wearer. A thumb break that totally covers the hammer eliminates these problems.

The main danger when reholstering is the trigger catching on the lip of a poorly designed holster and discharging as the gun is shoved into it.

Answer; Generally false.

It cannot cock coming out of the Holster Clean...

See same above comments. A danger with ankle carry for a revolver is the hammer snagging on the sock when drawing it.

Answer - False

Its the main reason I will not C&C a Striker Fired Firearm..

The striker (or hammer) on a striker fired semi-automatic handgun is hidden inside the frame and slide and thus totally protected from snagging.

Answer - False.

You have totally failed this test. You need to go to the range and redo your homework by shooting handguns. ;-)

Airbrush Artist
March 22, 2013, 02:07 PM
accidental discharge

ljnowell
March 22, 2013, 02:21 PM
I guess if you cant trust yourself to keep your finger off the trigger during a reholster then you have something to worry about.

WC145
March 22, 2013, 05:37 PM
I'm very Good at Trust Safety and Respondsibity in everything I do,I'm respondsible every day for 100's of other people's Children,Its just that You got to work always at being safer,I'm Glad You got that down Pat jnowell,Hopefully someday I can be perfect as You...
Wow. Reading your posts makes me concerned for the 100's of other people's Children that you are respondsible for.

As far as your concern about a "cocking snag", I've never seen or heard of one. In my opinion you are making much ado about nothing. Of course, I've only been shooting and carrying for 40+ years, if it ever did happen I could have missed it.

beag_nut
March 22, 2013, 05:45 PM
What WC145 said, except add 10 more years.

Mayvik
March 22, 2013, 05:49 PM
I never understand all these problems with reholstering.

Remove from holster: faster is better

Put back in holster: What's the hurry? Pay attention to what you're doing and you shouldn't have any issues...

Airbrush Artist
March 22, 2013, 06:04 PM
Its always so refreshing when you come on here to get some thoughts and Ideas and More Importantly to Learn all you can about Firearm safety,Everything has changed so very much since the years I put Firearms and shooting on The back Burners as a Hobby and Lifestyle,I'm mainly come here to read and ask like so many others especially new people,I read from a great amount of Folks on here about the need to Bring More People into the Fold but there is more than a quantity of Judgemental insulting people Thats for sure...That put a Damper on The opportunity to learn

Robert
March 22, 2013, 06:23 PM
Be civil and High Road or this will be shut down.

MrBorland
March 22, 2013, 06:31 PM
It's all good, AA.

The chances of accidentally cocking the hammer when holstering is pretty remote. Even then, modern revolvers have internal devices (e.g. hammer block, transfer bar) to block contact between a falling hammer/firing pin and a primer, so long as your finger's not on the trigger. For those who are concerned about it, though, removing the hammer spur & conversion to DAO is an option.

BTW, I have seen instances where hammer shoes ended up being wider than the trigger guard. In this case, an ND upon reholstering is a more real possibility, since, from the hammer block/transfer bar's perspective, a pulled trigger is a pulled trigger.

shafter
March 23, 2013, 02:06 PM
When reholstering a revolver my thumb is on the hammer and off the trigger. IMPOSSIBLE for the gun to fire. Just make sure the gun is going into the holster and don't drop it on the ground. Basically just pay attention and you'll be fine. (No Little Joe Cartwright reholstering spins)

seeker_two
March 23, 2013, 02:37 PM
AA: I think I may understand what you're saying....you're worried that your gun will become cocked (& may possibly fire) as you reholster, correct?

If this is a concern, you may want to look into holsters that allow you to remove the holster from your belt so you can reholster, then put the entire gun/holster unit back onto your belt. Several instructors are promoting this type of reholstering. I like it for IWB and pocket holster carry myself.

Peace of mind goes a long way....

Airbrush Artist
March 23, 2013, 02:37 PM
LOL ,I'll leave that to my stupid Brother -in-Law ,sorry ,I had too...

Airbrush Artist
March 23, 2013, 02:40 PM
Exactly Seeker,probably will never happen ,I just want to cover all the bases...

sgt127
March 23, 2013, 03:05 PM
I think I sorta get what you are saying. I like appendix carry. I will NOT carry a Glock or most striker fired guns appendix, nor a 1911. With a those, everything has to work righ for the gun NOT to fire. The striker has enough stored energy (about 70%) when charged. IF the firing pin slips off the cruciform and IF the firing pin safety is jammed in the up position, the gun will fire. (A S&W M&P auto is about 99% preloaded).

That said, me and 250 or so of my buddies have carried Glocks for the last 15 years, and, none have ever had all those failures and went off by themselves, but, the POSSIBILITY exsists.

A DA revolver or auto, everything has to work right for the gun TO fire. Everything is pretty much at rest, there is not enough stored energy to fire the gun.

I've never been concerned about snagging the hammer on a DA revolver and it firing. Now, a SA like a Colt SAA, it would be possible to snag the hammer, draw it back far enough to rotate the vylinder, line up a live cartridge and then have the hammer slip past the sear and fire.

If riding the hammer into the holster makes you happy, go for it, theres no harm.

ljnowell
March 23, 2013, 05:48 PM
I think I sorta get what you are saying. I like appendix carry. I will NOT carry a Glock or most striker fired guns appendix, nor a 1911.

I'm curious why you wouldnt carry a 1911 that way? A 1911 has not only a manually operated thumbsafety, you also have to have the grip safety depressed when the trigger is pulled.

sgt127
March 23, 2013, 07:03 PM
I carried a 1911 for many years. I love the gun. Love Glocks too. Just the idea of a cocked pistol pointed at my femoral artery makes me uncomfortable.

Even with a 1911, the grip safety doesn't block the hammer, only the movement of the trigger. The thumb safety blocks the sear and, the firing pin safety (on an 80 series) blocks the firing pin. So, safety wise, its about the same as a Glock. The gun is under tension all the time. If parts break, the gun can fire. On a DA, DAO, DAK HKP7 etc, if parts break, it won't fire.

I'm ok with a crease in my butt cheek if everything were to go wrong, so, I'll keep carrying them and, I like them all.

I used to carry a Bauer (Baby Browning clone) as a last ditch pocket gun. But, on those, the safety blocks the trigger. If the striker slips off the sear, or, something shears off, it will fire, there is not even a firing pin safety. When I realized that, I carried it safety off, chamber empty. Not the best deal if something needs shooting in a hurry.

Its a quirk of mine. Lots of people carry them that way all the time. I'm just not personally comfortable with it.

Texan Scott
March 23, 2013, 10:10 PM
AA is new to concealed carry. It's natural that he would have questions, and appropriate that he would ask them. This is particularly true where the carry of a loaded gun in public is concerned, and a potential for danger to self and others exists. Resolving these questions by asking more experienced and knowledgeable people is the sensible and responsible thing to do.

Carry on, 'Brush.

FWIW, my usual is a modern DAO revolver. No snags coming out or back in, and no worries.

rcmodel
March 23, 2013, 11:24 PM
Blocks scare the crap out of me.

I have no fears about stuffing a C&L 1911, S&W or Colt Revolver, or SIG de-cocker in my shorts.

They ain't gonna shoot me unless I take the safety off and pull the trigger.
Or in the case of the DA revolvers & SIGS, just pull the trigger through the long DA pull.

Striker fired guns like Gocks with no safety's on the other hand?
Well just a pocket snag will do ya!!

Thats why my Glock has a thumb safety on it!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/GlockSafety.jpg

rc

msb45
March 24, 2013, 10:51 PM
Old school training was to have your thumb on the hammer as you holstered. In the era of long retention straps the thought was that they could catch on the trigger as the gun went into the holster, especially eyes free. It also gave you a heads up if your revolver was cocked. Single action wasn't the no-no it is today.

It was to acknowledge or prevent it from being in single action. A 1911 going to holstered should (IMHO) be on safe. It is cocked so pushing down on the trigger is problematic.

For those who responded train, I wouldn't... OK YMMV.

FWW I've carried a gun twenty plus years and haven't had to shoot or prone somebody out. I think I'm a safe gun handler. But God forbid I had to shoot and put another bad gun to prone as the police arrived; I think being a little more cautious on the holstering after the stress and adrenaline is no big deal.

Don't pull it if you don't think you need to shoot, keep it out till it's ALL over, and take you time holstering. If the cops show up and tell you to drop it then DROP IT.

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