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undeRGRound
March 24, 2013, 05:27 PM
Seems they make a solid (and Heavy!) weapon that is reliable.
NutNfancy on YouTube reviewed one, (C9) and rated it HIGHLY.
Totally reliable and very accurate. So I was wondering about
adding a backup in 9mm (I already have 2, this would slip in the middle)
and it seems like a good weapon to lend out or have as a back-up for
maybe an "under the seat" gun in the old beater. Plenty of good uses
for a cheap and legal "Saturday Night Special" and besides, F-Stein hates 'em!:evil:

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Thompsoncustom
March 24, 2013, 05:36 PM
I had one and as long as you got the mag adjusted right it run just fine and would handle twice the pressure that my glock 17 would. My hi point ate double charges for breakfast.

They have there purpose and are good at it. I never tired to carry it as they are heavy and not balanced well but make a great truck/tool box gun.

Deltaboy
March 24, 2013, 06:51 PM
I got one on a whim and is a straight shooter and eats Cor Bon and Buffalo Bore like candy. It serves as my recliner gun.

Onward Allusion
March 24, 2013, 06:56 PM
If you're gonna use it as a car gun or backup, leave the chamber empty.

Kiln
March 24, 2013, 07:21 PM
A guy who wants another gun but has a tight budget buys a Hi Point. They're decent guns especially for the money.

They're not pretty or sleek but they'll get the job done.

MedWheeler
March 24, 2013, 07:38 PM
A guy I work with says he wants to sell his for like $60, but I'm not sure how serious he is about actually selling it. If he is, I'm gonna grab it. Got no use for it now, but I'll find one. They have their place.

mavracer
March 24, 2013, 07:43 PM
I had one of their carbines for the money it was a very functional gun.

Robbins290
March 24, 2013, 08:38 PM
I had one of the 40 s&w carbine for a cheap brush gun. Shot a good size deer with it

rogerjames
March 24, 2013, 08:46 PM
If had to go to my backup... I'd hope it's more reliable than my primary.

Life has gotten so bad that my primary source of saving my life is no longer available, and I must retrieve my backup. Do I really want to pick up a cheap hope and a prayer at this moment?

undeRGRound
March 24, 2013, 09:18 PM
If had to go to my backup... I'd hope it's more reliable than my primary.

Life has gotten so bad that my primary source of saving my life is no longer available, and I must retrieve my backup. Do I really want to pick up a cheap hope and a prayer at this moment?
2 things, I hope to be well acclimated to all the weapons, (HP Included!)
and the purchase is mainly for arming others who may not be armed with
their own weapons (SHTF Scenario). Buying now allows time to familiarize
with the HP and see if it is a viable option!

I see your point RJ, and hope to find out!

Great Stuff everyone, it seems the HP is proving it's worth more these days.

Cryogaijin
March 25, 2013, 08:45 AM
A c9 was my first handgun, bought it in fairbanks 8 years ago, to see if I could figure out what the big deal was about handguns.

It is a very fun gun to shoot.

Some observations: Mine did NOT like truncated cone ammo. (Read as most JHP ammo) Fed fine with the couple that rounded off the nose. Ate normal ball ammo all day and night.

The magazines tended to bind up with steel and aluminum cased ammo below about -30f. As this is common in fairbanks I mostly stuck with brass cased ammo in the winter. In the summer it ate all ammo I wanted to feed it, aside from the above mentioned shape.

Arkansas Paul
March 25, 2013, 09:54 AM
I had one of the 40 s&w carbine for a cheap brush gun. Shot a good size deer with it

I love those little carbines. They're fun and the 2 I've shot were very accurate.

Life has gotten so bad that my primary source of saving my life is no longer available, and I must retrieve my backup. Do I really want to pick up a cheap hope and a prayer at this moment?

Hi-Points are not throwing up a hope and a prayer. They're big. They're ugly. But they go bang every time in my experience. Like the carbines, I have only fired 2 of them, but they were both very reliable.
We were at the range last weekend shooting .40s, my Sig, my brother's G22 and my dad's Hi-Point. The G22 had a fail to feed. The Hi-Point ate up everything we fed it. So are Glocks a hope and a prayer?

DeadFlies
March 25, 2013, 09:59 AM
The magazines are the weak point. The guns themselves are solid enough and reliable enough once you get the mags adjusted. I have one magazine that always works and another that hangs up constantly; I cannot, no matter how much I tweak and measure, seem to get that mag to run correctly.

My C9 has almost 3000 rounds through it and it still looks brand new. Eats anything from my marshmallow-soft LRN reloads to +p factory stuff with no complaints. I trust mine enough (with the GOOD mag lol) that it's my HD gun.

It's not some pretentious BBQ gun but I think that's part of the appeal, IMHO.

BTW, Loooooooooooove me a Hi-Point thread! In before the lock!

Arkansas Paul
March 25, 2013, 11:10 AM
BTW, Loooooooooooove me a Hi-Point thread!

Yeah, it's just what we needed. :banghead:

Godsgunman
March 25, 2013, 11:38 AM
I had a 9mm carbine with no issues, it was fun and pretty dang accurate. If I bought a handgun it would have to be for no more than $100, or less. Be nice to have one that if I ever had to use in case of a home invasion or something I'd only be out a butt ugly, heavy, cheap but reliable gun that I successfully defended my family with. But thats really the only reason I would get one personally.

undeRGRound
March 25, 2013, 09:12 PM
Wow, did not mean to start up a ruckus here at THR!

Just saying IBTL would get a 3 day ban for first offense, at a
car bbs that I used to frequent... Rough Crowd! lol

...more laterZ...

undeRGRound
August 10, 2013, 12:50 PM
OK, FINALLY got to shoot my HP! ('s)

Yes, I now have every HP caliber except .380, and if I want a mouse gun
I will get a smaller one for CCW. An HP 380 is way too big, IMO. Same as
a 9mm so I'll stick with the big boy ammo.

Anyway, I shot the C9, the JCP 40 and the JHP 45, and my 995 TSFG.
The good news is that everything fed, shot and ejected 100%! The bad
news is that there is no bad news, if you hate HP's!

Some observations: The 40 is probably the best one to have, snappiest
shooter, 10 rounds, and accurate. The 45 is a real joy to shoot, very
smooth and accurate, easy for a follow up shot! My son (USMC) loved
it, he shot 2 groups @ 10 yards that were stacked up really well, only 1
"flyer" until he dialed in with it. it was only 3 inches off from the rest.
The holes were so close together that he made another grouping so he
could count the shots easier! TRUE! My groups were almost as tight...
The C9 was a decent shooter as well, easier to control than my son's
M&P 9c, due to the weight I guess. Less recoil, but it is bigger too. :neener:

The 995 TS shot well, I was hitting a steel gong @ 40 yards without even
a dial in on the sights. I had so many new weapons out there that day,
that I did not do any sighting in. Range was kinda busy! I also shot my
pre-Sandy Hook AR, very sweeet!
90% Bang-A-GonG with a red dot slapped on there! But this is a Hi Point thread... :what:

ku4hx
August 10, 2013, 01:20 PM
... would handle twice the pressure that my glock 17 would. My hi point ate double charges for breakfast.
Just curious, how did you test and verify one load was twice the pressure of the other?

MedWheeler
August 10, 2013, 03:22 PM
Thanks for bumping this older thread. I mentioned in post 6 that someone I work with was offering one for sale, but kept hemming/hawing about actually selling it.

Two days ago, he messaged me on my day off and brought it up again. I told him I am off until the 19th, but would see if he still had it; if he had a buyer already to let it go. He said he doesn't have anyone lined up, so might end up with it after all (it's a C9.)

undeRGRound
August 10, 2013, 04:14 PM
@MedWheeler

How Much?
If it is decent (under a new one) GO FOR IT!
Mine have all been 100%, I'm totally HAPPY! :D

I can get a new one here for $129 + tax (C9)

380 for $113
C9 for $129
JCP for $139
JHP for $138

995 TS for $233

Got a new LGS that is trying to make a name for themselves :D

Mooseman
August 10, 2013, 08:48 PM
Deadflies, I'm willing to bet that hi-point might be willing to exchange your defective mag for one that works. Assuming you still have it, your post was a while back:p

TUBBY1
August 10, 2013, 09:50 PM
Bought a 40 hp for each of my 3 sons for Christmas few years ago. So much fun I got them each the 40 carbine for their birthday. Don't nock them if you've not tried them. Great value,great fun.

hentown
August 11, 2013, 07:56 AM
"Real" men don't buy Hi Points! :evil:

Potatohead
August 11, 2013, 08:18 AM
YouTube reviewed one, (C9) and rated it HIGHLY.
Totally reliable and very accurate.

Not talking specifically about a Hi point here but I love how the folks on these reviews shoot a gun 23 times and declare it 'reliable".

DeadFlies
August 11, 2013, 10:31 AM
Deadflies, I'm willing to bet that hi-point might be willing to exchange your defective mag for one that works. Assuming you still have it, your post was a while back:p

Hi-Point would probably make it right but it was time for me to part ways with that pistol; I sold it and used the money to buy a low-mileage JHP.

DeadFlies
August 11, 2013, 10:38 AM
Not talking specifically about a Hi point here but I love how the folks on these reviews shoot a gun 23 times and declare it 'reliable".

That brings up a great question, probably merits a thread all it's own: for how many rounds must a firearm perform flawlessly before you dub it "reliable" or even "reliable enough"?

I have 400 perfect rounds (factory FMJ, and both LRN and FMJ reloads) through my JHP. That's not much but it's good enough for me to call it reliable.

undeRGRound
August 11, 2013, 03:05 PM
Thanks, Mrs. potatohead, for MIS-Quoting me, the OP...

I said Nutnfancy tested the C9

He uses a reviewed weapon nearly EXCLUSIVELY for 2-3 MONTHS
and shoots a lot more than 23 rounds. ANYTHING he tests gets a
proper review. So you had better quote ME accurately, because I check!



PS EDIT:
I was snip-quoted, accurate, but deceptively Snipped.
A NutNFancy review is prolly second to None!

Jim K
August 11, 2013, 03:40 PM
Who buys a High Point? Maybe someone who wants a gun that works, whether it is pretty or not. Maybe someone who is careful with money and doesn't want to waste it paying for advertising and hype?

No question that High Points have drawbacks; they are clunky, heavy, and ugly. But when push comes to shove, and a gun is needed for what is gun is for, they will do the job as well as a $50,000, engraved, gold inlaid, show piece. And, if it is used in self defense, and confiscated by the cops, the former owner can take the loss BETTER than if it were that 50 grand museum-class pistol.

Jim

undeRGRound
August 11, 2013, 03:45 PM
NICE!

@JimK



See, REAL MEN DO Buy HiPoints!
"Men who doubt their Manhood" may need to buy the
bigger/better weapon, car, truck, etc. to VALIDATE!
Just Sayin'!

I have finer, more expensive weapons as well, but know value too!

Hondo 60
August 11, 2013, 10:28 PM
I have one, just cuz.
Is it an EDC? no, it's too heavy & too ugly - LOL

And it HATES 115 gr ammo.
it'll jam 1 or 2 x per mag.
But feed it any 124 gr & it eats it like starving dog.

Did I mention it's ugly?
Well it is! :eek:

But as long as I feed it 124 gr ammo, it's VERY reliable (and ugly).

Blue Brick
August 12, 2013, 08:22 PM
I am getting closer and closer to getting one… JHP

stressed
August 12, 2013, 09:31 PM
Double charges, is that the +P++? :D

brbdwyr
August 12, 2013, 09:54 PM
Never fails to amaze me that any HiPoint thread draws more attention than most. As if there's a secret, unmentioned appreciation for these affordable, dependable, fugly, affordable, always-go-bang, affordable handguns.

Hmmmmm.

C0untZer0
August 13, 2013, 12:23 PM
What are they made out of?

I always thought they were made out of ZAMAK - but I don't think they are because Illinois has a melting point law but I see Hi-Points in my LGS all the time.

MedWheeler
August 13, 2013, 04:25 PM
@MedWheeler

How Much?
If it is decent (under a new one) GO FOR IT!
Mine have all been 100%, I'm totally HAPPY

UndeRGRound, he had been talking 'round $60 last time. I'll see what he's thinking this time. He does claim it's kind of a Jam-o_Matic, but he's also pretty inexperienced with handguns.

Dnaltrop
August 13, 2013, 04:40 PM
The Carbines are awesome as long as you stick to factory mags.

Old man (a lifelong Old gun guy) bought his used, someone had overtorqued the fittings.

he shined it up, put an oversized bolt-handle on it for those of us with big mitts, and attached a cheap radioshack combo Laser/flashlight to the end.

Can't tell if it's an Ironic joke of some sort yet given the rest of his collection, but it's a fun little shooter, and the red/green dot scope isn't half bad.

Can't shoot the pistols, not enough clearance for our big squishy hands. But supposedly you can cut their guns in half with a saw and they'll replace them.

undeRGRound
August 13, 2013, 07:24 PM
Great Price!

U do know, that for jams, it is generally a ramp polishing that is needed.
If it is nose up or diver down (on rounds out of the magazine) the feed
lips need tweaked, either in or out depending on angle of bullet.

@MedWheeler

bdb benzino
August 14, 2013, 04:28 AM
I have a bunch of quality handguns already, but have recently been wanting to pick up a C9 to keep in my pick up as a dedicated truck gun. A buddy has a C9 that I have shot a lot, and it shoots good and accurately enough for SD situations. I was pretty surprised how well I can shoot it quickly and stay on target. Pleasantly surprised!;)

Magnuumpwr
August 14, 2013, 10:34 PM
Had a Haskell 45 several years ago. Wife really liked it, but to me was too heavy. Paid $150 for it and sold it for $150 almost a year and over 500 rounds later. Beginning of this year bought her a new HP JHP in green for $120 plus tax. Don't get me wrong, they are great guns for what they are. IMHO, you get more than you paid for with these guns.

Hanzo581
August 15, 2013, 08:15 AM
I'll be honest, and I may be vain but I refuse to buy an ugly gun. Even something like Glock which many call ugly isn't bad to me...they just look utilitarian, but the Hi-Points....they fell down the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down and I just won't have it.

Midwest
August 16, 2013, 09:10 AM
Who buys a High Point? Maybe someone who wants a gun that works, whether it is pretty or not. Maybe someone who is careful with money and doesn't want to waste it paying for advertising and hype?

No question that High Points have drawbacks; they are clunky, heavy, and ugly. But when push comes to shove, and a gun is needed for what is gun is for, they will do the job as well as a $50,000, engraved, gold inlaid, show piece. And, if it is used in self defense, and confiscated by the cops, the former owner can take the loss BETTER than if it were that 50 grand museum-class pistol.

Jim
Yep, I agree. I got the .45 acp for $159 last year. It is a straight shooter and has never jammed. Now I see the LGS is selling the .45acp for over $200. Glad I got the Hi-Point when I did.

undeRGRound
August 16, 2013, 10:18 PM
Your Loss, HANZO!!!
Glock is nearly as bad looking, and IT'S FOREIGN MADE!
All My Guns are USA, BABY!!!
HP, RUGER, S&W, MOSSBERG, SAVAGE, MARLIN, TAURUS!!!

Mooseman
August 16, 2013, 10:39 PM
Taurus guns are Brazilian

Hmm, apparently I'm wrong

undeRGRound
August 17, 2013, 12:13 PM
This Taurus is made in USA:neener:
Sweeet!

Taurus PT22
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Taurus PT22 8+1 or PT25 9+1
Taurus P22.JPG
Type Semi-automatic pistol
Place of origin United States
Specifications
Length 5.25 inches
Width 1.3 inches
Height 4.3 inches
Caliber .22LR
Action blowback
Feed system 8 round box magazine
Sights Iron
The PT22 is a .22LR semi-automatic pistol produced by Taurus and features an 8+1 round capacity magazine. The PT22 is often viewed as a Taurus copy of the Beretta 21 Bobcat due to having a similar "tip up" barrel. In fact this small pistol is very different in design and function from the Beretta. The PT22 is a cast steel frame and slide, manufactured in Florida, USA.

herrwalther
August 17, 2013, 04:31 PM
NutNFancy is the last person/people I would consult for firearms advice. Right down there with Yeager. Just because someone has a Youtube page does not make them an expert in anything, especially firearms. Jeff Quinn at Gunblast is a much more reliable source.

I do not understand the person who wants to buy another gun on a budget gets a Hi Point. I have shot them and they are nothing to rave over. If you want another gun, save up your money and get something halfway decent. With Ruger and Taurus around, there is no reason to spend 100-150 dollars less and get a Hi Point.

There is only two groups of people I can see reasoning behind in getting a Hi Point: Very tight budget and it is their FIRST firearm or someone getting a throwaway gun to be used in a crime. No slight against anyone here who has them, just how I see them.

Blue Brick
August 17, 2013, 04:38 PM
Hi-Point Model 995 9mm Carbine


by Jeff Quinn

photography by Jeff Quinn & Boge Quinn

January 13th, 2010

For a concealed carry handgun, I find the pistols to be larger than what I want to carry, and I have never fired a Hi-Point pistol, but from reports that I hear, they seem to work pretty well.


The Hi-Point carbine has a very good warranty. It is a lifetime warranty, and follows the weapon, so if you sell it, the next owner gets the same warranty. This is an important feature with any weapon. With this carbine, I had to test the Hi-Point warranty. Any gun maker can make a weapon that needs repair, and I have had my share. It is how they handle the problem that matters. Soon after shooting began, the carbine developed a trigger problem. I sent the carbine back for repair, and within two weeks I had the weapon back in my hands, and it has ran perfectly ever since. It has fed, fired, and ejected every type of 9mm ammo that I have tried.

The Hi-Point 9mm carbine is a short, handy, reliable weapon that would be ideal as a home defense carbine. Recoil is non-existent, even with the Plus P ammo tested, so everyone in the family can be trained to use this weapon. It has plenty of accuracy for predator control, and is a lot of fun to shoot. While there is still a national ammo shortage in this country, 9mm seems to still be plentiful and affordable.

The Hi-Point carbine is one-hundred percent made in the USA. It proves that a weapon does not have to be expensive to shoot well, nor does it have to be made in some third-world country to be inexpensive. If you are needing a modern pistol-caliber carbine, give the Hi-Point a look at www.hi-pointfirearms.com.

undeRGRound
August 17, 2013, 05:53 PM
Hi-Point Model 995 9mm Carbine


by Jeff Quinn

photography by Jeff Quinn & Boge Quinn

January 13th, 2010

Quote:
For a concealed carry handgun, I find the pistols to be larger than what I want to carry, and I have never fired a Hi-Point pistol, but from reports that I hear, they seem to work pretty well.
Quote:
The Hi-Point carbine has a very good warranty. It is a lifetime warranty, and follows the weapon, so if you sell it, the next owner gets the same warranty. This is an important feature with any weapon. With this carbine, I had to test the Hi-Point warranty. Any gun maker can make a weapon that needs repair, and I have had my share. It is how they handle the problem that matters. Soon after shooting began, the carbine developed a trigger problem. I sent the carbine back for repair, and within two weeks I had the weapon back in my hands, and it has ran perfectly ever since. It has fed, fired, and ejected every type of 9mm ammo that I have tried.

The Hi-Point 9mm carbine is a short, handy, reliable weapon that would be ideal as a home defense carbine. Recoil is non-existent, even with the Plus P ammo tested, so everyone in the family can be trained to use this weapon. It has plenty of accuracy for predator control, and is a lot of fun to shoot. While there is still a national ammo shortage in this country, 9mm seems to still be plentiful and affordable.

The Hi-Point carbine is one-hundred percent made in the USA. It proves that a weapon does not have to be expensive to shoot well, nor does it have to be made in some third-world country to be inexpensive. If you are needing a modern pistol-caliber carbine, give the Hi-Point a look at www.hi-pointfirearms.com.


Take THAT, "herrwalther" LOL!

FYI, I DO wish to purchase a Walther PPK for a pocket gun.
For my uses, it is a good caliber for a pocket gun (.380) and
the Walther is perhaps the highest example of this! Always
been a James Bond fan, as well :cool:

Good Day!

ricebasher302
August 17, 2013, 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by Thompsoncustom
... would handle twice the pressure that my glock 17 would. My hi point ate double charges for breakfast.

Just curious, how did you test and verify one load was twice the pressure of the other?

You mean that double charges don't happen routinely to you??? Weird.:neener:

You don't have a detachable copper crusher pressure tester apparatus for your HP. You should definitely get one!:neener:

DeadFlies
August 17, 2013, 09:35 PM
save up your money and get something halfway decent. With Ruger and Taurus around, there is no reason to spend 100-150 dollars less and get a Hi Point.



With Glock and Springfield Armory around, there is no reason to spend 100-150 dollars less and get a Ruger or Taurus.

With SIG and Beretta around, there is no reason to spend 100-150 dollars less and get a Glock or SA.

See how that works?

herrwalther
August 18, 2013, 04:12 AM
I have seen Jeff Quinn's review of the Hi-Point Carbine. I just don't call that the stereotypical Hi-point :D. My brother has been looking for the carbine for awhile and if he gets it I may have to try it. May change my attitude towards SOME Hi Points, might not.

With Glock and Springfield Armory around, there is no reason to spend 100-150 dollars less and get a Ruger or Taurus.

With SIG and Beretta around, there is no reason to spend 100-150 dollars less and get a Glock or SA.

See how that works?

That is because quality means something. If quality meant nothing there would be no Kimbers or Wilson Combats or HKs. Everyone would have Hi-points and Cobras and Jiminez pistols.

DeadFlies
August 18, 2013, 07:45 AM
I have seen Jeff Quinn's review of the Hi-Point Carbine. I just don't call that the stereotypical Hi-point :D. My brother has been looking for the carbine for awhile and if he gets it I may have to try it. May change my attitude towards SOME Hi Points, might not.



That is because quality means something. If quality meant nothing there would be no Kimbers or Wilson Combats or HKs. Everyone would have Hi-points and Cobras and Jiminez pistols.

Agreed. However, every dollar spent buys less and less quality (however one might define it) as you go up the ladder. Certainly quality means something even if its meaning is subjective. But HPs are IMHO, by virtue of being at the bottom of the ladder, a very good value.

undeRGRound
August 18, 2013, 08:08 AM
It's all a BELL CURVE, Folks!

HPs (in the VALUE Bell Curve) are right near the top, meaning more for the money.
IMO a Smith & Wesson SD40VE is a great value too, but I would need to compare it's discounted price to MSRP of a HiPoint. Big gap in there, but the S&W is a step or 2 up from an HP in construction. (speaking very very generally here)
I really get into the area I feel most comfortable in with the $500 range. M&P, Glock and Springfield territory. Now to some (most?) THIS is the mid range, and highest value territory. I good friend of mine 'hates' polymer guns, and has all metal framed handguns (mostly revolvers) but does want 1 particular poly-gun. I want a metal framed automatic pistol, but mostly for nostalgia. It would be like having a modern handgun with the heft of an HP and the looks of an S&W :D
We all have our likes and dislikes, but in a pinch, I know I can rely on my HPs and that is what they are for, SHTF guns I can distribute to the friends and family that may need one. I suppose herrWalther is handing out gold plated Kimbers to his posse ;)

JK HerrWalther! I was glad to see you may try the 995! :D
I like mine, everything but the 10 round capacity! Give that thing a 30 round mag and they would be selling them faster than they can make them! OH, Wait! They are selling faster than they can make them NOW! lol

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