Does More Than ONE Firearm make you a Possible Threat


PDA






WALKERs210
March 29, 2013, 09:45 PM
Was listening to radio while out today and news broadcaster was talking about the young man that did the shooting at Sandy Hook. They described that in search of his home more firearms and large amounts of ammunition. If the Media and others feel that more than 20 round of ammo and more than one or two firearms means your a Bad Person then I would only guess that most on THR would be looked at as a home grown terrorist. One year ago my wife asked me why I stocked ammo to which I replied because at the time I could buy it at a reasonable price, also I have several rifles, pistols, revolvers not to mention a fairly nice collection of Muzzle loaders. So How Many is too many?

If you enjoyed reading about "Does More Than ONE Firearm make you a Possible Threat" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
SharpsDressedMan
March 29, 2013, 09:48 PM
Oh, YES!!!! :evil::neener: :D

plodder
March 29, 2013, 09:55 PM
Does More Than ONE Firearm make you a Possible Threat
To those who aim to impose their tyranical utopia upon us, I pray that I am man enough to prove it true.

Agsalaska
March 29, 2013, 09:56 PM
Did they say he was a bad person because he had a lot of guns and ammo, or because he killed a bunch of little ones?

41wheelgun
March 29, 2013, 09:57 PM
Yea, I have noticed the same thing from the media reports. I wonder what the reporters would say if he had a reloading bench.

Kiln
March 29, 2013, 10:01 PM
Yea, I have noticed the same thing from the media reports. I wonder what the reporters would say if he had a reloading bench.
"He was manufacturing thousands of miniature improvised explosive devices at his home."

IE, bullets.

Black Knight
March 29, 2013, 10:02 PM
You asked "So how many is too many?". Well where I come from there aint no such thing as too many guns or ammo. There are however such things as too many badguys walking the streets commiting crimes, politicians who believe they are all powerful, and others who want to run your life instead of theirs.

Mick_W
March 29, 2013, 10:03 PM
Looks at sig... Well, I am screwed.

Grassman
March 29, 2013, 10:05 PM
And this should surprise any of you why? We know the media's agenda, it's not new. This is just the latest vehicle for their agenda.

Grassman
March 29, 2013, 10:08 PM
Looks at sig... Well, I am screwed.
I guess I'm screwed too, I have a few more than that. Not to mention the several thousand rounds of ammo I have. But yet I make it to work every day, somehow taxes always get paid, and lookey there, never been in trouble with the law. Won't make the headlines huh?

huntsman
March 29, 2013, 10:10 PM
Does More Than ONE Firearm make you a Possible Threat

yep and that one gun should be a Glock so the media's accuracy rating will go up ;)

HorseSoldier
March 29, 2013, 10:26 PM
Going by what's been reported from the Lanza household and strictly based on inventory as a measure of "badness," I can say that (having mellowed some with age and marriage) that I'm three times the bad person Lanza was, or so. This is down from my full-time .mil and single days, when I was probably more like ten or eleven times the bad person he was. :rolleyes:

Frankly, it doesn't sound like they found much of an arsenal for mass murder or doomsday prepping (which I thought the narrative claimed his mom was into).

MErl
March 29, 2013, 10:36 PM
new reports are making it pretty obvious that owning a gun makes you a bad person and actually using them makes you double plus bad.

1k rounds of ammo is an arsenal? really? Someone who goes to the range 5 times a year can go through that easily.


(or should that be double plus ungood, been a while :) )

texasgun
March 29, 2013, 10:45 PM
I have 2 rifles and 6 handguns. Last time I checked I only have two hands. So how in the world does more than 1 handgun / 1 rifle make me a bigger threat?

with the some argument you could say that anyone who owns more than one magazine is a bigger threat...

Texan Scott
March 29, 2013, 10:50 PM
There's a difference between ABILITY to inflict harm and PROBABILITY of inflicting harm, and they are distinctly different things.

If an entire police department went completely rogue, their ability to inflict harm would be huge. Most people don't worry about it though, because they consider it so highly improbable.

One nutcase in a cell presents a high probability of doing harm if released, but if kept locked up has no real ability to do so.

Leftist MSM seems to be willfully ignoring the distinction.

One decent law-abiding citizen with LOTS of guns is no great danger; one criminal nutter with a hammer is a real problem.

black_powder_Rob
March 29, 2013, 10:52 PM
Owning more than one gun only makes you dangerous if you are like Issac Hayes!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c2tAHnb06tU

Lol. It's a good clip hope ya like it.

c.latrans
March 29, 2013, 10:54 PM
GAWD.....I SERIOUSLY hope not..............

Walkalong
March 29, 2013, 11:08 PM
Just more old tired scare tactics from the media. Nothing new really, and expect more of it.

joepmo
March 29, 2013, 11:18 PM
Ruh-roh. Apparently I have crossed into gun nut territory as well since I have added about a dozen to my collection in the last year as well. Of course it has more to do with having better finances than anything.

five.five-six
March 29, 2013, 11:27 PM
IIRC, Timothy McVeigh didn't use any firearms.

76shuvlinoff
March 30, 2013, 12:08 AM
I have added firearms as my interests changed over the last 40 years but I have only sold 2. I guess I am imbalanced like that.

medalguy
March 30, 2013, 12:44 AM
One media midget referred to Lanza's stash as "a massive arsenal of weapons." Don't let them peek into your safe!!

Ignition Override
March 30, 2013, 12:59 AM
A friend of mine has never tried to injure anybody.
I've seen his ammo and it was inventoried at about 30,000 rds. of centerfire (.223-7.62x39-7.5 Swiss etc-8mm Mauser).

His twenty five near-mint milsurp rifles and two handguns (the P-64 Always kept in his pocket) never tried to hurt anybody.
How is that possible?:scrutiny: Maybe the guns never learned how to escape from his vault?

slumlord44
March 30, 2013, 01:01 AM
1,000 rounds of ammo is 2 bricks of .22 Long Rifle. Given that you can't find any on store shelves today, that is a small reserve. Most non gun people have no idea how many guns and how much ammo is normal for gun people to have in their poession at one time. I laugh whenever I see a news article about somone having an arsenal. After Newton, my wife asked me if I had one of those "assault" rifles. I said yes and she asked why. When I explained that it was to shoot the coyotes that she hates, she just said oh. She is a non gun person and does not have a clue. She does know enough to handly our house shotgun. Joe Biden would be proud of her.

WALKERs210
March 30, 2013, 01:49 AM
or jus how many doors would be required to be brplaced just becauused the wind is blowing

WALKERs210
March 30, 2013, 01:52 AM
Maybe Biden has a plan to just shoot througuht a door , might take out a liberla police officer, mayor coming over to visit, Would love Biden to tell me where he took training that you shoot thru a door.

Romeo 33 Delta
March 30, 2013, 01:53 AM
Better not come to my house then ... they will NOT be happy! Been a gun owner for 58 of my 68 years and have collected for most all of those 58 years!:eek:

BemidjiDweller
March 30, 2013, 02:42 AM
Why do they call it an arsenal? He didn't manufacture the firearms nor the ammunition. Guess it's just more of the media not knowing the definition of the words they make a living by.

12131
March 30, 2013, 03:23 AM
To those who aim to impose their tyranical utopia upon us, I pray that I am man enough to prove it true.
+1.
We are a threat...........to tyranny, as far as I'm concerned.

tarosean
March 30, 2013, 04:13 AM
Better not come to my house then ... they will NOT be happy! Been a gun owner for 58 of my 68 years and have collected for most all of those 58 years!

This is what I was thinking??? I haven't read the latest reports, Last I recall it was 5 guns and some ammo, and that equaled an arsenal?

I think I have more than that in my sock drawer. maybe an entire armory? Cache? heck I dont know..

kwguy
March 30, 2013, 08:16 AM
These fools are trying to frame and define what 'normal' is. Then go after people who don't fit their mold. It's like the Supertramp 'Logical Song', but the liberals are the ones who are trying to make everybody conform and fit into a mold like 'good little citizens'. And if you don't fit that mold, you get turned into Soylent Green.

;) See, even old songs and movies predicted this kind of human behavior. It's nothing new, we just have to keep fighting it and remain vigilant.

OilyPablo
March 30, 2013, 08:44 AM
I actually know THE handguns I own. In the sense I know how to strip them down, etc. But ask me HOW MANY I own and I actually would need to count. That is really scary. :D I just stood up, turned around opened the safe, counted, adding the Mak I need to clean and my upstairs gun, I have 23 handguns. 9 rifles and 3 shotguns. No I'm not unlocking the munition locker and counting my ammo. Tens of thousands of rounds.

You will have to take my word on the rest of this as well. I am easy going, stable, but busy. I have a full time job and run two businesses. I support my local police, law abiding and generally conforming. I am NOT a prepper, yet we have the basics in case of a winter storm outage or an earthquake (the .gov tells us to do these things!). I pay large amounts of money in taxes. My family is stable. We attend church but we are not religious or extreme.

How am I exactly a threat Mr. Obama and company?

Perhaps only because we don't have the same world view?

I ask, is this what America has become?

stonecutter2
March 30, 2013, 08:53 AM
new reports are making it pretty obvious that owning a gun makes you a bad person and actually using them makes you double plus bad.

1k rounds of ammo is an arsenal? really? Someone who goes to the range 5 times a year can go through that easily.


(or should that be double plus ungood, been a while :) )
Double plus ungood ;)

Double plus bad? Reported for thoughtcrime!

stonecutter2
March 30, 2013, 09:17 AM
Was listening to radio while out today and news broadcaster was talking about the young man that did the shooting at Sandy Hook. They described that in search of his home more firearms and large amounts of ammunition. If the Media and others feel that more than 20 round of ammo and more than one or two firearms means your a Bad Person then I would only guess that most on THR would be looked at as a home grown terrorist. One year ago my wife asked me why I stocked ammo to which I replied because at the time I could buy it at a reasonable price, also I have several rifles, pistols, revolvers not to mention a fairly nice collection of Muzzle loaders. So How Many is too many?
Yeah, there's this idea being pushed by the media, and even law enforcement, that owning several guns and rounds of ammo somehow makes one evil, or ready to commit murder or massacres, it's totally ridiculous.

There is no "too many." The only way I could see telling someone they have "too many" guns is when they have to declare bankruptcy by buying guns instead of paying bills or something.

The media keeps presenting people who buy multiple guns and lots of ammo as freaks of nature, hellbent on destruction as evidenced by what they have at their homes. When in reality, it can be the same inventory many have (and even small by comparison!) but THAT doesn't make for sensational reporting.

The recent goofball at the University of Florida who pulled a fire alarm to begin his murder spree, but then retreated into his room and offed himself (thank God), had 1,000 rounds of ammo or so. The cop (UCF Chief Richard Beary) giving a press conference said "I don't think ... you purchase 1,000 rounds of ammunition" without a plan, Beary said. "I don't think you do that as a joke." I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. As if anyone who buys a quantity of ammo is preparing for mass murder. Sickening and ignorant.

Quite frankly, I'm getting utterly exhausted as being painted in the media as a potential mass murderer or social freak for owning firearms and ammo. It's completely irresponsible.

I ordered 500 rounds for my Nagant revolver, what the hell does it matter? Ammo is hard to find for the Nagant, and I want to stock up for spring/summer/fall plinking so I'm not constantly scrounging when i want to hit the range. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

bracer
March 30, 2013, 09:27 AM
For one who is living in an area where there is small game, varmints, preditors, large game, upland bird, and waterfoul can one get by with ten firearms? I think not. Should someone or animal put me or my family in harms way the sporting firearms use would change.

Carl N. Brown
March 30, 2013, 10:27 AM
My public library had an extensive bound magazine archive and I took the Readers Guide to Periodical Literature, subject: Firearms Legislation, and extensively researched gun control in the 1960s. The bogus arguments and outright lies, the smears of the character and nature of the typical gun, the misrepresentation of causes of crime and sources of criminal guns spraed today are the same as then. Nothing new has been offered, just the same old big city Sullivan Act dogma and disparagement of "gunnuts" and the "gunlobby" recycled from the 1960s.

SharpsDressedMan
March 30, 2013, 10:31 AM
I am not shooting competitively at this time, but for a short while I tried to duplicate one local combat shooter's regimen, which was a thousand rounds a week. I loaded 2500 rounds of .45 and practiced for 2 1/2 weeks before a shoot, and came in second to him. Not having a lot of money (back then, if you loaded your own, that was something like $60-$75/1000 for .45 reloading components per week), I only did it to see how good I might be if I practiced like he did. That is, conservatively, 50 thousand rounds a year to shoot competitively at the national level. For people not familiar with guns and the shooting sports, they have no idea what a large amount of ammunition is, or that it doesn't really matter, and is no indicator of evil.

kwguy
March 30, 2013, 10:34 AM
Exactly, ignorance and fear is their biggest ally.

fehhkk
March 30, 2013, 10:37 AM
The media refuses to believe that guns can be a hobby. So anyone stockpiling ammo, must be up to no good. They don't know the gun culture, basically.

junyo
March 30, 2013, 10:45 AM
Just remember, when reported in the media, if it's more than a single gun and an 'ammunition clip' worth of ammo, it's an 'arsenal'.

I pointed out to a friend of my wife's, who was screeching about some dude they caught near her in NYC with an 'arsenal' of 3 guns and 500 rounds of ammo, that that was a slow day at the range in most of America, that if it was .22 it could be a single box of ammo, and that I knew shotgunners that bought ammo by the pallet and were harmless to anything other than flying orange disks.

A) She's active duty military, so you'd think she knew better, without me saying anything.
B) Still screeched for more gun control.

At a certain point it's beyond trying to reason with people.

4season
March 30, 2013, 10:59 AM
These fools are trying to frame and define what 'normal' is. Then go after people who don't fit their mold. It's like the Supertramp 'Logical Song', but the liberals are the ones who are trying to make everybody conform and fit into a mold like 'good little citizens'. And if you don't fit that mold, you get turned into Soylent Green.

This is exactly what is going on. They look at a few of their liberal friends and one may have a gun and enough ammo for it so they can say they hunt, but for those of us that actually hunt, we know that because of all the regulations we can't own one gun. You have to have a shotgun for bird, a rim-fire for small game and a rifle for small game. Heck if you are trying to use a shotgun for everything you need more than 20 shells because you cant shoot turkey and deer with the same thing. Then if you start talking about self defense then the liberal have to move the argument from real world to their tiny view so that they can claim that government will protect us all and therefore you don't need to protect yourself. (Come to think about it isn't that what hunting is about? Providing for ourselves rather than relying on government.) The key to defeating liberals is to move the argument back to reality. Defeat the premise of their argument, don't argue in their terms. Unfortunately many people have these ideas ingrained in them at a young age and are not capable of thinking logically. In school kids are taught to fear guns, and that guns are evil. When these kids grow up we can't convince them logically that a gun it a tool, just like a screwdriver or hammer, that can be used to build or tear down. All they can think is evil gun.

Carl N. Brown
March 30, 2013, 11:00 AM
The cop (UCF Chief Richard Beary) giving a press conference said "I don't think ... you purchase 1,000 rounds of ammunition" without a plan, Beary said. "I don't think you do that as a joke."

No joke. I shoot modern military, vintage military at the local club, and have learned (years before the current panic) that supply of, say, new factory .30 carbine ammo, is seasonal, and this years production may be based on last years sales so there will be periodic shortages. So you buy and stockpile when the ammo is available at reasonable prices. Now, the match season is 7 months, matches in each discipline, modern pistol and rifle and vintage pistol and rifle, 3 targets, ten rounds each, for score. That's 30 x 4 x 7 = 840 rounds just for score, not counting practice and sight checks. Then a trip to the mountains to meet up with the cousins for hiking, ATVing, BBQ, listening to the NASCAR race over a battery-powered radio, and target practice, usually lots of .22 LR (easy to go through a brick of 500 rounds). What a lot of us do with a bulk buy of ammo is probably not in Chief Beary's radar.

22-rimfire
March 30, 2013, 11:16 AM
I wonder what the reporters would say if he had a reloading bench.

Clandestine ammunition manufacturer.

kwguy
March 30, 2013, 11:40 AM
but for those of us that actually hunt, we know that because of all the regulations we can't own one gun. You have to have a shotgun for bird, a rim-fire for small game and a rifle for small game...

Wow, it just hit me like a ton of bricks! That's the reason for at least two AR uppers, because of hunting regs. But, these clowns insist the AR is no good for hunting.

Skylerbone
March 30, 2013, 11:43 AM
I purchased and took possession of 2,900 rounds this week alone in a single caliber, one of two I own that I can't reload for. I wouldn't care to inventory ammo boxes for the other dozen or so calibers I do load for, suffice it to say I qualify as an "arsenal". Listing everything I own in a sig. line would violate THR rules on length.

No question some entity has us all on a watch list for exercising our 1A and 2A Rights, just the sort of entity those Rights were written in opposition to. It's disheartening to see any percentage of our fellow Citizens supporting a stance in direct opposition to our Constitution. I cannot fathom that any large number support the hidden agenda of populace control knowingly, which leaves ignorance to describe the lion's share. That should give us hope that they may be enlightened if we do our part.

Ryanxia
March 30, 2013, 11:48 AM
To those who aim to impose their tyranical utopia upon us, I pray that I am man enough to prove it true.
+1.

kwguy
March 30, 2013, 11:48 AM
The whole 'arsenal' thing just goes right along with playing on people's ignorance by the anti's. The latest headlines about the CT shooter firing 154 rounds in 5 minutes is just such an example. They play that number like it's huge or something, but a bolt action operator can sustain that rate of fire, with aimed shots (about 1 every two seconds). Obviously your average bolt gun doesn't have a 30 round mag, but one or two do. They make it sound like a machine gun, and make it sound scary. Emotional effect. Our only counter is education.

OptimusPrime
March 30, 2013, 11:50 AM
IIRC, Timothy McVeigh didn't use any firearms.
He didn't use it but yes he did, he had one in his car. He was pulled over because he had no plates on his car and the trooper saw the pistol in the vehicle. He did not have a valid carry license in that state. That reason and that reason alone is why he was arrested, and therefore already in the jail cell when the pictures of John Doe #1 went on the screens.
I bring it up because it is an EXCELLENT example of enforcing the laws that we already have rather than creating new ones.

jamesbeat
March 30, 2013, 11:51 AM
I think they're just trying to paint a picture of an 'unhealthy interest in firearms'.
A normal person can have one gun, but if you have multiple guns, you're clearly obsessed with them, and thus are a massacre waiting to happen.
They think guns = violence, so if you own a lot of guns you must be a violent person.
No 'sane' person would 'need' more than one gun and so forth.

gym
March 30, 2013, 12:15 PM
Well the president of North Korea, said he is getting ready to kill all of us, and launch missiles into the U.S..
I am hoping he sees us as a threat, and those Mid eastern countries like Iran who keep threatening to launch missiles into our country. The Koreans showed a target map of the US. including Texas.

22-rimfire
March 30, 2013, 01:11 PM
The whole 'arsenal' thing just goes right along with playing on people's ignorance by the anti's. The latest headlines about the CT shooter firing 154 rounds in 5 minutes is just such an example. They play that number like it's huge or something, but a bolt action operator can sustain that rate of fire, with aimed shots (about 1 every two seconds). Obviously your average bolt gun doesn't have a 30 round mag, but one or two do. They make it sound like a machine gun, and make it sound scary. Emotional effect. Our only counter is education.
It is all about ignorance when it comes to the arsenal terminology for the most part. There really are people that have an arsenal, but owning 10 rifles, shotguns, and handguns is not an arsenal unless they are perhaps all illegal full automaic firearms and pallets of ammunition already loaded in magazines and belts.

One of these days, North Korea is going carry out their threats. They cry wolf a lot, which is also a strategy. South Korea needs to be prepared for an all out ground assault along with sufficient airborne resources to hit all of N. Korea. A war would be messy and costly, but aren't they all.

JohnM
March 30, 2013, 01:23 PM
I missed something here.
What does the situation on the Korean Peninsula have to do with the media not having any idea what numbers of guns and ammunition mean?

barnbwt
March 30, 2013, 01:27 PM
Since no one needs a gun in the eyes of well-to-do urban bubble-adults, a single firearm makes you a deadly threat. Subsequent purchases only reinforce their negative opinion of you. One guy with a gun could do bad; one guy with two guns is more likely to use one of them to do bad :rolleyes:

Did they say he was a bad person because he had a lot of guns and ammo, or because he killed a bunch of little ones?

I've noticed the opinion pages (otherwise known as news stories) seem to have trouble keeping those two concepts separate. Honest to God, these guys think we're all murders. That we've consipired to murder all their children by purchasing (or building :eek::what:) lumps of metal. We need to understand we are seen as witches with powerful mystical abilities in the eyes of these ignorant people.

Anyone else notice how every single gun related story has the words "20 children and six adults" at least once somewhere in the article, even if it's about ammo shortages or background checks? I also notice how Lanza's gunsafe is mentioned numerous times, as if the fact he was locking up his guns responsibly (even though his ma should have known his unfettered access to them was incredibly unwise, or even illegal given his mental history) was somehow indicative of ill-intent or paranoia.

They also never forget to mention they found his "NRA member card" as if that has anything to do with anything he did, whatsoever. Where's his dry-cleaning card, and while we're at it, his Sam's Club card? I have to wonder if that particular detail is completely fabricated given the steady parade of gross inaccuracies surrounding every facet of this case. Hell, he had his brother's ID card on him when the story broke, and they said he was the killer for hours!

12ga in the glove compartment with 2 mags full of 70? (you sure that wasn't a 223 in the trunk with 2 mags?;)) Fired 150 rounds from 3 30 round AR mags? (you sure the remainder didn't come from the mythical "second shooter" you idiots first reported as in custody?) Some of these have since been corrected after we call the reporters and police out on their baloney, but these inexcusable errors cast justifiable suspicion on everything they claim to know at this point. Their incompetence in relaying fact is the sole reason all the stupid conspiracies have found any traction whatsoever.

The whole 'arsenal' thing just goes right along with playing on people's ignorance by the anti's
Just be happy they aren't saying "armory" this time; arsenal is close(r) to correct in describing a weapons cache or depot.

That reason and that reason alone is why he (McVeigh) was arrested, and therefore already in the jail cell when the pictures of John Doe #1 went on the screens.

Semi-related; whatever happened to the hairy John Doe #2 that was always shown with the same frequency at the time? I was little then, but I remember some dark-haired sketch dude being a big deal, who then vanished once they had McVeigh. It's eerily reminiscent of the camo-fatigues guy supposedly in a squad car offscreen at Sandy Hook :scrutiny:

TCB

22-rimfire
March 30, 2013, 01:29 PM
JohnM: The previous poster said something about N Korea and I made a comment if it matters and yes it is off topic. I didn't dig into the reasons for the comment too deeply.

I think they're just trying to paint a picture of an 'unhealthy interest in firearms'. A normal person can have one gun, but if you have multiple guns, you're clearly obsessed with them, and thus are a massacre waiting to happen. They think guns = violence, so if you own a lot of guns you must be a violent person.
No 'sane' person would 'need' more than one gun and so forth.

This is probably true if you take a liberal perspective on gun ownership in general. Loose cannons....

This goes to the psychological testing or evaluation requirement if such are ever put into law. Crazy people are the only people who might "need" more than one gun. Hence, they are a threat to society and need to be identified.

jamesbeat
March 30, 2013, 01:37 PM
Well the president of North Korea, said he is getting ready to kill all of us, and launch missiles into the U.S..
I am hoping he sees us as a threat, and those Mid eastern countries like Iran who keep threatening to launch missiles into our country. The Koreans showed a target map of the US. including Texas.
OT, but I wouldn't worry too much about that, their missiles are too puny to reach us.
That map was in-country propaganda published in the party newspaper, and apparently they got it wrong anyway, something to do with the trajectory of missiles.
The people we need to worry about are our allies in South Korea.
Anyway, sorry to stray off topic, just don't want people panicking unduly! :)

USAF_Vet
March 30, 2013, 02:01 PM
Semi-related; whatever happened to the hairy John Doe #2 that was always shown with the same frequency at the time? I was little then, but I remember some dark-haired sketch dude being a big deal, who then vanished once they had McVeigh. It's eerily reminiscent of the camo-fatigues guy supposedly in a squad car offscreen at Sandy Hook

The OK City bombing John Doe #2 was Terry Nichols.

The media is in such a rush to get the story to the public that they are often wrong. The first report I read about Sandy Hook said 'no injuries reported'.

The media is full of elitist urbanites who have no use for a gun, stories are written by them, reported by them, etc. It would be rather similar to me writing a story and reporting on a case of petrochemical manufacturing and waste disposal. I'm not an expert, I know absolutely nothing about it. So you'll have to forgive my ignorance and misused terminology. I don't want to defend the leftist state media machine, or the people who watch it and believe it all as absolute truth, but in this up to the second reporting culture we live in, mistakes are bound to be made. And because these are elitists we are dealing with, they are too proud to admit their mistakes. The Ministry of Truth will see to it that all mistakes have been 'fixed' eventually.

barnbwt
March 30, 2013, 02:08 PM
It would be rather similar to me writing a story and reporting on a case of petrochemical manufacturing and waste disposal. I'm not an expert, I know absolutely nothing about it. So you'll have to forgive my ignorance and misused terminology.
That would make you an enivornmental reporter;):D

I called them "ignorant people" in my post, but I think I like "primitive screw-heads" better :D. Your sig reminded me of the phrase. Just like the medieval castle-folk in Army of Darkness, all these guys know is that guns are loud, scary, and powerful--and that they'd have no recourse against one (without one themselves, but that hasn't occurred to them).

TCB

OT, but I wouldn't worry too much about that, their missiles are too puny to reach us.

"Don't worry, those stupid North Koreans are years away from a nuclear bomb" Talk about your famous last words :rolleyes:

mrvco
March 30, 2013, 02:12 PM
Based on my extensive, long-term testing... six handguns are no more capable of breaking out of a safe and wreaking havoc on the countryside than a single handgun.

Even when placed on a table, free from the imprisonment of a safe, it takes a significant amount of purposeful manipulation by a human to get them to do anything besides just lay there.

Maybe it is just how I raised them, but my handguns are incredibly obedient.

barnbwt
March 30, 2013, 02:20 PM
"If they exhibit aggressive behavior; that's usually the owner's fault" :D

TCB

gym
March 30, 2013, 03:12 PM
I think most gun owners own more than 1 gun. If not then they are thinking about getting another one. It's not like many folks buy a gun, then sell it, unless they switch to a different model and can only afford or are allowed to own 1 gun for carry. "like in NYC"
I don't know anyone who only owns 1 gun. I sat for a few minutes and thought it over, and can't come up with 1 person who owns only one. I know folks who own no guns, but not just 1.
Most guys I know own more than I do, "I have cut back after 60", but there are plenty of guys in there 70's who still collect, and have dozens.
It's the quiet ones who have the most. It takes a while for them to open up about them.

WALKERs210
March 30, 2013, 04:03 PM
Fired 150 rounds from 3 30 round AR mags?
This is something I missed somehow, one thing that I remember from some of the earlier reporting was the man had used two hand guns and the Bushmaster was in the truck of his car. So if that was the case then should Feinssstinne not be looking to ban a hand gun that was able to drop a magazine or maybe a clip (sarcasm Intended ) then replace it in less than 3-5 seconds. Where would one looking for the actual truth look, it seems that none in the news media have the capabilities or desire to report exactly what happened in regards to anything.

barnbwt
March 30, 2013, 04:43 PM
less than 3-5 seconds.
Man, I can't stand the rate/power of fire thing. How little is enough? One dead kid a second, every hour, year? Limiting power to vest-stoppable rounds, internal organ damage, or just bruising? So many of the arguments from that side imply the presence of a grey-area or sliding scale that "demands complicated solutions", when in fact the answers are clear; the tools have nothing to do with the intentions of the attacker, and can therefore not be a solution in stopping them.

There is no acceptable minimum for bullet capacity used for murder, nor rate of fire, nor power. Both we and they know this, so to compromise with them on this justifies the anti's position and cements their gains. Shame on NY Republicans for making the deal with the devil that they did, instead of either stopping them or forcing them to pass completely unhinged laws that would have published all gunowner's addresses. As bad as that would have been, it would have resulted in the dismantling of that database under federal court order within the year under an extremely vehement Equal Protection ruling.

TCB

evan price
March 30, 2013, 04:46 PM
ONE makes you a threat to them.

Ignition Override
March 30, 2013, 06:33 PM
To sort of paraphrase even price:
anything they can't control is a threat.

In Michael Moore's way of thinking, "What would Fidel Castro do in our situation?":confused:

Outlaw Man
March 30, 2013, 07:29 PM
J M Davis had some 20,000 firearms. He must have been worse than Hitler!

Big_John1961
March 30, 2013, 11:19 PM
According to my ex-wife it does.

Domina
April 1, 2013, 10:06 AM
The primary goal for most national media is to instill fear of guns and gun owners wherever possible. That is why they continue to ignore facts about firearms and refer to any collection of things related to firearms, including users manuals, as "arsenals". The only way to change this is to effectively counter educate the people that there is nothing more unreasonable about collections of arms and ammunition than Jay Leno's collection of cars if kept and used responsibly

mgkdrgn
April 1, 2013, 10:43 AM
the fact that you exist makes you a possible threat ... even if you are already dead (and transmitting some dissease)

JustinJ
April 1, 2013, 10:55 AM
They described that in search of his home more firearms and large amounts of ammunition. If the Media and others feel that more than 20 round of ammo and more than one or two firearms means your a Bad Person

Reporting a fact that is germane to a news story means that owing multiple guns makes us bad people? Wow, people love to play the victim.

Queen_of_Thunder
April 1, 2013, 11:06 AM
Wonder what the will think if they knew I just bought 1,000 rounds of 9mm. Yep. Got my one box of ammo this morning from Academy. Being first in line means first choice and today was my lucky day. They also had bulk 45acp. Sure a couple of boxes but better than nothing.

22-rimfire
April 1, 2013, 11:20 AM
ObamaCare changes everything.... with the stroke of a pen things that were just things have become unhealthy and subject to the CDC and health insurance because it supposively increases the risk.

And yet, states like CO have passed legislation to control people who own guns but have given the okay for marijuana use in small quantities. Using this comparison, it is okay to have a 10-round magazine because that is for recreational use. It seems that from a government perspective, it is okay to kill people with automobiles and trucks, but not a firearm.

OldTex
April 1, 2013, 11:45 AM
"The media refuses to believe that guns can be a hobby. So anyone stockpiling ammo, must be up to no good. They don't know the gun culture, basically."

This is true. The uninformed media is a threat usually because they also subscribe to the anti-gun agenda. They either don't know what they're talking about, or they do know and count on the sheeple audience to believe their lies.

The disappearance of honest, unbiased journalism in this country is maybe the biggest threat to all of our freedoms.

Just as big a threat to our freedoms IMO are the millions of city folks who have never been around guns and don't understand the culture because they don't get any info about guns except from the biased media. They form their opinions based on what they hear and vote accordingly. It's the same threat we face in all political issues - Low Information voters. It seems they also lack the ability to know when they are being manipulated, or at least to know when they ought to look around for some more info.

I can't imagine how I would be perceived in the press if they piled all my guns, ammo, and assorted reloading equipment, etc on those big tables they always use to show what a terrorist they just arrested. In that sense, we have to put some blame on the various law enforcement agencies who always pull this stunt for the press to make themselves look good (even if they know the person was no real threat). That's being just as dishonest as a lying newsman or politician.

holdencm9
April 1, 2013, 12:10 PM
They also don't understand how expensive of a hobby it can be. I think for the thwarted shooter at the college in Florida, I saw a news report that said (something along the lines of)

"he had an arsenal with over $700 worth of firearms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition."

Ha!

Torian
April 1, 2013, 12:12 PM
Looks at sig... Well, I am screwed.
Pretty much!

Skylerbone
April 1, 2013, 12:46 PM
Maybe someone could define "Gun Culture" for all of us. I own a car, Mark Martin owns a car (or 3). So far as I know, we don't share a secret handshake or much else so far as I know and a survey of those who know me wouldn't likely find me labeled as part of the "Car Culture". Owning common items does not mean all owners are cast alike. Different attitudes, abilities, capabilities and uses. Should be simple for a media that can separate criminal drug users into medicinal, casual, recreational, edible, addict and all other sub-classification with the exception of illegal...

mastiffhound
April 2, 2013, 05:47 AM
:evil: No, it doesn't make you a threat. It makes you and a friend a threat. :neener: This is crazy, more than one gun is owned by most firearm owners. Does having more the one child make you a threat? By God, you could be breeding an army! To quote the great Forrest Gump"stupid is as stupid does"!

If you enjoyed reading about "Does More Than ONE Firearm make you a Possible Threat" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!