Teaching double the number of CCW classes.


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threefeathers
March 24, 2013, 03:42 PM
For the past couple of months I have been teaching double the CCW classes compared to the same month ever. Virtually ALL new gun owners who seem to be both interested and responsible. :cool:

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Caliper_RWVA
March 24, 2013, 10:21 PM
Good job! Thanks for helping bring them into the fold. :cool:

carpboy
March 24, 2013, 11:18 PM
How is the number of students passing vs the number washing out or quitting?The exact number is not needed just an estimate.

NOLAEMT
March 25, 2013, 02:04 PM
people don't pass ccw classes?

Hardtarget
March 26, 2013, 12:15 AM
Not pass!?
When I took my class , we(the class), were told the only way to fail was to shoot the instructor! :D

Considering the targets I saw...I think he should have been a bit more strict.

Mark

kcgunesq
March 26, 2013, 12:32 AM
We've had one every Saturday starting the first weekend in January. This coming Saturday will be the one week off among 14 weeks. That is a 25-50% increase over most years, even given that the first quarter is usually the busiest.

Plan2Live
March 26, 2013, 10:33 AM
I helped a friend with his CWP class this weekend. 25 students, one walked off the range and the instructor failed two. He enforces standards that are higher than the State's requirements.

What I am seeing is people going out and buying a pistol and immediately signing up for a CWP class with virtually no prior shooting experience. A CWP class is not the right forum to learn how to shoot. We see a lot of muzzles sweeping body parts, hands in places they shouldn't be, attempting to shoot with safeties engaged even though the range master is calling out the instructions and so on.

I fear many (most) of these people will rarely if ever practice and even fewer will ever practice essential skills such as drawing from a holster, clearance drills, magazine changes, weak hand shooting, shooting at very close range, etc. etc. etc. In short, they are looking for a lucky rabbit's foot, not a defensive tool. They will be living under a false sense of security and I hope they never have to use that tool. I know this will rub the constitutional carry crowd the wrong way but the qualification standards for concealed carry need to be more stringent.

And if I see one more long barreled .22 used for qualifying I am going to scream!

Flame retardant suit on so go ahead and hit me.

zerofournine
March 26, 2013, 10:58 AM
I was at my range yesterday getting ready to shoot. I had to wait in line behind a woman who was shopping for a new gun. I overheard her tell the clerk that it was her first gun ever, and she was going to use it in her already scheduled concealed carry class. He told her he didn't have the one she wanted in stock, and she kept prodding him to sell her any gun that would work. He said that wasn't a smart idea, and suggested she take time to choose a gun that fit her.

She left without a gun, but I wonder if the pawn shops in the area with the marked up junk guns will be as honest with her.

Scary thought indeed.

Ryanxia
March 26, 2013, 12:40 PM
I helped a friend with his CWP class this weekend. 25 students, one walked off the range and the instructor failed two. He enforces standards that are higher than the State's requirements.

What I am seeing is people going out and buying a pistol and immediately signing up for a CWP class with virtually no prior shooting experience. A CWP class is not the right forum to learn how to shoot. We see a lot of muzzles sweeping body parts, hands in places they shouldn't be, attempting to shoot with safeties engaged even though the range master is calling out the instructions and so on.

I fear many (most) of these people will rarely if ever practice and even fewer will ever practice essential skills such as drawing from a holster, clearance drills, magazine changes, weak hand shooting, shooting at very close range, etc. etc. etc. In short, they are looking for a lucky rabbit's foot, not a defensive tool. They will be living under a false sense of security and I hope they never have to use that tool. I know this will rub the constitutional carry crowd the wrong way but the qualification standards for concealed carry need to be more stringent.

And if I see one more long barreled .22 used for qualifying I am going to scream!

Flame retardant suit on so go ahead and hit me.
Maybe a .22 is what they intend to carry? Also some people just want the option to carry it loaded in their vehicle.

I agree people should seek out training/practice but remember folks the more restrictions you place on people the less it becomes our Constitutional Right.
I'll never understand why I can put a gun on my hip and walk down the street no problem but to throw a jacket on over it I have to take a course, fill out paperwork, pay fees, get a picture taken, some towns even require fingerprinting! A lot to do for something that's supposed to be my Right..

FitGunner
March 26, 2013, 06:15 PM
Classes here don't allow any guns of a caliber smaller than .32ACP.

c4v3man
March 26, 2013, 06:48 PM
Our state doesn't have a restrictive time limit on how many you shoot, at least not one that poses any significant challenge. As such, I fail to see the difference between qualifying with a long-barreled .22 and a standard length semi-auto 9/40/45. As stated above, a concealed carry class is not a place to learn how to shoot, you're there to demonstrate a level of safety.

Also, alot of people, especially women entering a male-dominated activity like shooting, feel intimidated having to test at all. Anything to make that process easier is good in my book. The instructors I've used in the past have mentioned IDPA/IPSC as a way to keep handling skills up (even though it's not always tactically-sound) and I concur and try to encourage my friends to join me at the local competitions. There's nothing like hitting a no-shoot under pressure to bring someone down to reality and commit to spending a little more time dry-firing/practicing.

GrumpyFNX
March 26, 2013, 06:49 PM
Ditto for State of Texas on not allowing .22 for CHL classes. Qualified with 9mm and now I want .22 for target practice. Problem is you cannot find affordable ammo for either.

Plan2Live
March 26, 2013, 07:56 PM
More on point with the OP, South Carolina had approximately 800 CWP applications pending in mid October. As of last week they had around 17,000. I would say that is a sizeable increase in volume.

No wonder ammo is hard to find!

MErl
March 26, 2013, 10:11 PM
What I am seeing is people going out and buying a pistol and immediately signing up for a CWP class with virtually no prior shooting experience. A CWP class is not the right forum to learn how to shoot. We see a lot of muzzles sweeping body parts, hands in places they shouldn't be, attempting to shoot with safeties engaged even though the range master is calling out the instructions and so on.
I cans see this two ways. New owners are taking a class and want to get dual use out of it as well as some understanding of the laws. But as you said it isnt exactly a forum for new owners.
Perhaps there is a niche there for a CC class geared to new owners. More focus on safety and basic handgun.

kcgunesq
March 26, 2013, 11:20 PM
I cans see this two ways. New owners are taking a class and want to get dual use out of it as well as some understanding of the laws. But as you said it isnt exactly a forum for new owners.
Perhaps there is a niche there for a CC class geared to new owners. More focus on safety and basic handgun.
The problem with "special classes" for novices is two-fold. The instructor would have to charge more spending more time and many are already put off by the prospect of paying $100 for class, $100 for the sheriff and $12 at the DMV, plus the cost of 3 boxes of ammo. Second, splitting the students into multiple classes just mean more work per dollar earned.

Not every problem has a solution worth the cost. I agree instructors should encourage all students to continue training, especially those who appear to struggle during qualification.

flphotog
March 26, 2013, 11:38 PM
Last I heard Florida had something over 120,000 applications in Jan.

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