6.5x55 Swede Ammunition Questions.


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Agsalaska
March 23, 2013, 11:43 PM
Good evening,

Last year I acquired a Winchester M70 Featherweight in 6.5x55. GUn was in 98% condition and, other than a few scratches on the trigger guard, could have been called NOS.

Anyway, I hunt White tail mostly in East and South Texas. I decided kind of late to use it for deer season, I bought what was available, Remington Core 140g. It dropped a doe right where I shot her with front shot into the boiler room. But when I got to South Texas after xmas and stared at 200+ pound bucks over 150+ yards, it occurred to me that I needed to pay attention to the ammunition I was buying. It never really mattered with the 30-30 and smaller east Texas deer.

I know the 140 grain is standard. But Norma makes a 156g as well. So my question is what is the most effective killer manufactured for this caliber. Right now I am looking at the Nosler 140g Trophy Grade and the Norma 156g
cartridge. I do NOT load my own ammo(I have too many hobbies as it is.)

Any and all feedback on this cartridge is appreciated.

Thanks

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viking499
March 23, 2013, 11:56 PM
The Winny has a 1:7ish twist. The Norma ammo should be fine in it.

Gunner11
March 24, 2013, 01:59 AM
I,d use norma look at the velocities claimed by american manufacturers for 6.5 ammo, they seem to think that all rifles in this cal are "weak actions and dumb the velocity down. I shoot a m38 swede made in 1942 using the 140gr norma,soft point semi boat tail, it's flatter out to 300m and I haven't blown the weak old rifle up yet.

6.5swede
March 24, 2013, 09:27 AM
Agree, Norma ammo is good stuff. Norma use to produce ammo with the 140gr Nosler Partition which IMO is one of the most effective all round bullets for the Swede. The 156gr Oryx is a good bullet but will limit your hunting range secondary to velocity and BC constraints. Also, there are 2 American loads that are loaded hotter for more modern actions, the Nosler TG 140gr Accubond and Hornady SP 140gr SST. I've taken large hogs and deer with both, no problem. It's difficult to find a bad 6.5mm hunting bullet. C&C bullets work just fine as well. My 3 favorite all around bullets in 6.5mm are the Partition (125gr and 140gr), Accubond (130gr and 140gr) as well as the 120gr TSX/TTSX's. You certainly don't need premiums for deer, however.

adelbridge
March 24, 2013, 03:32 PM
A big buck is not going to notice 16 grain difference but he will know what bullet performs better.

SHR970
March 24, 2013, 04:10 PM
A 200 lb. buck isn't going to run off after a good hit from any 140 gr. soft point bullet on the market. I have dropped mule deer with hand loaded Remington, Hornady, and Sierra 140 gr. pills, as well as factory Prvi 140 gr. soft points. I hunt a bucks only area and pass on forks (the minimum legal). I have yet to recover a bullet inside of an animal. The main thing that 140 gr. bullets have going for them in this caliber is a sectional density of .287. To get a similar S.D. in a 30 cal., you need a bullet of 190 gr.

The important thing is finding a bullet that your gun fires accurately.

Gunnerboy
March 24, 2013, 04:36 PM
Prvi Partizan, Affordable ammo that has higher quality brass than win,rem, or federal, and its hotter ammo that shoots accuratly outa my m98 custom built 6.5swede

headoftheholler
March 24, 2013, 04:47 PM
I have two boxes of the Norma Alaskans (old school Oryx) put away for elk when I get drawn, they look a little funny but hit hard.

mjkten
March 24, 2013, 04:53 PM
I have had very good results hand loading a 140 grain Nosler partition over a dose of RL-22. Sub-moa accuracy and total penetration on white tail. Velocity will never knock your socks off, but that's really the point. I think my featherweight had a slower twist than 7, though.

meanmrmustard
March 24, 2013, 06:17 PM
Prvi Partizan, Affordable ammo that has higher quality brass than win,rem, or federal, and its hotter ammo that shoots accuratly outa my m98 custom built 6.5swede
+1.

ridgerunner1965
March 24, 2013, 06:49 PM
ive always had excellent luck with rem core lokt bullets in any caliber.i shot a 243 for years with stock rem core lokt 100 grns.the kills were spectacular and reliable.

ive also killed many deer of all sizes with 140 grn 6.5x55 handloads.mostly with non premium bullets at less than max loads.so far just a bunch of 1 shot kills.with your rem 140 loads id not feel undergunned on anything from elk on down.i do limit my shots to 275 yrds or less unless it is a perfect shot and i know the distance for sure.

that long 140 grn bullet is a proven killer and the core lokt is a proven bullet.

Speedo66
March 24, 2013, 09:09 PM
That cartridge got it's reputation as extremely accurate with a 139g bullet, and it's extremely popular in Sweden for moose hunting.

Maybe the 156g for shorter distances, but for long shots you might be better served with the one it was developed with, I'm sure it won't notice 1 extra g.

john wall
March 24, 2013, 09:16 PM
Arguably the best balanced of ALL smokeless cartridges, the 6.5X55 will get the job done.

Your rifle will handle the 60,000+ PSI loads. There is nothing on this planet that has not been harvested with the 'Swede.

Put the pill in the critter's boiler room, and get out the skinning knife.;)

Agsalaska
March 24, 2013, 11:38 PM
ive always had excellent luck with rem core lokt bullets in any caliber.i shot a 243 for years with stock rem core lokt 100 grns.the kills were spectacular and reliable.

ive also killed many deer of all sizes with 140 grn 6.5x55 handloads.mostly with non premium bullets at less than max loads.so far just a bunch of 1 shot kills.with your rem 140 loads id not feel undergunned on anything from elk on down.i do limit my shots to 275 yrds or less unless it is a perfect shot and i know the distance for sure.

that long 140 grn bullet is a proven killer and the core lokt is a proven bullet.
Thats a good point. I have always used the Rem Core in the .243 and my Dad-in-law uses it in his 30-06. It has always killed.



As for my original comment, I knew about the reputation before I bought the gun and would have had not hesitation shooting a big buck at 200 with that core if I would have had a decent look. But it just got me thinking about maximizing performance.


Thanks for all of the feedback. You guys are a lot of help as always. I will proababy buy a box of the Norma 156 and play around with them, but probably stick with the 140g, either Nosler or just stick with the Remington.


Love the gun/cartridge combo by the way. It is a smooth shot out of the M70.

Kachok
March 25, 2013, 11:57 AM
Never tried Norma or Remington ammo in my Sweed. Once I shot Prvi 139gr SPs I needed to look no further, spectacular accuracy, very effective on deer, affordable, and brass so good it rivals the premium brands. Tried Winchester 140gr and it shot really well too but I was much more pleased with the cheap stuff.

Agsalaska
March 25, 2013, 07:16 PM
Good feed back on the Privi ammo. I have never seen it in the store but see it all over the internet.

viking499
March 25, 2013, 07:22 PM
Good feed back on the Privi ammo. I have never seen it in the store but see it all over the internet.

I have had luck with Wolf Gold 140 SP, which is supposed to be the same thing.

Kachok
March 25, 2013, 07:28 PM
Found Prvi at a local gun store and at gun shows.

meanmrmustard
March 25, 2013, 07:36 PM
Good feed back on the Privi ammo. I have never seen it in the store but see it all over the internet.
Gun shop or big box?

It's in all my area gun shops, plenty of it, and its affordable.

Dr T
March 25, 2013, 08:09 PM
Consider that the 160 gr. load is regularly used on moose.

Any properly constructed bullet between 120 gr and 140 gr should work well on the South Texas whitetails.

Even the 120 gr Hornady AMax target bullet will work well for creating havoc in the boiler room if you don't hit anything bigger than a rib going in. (It just may not stay together going out. But it will do a lot of damage as it is coming apart).

I am contemplating using the Prvi 120 gr match ammo on little West Texas whitetails next fall. They should work a lot better than a 223.

StrawHat
March 26, 2013, 08:35 AM
The 140 and heavier bullets will give lots of penetration. For deer in herds, maybe too much, unless you want to drop more than one. Consider the 125 grain Partition.

Colt46
March 26, 2013, 04:43 PM
On any deer or elk sized game. The 160 gr varieties are for bigger/tougher game and come at seriously reduced velocity.

CB900F
March 26, 2013, 06:52 PM
Agsalaska;

My 6.5 Swede is a custom left hand bolt & I do my own loading. But, I also hunt elk with this rig and have no worries about doing so.

Find the most accurate factory ammo for your gun & when you do, buy lots of it. Then go worry about other things, that base is covered.

900F

Float Pilot
March 26, 2013, 06:57 PM
I too have a model 70 featherweight in 6.5x55mm.
While I am used to shooting several Swede Military Mausers, the little M-70 is a real treat to carry and shoot. Although with the 22 inch barrel it has some velocity limitations.
And while I could hot load the Winchester, I do not since I know I would get all goofy headed one day and load a hot round into one of my 100 year old Swedes.

I have used the 6.5x55mm to harvest moose and caribou, so deer will not be a problem.

The round nose bullets are actually shorter than many boat-tails and BULLET LENGTH NOT WEIGHT are what makes the difference in bullet stability.

The Norma 156 grain bullets are very tough and they work well on heavy bones and thick hides, like large bears.... they blast right through moose shoulder bones.

here are some loads I have run through mine....


6.5x55mm Winchester MODEL 70 LOADS ONLY

Federal factory 140gr Soft Point: = 2,375 fps, 0.50 inch group.

120gr Nosler Ballistic Tip: 46.5gr RL-19, Lapua, CCI BR-2, 3.085 col= 2,560 fps and a 1.0 inch group

120gr Sierra Match King: 46.0 gr RL-19, Lapua, BR-2, 3.085 col= 2,508 fps and a 0.50 inch group.

120gr Hornady A-Max, 48.8gr IMR-4831, ww,ww, 2.964 col
= 2,925 fps and a 0.75 inch group Lee Crimp. High Pressure

129gr Hornady SST, 47.3gr IMR-4831, WW, WW Stand, 2.942 col
=2,808 fps and a 1.5 inch group. no crimp. Cratered primers

140gr Rem Accu-Tip, 47.0gr RL-22, Lapua Brass, CCI-200, 3.970 col= 2,640 fps and a 1.0 inch group

140gr Nosler Partition, 47.0gr RL-22, Lapua Brass, CCI-200, 3.950 col= 2,569 fps and a 1.5 inch group

140gr Hornady Soft :Point , 47.0gr RL-22, Lapua Brass, CCI-200, 3.850 col= 2,575 fps and a 2.0 inch group

140gr Hornady SST. 46.5 gr RL-19, Lapua, CCI-200, 3.090 COL
= 2,570 fps and a 1.0 inch group

140gr Hornady SST, 44.5 gr H-4350, Lapua, CCI-200, 3.090 col
= 2,608 fps and a 1.5 inch group

140gr Hornady SST, 44.5gr H-100V, Lapua, CCI-200 3.090 col
=2,669 fps and a 0.50 inch group.

140gr Sierra Game King, 44.5gr H-100V, WW, WW, 2.930col
= 2,675 fps and a 0.55 inch group Lee factory Crimp, no pressure signs

140gr Hornady Soft Point, 44.5gr H-100V, ww, ww, 2.945 col
=2,680 fps and a 2.5 inch group. Lee Crimp. Some pressure signs

140gr Hornady R. N. 44.5gr H-100V, WW, WW 2.975 col
=2,620 fps and a HUGE Group, lee Crimp

140gr Hornady SST, 46.5gr IMR-4831, ww,ww, 2.995 col
=2,700 fps and a 0.75 inch group, primer flow

160gr Hornady Round Nose: 45.0 gr RL-22, PMC, Rem 9.5, 3.100 col= 2,288 fps and a 1.5 inch group

Agsalaska
March 26, 2013, 07:17 PM
Float pilot! Great post. Thanks.

41 Mag
March 26, 2013, 10:39 PM
Agsalaska,

If you can find a few boxes of the 140gr Privi give it a try and see how it does in your rifle.

I picked up a 6.5 quite a few years back for my daughter to use, and after MANY rounds looking for a load that would shoot within a golf ball sized group, I finally hit one that she shot until a couple of years back. I picked up a dozen boxes of the Privi on sale figuring it would be great cheap ammo for hogs. Turns out it has been the most accurate ammo I have ever put through the rifle.

When had it out for the first time, I zeroed the scope with it at 100yds, then shot three rounds after it cooled off. All three could easily be covered with a dime. then I gave up the chair to my then 8yr old grandson who also fired three rounds, followed by my daughter who finished up with three herself. When we walked out to the target I could have covered all 9 rounds with a quarter easily. Not too much else to say on the accuracy when you have three different shooters all put them together like that, especially when one is an 8yr old. Well to be fair he isn't/wasn't the average 8yr old, as he has been shooting since just after his 3rd birthday.

Anyway the point is give it a try. We have since dropped quite a few hogs up to around 250# and several nice sized E.TX deer all with one shot stops.

Hokkmike
March 26, 2013, 11:01 PM
My favorite load is a 120 grain ballistic tip with 44.9 grains of IMR 4350. I use it for both varmints and deer. I am NOT recommending this only stating that I have used it with great success. (my disclaimer) Work up loads slowly and carefully.

The factory loads in many brands at 139 grains are also great. I prefer Winchester in the Silver boxes. Hard to come by these days.

While I love Norma ammo it is $uper expen$ive.

I have used the Winchester Featherlight, Winchester Sporter, Sako Model 85, and Sako Finnlight in this caliber. The Sporter being the tops they are all accurate. Being older now the Finnlight is my hunting companion.

I have some of the 165 round nosed bullets by Norma but have never used them.

Kachok
March 26, 2013, 11:04 PM
4350 is great for 120s, so is RL19, first deer I ever killed with a handload was IMR 4350 pushing a 120gr Ballistic Tip

meanmrmustard
March 26, 2013, 11:08 PM
My favorite load is a 120 grain ballistic tip with 44.9 grains of IMR 4350. I use it for both varmints and deer. I am NOT recommending this only stating that I have used it with great success. (my disclaimer) Work up loads slowly and carefully.

The factory loads in many brands at 139 grains are also great. I prefer Winchester in the Silver boxes. Hard to come by these days.

While I love Norma ammo it is $uper expen$ive.

I have used the Winchester Featherlight, Winchester Sporter, Sako Model 85, and Sako Finnlight in this caliber. The Sporter being the tops they are all accurate. Being older now the Finnlight is my hunting companion.

I have some of the 165 round nosed bullets by Norma but have never used them.
I'll take those 165s off your hands if you aren't using them!:D

CB900F
March 27, 2013, 12:11 AM
Fella's;

Well, since we're now swapping load information, here's what I worked up:

140 gr Sierra Gamekings #1730, Winchester brass, CCI primer, 52.6 grains of Ramshot Magnum. This is not suggested for anything but modern actions, if you try this, work it up careully please. With that disclaimer, I'm getting 2700 - 2750 fps temperature dependant. The S/D is low double digit, and the accuracy is there.

The gun is a modified Tikka left hand bolt with a custom recoil lug. The barrel is a Lilja 22". All the action work & barrel fitting was done by Dave Young in Tracy Montana. The stock was done by Rob Smith and the checkering by Tom Stevens. Zeiss made the scope, it's a 3.5-10X mil-dot in Talley rings. Dennis Earhardt in Helena blued all the metal to match the Zeiss & did an excellent job, but then he is an acknowledged world-class smith.

This gun will consistently produce .5 three shot groups from a cold barrel. The absolute best it's ever done is a .261".

900F

Kachok
March 27, 2013, 12:20 AM
SGKs shoot good in mine, but 45.5gr of RL 19 and a 129gr SST shoots one hole at 100 yards, and my favorite hunting load is 46.5gr of RL22, PPU brass, a CCI primer and a 140gr SST, very accurate at 100yd AND hella powerful out to 500 yards. Mine likes them at 2.950" same length I load Ballistic Tips and Deep Curls to.

Agsalaska
March 27, 2013, 12:47 AM
41 mag, I will try those out when I get back to town.



Reading this thread makes me want to get into reloading too. Although the last thing I need is another hobby:)

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