HiViz Shooting Systems Leaving Colorado.


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climbnjump
April 1, 2013, 11:40 PM
Apologies if this has already been posted - I searched but didn't see anything.

HiViz Shooting Systems Announces Relocation Plans (http://www.hivizsights.com/relocation-plan)

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mrvco
April 1, 2013, 11:58 PM
Thanks, I hadn't seen their announcement.

Just more ammo for the 2014 election.

hoghunting
April 2, 2013, 12:39 AM
I buy, use and very happy with HiViz products, glad to see them leaving the state invaded by California liberals.

MachIVshooter
April 2, 2013, 02:15 AM
At the rate things are going, the state is going to find itself with > $1B deficit by next year. Good. This will be a black streak on the Democrats for many years to come.

Steel Horse Rider
April 2, 2013, 03:48 PM
Losing one from my own back yard.....

Ryanxia
April 2, 2013, 03:54 PM
Fantastic!

InkEd
April 2, 2013, 05:06 PM
That makes two companies leaving Colorado! I really wish that some of the industry giants would do the same thing! I am sure S&W and others generate millions in taxes and that is a lot of lost revenue.

19-3Ben
April 2, 2013, 05:17 PM
Nice!!!! Now time for Mossberg, Colt, Ruger, Charter arms, Stag, CVA, Etc... walk out on CT.

Caliper_RWVA
April 2, 2013, 05:51 PM
Nice!!!! Now time for Mossberg, Colt, Ruger, Charter arms, Stag, CVA, Etc... walk out on CT.

I just sent Ruger a letter asking what they will do. Seems only Rugers corporate HQ is in CT and the rest of the operations are in NH and AZ so it shouldn't be that hard to relocate.

JTHunter
April 2, 2013, 06:00 PM
Sweet!

CoRoMo
April 2, 2013, 06:03 PM
Ehem... Burris Optics... are you watching? Wanna lend a hand? Maybe put some pressure on the state, eh?

Old Fuff
April 2, 2013, 06:10 PM
Sturm Ruger is incorporated in CT., which is the only reason they retain a small office there. To change would be expensive in terms of legal fees, and what the state gets in revenue from that small operation is peanuts compared to what they lost in jobs and money when the company moved out their manufacturing plants.

It would seem that the loss of jobs and tax revenue doesn't concern the legislators currently in power. If those that live in the various "blue states" don't like it they can express they're feelings in the next round of elections.

Otherwise they are best viewed in a rear-view mirror.

MErl
April 2, 2013, 09:09 PM
no, the Pols in power do not care about this at all.

This is part of an email I got from my state senator today (Matt Jones)
Jobs - We need to help Coloradans get jobs and help the economy recover. This includes local energy conservation and renewable energy jobs. I am sponsoring a bill to set up a voluntary program to provide small businesses access to money to pay for these clean energy improvements. The bill expands the "Climate Smart" type program used in Boulder County into a statewide program. These types of programs are called "Property-Assessed Clean Energy" (PACE). SB 212 helps create local construction jobs that can't be outsourced, reduces a business's energy costs and reduces pollution.

The "Keep Jobs in Colorado" bill will be introduced soon. This will help put Coloradans back to work by ensuring that we are prioritizing Colorado tax dollars by hiring Coloradans for public work project and restricting outsourcing jobs overseas. This bill also mandates the disclosure of where steel and other materials that are being used for state projects were made.

Note he did not even mention the gun control bills he voted for in his "Look what we've done this year" message.

Rock185
April 3, 2013, 02:38 AM
I have to agree with Old Fuff and MErl, in that I do not believe leftest legislators care about lost jobs and lost tax revenue At ALL when it comes to the opportunity for more gun control legislation. Beyond insuring the growth of entitlements, their #2 priority does seem to be to restrict access to firearms of any type, in any way possible. I believe, and they obviously believe, that the majority of voters will support their efforts to rid society of the "Gun Culture" and they will easily be re-elected. I hope they are wrong. If/when they are re-elected though, and there is a future opportunity for restrictive legislation as in New York and Colorado, they will strongly, and probably successfully support that. In future, given an opportunity provided by another mad man or whatever, those same legislators in Colorado and New York, for instance, will support and probably pass even more draconian anti gun laws. A two round limit, .22LR or black powder only allowed, or who knows what they will come up with? Old Fuff may be aware of a legislator here in Arizona who attempted to attach 18 gun control ammendments to a bill here within the last few days. Most people, even gun owners, are not passionate about defense of the 2A. For example,we had neighbors over for Easter dinner. He is a gun owner, but made a comment about "those guns we don't need" i.e., AR type rifles...

Kynoch
April 3, 2013, 04:38 AM
I just sent Ruger a letter asking what they will do. Seems only Rugers corporate HQ is in CT and the rest of the operations are in NH and AZ so it shouldn't be that hard to relocate.

Ruger also started in Southport, CT in 1949. Not everyone sees cutting and running as the best course of action. Many believe standing-up and fighting is the right and honorable thing to do.

Kynoch
April 3, 2013, 04:44 AM
Sturm Ruger is incorporated in CT., which is the only reason they retain a small office there. To change would be expensive in terms of legal fees, and what the state gets in revenue from that small operation is peanuts compared to what they lost in jobs and money when the company moved out their manufacturing plants.

It would seem that the loss of jobs and tax revenue doesn't concern the legislators currently in power. If those that live in the various "blue states" don't like it they can express they're feelings in the next round of elections.

Otherwise they are best viewed in a rear-view mirror.

Ruger has more than a "small office" in Southport. All of their gov't sales moves through that facility for example. I believe Ruger is Incorporated in the state of Delaware as are many US companies due to Delaware's incorporation laws.

Bill_Shelton
April 3, 2013, 08:03 AM
There's only like....what? Maybe 10 employees at most who work at Hi-Viz? Their products are probably manufactured in China. I doubt Colorado is going to care.

Remllez
April 3, 2013, 06:05 PM
Bill Shelton,

You may have missed the point just a little.

hoghunting
April 4, 2013, 12:59 AM
Ehem... Burris Optics... are you watching? Wanna lend a hand? Maybe put some pressure on the state, eh?

Beretta owns Burris Optics, it's doubtful the Italian company will spend money for a move when this product isn't involved in the political squabbles.

Steel Horse Rider
April 4, 2013, 10:49 AM
I believe the manufacturing has already been moved out of Colorado in the case of Burris. We did maintenance and repair work on the chillers of a company that did the anodizing for the scope tubes when Burris did their manufacturing in Greeley, but they closed up several years ago. The word from the owner was that the manufacturing was going overseas.

76shuvlinoff
April 4, 2013, 11:02 AM
We need the major players to make a real statement.

foghornl
April 5, 2013, 08:07 AM
Magpul & HiViz both bailing out of Colorado; now Beretta has announced plans to leave Maryland...and yet, the politicians in those states STILL don't get it.

Maybe if Kimber, Remington and others left NY state......

MErl
April 5, 2013, 08:54 AM
no they wont get it, they truly do not care. Some are actively saying Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Magpul leaving, they don't speak to that, but they do hype how they poached a financial services company from NY.

I applaud companies for doing this but it really does not matter to the state.

Old Fuff
April 5, 2013, 11:36 AM
no they wont get it, they truly do not care. Some are actively saying Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

You are right of course, what we see is a case of know-it-all ideology being the most important (and maybe only) consideration. But as time passes and the economic consequences become more noticeable with the 2014 election looming ahead, some of them will have reason to worry - but by then it will be too late.

leadcounsel
April 7, 2013, 01:57 AM
It WILL matter. All of these pro-gun companies need to relocate.

Halal Pork
April 7, 2013, 02:51 AM
Ruger also started in Southport, CT in 1949. Not everyone sees cutting and running as the best course of action. Many believe standing-up and fighting is the right and honorable thing to do.

How's that been working out for you in California?

If people believe the prospects in other states are better for them, their families, their businesses--and they have the means--they should move. One could also argue the (im)morality of choosing to support a corrupt government that demonstrates complete disregard for constitutionally protected civil liberties.

Kynoch
April 7, 2013, 03:09 AM
How's that been working out for you in California?

If people believe the prospects in other states are better for them, their families, their businesses--and they have the means--they should move. One could also argue the (im)morality of choosing to support a corrupt government that demonstrates complete disregard for constitutionally protected civil liberties.

I cannot think of anywhere else in the USA that I would rather live. That's how it's working out for me...

Some people bug-out when there is trouble. Others endure and fight back. You're ignorance is showing when you suggest "the (im)morality of choosing to support a corrupt government..." Not only is the gov't no less "corrupt" (just because you do not like it does not mean that it is "corrupt") wherever you live than here, I'm not as short-sighted as you. I plan to endure, to continue the fight -- looking to the future. You on the other hand would have bugged out at the first opportunity.

Then again I wouldn't expect anything different than someone using a taunting nickname like you are. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Halal Pork
April 7, 2013, 03:35 AM
I cannot think of anywhere else in the USA that I would rather live. That's how it's working out for me...

Some people bug-out when there is trouble. Others endure and fight back. You're ignorance is showing when you suggest "the (im)morality of choosing to support a corrupt government..." Not only is the gov't no less "corrupt" (just because you do not like it does not mean that it is "corrupt") wherever you live than here, I'm not as short-sighted as you. I plan to endure, to continue the fight -- looking to the future. You on the other hand would have bugged out at the first opportunity.

Then again I wouldn't expect anything different than someone using a taunting nickname like you are. You should be ashamed of yourself.
The implication in your previous post was that leaving a state for the reasons mentioned in this thread is not "right and honorable" or even, in other words, cowardly. I thought that was worth addressing because, of course, there are different reasonable ways to view almost any situation. I'm glad you're so happy with California. Personally, I would never choose to live there again. However, your assertions regarding my being "short-sighted" and "ignorant" were awfully presumptuous. You should keep in mind that just as you choose to criticize others for moving themselves, their families, and their businesses to what they hope are greener pastures, others may not find your choice "to endure" and "fight" above reproach.

danez71
April 7, 2013, 11:12 AM
If all of the gun people moved to 20 states, it would make them seem extreme and fringe and would make them easier targets by the other 30 non gun friendly states.

Ive never seen a battle, whether verbal or physical, won by retreating and huddling in a temporarily safe place.

The best outcome from that tactic is surviving a little longer.

breakingcontact
April 7, 2013, 11:42 AM
Hope you all play nice so this don't get shut down.

I've been thinking a lot about this. If we all moved to Wyoming. Then all of the other states gun rights would fall, the elected representatives from all of the other states would then also be anti-gun on a national level. The 2nd Amendment would be wiped out and we'd all be left sitting in one state patting ourselves on the back while all the states around us fell until it went national then we lost our 2nd Amendment rights. I don't blame companies for relocating but I'm sure they supported their state pro-gun movement so it's kind of the same as for people.

I don't fault people or companies for moving. Fighting the good fight is one thing but eventually how can you not seek refuge somewhere else. If the logic is you should stay put and keep bailing water while the ship sinks, then all the people who started this country just shouldn't have bothered and stayed on their oppressive homelands.

danez71
April 7, 2013, 12:06 PM
Hope you all play nice so this don't get shut down.

I've been thinking a lot about this. If we all moved to Wyoming. Then all of the other states gun rights would fall, the elected representatives from all of the other states would then also be anti-gun on a national level. The 2nd Amendment would be wiped out and we'd all be left sitting in one state patting ourselves on the back while all the states around us fell until it went national then we lost our 2nd Amendment rights. I don't blame companies for relocating but I'm sure they supported their state pro-gun movement so it's kind of the same as for people.

I don't fault people or companies for moving. Fighting the good fight is one thing but eventually how can you not seek refuge somewhere else. If the logic is you should stay put and keep bailing water while the ship sinks, then all the people who started this country just shouldn't have bothered and stayed on their oppressive homelands.

But moving from CO th WY doesnt get you out of an oppressive national govt which is what the 1st part of your post acknowledges the end game of that tactic.

breakingcontact
April 7, 2013, 12:27 PM
^agreed^ I don't know what the move is. If our side got more active in these oppressive states, joined organizations, gave money, voted, then these anti laws wouldnt be passing. Once HiViz sights and Magpul and whoever else bails on their oppressive current states, hopefully they continue to fund the fight from outside. However, its the individual gun owners that are going to win this thing, not companies. Companies like midwayusa certainly have helped our cause but not without the gun owning customers money.

Anyone have percentages on the # of gun owners who: are in the NRA, in state level pro-firearms organizations, how many vote, how they vote?

Unfortunately I don't know that many gun owners take buying a gun as a political act and joining in a political fight for their rights.

danez71
April 7, 2013, 12:35 PM
^^^^ Agreed.

This whole thing is like a cow pasture on a 100 degree day.... the day after a rain storm.

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