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kyhunter
March 30, 2013, 02:36 AM
Need advice on a cheap optic. Dont bash me please for not spending a lot on a scope. This is a truck gun and varmint gun that will be used and abused and dont feel like beating up a nikon or a leupold.

Id like to find something variable zoom preferably a 3-12 or 4-16 but a fixed 10x would work. Mil-Dots are a plus. Doesnt have to be illuminated. Will be used on a .22 mag. Prefer to spend less than 100 dollars.

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Dryft
March 30, 2013, 06:41 AM
Check Amazon. Seriously.

It's going to be in your price range and you'll have a decent selection.

Or Optics Planet.

Good luck!

ObsidianOne
March 30, 2013, 07:09 AM
I believe Nikon makes a rimfire scope for at or under $100 or maybe check out a Sporting Goods store for some of the off brands.

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NeuseRvrRat
March 30, 2013, 07:14 AM
http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=748362

these Simmons 22 Mag scopes aren't terrible for $42

tarosean
March 30, 2013, 07:31 AM
This is a truck gun and varmint gun that will be used and abused and dont feel like beating up a nikon or a leupold.

Cheap and bashed around generally doesnt equal longevity.

Lloyd Smale
March 30, 2013, 08:23 AM
naschez has nitrexs being closed out for a bit under a 150 bucks they also have reconditioned nikon buckmasters for about the same. Dont know what you consider cheap but keep in mind like tarosean said a truck gun takes a pretty good beating and might not be the best place for a 40 dollar scope.

NeuseRvrRat
March 30, 2013, 08:25 AM
sometimes you're better off to just let folks learn things on their own

Hummer70
March 30, 2013, 08:42 AM
The best cheap glass I have found is NC Star handgun scopes. I have about six of them and I utilize them in lieu of Scout scopes thus I call them the poor man's Scout Scope.

Handguns by their nature give a much more violent recoil impulse to the scope and for this reason the handgun scopes must be built more rugged than the conventional rifle scopes.

With their being a long eye relief you have to mount them so the rear eyepiece is in front of the receiver so they have to be barrel mounted. If you have never looked at a Scout Scope set up you need to try one to see how fast they point and shoot.

Jeff Cooper is the father of the concept and he is at the big range in the sky but his thoughts etc can still be read:

http://www.dvc.org.uk/jeff/

I highly recommend all read the above.

The NC Star handgun scopes come in 2X and 2-7X and there is a version with a lit reticle. The 2X can be had for like 40.00 and the variable is like 52.00. I have also found them on ebay.

I can't speak for their rifle scopes but neither me nor my friends who have bought the pistol scopes have had any problems.

The 2X at 300 yards are good on targets down to 5" diameter. I have 5" steel discs on my range at 300 yards and I can hit them. Smaller than that the target is hidden behind the cross hairs. Thus for smaller targets beyond 300 yards I would suggest the variable power style.

They are duplex reticle so if you zero for point of aim point of impact POA/POI at 300 yards the 6:00 reticle post can be used as a aim point between 500 and 600 yards.

Google NC Star Scope sales.

Below is a 2X scope on several rifles on the 600 yard range.

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/Hummer70/DSC00054.jpg
This is on a shorty AR with a superiorbarrels.com com barrel and Daniel Defense 14" handguard. Barrel is 16"

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/Hummer70/DSC00063.jpg
This one is a Swiss 1911 rifle rebarreled with medium heavy barrel still in 7.5 Swiss caliber.

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/Hummer70/DSC00079.jpg

This one mounted on 700 Remington 7/08.

The above two rifles are barrel mounted using a Weaver 92A handgun base (for Thompson Contender Super 14). The scope mounts are Weaver see thru bases. I get the mounts from Wally World for about ten bucks and the 92A bases for about 8.00 at various places so you can literally mount the scopes for about 20.00.

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/Hummer70/DSC00056.jpg

This is shooters view of the first picture above and makes for a very fast pointing short rifle.

The camera did not focus correctly on this shot but the rifle is aimed at a target 600 yards away using the 6:00 o'clock post as a aim point. The image looks fuzzy because the camera focused on the close object.

The below is a NC star on a Ruger MkIII with a 10 shot group shot at 100 yards with Winchester Standard Velocity Ammo. If you look closely you will see the letters POA in red right above the bull. That is where I aimed to have the shots impact 10 ring at 100 yards using a 50 yard zero as 22 will drop about 6 1/2" from 50 to 100 yards.

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt257/Hummer70/MKIII100.jpg

25 yard pistol target shot at 100 yards.

Walkalong
March 30, 2013, 09:04 AM
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/168462/simmons-whitetail-classic-rifle-scope-65-20x-50mm-adjustable-objective-mil-dot-reticle-matte

They used to sell these at about $250 and put them on sale for $120 all the time. I bought the non mil dot version and like it a lot. Very good glass for $125 in my opinion. Compares favorably next to my "better" scopes, even at 300 yards.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=611994&highlight=simmons

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=548040&highlight=simmons

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=547531&highlight=simmons

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=546698&highlight=simmons

CB900F
March 30, 2013, 12:50 PM
Kyhunter;

With cheap glass you take the luck of the draw. Sometimes you get a helluva deal & sometimes you pay "money fer nuthin". With that said, I've got a Simmons Whitetail Classic 4-12X I put on a truck .22 about 2000 or 2001, it's still in good shape. I took an expensive Burris off the gun and gave it away because it was that bad. Replaced it with the Simmons & got twice the scope for half the money. I've also purchased a Tasco Varmint mil-dot, for around $65.00 I think, and found it to be absolute trash. Oh, and the guy I gave the Burris to reported back to me, years later, that it's since broke.

900F

bejay
March 30, 2013, 01:31 PM
might try a leapers/center point or tasco for a cheap mil-dot you dont have to many options.

OptimusPrime
March 30, 2013, 02:06 PM
All the advice above is spot-on, but it sounds like you're looking for as little to spend as possible. I'll get killed for this by the real shooters on this forum, but on my .22 I've got a Tasco 3-9x variable that I bought for I think like $35 about 3 years ago. I'm cheap as heck and thought I would just try the least-expensive option first and upgrade when I inevitably find it lacking. I still have it and it does me perfect for varmints. I rolled the dice and came up fine.

kyhunter
March 30, 2013, 07:34 PM
Thanks everyone. Especially to walkalong. I guess midway has some more of my money now. Thanks Larry

kyhunter
April 1, 2013, 08:49 PM
Just like to say thanks again everybody I picked up a bushnell banner 4-16 with A/O for about 100 dollars. Hopefully it will do the job. Havent found too many reviews for them.

greyling22
April 1, 2013, 08:58 PM
I was scrolling down to the bottom to see if anybody recommended the banner. It's probably the best non-sale scope in your price range. Whitetail classic, nitrex, mueller, and vortex crossfire would have been my next step up recommendations after the banner.

BemidjiDweller
April 1, 2013, 09:03 PM
I believe Nikon makes a rimfire scope for at or under $100 or maybe check out a Sporting Goods store for some of the off brands.

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More or less the same scope, but a few bucks cheaper:
http://www.rrarms.com/simmons-22-mag-series-4x32mm-silver.html

kyhunter
April 1, 2013, 09:16 PM
How are they greyling if you have any experience there. Ive got the scope and pick up the rifle after I get off tonight. The scope itself seems relly nice for a 100$ scope.

CB900F
April 1, 2013, 09:49 PM
KYhunter;

It's a rare day in glass that you don't get what you pay for. Or, to put it another way, stellar bargains are damn few & far between.

I've got a Nikon 4X rimfire. I don't have, nor have I ever had, a $37.00 Simmons. There are a number of quick & effective ways to check glass & see if it measures up to what you want. I won't go into that somewhat lengthy essay here & now. But, do the search here, the information is on site. Nonetheless, after using a scope for a day, the better glass lets you feel better. No, or at least less, eyestrain, no nagging little headache, no wanting to immediately put on the dark glasses to rest your eyes from the light. But, it's pretty uncommon to be able to test for a full day of shooting, I realize that. Therefore, within reason, remember that you get what you pay for.

900F

kyhunter
April 1, 2013, 10:06 PM
Believe me ive been down that road. I put a 37 dollar atsco on a rem 700 .30-06 and it lasted about 4 rounds. But i think it was due to recoil and a cheap scope. I was hoping a .22 mag wouldnt bust this 100 slightly less cheap scope. If it does ill return it and fork out the big bucks. Im on a limited budget for a few months and thought this might d the trick for now.

CB900F
April 1, 2013, 10:29 PM
KY;

What you got should do fine. I was just cautioning about the sub-$50.00 re-ground popbottle bottoms.

900F

greyling22
April 2, 2013, 12:57 AM
I don't have much experience with the banner personally, but when I was looking for budget glass a while back, it popped up a lot as the recommended best in class glass. Last weekend I was at the range and a guy with a banner compared it to my mueller apv, and he said the APv was nicer. I was too busy picking up 38 super brass to look through them both for a direct comparison. sorry.

Elkins45
April 2, 2013, 10:47 PM
I realize you've already made your decision, but for others reading this thread I would like to point out that SWFA is selling the Sightron S1 3X9 for $79.99. This is a crazy low price for what I think is the absolute best of the inexpensive scopes. I bought two of them a couple of months ago and I'm seriously thinking about snagging a couple more while they still have some of them left.

Sightron is the one exception the the "you get what you pay for" rule for buying optics IMO.

CB900F
April 3, 2013, 11:40 AM
Fella's;

I've got the Sightron S1 rimfire 3-9X & have had it for several years. I bought it at something around $120.00 I think, but can't remember exactly. Nonetheless, I'm happy with it, and don't feel duped now that I find out it's available for less. It is good glass for the money.

900F

Elkins45
April 3, 2013, 07:04 PM
Fella's;

I've got the Sightron S1 rimfire 3-9X & have had it for several years. I bought it at something around $120.00 I think, but can't remember exactly. Nonetheless, I'm happy with it, and don't feel duped now that I find out it's available for less. It is good glass for the money.

900F
You don't have to feel bad. They don't have the rimfire variant at that price, just the regular one set for 100 yard parallax.

Captains1911
April 4, 2013, 09:44 AM
Cheap and bashed around generally doesnt equal longevity.
What I was thinking.

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