Case Lube - Spray On or Pad?


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cwbys4evr
March 26, 2013, 04:16 PM
The closer I get to receiving my rifle dies, the more I am thinking about case lube. Awhile back I bought a can of Lyman case lube at Cabela's. Now I am thinking about whether a spray on lube is effective enough. Should I get a lube pad instead? I am getting paranoid about stuck cases.

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rcmodel
March 26, 2013, 04:22 PM
I use spray lube exclusively any more.

RCBS or Midway to be exact.

But the Lyman should work as well.

Just follow the directions, don't over-lube, and wait for all the solvent to evaporate before trying to run them in the sizing die.

You only want a thin film of lube on the case.
I spray it on and wipe it around with my fingers as I pick them up.

If you wipe off everything you can with your fingers, it will be just right.

rc

MI2600
March 26, 2013, 04:40 PM
I use the same pad I bought 30-40 years ago. Get's the job done. Just a habit for me.

GCBurner
March 26, 2013, 05:00 PM
I use my fingers, but I'm not a high-volume reloader of rifle cartridges, generally less than 40 at a time. For pistol cartridges, I use carbide dies, and skip the lube altogether.

Hondo 60
March 26, 2013, 05:02 PM
I use a home-made mix of alcohol & lanolin.
So for me, it's spray on.

I put the brass in a zip lock bag, spray in 5 or 6 times & roll 'em around.

jeepmor
March 26, 2013, 05:25 PM
Redding die wax, best stuff ever. Cleanest and easiest alternative of them all IMO I tossed my lube pad and never did use any spray lube. You'll need the case lube with bottleneck cartridges. Or else you'll get good at extracting cases stuck in die, then you'll get case lube.

Tom488
March 26, 2013, 05:29 PM
Spray-on for me - specifically, RCBS Case Slick. I just processed about 1,200 .223 and .308 cases through a Hornady LnL with case feeder (FL resize, trim, neck expand) by dropping about 30 cases at a time into a medium-sized Akro bin, spritzing the lube across the cases 3 or 4 times, shake them around, then dump into case feeder. I do that about 6 times, for about 200 cases in the feeder at a clip. The shaking in the bin, combined with the tumbling in the case feeder, distributes the lube nicely across the cases, and because of the randomness of the cases in the bin, some get their necks lubed, too - so the expander ball doesn't drag.

Didn't stick one case.

GT1
March 26, 2013, 06:06 PM
Pump spray(lanolin and alcohol). Best innovation in case lube, I am glad I wasn't born to reloading in the olden days of lube pads.

Cleftwynd
March 26, 2013, 06:12 PM
Imperial wax, once I tried it many years ago, I wondered why anyone would use anything else.

FTG-05
March 26, 2013, 06:33 PM
Spray on. Keep it simple and easy and you're reload more instead of lubricating individual cases.

Lennyjoe
March 26, 2013, 07:32 PM
Hornady One Shot is my preferred way to lube. I put the case mouth facing down in an RCBS case loading block and spray them down.

X-Rap
March 26, 2013, 07:41 PM
Pump spray from Dillon is my favorite but Cabelas works too.(both lanolin/alcohol) I'm not as impressed with the stuff in the can from Hornady. I'll never touch one of those filthy sticky pads again.

Anmut
March 26, 2013, 07:42 PM
RCBS lube and pad for me for over three years now. Same pad, same bottle of lube - probably 5k+ rifle rounds loaded. I looked into the spray on but the "waiting for it to dry" just didn't fit my reloading habits.

Rangemaster
March 26, 2013, 07:47 PM
Dillon spray on in a ziplock baggy, works the best.

45lcshooter
March 26, 2013, 08:41 PM
Hornady spray in a pie tin.

Walkalong
March 26, 2013, 09:07 PM
I put lube on my pointer finger, then rub it between it, my bow finger, and my thumb, then wipe it around on the cases as I pick them up. Re-lube fingers as needed. All I am doing is sizing, no loading.

erikk8829
March 26, 2013, 09:16 PM
RCBS Pad & Lube-same pad & lube bottle 60+ years & many many rounds Use nylon neck brush every other case

KansasSasquatch
March 26, 2013, 09:18 PM
Anything but One Shot. Usually Unique wax or RCBS Case Slick as that's what I can most often get locally.

FROGO207
March 26, 2013, 09:40 PM
Try what you have already. If you do use spray/pump lube be sure to shake the can before spraying to mix the contents. This works much better. I use a home made version of the One Shot just like Hondo60 and like it a lot.

Elkins45
March 26, 2013, 09:45 PM
I bought a big ol' car washing sponge and one of those plastic shoe boxes from the dollar store. I also bought a quart of wire pulling lube from Lowes for $5.99. I glop a little wire lube onto the sponge, smear it around, then roll my cases across it.

The wire pulling lube is a wax based lube like the Lee case lube. It's not gooey when it dries and can be easily removed with soapy water. I'm becoming a big fan of this method. The pump lanolin sprays perform great as a lube, but the residue is harder to get off the cases than the water soluble waxes are.

GT1
March 26, 2013, 09:56 PM
The pump lanolin sprays perform great as a lube, but the residue is harder to get off the cases than the water soluble waxes are.
By the time I size and decap, trim/debur/chamfer, prime, load, case gauge and weigh my rounds(I always check for empties), there is very little if anything left. They go straight into mags or are boxed up.

I put lube on my pointer finger, then rub it between it, my bow finger, and my thumb, then wipe it around on the cases as I pick them up. Re-lube fingers as needed.
Not for 500 or more .223 cases, no thanks, that would add many minutes.

bigdogpete
March 26, 2013, 11:10 PM
I use a home-made mix of alcohol & lanolin.
So for me, it's spray on.

I put the brass in a zip lock bag, spray in 5 or 6 times & roll 'em around.
Ditto for me also.

gamestalker
March 26, 2013, 11:27 PM
I've been using spray on lube exclusively as well. As long as it is used correctly, which with DCL, or Dillon Case Lube, you must allow it to dry completely, it works just great. I've never stuck a case regardless of what type it was, I just prefer the spray on because lube dents are rare, and it isn't sticky and messy to work with, which helps to preserve my media in the long run as well.

GS

Arbo
March 26, 2013, 11:41 PM
To sort of extend the original question, how important is cleaning the lube off if you used a spray like one shot? And how do you do it?

Waldog
March 26, 2013, 11:42 PM
Imperial wax, once I tried it many years ago, I wondered why anyone would use anything else.

Ditto on Imperial Wax. I use nothing else for rifle cases and I have never had a stuck case since I started using Imperial

Lennyjoe
March 26, 2013, 11:56 PM
I roll the case around in a rag as I inspect the finished product. Don't know about the others but one shot works good for me....

Kevin Rohrer
March 27, 2013, 12:16 AM
Both are too messy and expensive when compared to using Imperial Sizing Wax.

Walkalong
March 27, 2013, 07:27 AM
I put lube on my pointer finger, then rub it between it, my bow finger, and my thumb, then wipe it around on the cases as I pick them up. Re-lube fingers as needed. All I am doing is sizing, no loading.Not for 500 or more .223 cases, no thanks, that would add many minutes.About three months ago I did 1000 .223 that way. It may add 2 seconds a case, so theoretically, it added about 30 minutes when loading. How long does it take to lube the brass with the spray method? Total time before it's ready? Any faster with a lube pad? Nope, I know that answer.. :)

kerreckt
March 27, 2013, 08:42 AM
I have reloaded with a press since about 1983. Just recently I started using Imperial wax. It is the easiest most effective lube of all. It makes everything else look complicated, time consuming and messy. I was under the impression that things must be hard to be good. Stupid me. Just my .02 cents.

Shagg
March 27, 2013, 09:00 AM
Try a few different types of lubes and go with what you have the best luck with. You will get many different opinions from this forum. Some like this, some like that. Don't try to force the brass into the die during the sizing process. It should go into the die fairly easily with the proper lube. With a little practice you will be able to tell before the brass gets stuck wheather it is lubed good enough. I have and have used several types of lubes. Some I like better than others but other people like some of the ones that I don't, so I believe it is up to the user. Personally I like Imperial sizing die wax, but that is just my opinion.

Elkins45
March 27, 2013, 09:03 AM
To sort of extend the original question, how important is cleaning the lube off if you used a spray like one shot? And how do you do it?
I wonder that myself. I remember reading in one of the many reloading books I've read over the years that leaving lube on the case results in increased bolt thrust. That makes sense, because the brass won't be able to grip the chamber walls as hard as if it weren't slick.

When I started loading using oil based lubes I would use lighter fluid and a rag to wipe each case. It was a very slow procedure, but I was only loading a few rounds at a time.

I started loading .223 on a progressive before the spray lubes hit the market. I didn't want to have to clean RCBS case lube off of 1000 rounds so I created my own version of spray lube. I dissolved the Lee case lube in water and used a squirt bottle to apply it to a batch of cases, then let them dry before sizing and loading them. This is a very unscientific statement, but the wax lubes seem like a 'different kind of slick' than lanolin or oil based lubes--like they are more of a 'stick preventer' that a 'slickifier'. I know that sounds totally stupid, but it seems to me that leaving the wax Lee lube on the case is preferable to leaving the other stuff.

Doesn't Lee actually say you can leave it on if you dilute it? I seem to recall in the dim recesses of my memory that's the reason I came up with the idea of spraying it on my .223 cases.

BigG
March 27, 2013, 09:11 AM
Same here - I use the RCBS pad I've had since the 1960's.

rg1
March 27, 2013, 11:22 AM
I've used the same RCBS lube pad since the 1980's. I have long ago switched from RCBS lube to Dillion's spray lube. I still spray the Dilllion lube onto my pad and roll cases. One or two sprays will lube many cases. I use a RCBS nylon neck brush for the inside of necks to apply lube. I get more consistent shoulder sizing by rolling with all having equal lube. Just haven't seen any reason to change. To clean the lube pad occasionally I wipe with odorless mineral spirits on a rag. For sizing 2 or 3 or a few cases I sometimes use Lee's case lube applied by fingers and wipe off the lube after sizing with rags. I put all sized cases in the vibratory tumbler after sizing to remove all case lube.

GLOOB
March 27, 2013, 02:59 PM
About three months ago I did 1000 .223 that way. It may add 2 seconds a case, so theoretically, it added about 30 minutes when loading. How long does it take to lube the brass with the spray method? Total time before it's ready? Any faster with a lube pad? Nope, I know that answer..
Ok. 2 sec a case is way too generous. I'll give you a half second per case. That's 8.3 minutes. It takes me maybe 1-2 min, tops, to spray lube the first 300 .223 cases. It would be quite an "achievement" if I managed to take more than 4-5 min to lube 1000. Mine are ready to go immediately, no drying time; I use Frankford Arsenal in a plastic bag, and I reuse the same bag; it appears to go on thicker. Even at half second per case with Imperial, spray lube is clearly more time efficient in this case (or any case where you are doing 200+ cases, I imagine).

But it's not only the time you can save. Think of the repetitive/redundant movement you are nixxing. Even if it actually took longer, it would still have that advantage.

Just make sure you DON'T follow the instructions on the bottle. The forum has long ago discovered the right ways to use spray lube.

dragon813gt
March 27, 2013, 03:49 PM
Neither. A can of mink oil and my fingers is all I use. It may not be the fastest but I've never had a case get stuck. I did 1k of LC 308 the other night with no issues. Well besides it being extremely boring. Find what works best for you and stick with it.


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Lennyjoe
March 27, 2013, 04:43 PM
So, the answer to the question is........whatever works best for you...;)

Walkalong
March 27, 2013, 05:27 PM
Ok. 2 sec a case is way too generous. I'll give you a half second per case. That's 8.3 minutes. It takes me maybe 1-2 min, tops, to spray lube the first 300 .223 cases. It would be quite an "achievement" if I managed to take more than 4-5 min to lube 1000. Mine are ready to go immediately, no drying time; I use Frankford Arsenal in a plastic bag, and I reuse the same bag; it appears to go on thicker. Even at half second per case with Imperial, spray lube is clearly more time efficient in this case (or any case where you are doing 200+ cases, I imagine).I'm all for easy, but I have never tried spray lube. Which one do you like?

GLOOB
March 28, 2013, 02:23 AM
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/204960/frankford-arsenal-case-lube-8-oz-pump
This is what I use. One pump will lube up to maybe 300 223 cases, the way I do it.

Like I said before, though, just make sure you don't follow the directions printed on the bottle. Done that way, it's messy, expensive, questionably effective, and just plain bothersome.

savanahsdad
March 28, 2013, 04:03 AM
wow 38 posts and no one said REDDING yet ? ok I will Redding lube ,and pad ,and no need to wash them after you size them , just wipe them off with a damp rag after there all loaded up and ready to go in your ammo boxes ,
oh and I have tryed just about every thing listed here , one shot not, rcbs, dillon spray, lee paste, STP, soap, and Pledge dusting spray, , oh and that GB wire pulling lube is soap, not wax , the stuff is great , a lube that you can wash your hands with , but the Redding is what I went back too and if you don't like useing a pad , you can just use your fingers ,

Steve C
March 28, 2013, 05:01 PM
A lot depends upon how much resizing your case needs and how big or heavy the caliber.

For .223 Remington, .30 carbine and other small calibers the spray lubes work fine as the case is small and resizing generally requires little effort. When you use spray lube make sure you allow the alcohol to evaporate leaving the lube to do its job before sizing the cases.

For .30 caliber especially heavy military brass and belted magnums I much prefer to use Imperial die wax as it makes sizing much easier than any spray lube and you don't stick cases. I'm sure that other brands of die wax will work as well though I've not tried them.

GLOOB
March 28, 2013, 05:15 PM
I don't see any problem with 308, using FA spray lube. Sizing is easy peasy.

Chief 101
March 29, 2013, 02:27 PM
RCBS pad for 40 years 1 stuckcase don't Know who's fault
One Shot spray 2 years 3 stuck lube fault
Hornady die wax been good for a couple of years now with no stuck cases yet...
take it for what its worth...If I has a real tough case lube job it would be the RCBS pad lube...Chief aka Maxx Load

mdi
March 29, 2013, 02:53 PM
Fingers! I've been using Mink Oil Boot Dressing for many years and narry a stuck case. .223/5.56, 30-30, 7.64x54r, and straight sided pistol cases too. I also use MOBD for sizing bullets in my Lee sizers, 3 different calibers. I've read of some spray lubes failing and leaving stuck cases, but never a finger applied lube (Imperial and Mink oil). Besides it leaves my hands so soft and purty. :D

warhwkbb
April 1, 2013, 02:25 PM
I'll often size 500 .223 cases at a time and I don't want to wipe each case separately. I use the Lyman spray lube in a loading block, size, then rinse under hot water with a colander then put the cases in the oven at 180 degrees on a baking sheet. Trick to spray on lubes is to let it dry before any sizing, usually about 1 min.

Crashbox
April 1, 2013, 04:09 PM
For rifle I use Hornady Unique case lube and fingers; for handgun, the One Shot aerosol works well IMO (yes, I use it even with carbide dies- makes it a whole lot easier).

floydster
April 1, 2013, 07:55 PM
RCBS lube and my fingers:)

Smokeyloads

4895
April 1, 2013, 10:47 PM
I use oneshot for pistol brass, but only with cases laying flat. For rifle I use a dry neck lube along with imperial applied by hand. I tried a lube pad and found it more trouble than it was worth.

Xelera
April 2, 2013, 03:28 PM
Another vote for Redding's Imperial Sizing Wax.

rbernie
April 2, 2013, 03:30 PM
I use Imperial Wax for small lots, and Dillon's lube sprayed across a boxful of cases (shaken to distribute, and then allowed to dry) for large lots.

Bmac1949
April 3, 2013, 01:10 PM
I pretty much use Walkalong's method for rifle cases. I don't load over a hundred at a time but I use mink oil. I just keep a little on my fingers as I handle the cases, it doesn't take much. Occasionally I'll run a shell through dry to clean out the die. I've used a pad and the spray and I find this method less messy to.

TwoEyedJack
April 4, 2013, 12:34 AM
The rifle I shoot the most is a Ruger #1V in .223. I went to a Lee Collet Die and never have to lube. The accuracy is dramatically enhanced as well.

When reloading for semi-autos I use Hornady spray on. I put around a hundred cases in a pie tin, spray the crap out of them, stir them around, do another quick spray, then start loading. I also spray the inside of the die before I get started.

blarby
April 4, 2013, 01:22 AM
Pad.

cfullgraf
April 4, 2013, 07:38 AM
About three months ago I did 1000 .223 that way. It may add 2 seconds a case, so theoretically, it added about 30 minutes when loading. How long does it take to lube the brass with the spray method? Total time before it's ready? Any faster with a lube pad? Nope, I know that answer.. :)

I use all three major lubrication procedures, pad, spray and finger, depending on my mood. When adding in all time consumed doing something relating lubricating the cases, I really do not find one faster than another.

The key is to do the lubricating to allow for the best use of time. With the spray on, I lubricate the cases first then let the cases dry while I am setting up the press and te rest of the equipment.

Searcher4851
April 4, 2013, 11:51 AM
I like the Imperial Sizing Wax. A little bit goes a long way, and I've never had a stuck case. Many years ago I used the RCBS lube and pad method, but after trying Imperial, I never went back to it.

cajun executioner
April 4, 2013, 12:13 PM
I used RCBS spray lube for the first time last night and I won't be using it again. Ill stick to the Imperial.

Elkins45
April 4, 2013, 01:34 PM
I used RCBS spray lube for the first time last night and I won't be using it again. Ill stick to the Imperial.
What didn't you like about it?

zxcvbob
April 4, 2013, 01:59 PM
I use Dillon pump-spray lube, or Kiwi Mink Oil. I have also used castor oil, applied with fingers like mink oil and it works well. Next thing on my reloading todo list is try my own spray lube made with alcohol and castor oil (castor oil dissolves completely in alcohol, unlike lanolin that just kind of dissolves and can settle out)

Cabelas also sell lanolin pump-spray lube. It's a just little cheaper than Dillon's and it's the same thing.

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