Improving RCBS's APS Strip Loader--Video Demo at the End


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GW Staar
March 27, 2013, 07:22 PM
You can watch it work in a video near the end.

With pre-filled CCI strips the APS primer system is the fastest, safest primer system going. But if you have an gigantic stash of Winchester or Federal primers, what do you do? RCBS chose to furnish a just adequate strip loader that for me is a weak link that can be a bit annoying in an otherwise fast and convenient priming system.

There are four annoyances:
1. The first and worst, is that primer anvils and/or cup edges that are supposed to be at least flush with the edge of the APS primer strips, are sometimes not when they come out of the loader. When they stick up even a little they can jam up a primer machine. Not a serious jam mind you, and easily unjammed by pushing the errant primer down a little, but irritating none the less. It’s a ritual for APS users who use the loader to use a flat something to slide or roll across several strips at once, after loading, to make sure the primers are all down. I have used a small wallpaper roller.

The picture below illustrates the problem. I exaggerated the middle primer for effect, but the left one will catch an edge just as sure.
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1489.jpg
The same strip through the the improved loader …. the strips have plenty of depth to handle recessing.
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1490.jpg

2. Second annoyance: the black lever that has to be pushed just so, not too much or too little, so the the strips can slide in and out. Pros get fairly good at guessing where the sweet spot is, but it’s a less than “precisioneered” feature, and it annoys me....too easy to make it better than that.

3. Third annoyance: Sometimes the plastic bar above the strip doesn’t open wide enough for all the primers to go back and drop in the strip holes. That’s a a design weakness….partially the result of RCBS’s little raised circles in the bottom of the bar (their attempt at recessing primers that doesn’t work), and partly because some primer anvils are just higher than others…even in the same batch. RCBS didn’t allow for those, so one needs to modify the bar a little.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1498.jpg

Picture below is the same piece with the nubs filed off, and additional filing to reduce the depth a little…I may have to reduce it a tad more if I have any more hang up like the last few in the video.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1499.jpg

4. The last annoyance is that the tool is too light. It needs a wood base to make it feel substantial…more ergo if you will. I like to load strips in my easy chair while I’m watching sit-coms or movies. A base has made it easier.

Anyway, I’ve made four mods to remove those annoyances to me. The one (filing the bar) I already showed in the pictures above. I filed, then sanded to 600 grit, and rounded the leading edge. I think I will polish it further. The other three mods are visible in the picture below:

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1484.jpg
To the left, my primer recessing mod. All primer strips exit though it. On the right side is a slide bolt mod that when pushed in gives the lever a stopping place AT THE SWEET SPOT where strips slide. Finally the Oak base!

I made a picture essay to demonstrate how I built these mods. I threw out my rule of not permanently altering the original product, but this tool is fairly cheap, and 5 holes had to be drilled. Two were drilled in the front plastic legs and one in the metal back to hold the base. Then, (picture below), one had to be countersunk in the strip channel and the screw head going in had to be ground and polished flush. This side shows the initial step in making the "primer recesser". This is really high tech with a marble from a craft store, and 3/4" aluminum bar from ACE Hardware.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1476.jpg

Screwed to this countersunk hole, is the bottom 1/8”x3/4”x1 3/4” aluminum bar. 3 holes were drilled: center is drilled with a #36 bit and tapped for the 6-32 flat head machine bolt. The two end holes are drilled 1-1/8” apart (9/16” each side of center) with a 9/64” bit. (the counter sunk hole in the green channel is also 9/64”)

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1478.jpg

Next the 1/16” thick center bar is fastened over the strip channel to the bottom bar with 2 - 1.5” 6-32 bolts and nuts, but not tight enough to deform the center bar. (blue loctite used here) Center bar has a 1/2” hole drilled in the center, then the two 9/64” holes same as the top bar. While the bar shape is arbitrary, the 1/16” thickness is mandatory for the marble to protude below it deep enough.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1479.jpg

Anyone who has had to replace the innards of a Delta faucet recognizes the spring. If you don’t have one lying around, you can get one from Ace hardware in their spring display ….. pennies. The other high tech part is a glass marble from a craft shop …. the type people pour into vases with their fake flowers …. no, you can’t just buy a single one, but they’re still cheap.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1480.jpg

Finally the top bar is carefully placed over the spring and fastened lightly with the 2 brass 6-32 thumb nuts (ACE again). It should be tightened only enough to keep the spring. Screwed on too tight and it’s hard to advance the strips. The top bar is the same size as the bottom bar only the center hole is different. It’s a drilled depression 13/32 diameter. Drill it only deep enough to keep the spring. IOW's straight sides of only 1/32” depth will do a great job. BTW Aluminum and glass was used to prevent sparks.

Next picture is some measurements, then a picture of all the parts for these mods.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1486.jpg
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1469.jpg


The next two pictures show how I anchored the tool to the simple oak base … self-explanatory.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1474.jpg
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1481.jpg

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GW Staar
March 27, 2013, 07:23 PM
Finally the right "Strip Insertion" side of the tool with the "Slide Bolt Mod" which makes inserting and removing strips easy. The first picture shows the slide in the "OUT" position allowing for full compression of the strip compression bar. You will notice that the slide bolt is notched such that the top is cut out and the sides remain. The important thing is to leave 1/10” thickness in those sides to slip under the plastic compression bar.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1461.jpg

The next picture shows it in the "IN" position. In this position, pressing the lever can only press the compression bar to the “sweet spot” that allows strip movement under the bar.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1462.jpg

Above: The slide bolt is the 2” version sold at Home depot on the door hardware aisle. The little nub sticking up on the end was the rivet that held a keep on. I ground the rivet flush then popped the keeper off. That left the nub which worked perfectly to keep the slide from being pulled off.
Below: I got tired and didn’t file the end of the bolt rail. Yup its ugly…amplified by this huge closeup. I’ll get around to it. Anyway it shows the assembly, that’s screwed on with one machine screw. You can’t really get a nut inside the housing here, so I drilled the plastic and tapped it. Then screwed in the 6-32 bolt. The brass nut and lock washer underneath slide are just spacers…well the lock washer does double duty.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1460.jpg

More pictures of the slide bolt assembly.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1467.jpg

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1464.jpg

Finally, the video. Click on the picture.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/th_APSLoaderImproved.jpg (http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/APSLoaderImproved.mp4)

Recessed small primer strip
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1488.jpg
Recessed large primer strip.....both sizes work well.
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1487.jpg

It works.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/Improved%20APS%20Strip%20Loader/IMG_1459.jpg

Walkalong
March 27, 2013, 09:01 PM
Very cool. Nice addition with the marble to get the primers down where they do not hang up.

grandpawj
March 28, 2013, 12:13 AM
I like it. Thanks for posting with details fine enough to enable others to copy. I have subscribed to the thread. After I round up the supplies, think I'll do the mod myself.

1KPerDay
March 28, 2013, 12:37 AM
Great pics, ideas and execution. I admire people like you. :cool:

cfullgraf
March 28, 2013, 08:15 AM
GW Staar, nice modifications to the strip loader.

Peter M. Eick
March 29, 2013, 04:24 PM
Neat, very neat and impressive. Very nice work!

CMD-Ky
April 1, 2013, 08:14 PM
Just filing the nibs off improved the tool immensely. The strips are much easier to load. The marble with spring is ingenious, I am going to experiment with making that. Until I get that right, the wallpaper roller will continue to get a work out.

Thanks, GW, once again you have helped me out.

GW Staar
April 4, 2013, 12:42 AM
Thanks for all the repies and kind words. Half the fun is sharing, CMD-Ky, .... you're welcome.

Otto
April 4, 2013, 02:23 AM
How it works...
Powder Valley sells CCI APS primers for $31 per thousand.
The 1k primers are preloaded on 40 strips.
Simply use the primers and sell the empty strips on eBay for a $1 a piece.
$40 = Free primers plus a $9 profit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RCBS-APS-8-Unprimed-Primer-Strips-White-Large-Pistol-88511-Small-Pistol-88513-U-/251243904631?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7f4dbe77 This guy is actually getting $1.25 per strip

GW Staar
April 4, 2013, 10:46 AM
Great idea when the time comes that you can actually buy CCI Primers of any kind from Powder Valley. Right now they aren't even taking back orders.

Strange part is that I can go to my local gun store and buy CCI's all I want. They just don't carry APS. That may be why the empty strips appear to be selling.:rolleyes: But...I haven't seen any actually sold for the gouged prices...you can list all you want...but, you may be dreaming.

Peter M. Eick
April 5, 2013, 06:16 PM
At a buck a strip, I must have given away thousands of dollars worth!

Yikes I had now idea they were valuable.

GW Staar
April 7, 2013, 12:49 AM
Mighty magnanimous of you, huh!:D A dollar a piece for used is pretty high though.... What I see on Ebay is new, gouged prices except for a couple of listings. Prices at Graf & Sons, and at Midway is $6 for 8 strips....and that's pretty pricey IMO. Gander Mountain is gouging at $8 for a new package of 8. Factory list at RCBS is $6.95.

Peter M. Eick
April 7, 2013, 02:33 PM
I would always give them out to fellow Pro2000 loaders in need. I know I have sent out several big care packages full of strips over the years.


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

It is my civic duty to spread the wealth of APS strips around. That way they are not cluttering up my garage!

Seriously though, I had no idea there was even much value to them. I can't picture buying them per se. I still have cases of primers in strips that have to be used. My plan is to continue loading with the preloaded APS's I have and weather this short term shortage and then buy more in strips this fall. We are probably due for another 100,000 primer order between the 4 of us by Halloween.

CGT80
April 8, 2013, 01:19 AM
I was loading 30-30 on my dillon 550 the other night, but some of the primers wouldn't seat all the way. I pre primed on the rcbs strip primer and had to load strips to use. I was thinking it would be great if it worked better. Sometimes the primers don't go all the way over the strip to fall in place and I have to link two strips to get one to the right position. I'll have to try some of these mods.

I had the plastic bushings break for my aps bench primer. I got some small copper tubing and flared the ends and filed the inside. I basically made the same bushings but out of copper. They work just as well as the plastic ones but they don't wear out.

GW Staar
April 8, 2013, 10:56 AM
I was loading 30-30 on my dillon 550 the other night, but some of the primers wouldn't seat all the way. I pre primed on the rcbs strip primer and had to load strips to use. I was thinking it would be great if it worked better. Sometimes the primers don't go all the way over the strip to fall in place and I have to link two strips to get one to the right position. I'll have to try some of these mods.

I had the plastic bushings break for my aps bench primer. I got some small copper tubing and flared the ends and filed the inside. I basically made the same bushings but out of copper. They work just as well as the plastic ones but they don't wear out.

I use the primer tool on my Pro 2000 and the APS hand primer, but never tried the bench version. I've heard it is a good tool. Good idea on the bushings. I wonder if a supply house would have bronze bushings with the same IS/OS diameters. Might be worth it for owners to get a set to preempt the break you described.

Otto
April 8, 2013, 12:13 PM
That may be why the empty strips appear to be selling.:rolleyes: But...I haven't seen any actually sold for the gouged prices...you can list all you want...but, you may be dreaming.even taking back orders.
Dreaming or not, used strips have sold on eBay for over a buck a piece.
Hell, I'd be happy to get 50 cents a piece. That's like a $20 rebate on each box of primers.

Yeah, Grafs and Midway sells them for $6 but they then tack-on $7 shipping.

GW Staar
April 8, 2013, 12:48 PM
Otto, good points, if listings have actually sold. I assume you have noticed actual sales of the listings.

I have bought some from Grafs, but only with more sizable orders. Since their shipping stays the same whether you buy $5 worth or $500 worth, it's still $7. At least that way shipping becomes negligible. Midway's shipping is another matter, it grows with each article in the order. Either way, it would be nuts to just buy a package of strips. Ebay's pricing includes shipping?

One thing you don't get with used strips is the 4-strip stickers so you can store them safely. I have emailed RCBS, asking to buy some of them. They responded my sending me 50 or so free. Don't know why they won't sell them. Been meaning to check an office supply for a sticker that would work...haven't yet...they would have to be made with adhesive that isn't permanent (hard to remove).

CMD-Ky
April 8, 2013, 03:48 PM
Otto, good points, if listings have actually sold. I assume you have noticed actual sales of the listings.

I have bought some from Grafs, but only with more sizable orders. Since their shipping stays the same whether you buy $5 worth or $500 worth, it's still $7. At least that way shipping becomes negligible. Midway's shipping is another matter, it grows with each article in the order. Either way, it would be nuts to just buy a package of strips. Ebay's pricing includes shipping?

One thing you don't get with used strips is the 4-strip stickers so you can store them safely. I have emailed RCBS, asking to buy some of them. They responded my sending me 50 or so free. Don't know why they won't sell them. Been meaning to check an office supply for a sticker that would work...haven't yet...they would have to be made with adhesive that isn't permanent (hard to remove).
I have wondered about the tape that is sold to trim paint with. I always comes off and I have never noted a residue.

Otto
April 8, 2013, 04:03 PM
Otto, good points, if listings have actually sold. I assume you have noticed actual sales of the listings.
Either you didn't click on the link I posted above or you failed to notice that the eBay listing was mark "SOLD".
Here it is again....http://www.ebay.com/itm/RCBS-APS-8-Unprimed-Primer-Strips-White-Large-Pistol-88511-Small-Pistol-88513-U-/251243904631?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7f4dbe77

*This isn't an endorsement for eBay but when it comes to saving or making money I put my prejudices aside.

GW Staar
April 8, 2013, 06:04 PM
Yeah finally saw it! I did go to your link...and looked for "sold" everywhere... except for on the picture of the strips! Thanks for the reply. I'll keep watching him. I need yellow not red tho.:) His Lego Darth Vader caught my eye...$25?? Who would've thought.

I like Peter's prices better though. BTW, Peter, I have some yellow Easter egg dye left, maybe that'd work on the white ones I now have lots of!:D I got those at a good price, but not free....wouldn't feel right about free.

GW Staar
April 8, 2013, 06:10 PM
Yeah finally saw it! I did go to your link...and looked for "sold" everywhere... except for on the picture of the strips! Thanks for the reply. I'll keep watching him. I need yellow not red tho.:) His Lego Darth Vader caught my eye...$25?? Who would've thought.

I like Peter's prices better though. BTW, Peter, I have some yellow Easter egg dye left, maybe that'd work on the white ones I now have lots of!:D I got those at a good price, but not free....wouldn't feel right about free.

I have wondered about the tape that is sold to trim paint with. I always comes off and I have never noted a residue.

Might work....the "removable trait" of the blue is supposed to be good for 2 weeks and it lasts longer than that if kept out of the sun....the green is good for twice that. However the adhesive on CCI/RCBS strips is supposed to last indefinitely...on the other hand one wouldn't expect to store them in the sun.

Peter M. Eick
April 9, 2013, 09:07 PM
Next time I come through New Mexico on my way to ride the train in Durango, I promise to bring you a 5 gallon pail of strips. Sorry they will be mostly white, but at least there will be a lot of them.

Also i will save the boxes they come in. I am just about finished with another box this week and I am sure I will go through 2 or 3 more by next week.

GW Staar
April 10, 2013, 01:35 AM
Next time I come through New Mexico on my way to ride the train in Durango, I promise to bring you a 5 gallon pail of strips. Sorry they will be mostly white, but at least there will be a lot of them.

Also i will save the boxes they come in. I am just about finished with another box this week and I am sure I will go through 2 or 3 more by next week.

That's interesting Pete! Just how often do you ride that train? I rode it once when I was 12 with my folks and brother. My little brother was 6. He had screaming nightmares for a month after. My Dad had to stick his head under the water faucet to wake him up and stop the screaming. He could never remember anything. I think he was falling from the giant trestle in the dream!:D

If you and your wife like baseball, you might time it one August. I'd give you good tickets to the Connie Mack World Series, that's here every year...2nd week in August. That's 18 year-olds (best in the country from California to Puerto Rico to New York to Canada). I have watched many majors play here before they became stars.

deepskyridge
April 10, 2013, 10:19 AM
Thanks for posting this, I am going to make the mods to my strip loader. I have found also some of the strips come out of the package with some problems. I manually run the priming pin through each hole to make sure they will work OK.

Thanks Again
Gary

GW Staar
April 10, 2013, 11:18 AM
Thanks for posting this, I am going to make the mods to my strip loader. I have found also some of the strips come out of the package with some problems. I manually run the priming pin through each hole to make sure they will work OK.

Thanks Again
Gary

You're welcome. I haven't come across any bad strips that are new...must be luckier.:) Be aware that sometimes used strips, not stored flat, can have a bow in them and that can make them stand to high in the slot and not allow primers to slide in and fill all the holes in the strip filler. That can be caused by the black steel hold-down plate not having been pushed all the way down during assembly. Mine wasn't.

THE BLACK STEEL HOLD-DOWN PLATE: From the pictures above, one can surmise that the green plastic part that pushes in primers, simply pulls off to disassemble. Well, the black steel plate under it comes off the same way. It is friction-fit over the three green cylindrical buttons. You just need to be careful using a small screwdriver to pry it up one side at a time....you don't want to make it permanently loose.

The object is to make sure there is nothing under it to hold it up higher than it should be....higher means the strips on one end can ride up a little and prevent primers from sliding in and over the top of each hole.

So then, making sure things are flat underneath (no foreign things or plastic seams around the buttons) just press the plate down over the buttons and with a small socket wrench socket over each button, use a small hammer to pound it down tight everywhere so there is NO open crack between metal and plastic under the plate.

I made a mental note to myself that if it ever gets loose and won't stay down, I may have to drill a hole on each side and screw it down tight. So far, that's not necessary.

This last subject ought to have been added to the picture post, but THR, in their infinite wisdom, makes editing go away after a few days. So later readers may miss this unless they read every post.????? My opinion is that that policy is too restrictive and is a major flaw in THR.

Peter M. Eick
April 10, 2013, 08:24 PM
GW,

I try to hit the train about every other year. Last time I was up I did the cab ride (truly impressive) and the scooter ride one day, then 1st class another day and coach the third. This way I get to see it all and chase the train another day or two. It allows me as a model RR fan to study different aspects for my model train and understand how they work.

I plan on hitting it again this fall. Probably late September or early November. I have to burn up my vacation sometime.

Now back to APS strips. So if you don't store them flat they bow? Hmm. I had not thought of that. I rarely use them twice so I probably would not have noticed.

GW Staar
April 11, 2013, 12:15 AM
The way you stuff them tightly into a 5 gallon can, I doubt there is much of a problem. Until it's full though, you might lay them in a box. What I bought from you was fine....a few were bowed a little, but minor, and once I reseated the black bar in the loader, it wasn't an inconvenience at all. I wouldn't be the least bit concerned, buying more like that. I really am going to test Easter egg dye!:D

I don't have any experience at it, but if I had some strips that were bad, I'd try laying them in a cookie sheet in a 150 degree oven until they flattened....bet they'd cool off and remain straight......don't have any bad enough to try.

Didn't know you were a model railroader! Have you ever been on the Chama Nm to Osier Co. narrow gauge train? The mountains that one goes through is different....maybe more beautiful....least it was before the bark beetle destroyed all the fir trees. That model railroad hobby takes more time than reloading!

deepskyridge
April 28, 2013, 01:09 PM
I bought a bag of clear marbles at WalMart. I have lots, anyone wants a couple, send me SASE and I will send you a couple. PM me for my address.

Gary:)

Rule3
May 12, 2014, 04:38 PM
Nice Mod, thanks for your help and providing this link. I think I will actually try to load some ammo on the New press before engaging in any Mods. I am confused enough!:D

stubbicatt
May 12, 2014, 04:53 PM
GWStar, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You must have a 50 pound brain.

GW Staar
May 13, 2014, 12:47 AM
No, actually my head is smaller than most. Here's a family picture.....I'm the guy on the right with the rifle. Love the gun hobby! Cousin Mbuga (a master practical joker), and Uncle BJ are posing with me. Yeah we're a little strange.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWrhwGLMs0eWTIx3voy_8QJTqXJlu6j3eKpuGCpKy0NKPr4yjv3g

gibekim
May 13, 2014, 07:56 AM
Nice work, very professional. However I would be concerned that by filing off the projections from the top pressure bar you are creating more vertical room for a primer to flip. I have had a lot of WSP's flip on me while loading strips. Not so much of a problem with CCI's. There are three round indentations about 1/2" in diameter in the undeside of the clear plastic cover near the area where the loose primers slide onto the strip. It seems that when a WSP gets under one of these while shaking the primers into place, some have a tendency to flip. There may be a slight size difference between WSP and CC I primers that allows this to occur. My solution to prevent this is to place the clear cover with the logo side down. While I still get an occasional WSP flipping, the percentage is very small.

GW Staar
May 13, 2014, 09:27 AM
If every strip you push in is new and perfectly straight you don't need to file off the bar. Trouble is the used ones that gain a little "character" and prevent primers from sliding in where the strips don't lay perfectly flat.

I've load a lot of Winchester and I have never seen a tendency for them to flip, so I can't relate to what you are saying personally.....maybe all lids aren't created equal, or maybe the nibs under the bar are catching edges and flipping them. Filing the nibs smooth might actually prevent the problem you are having. No edges to catch edges. BTW ... you are shaking side to side only, right?

Smoothing the edges in the lid indentations you suspect may help too. I'd Fill them in with clear gap filling super glue .... just be sure to sand the glue just after it sets up before it gets harder than the plastic lid (you have an hour from setup to too hard). I use those 4 grit finger nail sandpaper stick to work with super glue with styrene plastic. Start with the course and end with the fine. Then polish with Dillion brass polish or something similar. Result will be difficult to see where you filled.

Thanks for the heads up. Some may run into that.

Conservidave
May 13, 2014, 10:21 PM
Awesome job GW, Proud to be a fellow New Mexican.

buckbrush
May 15, 2014, 03:03 PM
after reading this I went and loaded 120 primer strips(3000 primers). As long as I press down hard and hold the handle down for a count of 5, the primers are slightly recessed. If I just press down the handle and then release it, the primers are proud of the plastic. This is with S&B small pistol primers.

I find small pistol and rifle primers more tricky to load strips with than the large rifle and pistol one are. I cannot find pre loaded strips in Kanada.

GW Staar
May 15, 2014, 03:54 PM
Since I built the mods into mine I haven't even had to check for "proud" edges. That alone is worth it to me. I lost one weekend figuring it out, building it, and testing it. Most people who have built their own do it in an evening, and most think its worth it. But if you don't that's OK too.

In these weird times of handloading scarcity, all of us have trouble finding what we want. I use the following two sources for my preloaded APS. I don't order one 1000 count box.....the haz mat is too expensive. But if I order 2 or 3 boxes of 5000 count boxes the haz mat is inconsequential. Yes that's an expensive order.....on the other hand you have primers in stock for a long time. Most of us less wealthy types have to plan ahead for it to be sure. Of course I don't know if Canada sales of primers from these sources are done? Yes? No?

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/search/keywords/APS there is small rifle & small pistol in stock there.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=APS Midway has several types in stock.....I like their notification feature where they email you went what you are waiting for comes in......but you have to be fast.

Conservadave!: Thanks for the compliment! I'm a NW New Mexican.....big state, few people, lots of game and endless places to shoot. Dang near perfect, except this year the d...mn..d wind won't go away!:)

buckbrush
May 20, 2014, 10:19 PM
importing primers, powder and ammunition from the U.S to Canada is legal by Canadian law, but not by U.S. law without an Export cert.

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