Traffic Stop has this ever actually happened to anyone?


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Trunk Monkey
March 29, 2013, 11:52 AM
My question grew out of a current thread asking if it should be mandatory to inform a police officer that you are armed during a traffic stop.

Whether you choose to inform or not is your business (unless dictated by law) and I don’t have a problem with that but one of the most common reasons I hear for doing so is so that the officer doesn’t discover the gun by accident.

My question is has this ever actually happened to anyone and how did it pan out?
Thanks for your time

ETA: I don't think I asked this clearly enough, have you ever NOT informed an officer that you were armed and then had him find the gun?

If so, how did it pan out?

Thanks again

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BRE346
March 29, 2013, 12:11 PM
Yep, I got pulled over for going a little fast on my way back form the gun range.

Being a good boy I put the gear in park, turned off the engine and put both hands up on the wheel. When I saw the trooper coming up the right side I lowered the passenger window. He asked for my license and insurance. I started to move toward the glove box, halted, and said "I have a license and I'm armed." This is Texas law.
"Where is it?" he asked. I pointed to my right hip with my left hand.
"Leave it there." he said. I continued to dig in the glove box for the insurance slip then carefully past the firearm to my hip pocket for the licenses.

He disappeared with them for a few minutes and returned with a warning about driving a little slower from now on.

My fellows on another forum approved this way of responding. Worked for me.

M2 Carbine
March 29, 2013, 12:12 PM
Yes it happen to me and I was a Police officer at the time.

I was on vacation in another state. Local LEO checked me out as a suspicious person.
I forgot I had my off duty 38 in the glove compartment when I opened it to get my car registration.
The local LEO saw the gun. IMO they overreacted, since I had already identified myself as a Police Officer.

They did everything but handcuff me.

Finally a call to my home state Police station verified that I was LEO and I was on vacation. Then I was released. (Without an apology)

Now if some LEO will do that to a fellow officer you can imagine what they will do to you if they "find" your gun by accident.

That's why I say you aren't using good judgement if you don't announce your (legal) gun up front.


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berettaprofessor
March 29, 2013, 12:13 PM
I imagine, based on past threads, you'll get a load of responses most of them positive.

I've done it twice, once when I "accidently" pulled into a one-way street right in front of a police officer. When he stepped up, I told him I was carrying and didn't realize it was one way until I turned in. He laughed about the mistake, said be more careful, and never responded to my statement about carrying.

The second time, I was stopped at a construction zone when the car behind me was pushed into my jeep by a truck that came up too fast behind us. When the responding officer came, I told him (quietly and off to the side) I had a carry permit but my gun was in the middle compartment in my truck. He said that's fine, make sure it stays there, and seemed more interested that my jeep sustained absolutely no damage (except a 1 inch tear in my tire cover), while the car behind me (a low sedan like a Camry or something) got it's radiator penetrated and the entire front and back end crushed in.

M2 Carbine
March 29, 2013, 12:36 PM
Come to think of it it happened to me a few years ago.

I was on the way home from a friend's funeral. I was very upset and in a hurry to get home.
A TX State Trooper pulled me over.
When he came up to the door, I asked him if he minded if I got out of the car, (I guess I looked upset). He said OK. As I opened the door and got out I handed my DL and TX CHL to the officer and said, "I have a gun in the car but none on me".

He said, "The one by the seat?". He had saw the gun when I got out but this being Texas that's no big deal.

I said, "Yeah, thats one of them", I have a couple more in the vehicles.

The Trooper checked out my DL and just told me to slow down a little.

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Hangingrock
March 29, 2013, 12:40 PM
It is mandatory in NC.

silicosys4
March 29, 2013, 12:44 PM
The first and only time I told an officer that I had a permit and a firearm, he immediately stepped back, put his hand on his weapon, and asked me where it was. He then told me to keep my hands on the wheel as he came around to the passenger side, hand on his weapon the entire time, opened my passenger door, reached in my glovebox, and took my firearm. He then took it back to his car, ran the serial number, and handed it back to me unloaded without my ammunition after the stop, along with the very minor traffic infraction I had earned. His comment was "nice revolver, glad it wasn't stolen". Since I live in a state without the requirement to disclose, I won't be doing that again.

Edit: He was a younger guy, looked pretty new to his duties. I do not know the legality of his actions Since in my state one can be arrested with no provocation or cause if the officer feels that by arresting you he is increasing his own safety, It would not surprise me if it is legal to forcibly take possession of a private firearm for reasons of "officer safety". I am pretty sure that it is against my rights to run the serial number without there being any evidence or probable cause of a crime. In my circumstances I believe the officers' actions represented the mindset of an individual and not necessarily that of local LE as a whole, but I'm not inclined to do a case study.

BBQJOE
March 29, 2013, 12:50 PM
IMO, and that of a DPS friend, if you're a BG and plan to use it, they are somewhat ready for that, if you're a GG and have no intention of using it, what does it matter?

To me, I guess it all depends on the intensity of the situation as to whether I would inform or not.

jmorris
March 29, 2013, 12:52 PM
I always hand them my DL and CHL at the same time but I don't volunteer any information they don't ask for and answer "yes sir" or "no sir" if I can.

Had an officer pull me over once and after handing him my license and confirming I had a pistol with me he asked if there were any other firearms in the car. After I told him where it was, he ducked down to look and said "Oh!" and took a step back towards the rear of the vehicle.


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The_Next_Generation
March 29, 2013, 12:52 PM
silicosys4, is it legal for a police officer to just reach in your car and grab something like that? Or are you consenting by telling him where it is in the vehicle?

Interesting that he didn't give you your ammo back..

- TNG

Deer_Freak
March 29, 2013, 01:01 PM
This is comical more than advice. A local sheriffs deputy that I know personally pulled me over to ask if I knew someone that lives on the same road that I live on. I put my hands on the steering wheel and informed him I had a weapon as required by law. He responded that he wanted to see the weapon that was laying on the seat beside me. I whipped out a 6.5" Blackhawk and handed it to him butt first. For some reason me getting a large gun that fast startled him and the poor fellow almost jumped back into a busy highway. Now if I know the officer I just put my gun on the dash so the gun porn can go on without anyone jumping in the highway.

mcmurry
March 29, 2013, 01:08 PM
Here in Arkansas it's law to hand over both the DL and CHL. They usually ask if I have a gun with me and so far, every time they have said, "Just leave it where it's at."

r1derbike
March 29, 2013, 01:17 PM
I always hand them my DL and CHL at the same time but I don't volunteer any information they don't ask for and answer "yes sir" or "no sir" if I can.

Had an officer pull me over once and after handing him my license and confirming I had a pistol with me he asked if there were any other firearms in the car. After I told him where it was, he ducked down to look and said "Oh!" and took a step back towards the rear of the vehicle.


HaHa! I'd take two steps back toward the rear if I saw that muzzle pointed at me! Officer Friendly, "What have you got that AR strapped to your roof for"?

Road rage...

I see your scope in the rear view mirror.

Arkansas is must inform. I'd inform if pulled over. Not worth a cop goin' medieval on your hiney if he sees it, and possibly losing a carry permit. Some here wouldn't inform, no matter what.

98C5
March 29, 2013, 01:24 PM
Don't have to inform in Virginia, but I always do. However they'll already know by running your tags.

One state trooper that pulled me over was kind of an ass. I told him I have a concealed weapon in the vehicle. He asked where and I pointed to my carry bag on the passenger seat. He said" "As long as it stays there we won't have any trouble". :rolleyes:

Whatever...

I mean, what did he think I would do?? Kind of a dumb thing to say but he was the exception. All the other troopers have been great. One asked what my license plate meant. (It says PRO 2A) I told him and he smiled. :D

Phatty
March 29, 2013, 01:25 PM
silicosys4, is it legal for a police officer to just reach in your car and grab something like that? Or are you consenting by telling him where it is in the vehicle?

Interesting that he didn't give you your ammo back..

- TNG
I think the police are permitted to to take and secure firearms during the course of a stop to ensure their safety if they feel there is such a need.

But, I'm not sure they are allowed to then run a search (without consent) on the serial number to see if it is stolen without having probable cause to believe it may be stolen.

One thing I can guarantee is that the police are not allowed to steal your ammunition.

1KPerDay
March 29, 2013, 01:33 PM
In Utah when they run your license they'll know you're CCW permit holder anyway, so I always hand them my license and CCW permit. Cop asks, "are you armed?" "Yes sir." "Where is it?" "Right front pocket." (or wherever it is) "Leave it there." "Of course."

Always happens like this, no problems.

jdh
March 29, 2013, 01:39 PM
I had a Texas trooper ask me one time, "Just why to think you need to carry a gun?"
My reply "Why do you?" was not well received it would seem. I got the ticket.

I could tell the one about the Ft. Hood MP PFC stopping me on the home in base housing while in a Harker Heights Reserve uniform but it would take a novella's worth of space.

dirtykid
March 29, 2013, 02:34 PM
Only happened once to me,
Got pulled over for our stupid seatbelt law,and when I handed him my license I also gave him my handgun permit card, He looked at the card,handed it back to me and took my license back to the car with him, didnt even ask where the weapon was,
(Which I thought was pretty cool of him)
But then he came back from his car with "the book" , open to a fresh ticket-page,
apparently they keep track now of any time a person has been given a warning for seatbelt violation,and a quick check showed I had just been warned about 2-weeks previous , So I guess it was my own stubborness that earned me that $135 fine..
Other wise given his nonchalant attitude,I think he would have just told me to have a good day, and sent me on my way..

Bill4282
March 29, 2013, 02:56 PM
With the current shortage of ammo, the cop just needed to replenish supply

Plan2Live
March 29, 2013, 02:57 PM
In SC we are required to inform if licensed to carry. I wear my seat belt, don't text and drive, don't speed or do anything else to attract attention so no, no experience with this issue.

I advise my students that if they do get pulled over to get their license, permit, registration, etc out before the officer gets to the window. You know what he is going to ask you for so be ready, turn the engine off, hands on the wheel and all that. Put the officer at ease and be polite.

denton
March 29, 2013, 03:02 PM
It used to be required to notify a police officer here in Utah, but that is no longer the case.

If they run your plates, they automatically know you have a concealed carry permit. If they don't run your plates, they won't know you have a permit, and you most likely won't get a ticket.

I did get stopped for having a tail light out, and as I took my driver license out of my wallet, the officer spotted my concealed carry permit. He asked about it, and whether I had a firearm. I admitted that I was embarrassed because I was without one that day. I try not to let that happen.

460Kodiak
March 29, 2013, 03:06 PM
Mandatory where I live. I always inform, just to be upfront, but don't hardly get pulled over. My state also has you exit your vehicle and go sit in the cruiser to talk. so you don't run, and to see if you are impaired. Drunk driving is a real problem here, so this is their way of checking you, without checking you.

I got pulled over in Wyoming. Had a 357 sitting on top of the manual in the center counsol, which is where my registration was. I informed the cop I needed to move it to get to the registration. Told him I had a permit, and offered to show him. "He laughed and said, this is WY, you don't need a permit here." "Oh yeah, well I don't want you to think I'm going for it or anything." He thanksed me for letting him know, wrote me a ticket, and sent me on my way.

I just choose to always inform as a habit. I feel it helps the cop see that you are a law abiding citzen who just screwed up a bit.

Archer
March 29, 2013, 03:23 PM
In Utah when they run your license they'll know you're CCW permit holder anyway, so I always hand them my license and CCW permit. Cop asks, "are you armed?" "Yes sir." "Where is it?" "Right front pocket." (or wherever it is) "Leave it there." "Of course."

Always happens like this, no problems.

Actually it used to be required upon detention by any peace officer in Utah. Apparently no longer the case. But, BCI recommends disclosure. As does common sense.

Trunk Monkey
March 29, 2013, 03:25 PM
I think you guys are missing what I asked please allow me to restate:

Assuming no law requiring you to inform, Have you ever failed to inform and then have the officer find the gun.

If this has happened to you , how did it pan out.

Trunk Monkey
March 29, 2013, 03:31 PM
Yes it happen to me and I was a Police officer at the time.

I was on vacation in another state. Local LEO checked me out as a suspicious person.
I forgot I had my off duty 38 in the glove compartment when I opened it to get my car registration.
The local LEO saw the gun. IMO they overreacted, since I had already identified myself as a Police Officer.

They did everything but handcuff me.

Finally a call to my home state Police station verified that I was LEO and I was on vacation. Then I was released. (Without an apology)

Now if some LEO will do that to a fellow officer you can imagine what they will do to you if they "find" your gun by accident.

That's why I say you aren't using good judgement if you don't announce your (legal) gun up front.


Did they not accept your credentials?

This is anecdotal and second hand but when I was in the tenth grade (1982) one of my teachers told the whole class that her husband (FBI agent) had been stopped over the weekend when he opened the glove box to get his POI the cop saw his service weapon and, according to his wife, punched him in the chest .
Apparently hubby forgot to mention he was a fellow LEO

SaxonPig
March 29, 2013, 03:57 PM
Twice when I lived in Utah (1 for speeding and 1 DUI checkpoint) and once after I moved to AR. In UT I handed over my permit with DL and nothing was said either time. In AR the pistol was in plain sight on the passenger side floor and I told the cop there was a gun on the floor. Nothing more was said about it.

Oh, no tickets in UT or AR stops. I think they appreciate straightforward honesty.

I have heard many horror stories about cops overreacting but have not experienced any.

Larry Ashcraft
March 29, 2013, 06:21 PM
I wear my seat belt, don't text and drive, don't speed or do anything else to attract attention so no, no experience with this issue.
Best answer yet.

I will probably jinx myself for saying this, but I don't have any experience with this because I haven't been stopped since 1992.

splattergun
March 29, 2013, 06:31 PM
In Utah when they run your license they'll know you're CCW permit holder anyway, so I always hand them my license and CCW permit. Cop asks, "are you armed?" "Yes sir." "Where is it?" "Right front pocket." (or wherever it is) "Leave it there." "Of course."

Always happens like this, no problems.
The last 2 times I got pulled over in UT I was asked if I had any weapons in the car. I'm not a CCW so they asked, I'm guessing, for their own safety. UT law extends the home to the vehicle, so it is legal to carry in the vehicle.

No ticket either time, one written warning, the other "just be a bit more careful".

1KPerDay
March 29, 2013, 06:37 PM
UT law extends the home to the vehicle, so it is legal to carry in the vehicle.

Yep, it does now.

Deltaboy
March 29, 2013, 06:49 PM
No I always notify.

Sauer Grapes
March 29, 2013, 07:06 PM
I got pulled over 3 times in maybe the last 5 years.
I've never said anything to an officer and don't plan on starting anytime soon.
It's none of their business.
If for some reason they would happen to asked, I would tell them.

Highgate
March 29, 2013, 07:46 PM
Hah! Here in the UK if you even say the word 'gun' a SWAT team will be on your case.

For example, back in 2004 a guy was carrying a wooden chair leg in a plastic bag ... it looked like a gun apparently, so the police shot him dead.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3965207.stm

Creature
March 29, 2013, 08:18 PM
I was pulled over by a local LEO here in Virginia. I didnt have to inform because, as I handed over my DL, I was informed that she knew I was permit holder and asked if I had the gun with me in the vehicle.

No problems.

@ Highgate: that is seriously messed up situation.

tickfarm
March 29, 2013, 08:36 PM
This incident occurred back in the mid-60's when I was an active duty officer. An officer on our dept. who was in the traffic unit stopped a speeder who was driving a convertible with the top down.

This party was also a reserve sheriffs deputy and did not inform the officer of this. When he reached into his glove box for his license the officer observed a .45 automatic laying in the glove box. Without thinking the officer drew his revolver and smacked the driver in the back of the head with it. It pays to notify.

BBQJOE
March 29, 2013, 08:36 PM
I think you guys are missing what I asked please allow me to restate:

Assuming no law requiring you to inform, Have you ever failed to inform and then have the officer find the gun.

(very short version) I happened to be going through IL once in an RV. Got stopped. Cop asked if I had any guns. I told him I had a .22. he wasn't happy, and asked to see it.
He then asked if I had any more guns. I told him nothing for him to worry about.

They searched the RV and came out with an SKS. It had no bolt, or magazine. They asked me then what the hell is this? I told them it wasn't a gun, that it was probably more of a club.
They didn't think it was near as funny as I did.
They gave me a ticket for a tail light out, and let me go.

jmorris
March 30, 2013, 10:25 AM
I think you guys are missing what I asked please allow me to restate:

Assuming no law requiring you to inform, Have you ever failed to inform and then have the officer find the gun.


Back before TX had a CC law, my dad and I were coming back from the farm one night and we were pulled over by two officers. We both exited the vehicle and went to the rear and I was told by the senior officer to get back in the truck and did so.

The Jr officer came up and started flashing his light around and noticed numerous pistols on the dash and long arms leaned up on the bench seat between where my father sat. As you might guess, I was instructed to get out and go to the rear of the truck next to my Dad.

As I walked back there the Sr. officer started with "boy I thought I told you to..." when the Jr. informed him of the reason we got out in the first place.

NavyLCDR
March 30, 2013, 10:39 AM
Yes. I was looking for a park in a neighboring town to go to an annual reunion and was speeding. Got stopped, wife, daughter and her friend were in the car with me. Everything goes as normal, no mention of the gun in a holster on my belt openly carried. Officer comes back from his car an asks me to step out of the vehicle, and proceeds to walk back to between his car and mine. I exit the vehicle, with the gun fully visible on my belt.

I walk back to where the officer is waiting. He says he doesn't want to lecture me in front of my family but I need to slow down and he is going to leave it at a warning. I thank him, I walk back to my car, he walks back to his, and that's that.

MedWheeler
March 30, 2013, 11:05 AM
After being involved in a traffic accident while delivering pizzas (back when I was 21, mere months before being hired on as a cop myself), the investigating officer asked me where my gun was. I had made no mention of having one, and there were no "clues" anywhere in the cab of my truck. I was not licensed to carry at the time (Florida's "shall-issue" policy was still a week away from taking effect) but did indeed have a .357 Magnum revolver in the glovebox. I told her that, and she asked me if I minded if she unloaded it. I did not, and she did. I suggested she put the rounds in the ashtray, which she did. Nothing more was said about it. Never figured out how she "knew" I even had one. Maybe cops knew pizza drivers might carry..

I imagine now that Florida's carry-licensing program is decades old, widely-utilized, and problem-free, cops are probably even less apprehensive than she was.

gym
March 30, 2013, 11:07 AM
I am with Larry on this one. If you don't speed or talk on the cell phone, and always wear your belt, you won't be pulled over.
Only time I got pulled over was speeding 2x in 50 years. Neither was a conversation, just a ticket. Last one was 12 years ago, Before that 19.
Both were in a hurry ad asked for only the drivers license.
I rarely drive late at night anymore. he grey hair helps now, but even when I drove porches' for 20 years I never got stopped. Also in FL you give the ticket to a "Ticket clinic" and for a hundred bucks, they go to court and you get no points, just court costs. If it's over 25mph you may have a problem.
But it's 70 where I am, so driving 100 you should get a ticket. No one asked me and I never told, in FL & NY.

22-rimfire
March 30, 2013, 11:28 AM
Before a trip out of state, I always check to see if the state is a MUST INFORM state if I am uncertain. I don't want to get tagged on a minor detail. I do not inform unless I am required to. But it sort of depends on the situation and what I judge to be appropriate.

jdh
March 30, 2013, 12:23 PM
gym,
I will respectfully disagree. In my many years of working shift work I have been stopped countless times for no other reason than being on the road in the wee hours. Of course there was always some excuse for the stop, "your license plate light is not bright enough", but they were all pretext stops to check for DWI or property crimes, "if you are on the road at this time of night you must be up to no good of drunk".

Trunk Monkey
March 30, 2013, 03:11 PM
I am with Larry on this one. If you don't speed or talk on the cell phone, and always wear your belt, you won't be pulled over.

While I agree in theory, I have to ask how this is in any way relevant to what I asked?

MedWheeler
March 30, 2013, 03:36 PM
Gym writes:

The grey hair helps now, but even when I drove porches..

There are a lot of grey-haired folks down here that "drive porches"... I love "driving" mine from time to time, when I get the house to myself.. :D

blazer610
March 30, 2013, 10:42 PM
MedWheeler,

LOL!!! I imagine that many didn't pick up on your reference.

Rollis R. Karvellis
March 30, 2013, 11:57 PM
One early morning I, was heading to the yard to pick up my semi to make a delivery. The local boy's in blue for the town of Barnsville, pulled me over for a burnt out license plate light.

Even though I, was not carrying I, informed the very young man as soon as he approached my vehicle. He said gee thanks mister for informing me, please step to the back of your vehicle. After a couple of question's about why I, was out at that time, he asked if I, was sure that I, didn't have any weapons. So I, finally asked him if he would like to search my pickup. He replied golly gee whiz that would be swell. A minute later they sent me one my way with a verbal to get the light fixed.

I, think I, made their night

Once I, was heading west on US30 through E. Canton Ohio. I was pulled over for accidentally letting my Jake's roar inside of the town limits. I, was not armed, and even though I, am usually pretty good about informing them as a courtesy so there are no surprises after my license is ran, I, simply forgot this time.

The officer was a little irate after it came back that I, was clean, but had a CHL. Even after I, explained about being unarmed he was not happy, but did let me go with just a warning.

E. Canton is a suburb of the now infamous, take two step's back, and shoot you ten time's in the face Psycho Canton Cop, from last year.

Needless to say I, was not surprised about that incident.

Mobuck
March 31, 2013, 10:22 PM
If it's not required, it's foolish to give that info. The cops are paid to enforce the laws of their state regardless of whether they like the regs or not. They should not expect more than the law requires or have an opinion about someone following the law.

Yoda
April 1, 2013, 12:22 AM
I advise my students to do so, just to avoid incidents like in this video. BTW: Florida law permits inadvertant, momentary displays, provided they are not done in a careless or threatening manner. IMO, this Citruis County Florida cop was WAY out of line. Here's the link:

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=bc941e3763153dcab459cab96c9770e4&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehighroad.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Fp%3D8676467&v=1&libid=1364786409880&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunssavelife.com%2F%3Fp%3D5053&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcitrus%2Bcounty%2Bflorida%2Bcop%2Binadvertent%2Bdisplay%26FORM%3DAWRE&title=Welcome%20to%20Citrus%20County%2C%20FL%3A%20We%E2%80%99ll%20shoot%20you%20in%20the%20back%20-%20THR&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunssavelife.com%2F%3Fp%3D5053&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13647864624913

(If the link doesn't work, search for: Citrus County we'll shoot you in the back)


- - - Yoda

JTHunter
April 1, 2013, 01:16 AM
BBQJoe - that will teach you to stay out of Illinois!

JTHunter
April 1, 2013, 01:24 AM
Rollis - I'm glad you remembered to mention this nutjob:E. Canton is a suburb of the now infamous, take two step's back, and shoot you ten time's in the face Psycho Canton Cop, from last year.

The point is that, given certain officer's attitudes, you may not be given a chance to inform, even if it IS the law!

HorseSoldier
April 1, 2013, 03:50 AM
I will respectfully disagree. In my many years of working shift work I have been stopped countless times for no other reason than being on the road in the wee hours. Of course there was always some excuse for the stop, "your license plate light is not bright enough", but they were all pretext stops to check for DWI or property crimes, "if you are on the road at this time of night you must be up to no good of drunk".


+1. From the LE side of things, when I was in field training I had one training officer who maintained that if you could not find (legitimate) probable cause to stop someone within between 1/4 and 1/2 mile of being behind them, you did not know the traffic code adequately. Which led to several weeks of playing "find me a reason to pull that guy over" (note again, legitimate reason, not bogus or manufactured).

While very tiresome for me (and the public) it did refine my knowledge of the traffic code immensely and, when it was all said and done, he was broadly right -- it is a very, very rare driver who doesn't violate something and give you PC for a stop if you start micro-analyzing their driving and their vehicle.

Pete D.
April 1, 2013, 07:07 AM
Happy to read through this thread.
If it's not required, it's foolish to give that info. The cops are paid to enforce the laws of their state regardless of whether they like the regs or not. They should not expect more than the law requires or have an opinion about someone following the law.
I agree with that. Unless required to do do, there is no reason to do so.
I have been stopped...properly so....once in the last thirty years. It was on I80 in NJ at about 11pm. I was very tired....sleepy in fact....The car was wandering on the highway. The cop may well have saved my life and my wife, who was in the car and asleep. She drove on. I got a warning.
There were weapons in the trunk. They stayed there and I did not inform the officer.
Pete

mgkdrgn
April 1, 2013, 10:51 AM
I had a Texas trooper ask me one time, "Just why to think you need to carry a gun?"
My reply "Why do you?" was not well received it would seem. I got the ticket.

I could tell the one about the Ft. Hood MP PFC stopping me on the home in base housing while in a Harker Heights Reserve uniform but it would take a novella's worth of space.
;)
Well .... we're waiting.

jdh
April 1, 2013, 03:01 PM
Readers digest condensed version:

At 3am after finally finishing my 3 DWI reports from evening watch I go in the east gate of Fort Hood. The MPs on post considered a vehicle on the road at that time to be probable cause to stop the car so he did. Young private fresh out of AIT on his first solo patrol, BTW. He gets on the PA and tells me to bring my ID, DL, and insurance to the rear of my vehicle. As soon as I step from my car I hear him hollering GUN GUN! Me being in a full civilian police uniform with a 1911 on my belt, I start looking for the threat and realize he is talking about me. He starts to draw his issued 1911. I told him I was an active duty SSG with the commanders permission to work off base as a reserve police officer. He continued to attempt to draw his 1911 from the issued full flap holster. So I said "Private stop for a minute and think. You have a 1911 secured in a flap holster. Your 1911 has an empty chamber and no magazine in the gun. In one of your ammo pouches is a mag with 3 rounds in it. Now I also have a 1911. It is in a holster designed for a rapid draw. I has a round chambered with the hammer cocked and is on safe. There is a mag inserted which is fully loaded with seven rounds. On my belt is a double mag pouch with two more fully loaded mags. SO Private just who the <removed> do you think is going to win this gunfight? Here is my ID, DL, and Insurance." I didn't know at the time he had keyed up his radio to call for back up and the whole speech went out over the MP channel. Need I say how much back up he immediately got or how much ribbing resulted for months following?

Anmut
April 1, 2013, 04:29 PM
I got to find a roof mount like that

Akita1
April 1, 2013, 06:15 PM
Only happened to me once; State Trooper here in FL early in the AM on my way to the hunting camp. Handed her my license and my CWL, she asked where it was, to which I replied "they are" in my glove box and in the rear seat, only the pistol in the glove box is loaded. After a quick glance at all the gear in my truck and the standard walk back to her car/a quick check on her laptop: a little slower in the dark so you can react to animals please & good luck with your hunt sir. Thank you ma'am, and might I say that's a mighty fine .45 on your hip. Thank you sir and a sweet smile. She was my good luck charm because it was my new Thompson .270's first foray into the woods and together we bagged a nice 265 lb. 7 pt (rather big for a Central FL deer).

CountryUgly
April 1, 2013, 07:51 PM
I did not inform (not required to by law here) LEO so happens to see it in the back of my car, loses his cool and snatches me out the window at gun point.....

420Stainless
April 1, 2013, 09:23 PM
I wouldn't volunteer the information unless either asked or unless I was about to be cuffed and searched. Was pulled over recently (just a warning for brake lights out and cursory license, insurance and tag call in) and the question never came up so I didn't reveal anything. I was legally carrying my ccw. Just kept my hands on top of the steering wheel where he could see them at all times and informed him that I would need to access the console compartment to retrieve my insurance card when he asked for it.

Long time ago back in my foolish youth I was pulled over for a sobriety check. That officer did ask me to get out and requested to search me and my vehicle (there were empty beer cans on my floor boards - I had it coming). I consented and informed him that I was carrying a pocket knife (the only potential weapon I was carrying at the time) in my left front pocket before he searched me so there would be no surprises. I also told him where my keys and wallet were located so there would be no surprises or questions. He emptied my pockets and called in my info. Awhile later he asked me where I lived. I told him two miles down the road and he said he'd follow me for awhile and would throw the book at me if I couldn't control the truck. He turned off a quarter mile down the road and graciously let me go when I really should have been heading to the slammer.

I'm convinced that as long as you make it easy for the officers to see your hands at all times and are respectful, they will give you respect in return - assuming that your ID is valid and your history is clean. Basically said all that to say that I wouldn't let an officer accidently find my ccw. As soon as he informs me that he has reason to search, I will reveal the location of my weapon. However, I don't see how an officer is going to accidently find out about your weapon for a routine traffic stop unless you're open carrying at the time.

Trunk Monkey
April 2, 2013, 08:28 AM
Let me preface this by saying that outside of my job, I haven’t had an interaction with the police in over 3 years so I’m not some thug who has run ins with the police all the time.

That said, I would never consent to a search of my vehicle. If my vehicle were searched I would ask for a lawyer and say absolutely nothing further.

A pat down I would have no discretion over so in that case I would immediately inform

blue32
April 2, 2013, 09:01 AM
"silicosys4, is it legal for a police officer to just reach in your car and grab something like that? Or are you consenting by telling him where it is in the vehicle?"

If I think you are armed and dangerous, yes, I can disarm you per Terry v. Ohio. Armed AND dangerous must apply together, not just one or the other. At that point I do not need consent or a search warrant. As one of the 15 exceptions to obtaining a search warrant, if I have probable cause to search a vehicle then probable cause is sufficient.

Garmangabis
April 2, 2013, 11:40 AM
As I mentioned in another post, I almost always carry a pair of P220 .45's, I got pulled over for a crooked headlight (fishing expedition) and when the policeman asked for my registration, I opened my glove box and he saw a left over scrap of leather from a Galco shoulder holster strap in there and pulled his gun on me and ordered me to freeze, so I did.

My two employees were in the back seat, and we were returning from a custom excavation project, and we all looked a little dirty after a 12 hour day of digging, so anyhow, the cop demanded to know if I had a gun, and I said "Inside my jacket, I have a permit." he then told me to STFU and ordered me to had me exit the car, and while my hands were behind my head, he found my right hand P220 inside the left side of my jacket, he called for backup, saying "Yes, he is armed, and with a hog leg at that!" .... And in no time four cops were there, they took my P220, set it on the hood of the police car, with me standing between the cars, they all turned their backs to me to ogle my SIG. Then, in a very calm voice, (hands still behind my head) I said, "Would you officers also like to take my other pistol?" Well, they collectively turned and said "Where is it?" I said "In the other side of my jacket." They dug out my other P220 and the original officer said "I don't know who <removed> you are, but you have good taste in guns." They then could not find the mag release for that pistol, so I said "It is on the other side, it is my left hand gun." This produced a few more funny looks from them, they checked my CWP, called back to HQ about me and finding nothing, they handed me back my pistols and left..... forgetting all about that crooked headlight.

My employees, a couple of thugs from the local labor force place had nearly crapped themselves, the cops never even ID checked them. "Wow dude, we thought we were all going to jail!!"

anothernewb
April 2, 2013, 02:02 PM
Not me personally, but the driver of the car I was in got pulled over. Both of us had MN concealed permits. Apparently the information of a permit holder must be registered with the DOT because the officer asked if he was carrying right away. Officer was nice about it, but had both of us step out of the car and keep our hands visible while did his thing.

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