New Private series Swiss K31-with match stickers


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Mustang51
April 2, 2013, 12:59 PM
I've got this thing for Swiss rifles, especially the late manufactured ones and especially the ones that have Swiss match stickers on them.

Today I scored a K31 hat trick...late manufacture, Swiss match stickers and a Private series serial number

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/K31privatea_zps279cefda.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/K31privateb_zps04926dcb.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/K31privatec_zps69ff0100.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/K31privatef_zps7b470954.jpg

Description advised as follows

Swiss Schmidt-Rubin Karabiner Model 1931 (K31) Straight-Pull Rifle, #268285, 7.5x55mm Swiss, 25.7'' barrel, blue finish, European walnut stock, with sling. Import marked. Condition is fine to near excellent retaining approx. 95% blue on receiver. Stock shows minor dings, scratches, thinning to finish, and light oil staining. Action is crisp, bore is fine. Minor corrosion near rear sight should clean easily.

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Float Pilot
April 2, 2013, 05:44 PM
EXCELLENT !!!!

Now I need to take a cold shower....

Lone Star
April 2, 2013, 10:55 PM
Is that big ring the safety? Which direction is "on"?

303tom
April 2, 2013, 11:05 PM
Now that`s nice, fine looking rifle....................

Mustang51
April 2, 2013, 11:13 PM
Thanks, guys.

LS, the ring acts a safety and recocking pull. To apply the safety, you pull it back and turn it clock-wise 1/8 turn. To take it off safety, you can use your thumb and turn it counter clock-wise 1/8 turn.

wrench
April 2, 2013, 11:44 PM
Way above average K31! The 'P' series serial number and the shooting stickers really make it special.:D

Edarnold
April 2, 2013, 11:48 PM
Would that have come from Simpsons, Ltd., by any chance? They have active Swiss connections and are bringing in good examples of all the S-R rifles from the 1911s onward. Now what you need for your rifle is a nice set of diopter Match sights to have it ready for competition!

Congratulations!

MarshallDodge
April 2, 2013, 11:48 PM
Very cool!

I love my K31 and was pleasantly surprised when I found the tag under the buttplate.

Mustang51
April 3, 2013, 12:09 AM
Thanks, guys


Would that have come from Simpsons, Ltd., by any chance? They have active Swiss connections and are bringing in good examples of all the S-R rifles from the 1911s onward. Now what you need for your rifle is a nice set of diopter Match sights to have it ready for competition!

Congratulations!

Actually, Ed, I got this at an on-line auction. I have a set of th eWF diopter sights and was planning on installing them. I also have a set of the Swiss Products diopters and they are nice also.

Float Pilot
April 3, 2013, 03:22 AM
LS, the ring acts a safety and recocking pull. To apply the safety, you pull it back and turn it clock-wise 1/8 turn. To take it off safety, you can use your thumb and turn it counter clock-wise 1/8 turn.

Yeap it was made so it could be done while wearing heavy ski gloves or mittens.

Geno
April 3, 2013, 06:04 AM
Wow, a very nice score! Thanks for posting the photos.

Geno

Dave P
April 3, 2013, 06:31 AM
Isn't the safety a quarter turn, not 1/8th?

meanmrmustard
April 3, 2013, 06:44 AM
Isn't the safety a quarter turn, not 1/8th?
Yes.

meanmrmustard
April 3, 2013, 06:45 AM
IMO, probably the finest WW2-era rifle out of Europe, if only second to the Swedish Mausers.

And you had to get one of the nicest I've seen.:fire:

amd6547
April 3, 2013, 08:26 AM
Beautiful. Sticker pics?

Leadbutt
April 3, 2013, 02:24 PM
Would love to have another left hand conversion unit for one, there are great rifles

Silent Sam
April 3, 2013, 02:50 PM
Yes.
Both are "safe". Depends on whether you want to lock the bolt or not.

Mustang51
April 5, 2013, 11:19 AM
Thanks, guys.

IMO, probably the finest WW2-era rifle out of Europe, if only second to the Swedish Mausers.

And you had to get one of the nicest I've seen.

MMM, my sons and I shoot Swiss rifles in vintage military rifle competitions on both silhouette and bullseye courses. The Swedish Mauser is our arch-rival, followed closely by the Finnish Mosins.

Beautiful. Sticker pics?

You can see the match stickers on the handguard and I'll post better when it arrives.

I've got several other Swiss rifles with match stickers on them and they look like this...

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Swiss%20Rifles/tgtK31a.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Swiss%20Rifles/Untitled-30.jpg

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Swiss%20Rifles/K31A-1.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Swiss%20Rifles/001-1.jpg

Dentite
April 5, 2013, 11:32 PM
Not bad but imagine how cool it would be in a synthetic stock and drilled and tapped for a scope.

I KID! I KID!

That's beautiful...I too like these rifles. I only have one but I enjoy it.

Thanks for sharing.

Mustang51
April 14, 2013, 02:43 PM
My new P series K31 arrived at my FFL last week. I got a chance to look it over before it went into his safe and everything looks as advertised. Bore is blindingly bright, a few dents on the stock and a little spot of corrosion on the rear sight and receiver. Should be a good shooter.

I looked over the match stickers and will post pics after the "10-day cooling off" period.

eastbank
April 14, 2013, 04:13 PM
i like them too.here,s my 96 mauser cg63 6.5x55 swedish match rifle with a norma barrel and target sights used in the swedish rifle matches. the rifle is super accrute. eastbank.

zoom6zoom
April 14, 2013, 04:28 PM
Can you explain the "private series"? I love my Swiss rifles but am unfamiliar with this concept.

Mustang51
April 14, 2013, 04:41 PM
i like them too.here,s my 96 mauser cg63 6.5x55 swedish match rifle with a norma barrel and target sights used in the swedish rifle matches. the rifle is super accrute. eastbank.

Beautiful CG 63, eb. Those are wonderful rifles. I've got a thing for Swedish rifles also.

Mustang51
April 14, 2013, 04:50 PM
Can you explain the "private series"? I love my Swiss rifles but am unfamiliar with this concept.

Sure. Most K31's were made for the military and when they were replaced with the Stgw 57 were eventually sold to the public.

However, some K31's never went to the military and instead were sold directly to the public. If you go to the Swiss Rifles website

http://www.swissrifles.com/

Click on "Schimdt-Rubins and K31's" on the left side, then "Manufacture Dates"...that takes you to this page...

http://www.radix.net...midt_rubin.html

Scroll down to the "Model 1931 Carbines (Karabiner)" table...

You can see that the last military issue K31 was 263330, issued in 1958...about 5000 short of mine.

Then scroll to the "Model 1931 Carbines - Private series" table. These are the K31's that were sold directly to the public and were never military rifles.

You can see a whole host of serial numbers, including in 1963, a run with serial numbers 267331 to 267380 and in 1971, serial numbers 269431 to 269580. That neatly brackets my serial number. According to the table, in 1968 and 1969 150 private series K31's, identified as only "various numbers" were sold. I can't say that my rifle was one of the 150 made in 1968 and 1969, but it is clear that it was sold directly to the public, probably some time in the 60's.

hang fire
April 14, 2013, 05:11 PM
IMO, probably the finest WW2-era rifle out of Europe, if only second to the Swedish Mausers.

And you had to get one of the nicest I've seen.:fire:
Both good, but cannot compare to the Finn M39 when it come to accuracy.

Bobson
April 14, 2013, 05:16 PM
Very nice. What do these K31 rifles tend to cost, on average? I've never seen one in person.

Mustang51
April 14, 2013, 06:07 PM
Both good, but cannot compare to the Finn M39 when it come to accuracy.

I'm a big fan of Swiss, Swedish and Finnish rifles and have multiple examples of all three, including unissued examples of "B barrel" M39's and late 60's and 1970 M39's

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/Finnish/002-1.jpg
http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2011/04/011Copy1-1.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/002-7-3.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/006-8-1.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/targets/011-3-1.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/targets/012-2-1.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/Bbarrellm39002-1.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/Bbarrellm39003-1.jpg

The Finns are fine rifles and very accurate. But to say that neither the Swedish nor the Swiss can compare to the Finnish M39 when it comes to accuracy is...well, possibly overstating the case a bit.

I've fired thousands of rounds through all three and I wouldn't care to live on the difference in accuracy between the Swiss, the Swedish and the Finnish military rifles. ;)

Mustang51
April 14, 2013, 06:09 PM
Very nice. What do these K31 rifles tend to cost, on average? I've never seen one in person.

The first two that I bought, about 5 years ago, were $99 a piece at Big 5 on sale. Of course, they were not in as nice a shape as the private series, but the bores are amazing. Switzerland never used corrosive primers in their 7.5 x 55 cartridges.

K31's in average military condition (stocks a bit beat up, metal in good shape, bores in excellent shape) seem to go for around $300 now.

Ignition Override
April 14, 2013, 08:37 PM
On a train in eastern Switzerland around '77, a Swiss lady told me that Swiss soldiers Had been in a battle with the German Wehrmacht in '40, maybe '41 or so.
She used either the word Schlacht or Kampf, but she did use the word Panzer (tanks) being involved. The chat was in German.
I've never read about a battle in the flatter parts of the eastern area, but who knows?

If so, a few of the guns in the US could have been used in that battle.

non2os13
April 14, 2013, 09:19 PM
I never knew that there were non military issue k31's. I have a k31 with a beat to hell beachwood stock. The blueing is excellent though and is by far my favorite rifle to shoot.

zoom6zoom
April 14, 2013, 10:43 PM
Thanks for the info. I have a K-11 that, according to serial number records, was in the last few hundred ever built.

madcratebuilder
April 15, 2013, 09:24 AM
These K's are a well engineered rifle considering they are military issue. The Swiss worked on a "sniper" version, starting with the K31 action during WWII

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Swiss%20K-31/pix26768375.jpg

Post war the Swiss continued to refine the "sniper" variant. By the mid 50's they had developed the ZFK55 variant of the K31. The ZFK shares a few parts with the K31 but most are not interchangeable.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Swiss%20K-31/sniper01.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Swiss%20K-31/k3155full3.jpg

Adding aftermarket components from Swiss Products well build a reasonable clone of the sniper.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Swiss%20K-31/K2501.jpg

sixgunner455
April 17, 2013, 04:49 AM
That's just fantastic.

Now I have to go shoot my K31. At least I have a battle pack I already unsealed. :D

skidooman603
April 17, 2013, 05:53 AM
Very Sweet rifle..Love all my Swedes and Swiss..My 1896/11 with cast bullets will shoot with anything I own..

Mustang51
April 17, 2013, 10:10 AM
Nice rifles, cratebuilder.

I bought some sported Swiss rifles a few years back, including a K31 that looks like someone started out to make a faux ZFK 55 with. One of these days I need to complete it with the SP accessories.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/K31sport1.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/Calfed/K31sport2.jpg

sixgunner455
April 21, 2013, 12:07 AM
I put mine to work for a while today. I was sighting in a scoped AR upper, and then practicing with my .243 hunting rifle and .22 target rifle with their scopes. It was honestly a relief to just lay on the ground with a simple rifle, put the front sight post on the steel, squeeze that sweet trigger, and hear the distant smack.

Did have to wear my shoulder pad, though. :D Can't shoot but a couple of rounds through it without the Pachmayr.

Mustang51
May 12, 2013, 10:38 PM
Finally got some pictures of the match stickers...

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Swiss%20Rifles/P1010158_zpsc8ddfd3a.jpg
http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/grant729/Swiss%20Rifles/6b3eb6da-f15d-42c2-a08c-310e8c84a49f_zps37fafdf1.jpg

rondog
May 12, 2013, 11:24 PM
Awesome! I need a smoke now.....

rondog
May 13, 2013, 10:16 AM
Nice rifles, cratebuilder.

I bought some sported Swiss rifles a few years back, including a K31 that looks like someone started out to make a faux ZFK 55 with. One of these days I need to complete it with the SP accessories.


If you decide you'd rather restore it with a complete stock, Swiss Products may have take-off stocks or can hook you up. There's a fella called "Guisan" on the Gun & Game board, I believe he's in Holland, and I "think" he's the patriarc of the Swiss Products company, or at least related somehow. I just know that not long ago he posted on gun & Game that he'd come across a large quantity of nice K31 stock sets. He seems to run across lots of stuff like that.

Edarnold
May 14, 2013, 12:48 AM
If you decide you'd rather restore it with a complete stock, Swiss Products may have take-off stocks or can hook you up. There's a fella called "Guisan" on the Gun & Game board, I believe he's in Holland, and I "think" he's the patriarc of the Swiss Products company, or at least related somehow. I just know that not long ago he posted on gun & Game that he'd come across a large quantity of nice K31 stock sets. He seems to run across lots of stuff like that.

General Henri Guisan was elected Supreme Commander of the Swiss armed forces by the Federal Assembly in 1939, after the fall of France. His strategy of no surrender and total resistance is credited with deterring the Nazis from attempting an invasion.
I have done business with the gentleman who goes by the forum name 'Guisan' several times, he locates various items both in the civilian market and from the government auctions of surplus equipment. A great source of uncommon items like the bullet lubricator for recent manufacture GP-11. Swiss Products is an entirely US based operation that makes things like the several types of scope mounts for the K31 and SR 11 rifles.

Mustang51
May 14, 2013, 04:50 PM
I've got a replacement stock for the K31, but am thinking of continuing with the "faux 31/55" treatment.

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