what powder for 308Win??


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Wildbillz
March 24, 2013, 08:14 PM
Hi All
Normaly I would just use IMR 4895... But with things the way there are right now. I can't find any. So what would recomend for a replacement (If I could find that one). Will be shooting it out of an Fal, M1A, M1 and a soon to be converted K98.

Thanks
WB

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ohioshooter
March 24, 2013, 08:30 PM
I use IMR 4065 for my 150 grain Hornady FMJ/BT.....44-47 grains.

NCsmitty
March 24, 2013, 08:39 PM
A quick check of Midway USA shows only one comparable powder available that is a near cross to IMR4895, and that is accurate 2495. Not sure where you get you supplies but it is an excellent powder for the rifles that you listed. Accurate 2520 is a ball powder version of IMR4895, but not in stock at Midway, but maybe it's available locally for you.

Link to that powder.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2183113920/accurate-2495-smokeless-powder

Load charts at Accurate powders.

http://www.accuratepowder.com/


NCsmitty

cowtownup
March 24, 2013, 08:52 PM
WIN 748 shows to have lower chamber pressure while pushing just as many FPS, but its out of stock everywhere also...

gacajun
March 24, 2013, 09:47 PM
I use Varget for .308 Win

JerZsquid
March 24, 2013, 09:58 PM
Re-15

Mobuck
March 24, 2013, 10:01 PM
I'm using surplus WCC846(BLC-2) and Re-15 in addition to IMR4064 in my .308 loads.

ArchAngelCD
March 24, 2013, 10:51 PM
The problem with threads like this is, you might not get the best choices for your application but you will get the favorite powder of the poster.

To replace IMR4895 you can use H4895 or Accurate's equivalent AA2495. You can also use the Camp Perry powder, AA2520 which is the ball powder equivalent of AA2495. (like said above) Those 4 powders are almost clones but for the load data which is not interchangeable. Of course you can use BL-C(2) or H335 (WC846 and WC844) or any of the other powders in that burn rate range when you can't find the one you like best. Even the new CFE223 can be used in the .308 but that's probably harder to find than 4895.

tcanthonyii
March 25, 2013, 12:21 AM
All of the powders listed above have been available locally. Honestly I've been all over the US the past month. Stopped at numerous places and no one has had the availability of powders or components that we've had in Nebraska. I've been able to walk into Cabelas, Scheels, Bass pro, LGS and get what I need. Sometimes I have to wait a couple of days but then it shows up. Primers too.

Around here CFE 223 and LeverRevolution powder have been readily available and always in stock as has been 748. 748 is a great choice but the other 2 would work fine.

rikman
March 25, 2013, 12:22 AM
I use Varget for .308 Win
+1 if you can find it

joneb
March 25, 2013, 02:42 AM
I use Varget and BLC-2 with 125-169gr bullets, very good results in my bolt action 308 Win.

db_tanker
March 25, 2013, 06:26 AM
Varget, BL-C(2) and WCC846, H335, AA2520 on top of 4198 and others.

I have been using mostly the WCC846 like Mobuck has though since I have a majority of it.

cycles my Imbel Fal flawlessly and also shoots pretty clean and accurate out of my bolt gun as well. the place where I have been getting it however is out of stock....just glad I have two 8 lb jugs of it. :(

JRI
March 25, 2013, 08:13 AM
I use IMR 4320,have been using it for 32 years.

EMC45
March 25, 2013, 08:53 AM
IMR 4895 or Varget or IMR 4064.

Centurian22
March 25, 2013, 09:03 AM
I use IMR4895 as well so I'll tag this for reference.

CLP
March 25, 2013, 10:46 AM
Re-15
Good luck finding Re-15...

Walkalong
March 25, 2013, 11:00 AM
I actually lucked into 5 Lbs of RL-15 recently. You just have to keep checking around and hope you see something in stock before it is gone. I have had no luck with other things, but RL-15 I found. Should have bought 10 lbs. :)

CLP
March 25, 2013, 12:24 PM
I have 15lbs on backorder with Brownell's, but I suspect it'll be 6-8 months at least 'til that order is filled along with Rem 7 1/2. LGS doesn't have either. Gunbroker prices are ridiculous. Have plenty of components to last me through all of this though. No complaints.

JJ-
March 25, 2013, 12:31 PM
another vote for Varget which is actually in stock at Powder Valley, probably wont last long

KansasSasquatch
March 25, 2013, 01:26 PM
JJ PV's website must have been bombarded with orders. The only Hodgdon powders it's showing as of 12:27pm central time is muzzle loader stuff.

JJ-
March 25, 2013, 03:38 PM
JJ PV's website must have been bombarded with orders. The only Hodgdon powders it's showing as of 12:27pm central time is muzzle loader stuff.
Still showing stock on my end. They announced it on FB this morning. I'm surprised they aren't sold out yet.

Kachok
March 25, 2013, 03:52 PM
I have seen RL15, 17, 19, 22 and 25 at a local store last time I was there, still no 4350, CFE223, or 4064 though. I have all but given up on ever seeing Varget ever again and have been real stingy with what little I have left.

SlamFire1
March 25, 2013, 04:34 PM
I have used, in my M1a's, AA2495, H4895, IMR 4895, IMR 3031, AA2520 (ball), N140, and IMR 4064. After developing loads with a chronograph all of these powders function the rifle without beating it up and are very accurate.

IMR 3031 is a little faster than IMR 4895 and is as fast as you should go. It also shoots well.

IMR 4064 is as slow as you should go.

stargeezer
March 25, 2013, 06:20 PM
Benchmark, Varget, RE15 are my choices. These days I buy whatever one of these I find since they will work in about all the rifle loads I shoot.

KansasSasquatch
March 25, 2013, 06:23 PM
Still showing stock on my end. They announced it on FB this morning. I'm surprised they aren't sold out yet.
It's showing up now.

7.62 Nato
March 25, 2013, 06:29 PM
What is JJ PV's website?

Ike Arumba
March 25, 2013, 07:29 PM
JJ- is the user to whom KansasSasquatch was replying, and PV is Powder Valley, http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/ .

7.62 Nato
March 25, 2013, 07:33 PM
LOL, thanks. No wonder I couldn't find it.

KansasSasquatch
March 25, 2013, 11:01 PM
LOL, thanks. No wonder I couldn't find it.
Powder Valley is out of Varget but they are showing BLC-2 in stock in 1lb containers. Ordering powder online you'll get charged a hazmat fee of roughly $28. It's best to order as much as you can at one time. I wouldn't order online unless I were ordering at least 4lbs. 4lbs plus the hazmat fee would come up to roughly $100-110 and is about what I'd pay locally for it. I just made my first online powder purchase last month and ordered 34-35lbs, no point in repeatedly paying a hazmat fee every 6 months if you can afford to order a bunch of it now. If you bought an 8lb jug of that powder it's $136.35+hazmat fee. Buying it in 1lb containers adds $13, but they're not listing 8lb'ers. But ordering 8lbs in 1lb containers would still be less than $200, cheaper than I can find it locally.

roadcoder
May 2, 2013, 06:32 PM
Stick with PV. A lot of others say they have it in stock, but you order it and end up cornholed on Backorder Alley.

jack44
May 2, 2013, 06:45 PM
varget

Olevern
May 3, 2013, 09:18 PM
Add H380 to the list.

Xelera
May 3, 2013, 11:10 PM
I also use V-V N140 and N150, they are a bit pricier ($4-$8/lb) but tend to be in stock at our local walk in, because no one really uses them because they never worked up loads with them before the shortage because they cost more... They are a very consistent powder.

VihtaVuori also has a free load manual for their powders through the Lapua website.

Geno
May 4, 2013, 02:39 PM
I like Varget, because it works for my .308 Win M70s, and for my M1As, exact same load even. Varget is one of the powders recommended for M14, M1A-style rifles.

Geno

4895
May 4, 2013, 04:47 PM
Local gun shops are the best bet. If you can 'beat the streets' you will probably find what you're looking for. With so many people getting email updates and facebook messages it is hard to buy online unless you are watching it all the time.

I had to go to 4 different shops last weekend but I did find what I needed. I don't like paying $26/lb. and $3.45 gal. for gas but don't have much choice. One greedy gun shop here has W296 in stock for $37/lb. ! They need it more than I do. I won't be forgetting about that place for awhile.

I think that the local shop that sells you a gun every so often is more willing to hold you a lb. or give you a call when it comes in. Even if you pay a couple bucks more for it, it will be a benefit to all.

cuffkey53
May 7, 2013, 04:24 AM
I use wc846 at 46.5 grains great military pull down powder for the 308 . Good luck

BullfrogKen
May 7, 2013, 11:22 PM
^^^


Post #33 about the Vihta Vuori powders. Sure it's a bit more expensive, but it's really good powder. And . . . you'll have an easier time getting it in a crunch over Varget and the IMR/Hodgdon/Accurate stuff.

It really doesn't cost that much more per round to load 160-some rounds of .308 with a V-V powder than the more "traditional" ones. Even if you pay $8.00-10.00 more per pound for V-V it's only about .05-.06 cents more per round.

splithoof
May 8, 2013, 01:03 AM
Local shops for those of us behind the iron curtain are not the best bet; we always order online, and do a group order with several others from our club. The savings in sales tax often exceeds the expense of shipping and Haz-Mat, when ordering in bulk.
As for .308, I use stick powders (4895, 4064, etc.) when weighing charges, and ball powders (748, 2230, 2520, etc.) when using the XL650.

Kachok
May 8, 2013, 03:12 AM
My go to is Varget but with a word of caution, I get excessive pressure well below published max but it shoots so good I don't mind using a starting load. 45gr is as high as i go with 150s I cannot get near Nosler's 48.5gr max my bolt stuck at 46.5gr. W748 worked really well for me too. and I had some promising results from RL15 as well. Sadly the load I was really hoping would work (Big Game and a 165gr SGK) was a flop my 308 does not like anything in 165-168gr which is weird because it shoots 150 and 180gr just fine.

meterman
May 9, 2013, 10:53 AM
Amen.

Kenz@615
May 11, 2013, 09:12 PM
wcc846? do you also use this in 30.06 maybe 300 rem ultra mag?

ArchAngelCD
May 12, 2013, 05:16 AM
wcc846? do you also use this in 30.06 maybe 300 rem ultra mag?
WC846 is the none canister version of BL-C(2) so any cartridge you can use it in you can use WC846 in.

WC846 will work very well in the 30-06 but in the 300 RUM, that's another matter. WC846 is way too fast a powder for use in the 300 RUM.

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