Any thoughts on the Ruger P 345?


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Jim NE
March 26, 2013, 09:29 PM
There's a used Ruger P 345 at a store that I want to buy. Very good shape. Any thoughts on reliability, accuracy or anything else? Anything to look for or be wary of?

.45 acp will never be my main caliber - 9mm, .40, and .38 Special are - but I thought I should have some additional coverage in that chambering. My only other .45 is a Taurus PT 145.

Thanks for any input.

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Tolkachi Robotnik
March 26, 2013, 10:14 PM
I would bet it would work. It is not a very large pistol for a .45, and probably is designed for a CCW crowd. Ruger generally makes things that work, for a long time they work.

breakingcontact
March 26, 2013, 10:39 PM
I suppose if the price is right...

but if you'll spend just a little more you'll be able to get something better and more modern.

markallen
March 26, 2013, 10:44 PM
The main problem with the 345 is dry firing without an empty magazine in the gun.

If dry firing was done without the magazine in place it will damage the firing pin.
I would remove the firing pin and check it for peening.
I doesn't take too many strikes to damage the firing pin.
Other than that, they are a great reliable, and accurate gun.
I cleaned under the rear sight on mine ( removed the magazine disconnect) so I didn't have to worry about the firing pin.
It was very accurate. I never had any malfunctions of any kind. Recoil was actually very soft.
I would still have mine except I couldn't get used to the DA /SA and the flexing in the grip frame under recoil. I grew up on 1911s and I can't seem to warm up to polymer frames.

doserate
March 26, 2013, 10:49 PM
I've had mine for 3 years and have enjoyed shooting it. It had been reliable and accurate. I have my pick of many other fine some greater costing a lot more but I still like the Ruger. If you can get a good deal but it, if you want something more modern look at the SR-45.

Jim NE
March 26, 2013, 10:58 PM
I've had mine for 3 years and have enjoyed shooting it. It had been reliable and accurate. I have my pick of many other fine some greater costing a lot more but I still like the Ruger. If you can get a good deal but it, if you want something more modern look at the SR-45.

Thanks doserate. What would you consider a good deal? They want a shade over $350. It's in very good shape.

JTQ
March 27, 2013, 09:13 AM
Here is a Guns & Ammo P345 video you may like.

http://archives.gunsandammo.com/video/handguns/reviews/torture-tests/ruger-p345-pistol

I always thought the P345 felt like a good handling gun. While I'm usually ambivalent on the subject of magazine disconnect safety's, the P345 seemed to have a rather poorly executed version. If you follow the owners manual you shouldn't have any problems.

The P345 is now out of production and Ruger, while standing behind their product, as usual, is beginning to show signs of not supporting their older, out of production models. I've seen posts from guys with broken P97's getting replacements, but with different models. Depending on how you look at it, that could be a good thing.

wlewisiii
March 27, 2013, 09:42 AM
If you can find a P97, it was a better pistol. I had one of the decocker models that I foolishly sold; it remains the most accurate .45 ACP pistol I've ever shot.

ku4hx
March 27, 2013, 09:44 AM
Unless the gun is super light, the recoil of the .45 ACP is very manageable and not harsh. In fact, it's one of my wife's favorites in both her KP90 and my Glock 30. She's looking to buy an SR45. There's nothing inherently wrong with the P345; all guns have pros and cons and all have their supporters and detractors. It's you're money, if you like the gun there's no real reason not to own one.

The main drawback to any gun chambered in .45 ACP is apparently the significant marginal cost of the ammunition over other calibers. I say "apparently" since I hand craft all my ammunition and am going strictly on what I read in gun forums on this topic. Again, it's your money and only you can decide.

flgolfer29
March 27, 2013, 09:51 AM
I recently sold this unit to finance a different firearm. The P345 was a very accurate gun and reliable, as I shot it very well. Recoil was not bad at all. I sold it to a relative of my wife, $400.00. As others have mentioned, I wish I kept it.:(

joe

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn257/flgolfer29/Jan302011_1077sm.jpg

jmr40
March 27, 2013, 10:23 AM
Buying new, yes, used, probably not. I bought one of the first guns when they came out. It was accurate and reliable. Until the firing pin became damaged from dry firing. Even Ruger was not aware of the problem until guns started being returned.

With most guns with a magazine disconnect they simply will not drop the hammer with no magazine in the gun. With the 345 you can dry fire the gun with no mag in place and the firing pin block prevents a round in the chamber from firing. But doing so will damage the firing pin and it only takes a very few cycles of this and the gun will sometimes fire, sometimes not.

I returned my gun to Ruger,who fixed the problem and returned the gun along with a revised owners manual advising against doing this.

I promptly sold the gun. While there was a lot I liked about it, I felt anything so simple that could damage a gun and make it competely useless has no place on a gun meant for SD. Many advise simply removing the magazine disconnect. I considered that, but for liability reasons decided it was probably not a good idea to bypass a guns safety system. While I think the gun has a lot of potential, there are other designs without this feature that fill the same role.

guyfromohio
March 27, 2013, 10:30 AM
Excellent pistol! Trigger feels horrible, but for some reason it hit at point of aim better than most. I'd buy another in a heartbeat if the price was in that $350-$400 range.

Shipwreck
March 27, 2013, 02:31 PM
I have been tempted by this gun many, many times.

The sights seem a little strange to me - like the dots are too small. But, it seems to be a nice gun., I cannot find anyone with one in my area to let me try, though.

But - as others said... I'd only buy a new one. WIth that dry fire issue - I'd never buy one used.

Cornhusker77
March 27, 2013, 03:37 PM
I bought one from my nephew, and it's been great.
As has been mentioned, it shoots where it points and it fits my hand.
Recoil isn't bad at all
I'd have to be pretty hard up before I'd sell mine

Jim NE
March 27, 2013, 06:28 PM
I went ahead and bought the gun.

Reading the comments from here and two other forums, as well as reviews on the net, the general attitude towards the P345 seems positive. I'm skewing out the criticism of the dry firing limitation, as it shouldn't be rocket science to avoid dry firing the gun. I very much appreciate the warnings - that's the kind of thing I wanted to find out about in this thread. I only wish early buyers of this model could've received the same warning. :(

Buying new would've been fine, except that for the price of a new P345 (if I could find one), I may have started looking at different guns. I've done business with this shop before, and the owner does warranty the used stuff to be problem free. He also said if I should develop a problem down the road, he could send it in for me.

Even though I don't see myself shooting .45 near as much as other calibers, it's nice to have a second pistol in this caliber. Thanks again for all of the input.

Delford
March 27, 2013, 06:53 PM
I bought mine 3 years ago and haven't had any issues with it. It's very accurate, has soft recoil, is easy to field strip and clean and mine is carried in a High Noon Split Decision IWB when not in the bedroom. Some of the repair issues posted were early on and using an empty mag for dry fire is no biggie. I shoot outdoors about 50 - 100 rounds at a time and have put over 1000 round through it now. That's an average of once a month due to rain and bad weather over the 3 year period. Double action pull is a little heavy so I single action at the range. I bought mine used but it had only been fired once (or maybe not at all) and had the paperwork in the box from the first owner. A price of $350 to $400 is fair. Compare it to the S&W M&P 45 or the Ruger SR45 if you can find any.

Jim NE
March 27, 2013, 07:08 PM
Some of the repair issues posted were early on and using an empty mag for dry fire is no biggie.

Thanks, Delford. According to the envelope that holds the spent casing, my new gun was made in late 2011. Shipped and sold during 2012, I'm guessing. Don't think many rounds have been put through it at all. Minimal residue in barrel and feed ramp - gun hasn't been cleaned - but no residue on magazines.

I'll report back when I get a chance to fire it. :)

Fishslayer
March 28, 2013, 03:21 PM
Buying new, yes, used, probably not. I bought one of the first guns when they came out. It was accurate and reliable. Until the firing pin became damaged from dry firing. Even Ruger was not aware of the problem until guns started being returned.

When I was buying my first handgun my LGS had a KP90 & a KP345 in the case. I dry fired both a few times. So even buying new you never know...

(I wound up with the KP90 because I liked everything about it more than the 345)

I returned my gun to Ruger,who fixed the problem and returned the gun along with a revised owners manual advising against doing this.


Actually, they replaced the firing pin and told you how to avoid the problem. They did not fix "the problem" itself. ;)

winddummy
March 29, 2013, 05:11 AM
Since they hit the market I've gone through four of them (I shoot and trade).
They have always been reliable and accurate. My current one has been Magna-Ported, Front Hi-Viz Sight, Wolf extra power recoil spring and 5% extra power magazine spring, reduced power hammer spring and I removed the magazine disconnect. And of course I had Kirpatrick make up their TSS holster and ammo carrier for it. This is a very sweet shooter and will be using it in and up coming shoot. It would seem that a lot of the nay sayers are comparing it against a $1200.00 single action pistol.

Jim NE
March 29, 2013, 12:57 PM
It appears the OP isn't really looking for solid advice and input, rather he is looking for psychological approval for a poor descision already made.

I was looking for OPINIONS, not DIRECTIVES.

Your opinion (in your original post) was skewed out immediately because it was the least informative (considering your condemnation) and because, after viewing your other 10 posts on this forum, it appears you tend to have a generally negative disposition.

After viewing the other two or three threads I posted on other forums, as well as a dozen of threads started by others on this subject, I found at least 100 people who were pleased with their poor decision. And no opinions of the pistol as negative as yours. Probably 95% positive. All were aware of the dry firing caveat.

As I said, the guy who owns the gun store always warranties his used guns to work. So not so much risk.

Fishslayer
March 29, 2013, 01:29 PM
There are a couple of forums dedicated to everything Ruger. The one I frequent has ways of dealing with some of the "issues." Search "cleaning under the rear sight." ;)

Never mind... let me. :D

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=ruger+cleaning+under+the+rear+sight&oq=ruger+cleaning+under+the+rear+sight&gs_l=hp.12...1625.7938.0.10094.35.28.0.2.2.1.657.9020.2-9j8j5j3.25.0...0.0...1c.1.7.psy-ab.td77dXiC-c8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44442042,d.eWU&fp=e90a1558987db8c4&biw=1024&bih=648

Haters say my KP90 is "big, heavy & ugly." Well, I don't think it's ugly. I prefer "businesslike." "Big and heavy" aren't issues because if it's not at the range it's sleeping in the bedside safe. Always gonna be haters no matter what.

Jim NE
March 29, 2013, 01:37 PM
There are a couple of forums dedicated to everything Ruger. The one I frequent has ways of dealing with some of the "issues." Search "cleaning under the rear sight."

Never mind... let me.

Thanks. Haven't decided what I'll do about that, yet. I haven't read of any negative effects of disabling this function so I'll probably end up doing it, but I'll wait to shoot it first.

Appreciate your input.

Fishslayer
March 29, 2013, 01:44 PM
Thanks. Haven't decided what I'll do about that, yet. I haven't read of any negative effects of disabling this function so I'll probably end up doing it, but I'll wait to shoot it first.


The biggest negative I've read about (and it goes for most guns) would be if you need to send it to the factory for warranty or other work. Example: Send your unmolested 3 screw Blackhawk to Ruger and it will come back with the transfer bar safety and you probably won't get the original parts back either. MIGHT be an issue with your local gunsmith. Returning a gun to the owner without the as issued safety features, regardless of who removed them, could open a major can of liability worms.

easyg
March 30, 2013, 02:05 PM
In my humble opinion, the SR45 has made the P345 obsolete.

Delford
March 30, 2013, 06:58 PM
Maybe, but I love to shoot mine. Perhaps I'll get the sr45as well:). I have to do a comparo with the s&w m&p 45c when it comes out. I hope to get an XDs also. Can you tell I like .45acp?

Fishslayer
March 31, 2013, 02:07 AM
In my humble opinion, the SR45 has made the P345 obsolete.

Ummm.. no. Some of us prefer a handgun with a proper hammer. ;)

ku4hx
March 31, 2013, 06:53 AM
In my humble opinion, the SR45 has made the P345 obsolete.
I guess I just have an affinity for the "old and obsolete" then. Since I own 1911s, a "T" model BHP, a S&W 1006 and a brace of KP90s to name a few.

Striker fired guns are indeed a late addition to some maker's lineup, but I seriously doubt hammer fired is really obsolete.

easyg
March 31, 2013, 01:48 PM
Allow me to amend my previous comment, just for you hammer fans...

In my humble opinion, the SR45 and the SR1911 have made the P345 obsolete. ;)

Jim NE
March 31, 2013, 02:45 PM
My brother has a SR1911, and it's nice.

My main goal was to provide some basic coverage in .45 acp. This all stems from the recent ammo panic/shortage nationwide - it turns out you never know which calibers are going to be available in future panics, or what there prices will be.

Before the panic, I would've thought that 9mm and .22lr would've been the last calibers to disappear from the shelves or go through the roof on price, but I was obviously wrong. The .45 acp ammo was more available around here than many other calibers.

I don't see myself shooting a lot of .45 because the ammo is more expensive, but I have a small stash, and I think my Taurus PT 145 and my new Ruger should provide me with affordable solid guns. The PT 145 has been great. I'll update you with my impressions when I shoot the Ruger this week.

Of course, if 9mm prices never come down, maybe I'll invest in a SR1911, too. :)

TimboKhan
April 1, 2013, 12:15 AM
It made it obsolete by bumping the 345 out of production, I guess.

Generally, I was never a 345 fan though I will concede that they shot well. My P90 that I had for eons and sold last year always felt better in my paws than the 345, and for whatever reason I particularly hated the safety of the 345. But, then again, the people that did give them a chance seemed to like them by and large.

The SR45 looks like a nice pistol, and I loved the SR9 I used to own. But alas, I just don't need or even really want a doublestack .45. My SR1911 does everything I need a 45 to do!

And as may be blindingly obvious, I am a humongous Ruger fan!!!

Fishslayer
April 1, 2013, 02:43 AM
In my humble opinion, the SR45 and the SR1911 have made the P345 obsolete. ;)

Well, actually I think Ruger dropped the ball when they eliminated their alloy frame DA/SA P Series .45s. AND the P345. Now they have zero DA/SA .45 in their product line. As much as I like my 1911s its a KP90 that sleeps next to the bed. ;)

None of them are "obsolete" meaning they can no longer accomplish their task, they just don't have the profit margin of the polymer striker fired pistols.

Miata Mike
April 1, 2013, 02:51 AM
For what it's worth, I like mine a lot. Shoot my Kimber 1911 most of the time however.

Jim NE
April 2, 2013, 06:33 PM
Okay, just got back from the range, and I was impressed with my new used P 345. Shot 80 rounds with no misfires or jams of any kind. Accuracy was good, better than I am. It was the typical accuracy scenario I have with every new gun or unfamiliar gun, though - started out the first few shots with pie plate size groupings at 7 to 10 yards, then worked down pretty quickly to saucer sized groupings, a tad low and to the left.

Low and to the left usually means operator error in my book, so I concentrated and by the time I left I had pretty much zeroed in. No reason to believe I won't have tea cup sized groupings in time, but the problem is ammo is so hard to come by, so I'm going to have to put off practicing until I build up my .45 ammo stash a little. I'm sitting ok, but some people are saying November before the shortage ends.

Pros: Really is light on the recoil, doesn't seem at all prone to limp wristing.

Cons: I guess I've gotten used to rubber grips with my CZ 40P and the Hogues on my Ruger P 944. The recoil wasn't unpleasant at all, but the hard grips could be made more pleasant with a rubber sleeve. I have a full sized Handall lying around, but the contour doesn't look right. Saw some other brands at the store.


Overall, A fine gun that gives me what I need for the price I wanted. :)

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