What companies are still in your favor/will you continue to use after all this hoopla


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bhhacker
April 1, 2013, 12:23 PM
I feel like almost every company ive used for buying anything firearm related really kind of put it to me and everyone else with jacking up of prices and other skullduggery in general.


What companies did you find that still "kept it real" with their offerings so i can offer my business to them instead of the gougers?

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Solo
April 1, 2013, 12:33 PM
MidwayUSA

parker51
April 1, 2013, 12:39 PM
Cabelas.

akv3g4n
April 1, 2013, 12:44 PM
I think Midway and Brownells have been fair during the panic.

RFMan
April 1, 2013, 12:48 PM
Bravo Company
Primary Arms
Rainier Arms
White Oak Armament
Brownells
Midway
Magpul
Etc
:)

bugmania
April 1, 2013, 12:58 PM
MidwayUSA
Missouri Bullet Company
Berry's Manufacturing
Powder Valley

wally
April 1, 2013, 01:01 PM
Midway, Brownells, Sportsmans Guide, Primary Arms, J&T Distributing (Doublestar).

Sgt_R
April 1, 2013, 01:02 PM
There are many, but these guys will get my money first:

Midway
Larue
Bravo Company
Palmetto State Armory
One Source Tactical
Magpul

rdhood
April 1, 2013, 01:12 PM
The only company that I wont do business with is Cheaper than Dirt. They showed their true colors in 2008. I have not done business with them since then. This time around, they only reaffirmed my position.

Everyone else: MidwayUSA, PSA, Brownells, MidSouthShootersSupply, Cabelas, and many more all have done their best.

ldlfh7
April 1, 2013, 01:15 PM
Cabelas

holdencm9
April 1, 2013, 01:22 PM
First and foremost: MAGPUL

I have always been a fan of their stuff, but after the way they have fought in Colorado, orchestrating the "Colorado Airlift" and regardless of where they end up, I will go out of my way to buy Magpul stuff from now on.

Brownell's
Powder Valley
MidwayUSA
Palmetto State Armory
Cabela's
Fleet Farm

ambidextrous1
April 1, 2013, 01:28 PM
I don't boycott any business for any reason; it's not possible to anticipate the (possibly negative) consequences of a boycott.

I may show a preference for some businesses, but I won't spend the extra time and money that may be necessary to boycott a company.

Outlaw Man
April 1, 2013, 02:16 PM
At least one LGS has participated in the recent price gouging, though I think much of it is because they are very new and don't have the established supply lines the others do. For now, I'm cautiously giving them the benefit of the doubt. The others have done a very good job of keeping their prices down by limiting sales. On the national level, Midway and others have seemed to be doing the same.

I will also continue to be a Magpul customer. They have clearly been on the front lines of this fight. There are several others who made very vocal statements, but no one has had to put their money where their mouth is quite like our friends in Colorado.

Girodin
April 1, 2013, 03:18 PM
There are many, but these guys will get my money first:

Midway
Larue
Bravo Company
Palmetto State Armory
One Source Tactical
Magpul

I wouldn't have bought from one source tactical before all this started and nothing has changed. I'll leave out the two pages that could be said about Gabe and why he is not the type of person I would ever knowingly do business with and simply note I have never seen a thing there for sale that I wanted, which couldn't be had for less somewhere else.

PSA definately raised their prices during all the panic. I wont say whether they were right or wrong to do so but unlike say midway I say a notable rise in PSA's prices. They are still up in fact.

I'm with you on Magpul, midway, and Larue though. Midway not only didn't price gouge even the most sought after items, but also donated $1 million to the NRA-ILA. Magpul again not only didn't price gouge but was very active in the fight for gun rights. I'd be inclined to buy a magpul item over any similar product.

Cheaper than Dirt. They showed their true colors in 2008. I have not done business with them since then. This time around, they only reaffirmed my position.

I'm the same. There have been several times over the last 4 years or so that I have happily spent a dollar or two more to buy the same item from another company. I can easily afford a dollar more and would much rather give my money to other companies.

esheato
April 1, 2013, 03:30 PM
Midway not only didn't price gouge even the most sought after items, but also donated $1 million to the NRA-ILA.

They also donated an additional $3m to their Scholastic Shooting Trust Fund just a few days ago. (http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/03/potterfields-donate-3-million-to-scholastic-shooting-trust/)

Never was much of a fan of CTD, so no harm there.

It would be a whole lot easier to say who I'm not doing business with.

OldTex
April 1, 2013, 03:43 PM
All the ones I've been pleased with are already mentioned above. I've bought primers from Midway and Natchez in the last 2-3 weeks at the same prices as 2-3 months ago. They were only in stock for 4-5 minutes, but they didn't gouge me.

TarDevil
April 1, 2013, 03:43 PM
CTD is the only one that I can say for certain will never see my money.

I've kinda revised some of my thinking about price changes. The reality is, some small shops and ranges are going out of business due to this shortage, and there's no doubt the survivors are hurting. If we want outlets for gun related stuff, it just may be an evil necessity that they increase prices.

swalton1943
April 1, 2013, 03:47 PM
LibertyTree collecters

oneounceload
April 1, 2013, 04:48 PM
They are all in my favor and I will continue to use all of those for whom my needs are met at prices i am willing to pay - doesn't matter what they did before, during or after. They are in business to make money and STAY in business.

Everyone whining about gouging needs to watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9QEkw6_O6w)

All for crucifying the guy who raised his price should be thanking him, because he was able to cut the demand by those who would buy it all and then scalp it on gunbroker

mtrmn
April 1, 2013, 08:39 PM
I did not see Widener's listed, so I must add them to the list. They have been among the most faithful over the years for me.
Also Top Brass and Apex Brass.
RCBS and Dillon.
I'm sure there's a few more I just can't remember at the moment.

Akita1
April 1, 2013, 09:09 PM
Bravo
Brownells
Cabelas
Midway
Magpul
Larue

SigSour
April 1, 2013, 09:24 PM
Pretty much the same.
Brownells
MidwayUSA
Cabelas
Magpul for sure


Bulkammo.com goes into my trash bin.

HOOfan_1
April 1, 2013, 09:30 PM
I haven't bought anything gun related in the panic...but I watched prices

Midway and Brownells (well I did backorder with them 3 months ago...still waiting...)..also Berry's all kept their prices good.


Berry's is my favorite, but they don't sell much other than bullets and a few other reloading components.

41wheelgun
April 1, 2013, 09:39 PM
Midway, JSE Surlpus, Academy Sports, and yes I have to include Wally World because I bought my Colt AR at pre SH prices.

beatledog7
April 1, 2013, 09:41 PM
Whichever has what I need or from whichever I can build an order of many things at the best price when I need to order it. I don't boycott any firearms or accessories companies. I avoid GM and Chrysler products, but that's about the extent of my boycotting.

Tcruse
April 1, 2013, 09:42 PM
Walmart

No price increase, 3 box limit, publishes schedule so everyone has a even playing field

TheCracker
April 1, 2013, 09:48 PM
The only purchases I have made have online have been:

Missouri bullet co
Cabelas
Midwayusa
Ruger.com for mags

They all were not jacket up crap like many others. I will continue I do business with these for sure. Screw the ones like cheaper than dirt. I hope they go out of business.

Retail stores:
Walmart
Academy
Both LGS in my area were fair as well

They have been great and limit purchase quantities not screw ppl by raising prices. They will continue to get my business for years to come as well.

Buck Kramer
April 1, 2013, 09:56 PM
AimSurplus, Shipped ammo in 4 days in the worst of the panic. I've always liked them through quite a few transactions. Brownells also.

beatledog7
April 1, 2013, 10:12 PM
Screw the ones like cheaper than dirt. I hope they go out of business.

To what end? Fewer companies in the business of supplying our needs would mean less competition and higher prices. The more companies like CTD we have, the better our chances of others remaining encouraged to keep prices reasonable to garner market share from the high-priced guys.

In any market, without the high-price guy, everyone else has an opening to nudge their prices up.

4season
April 1, 2013, 10:13 PM
Midway if they ever get stuff back in stock.
GunPartsWarehouse
BassPro
Academy

In my local market, Big Al's has done some gouging but most the others have stayed true.

danoam
April 1, 2013, 10:32 PM
Midway
Brownells
AIM Surplus
Palmetto State Armory

And a huge thank you to Magpul, I will always be a customer.

There are many more but these have been the companies that I've dealt with during this whole mess.

HKGuns
April 1, 2013, 10:36 PM
Most of them except CTD.

xjsnake
April 1, 2013, 11:13 PM
CDNN, And PSA. Both have been great

12131
April 2, 2013, 02:57 AM
Would be easier to ask, "Which companies will you not be buying from, after all this hoopla?".

BigBore44
April 2, 2013, 07:54 AM
Midway, Walmart, Missourri Bullet Co, my awesome LGS!

Hapworth
April 2, 2013, 09:24 AM
Midway really kept the faith. AmmoToGo did, too. Had good experiences with Brownells, Natchez and 44Mag. Best discovery has been Kesselring Gun Shop.

Arkansas Paul
April 2, 2013, 10:19 AM
Midway has been my go to source for a long time now, and will continue to be.
If you want cast bullets, do business with Missouri Bullets every chance you get. They have been remarkably efficient during the panic.

Eb1
April 2, 2013, 10:22 AM
MidwayUSA
Dillion
Brian Enos
Missouri Cast Bullets
Star Line Brass
Palmetto State Armory
White Oak Armory
Some Local Gun Shops who did not jack up prices.

Looks like a couple Arkansas boys have the same idea about MidwayUSA and MCB.

pistolpositive
April 2, 2013, 10:33 AM
walmart, gandermountain and cabelas have been my sources that have acted in a reasonable manner.
My local LGS - sheesh, they just stoke the fires and then raise the price of the fire extinguisher (:
My favorite LGS in San Antonio (Nagels) has been OK about guns, but on ammo, they are gouging.

Oklacoyotekiller
April 2, 2013, 11:03 AM
Al i have to say is i need to start trying to sell dirt so i can buy ammo;)

Girodin
April 2, 2013, 03:39 PM
CDNN, And PSA. Both have been great

CDNN, are you joking? They raised prices on their HK style rifles by about $500 overnight. They raised the price on master molder AK mags from around $8 to $30 or so, again basically overnight. I get their emails and at least some were typical scare tactics fear mongering advertising. They jacked their prices on a number of other magazines as well. They were pretty bad price gougers. I'm not sure how anything they've done would qualify as "great."

alsaqr
April 2, 2013, 03:44 PM
i will continue to order from Cabelas, Dillon, Grafs, Natchez and Third Generation Shooters Supply.

oneounceload
April 2, 2013, 03:45 PM
No such thing as price gouging - they are in business to offer goods at the prevailing market rate - period. What if they hadn't raised their prices? One person would have bought them all and then there wouldn't be any for anyone. Instead, only those who really needed them were able to get them. They were able to keep a supply of scarce items so that they could keep their doors open

Arkansas Paul
April 2, 2013, 04:27 PM
No such thing as price gouging

Well, there is a such thing, but what CTD did wasn't it. The term "price gouging" refers to jacking up the prices on necessary items like food and water. Or generators after a hurricane. Things like that. Extra ammo isn't a necessity. Not yet anyway.

With that being said, I would still rather do business with the people who did not jack up their prices. CTD actually cancelled orders, saying they were out of stock, then offered the items the next day at a 400% markup. I do choose to spend my money with people who didn't do that.

oneounceload
April 2, 2013, 04:40 PM
Watch this video about price gouging, even during hurricanes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9QEkw6_O6w

JohnnyK
April 2, 2013, 04:42 PM
Iron Clad Armory, Jse surplus, Amazon, Walmart

Girodin
April 2, 2013, 10:31 PM
No such thing as price gouging

That begs the question of why the term exists doesn't it?

Price gouging is in fact a thing, and the definition is as follows: "pricing above the market price when no alternative retailer is available"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/price+gouging?s=t

GCMkc
April 2, 2013, 11:15 PM
PSA
Midway USA
AIM Surplus
Wideners
Primary Arms
Wal-Mart
SKD Tactical
Rifle Gear

Ignition Override
April 3, 2013, 12:47 AM
Palmetto State, Midway, and probably Ammoman (7.62x39).

Palmetto State still had some .303 in late December at the Old Prices (.75 per).
They did not raise it as quickly as most of them.

My primary ammo purchase will be M2 Ball from the CMP, which is non-profit.
Want to buy extra in case my son is ever bitten by the Garand bug.

Iramo94
April 3, 2013, 02:36 AM
That begs the question of why the term exists doesn't it?

Price gouging is in fact a thing, and the definition is as follows: "pricing above the market price when no alternative retailer is available"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/price+gouging?s=t
If no alternative is available, your high price isn't above the market, it IS the market. I see no price gouging, only Econ 101. Demand is at an all time high, and the manufacturers know it won't stay that way. Supply won't be increasing to meet demand any time soon. Instead, prices increase to keep supplies on the shelves.

justice06rr
April 3, 2013, 05:51 AM
Aimsurplus, JoeBobOutfitters, Spikes Tactical and a couple others.

I've never bought from CTD and never will..

justice06rr
April 3, 2013, 06:08 AM
If no alternative is available, your high price isn't above the market, it IS the market. I see no price gouging, only Econ 101. Demand is at an all time high, and the manufacturers know it won't stay that way. Supply won't be increasing to meet demand any time soon. Instead, prices increase to keep supplies on the shelves.


Here we go again about no price gouging.

Even Wikipidea has a definition: "term referring to a situation in which a seller prices goods or commodities much higher than is considered reasonable or fair. "

I was at a gun show in January at the height of the panic. There was a dealer selling Pmags for $40, and another seller in the same building selling them for $140. $40-50 is fair market price for a $15 mag, $140 obviously is not.

Necessity? Well aren't magazines a necessity for a firearm? Multiple magazines at that.

Agsalaska
April 3, 2013, 07:34 AM
CTD but not because of their prices.

And iwill avoid the price gouging argument. It makes me sick to my stomach.

lcambre
April 3, 2013, 07:49 AM
Fortunately for me, the companies I was buying from before have been good on pricing during this time:
Brownells
DSG
Midway
Champions Choice
I also was able to get ammo at good prices from a couple of local gun stores.

Girodin
April 3, 2013, 02:10 PM
Another company I wont buy from is KVAR. The cancelled an order that was in stock and made just pre panic. Then sent an email offering to substitute it with a different product, which was originally less expensive than the original product. And then charged their new higher price on the replacement product.

People can argue semantic all day. The fact is I'm going to buy from companies that show they respect and value their customers in the long term. I'm going to buy from companies that have policies that help quell the panic not exacerbate it. I'm going to buy from companies that fight to preserve our rights.

I totally think companies are free to jack their prices to what idiots will pay. I have enough guns, mags, and ammo that I can ride out the panics induced by the ill prepared, short sighted, and chicken little types. That said I also spend 10s of thousands of dollars a year on gun stuff and I am just as free to choose where to spend that money during the leaner times. Others can do what they feel good about. I really question the integrity/values of someone who would, knowing the crap CTD has pulled, buy from a company like them to save a dollar.

oneounceload
April 3, 2013, 03:11 PM
Girodin and Justice - did you watch that video I linked to? It might teach you something.

"pricing above the market price when no alternative retailer is available"

When was there no other alternative retailer in the age of the internet?

Orkan
April 3, 2013, 03:14 PM
Midway huh? Not if I can help it.

Lots of guys I know had magazines on order through them. Midway instituted a limit on the number of mags you could buy, and then retroactively applied it to the back-orders of those people that ordered before the limit was in place.

Girodin
April 4, 2013, 03:28 AM
Girodin and Justice - did you watch that video I linked to? It might teach you something

Thanks for the youtube video. I have studied economics including during the pursuit of an advanced degree, one I obtained with manga cum laude honors. But again, thanks for the youtube video. I'm suddenly informed and my world view has changed.

I never said there was anything per se immoral about what they are doing or that they ought not be allowed to do it. Price gauging or whatever one wants to call it, is undoubtedly free market principles at work. I'm okay with that. What I said is just as they are free to charge what the market will bare at a given moment, I'm free to choose not to buy from them, but rather from others who earn my business through service and establishment of a relationship.

I understand that if they don't raise the prices someone else will likely buy the goods and then turn around and raise them. I saw this happening left and right during the height of the panic. I understand how sudden increase in demand affects pricing. I understand how prices going up in turn affects both demand and supply. I understand the nuts and bolts of it. That doesn't mean I'm not free to choose to spend my money with people that use other tools such as rationing, etc and sale at lower prices. Establishing relationships, service, etc is part of capitalism and market choices too.

Canceling orders and then selling those goods at higher prices is on the other hand immoral and a breach of contract if it could be proven.

Fear mongering in order to cause a panic is pretty questionable.

In sum they are free to price their goods as they like. I'm also free to buy from vendors I feel treat me well.

goon
April 4, 2013, 06:57 AM
Magpul has shown themselves to be very solid through this whole thing.
Midway has continued to deliver items to me that were placed on order before the panic as they have become available.
Ruger has been taking backorders throughout and only raised the prices on their BX-25 magazines to $31.95. I think they were $2 cheaper pre-panic, and people were paying $75 each for them at one point.
I also got a couple things from Cabela's at their normal slightly high price - but they were reliable and they allowed me to backorder.
I'll keep working with all these companies in the future.

I'll never give Cheaper Than Dirt another dollar for anything ever again.

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