Makarov Pistols


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InkEd
April 3, 2013, 02:20 AM
Anyone own a Makarov? What are some of the pros and cons of them?

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PabloJ
April 3, 2013, 02:50 AM
There are only two advantages: inexpensive to buy and durable.

InkEd
April 3, 2013, 03:00 AM
They aren't really that "cheap" anymore. Are they nice guns or just worth having because of the old cheap price?

gun addict
April 3, 2013, 03:56 AM
If extrme reliability and great accuracy isnt your top priority in pistols, please feel free to skip the Makarov PM and leave more to the rest of us :D

No but really, not only are they accurate, dependable, some Makarovs like the Soviet/Chinese/East German variants have terrifric blueings and has alot of historical values to them. Who dosnt want to own a gun used for years and years by the "bad guys" on the other side of the Berlin wall?

InkEd
April 3, 2013, 04:24 AM
That's exactly why I love the AK (well not the accuracy part but everything else.) How is the trigger pull on those things.

ObsidianOne
April 3, 2013, 05:10 AM
I can't seem to find any reasonably priced and in stock anywhere, been looking for one for a while :(

Pilot
April 3, 2013, 10:05 AM
Well the supply is finite as there are no Makarovs being manufactured or imported anymore. Prices continue to go up as they are very reliable, all steel, old world style pistols that are becoming rarer these days. As others have said, they are very reliable with a safety that operates like most other pistols, although they are slide mounted which some don't like. The safety is also a decocker.

I have four Maks. Two Bulgarians, an East German and a nifty satin nickel Russian commercial model in .380.

I consider the Bulgarians the best values, as they retain the original fixed rear sight configuration like the Russian military, E.G. Maks, and Chinese Maks. The Russian Commercial Maks are fine, but do have an adjustable rear sight that bothers some. You should be able to find a Bulgie or Russian Commercial Mak for around $250 - $300. That is still a good value for what you get.

returningfire
April 3, 2013, 10:26 AM
The Polish p64's aren't Maks, but they shoot the 9X18 just as effectively. And are a lot more carry friendly. If you can't find a Mak, go for the P64.

YZ
April 3, 2013, 10:38 AM
That's exactly why I love the AK (well not the accuracy part but everything else.) How is the trigger pull on those things.
Extra heavy in DA.

The original sights are small and "slow". They may only delight you if you practice point shooting. The Mak goes back to the old continental doctrine where the sidearm is a sign of rank, a motivator, or last resort defense. It is considered compact in America, but was issued to officers (later police) with an OWB flap holster. Concealed carry was not even considered. (For that the USSR developed a little known Korovin) Shooting experience depends on who you ask. I would think people who appreciate the eastern bloc weapons will recommend this one.

lowercase
April 3, 2013, 10:53 AM
I own two Bulgarian Makarovs.

Rugged, reliable, simple, accurate, and FUN.

TimboKhan
April 3, 2013, 11:08 AM
They area good, solid pistol. As noted, generally very accurate on account of the fixed barrel. Also known for being reliable. Capful on my Bulgarian is heavy, but manageable.

Mayvik
April 3, 2013, 12:10 PM
They're also a good compromise between a 380 and 9x19 in the size of gun where 9x19 might be too unpleasant to shoot and 380 not comforting in the power department. The gun, in my opinion, is the perfect size for the cartridge.

Hurryin' Hoosier
April 3, 2013, 03:30 PM
I've got three Pistolet Makarovas (although my son-in-law is trying to talk me out of one) and find them to be some of the most solid, reliable, accurate, and rugged handguns I've ever handled. In addition, I find the design (with only twenty-seven parts) to be absolutely go-to-H... fascinating.

PabloJ
April 3, 2013, 03:58 PM
They area good, solid pistol. As noted, generally very accurate on account of the fixed barrel. Also known for being reliable. Capful on my Bulgarian is heavy, but manageable.
Ok, I forgot these are utterly reliable with very good accuracy potential but one is limited to work with rudimentary sights. While rear can be easily replaced with some hand fitting the front can not. I would save some money and get something like second hand G26 instead.

Hurryin' Hoosier
April 3, 2013, 04:43 PM
Ok, I forgot these are utterly reliable with very good accuracy potential but one is limited to work with rudimentary sights. While rear can be easily replaced with some hand fitting the front can not. I would save some money and get something like second hand G26 instead.
Not with my money, you wouldn't. ;)

jon_in_wv
April 3, 2013, 11:10 PM
The Makarov is one of the most dead simple and reliable pistols made. There are better carry pistols but the Makarov was one of my first. I never felt under gunned carrying it and I'll take it over many other modern pistols. Yes a Glock, M&P, Sig, or (enter other modern pistol here) is probably better but the Makarov isn't giving up anything in reliability or accuracy to any of them.

Hurryin' Hoosier
April 3, 2013, 11:22 PM
The Makarov is one of the most dead simple and reliable pistols made. There are better carry pistols but the Makarov was one of my first. I never felt under gunned carrying it and I'll take it over many other modern pistols. Yes a Glock, M&P, Sig, or (enter other modern pistol here) is probably better but the Makarov isn't giving up anything in reliability or accuracy to any of them.
I'll admit that there are guns (a couple of my Berettas come to mind) which might be "prettier", but I don't know of any gun which I would consider "better".

TripleL
April 3, 2013, 11:38 PM
I can't seem to find any reasonably priced and in stock anywhere, been looking for one for a while :(
If you haven't, check out Slim Tim's Trader on the Makarov forum. A member just sold his entire Mak collection and the lot didn't last long.

http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?47-Slim-Tim-s-Makarov-Trader

ltcboy
April 3, 2013, 11:39 PM
CZ82, by far is the best of the litter. I own the CZ82, Bulgarian & E. German Mak, P64 and Hungarian Feg. The CZ82 is very accurate and and overall great utility gun. I carry the P64 in my pants. The Makarovs are neat to shoot too.


MIke

Deaf Smith
April 4, 2013, 12:07 AM
Got my EG Mak years ago for $105 bucks. Yes hundred and five dollars.

When a store went belly up I got RCBS Mak dies cheap and 400 XTP 9mm Mak JHP slugs.

Plus I have a few hundred Winchester 9x18 rounds of FMJ as well as some Ruskie stuff.

Yes I'm happy with my EG. It is a good gun, BETTER than a Walther. It's only drawback is the poor sights (but it's superior DA trigger compensates and more for that fault.)

Deaf

s12.aaxtell
April 4, 2013, 07:30 PM
Only down side I have is the european mag release (its on the bottom of the magazine). Not a bad system, just different from my other carry gun so I have to practice it a few times. But other than that its a great, reliable pistol.

adaptandovercome
April 4, 2013, 07:45 PM
I have 2 Bulgarians and they are very accurate guns. Just can't find ammo for them anymore!

GyMac
April 4, 2013, 09:32 PM
I have 4 Makarovs: 2 Bulgarians, an East German and a Russian commercial, and love them all. They're relatively heavy in today's world, but I don't mind the weight. I find them to be very accurate and the triggers on all, except my Russian commercial, are excellent. Much better than a couple of Walther PPK's that I've shot. The magazine heel release doesn't bother me at all. The only downside to me is the sights, but I consider them sufficient for their purpose. I carry one of the Bulgarians at all times. I have other guns that I could carry, but I just prefer the Makarov.

jon_in_wv
April 4, 2013, 10:49 PM
CZ82, by far is the best of the litter. I own the CZ82, Bulgarian & E. German Mak, P64 and Hungarian Feg. The CZ82 is very accurate and and overall great utility gun. I carry the P64 in my pants. The Makarovs are neat to shoot too.


I am at a loss to understand why people can't tell the difference between pistol and caliber. The P64, Feg, and the Cz82 are NOT Makarovs they are CHAMBERED in 9x18 Makarov. Its like saying the Glock 21 is the best 1911 just because it also happens to be a 45. But to be fair I guess if it was a conversation about the 1911, someone would invariably chime in about the Glock 21 so I'll shut up.

M2 Carbine
April 5, 2013, 12:01 AM
I have 17. I would have more but everytme someone shoots one of my Makarovs they want it. When they were still about $130 I would sell a Makarov and next gun show buy two more.

The picture isn't up to date.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Maksall15.jpg

Refinished East German Mak.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Makchrome.jpg

Civilian Bularian Makrov.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Maksquaretriggerguard.jpg

Bulgarian 22 coverson on Bulgaian Mak.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Mak22conversion.jpg

Russian .380.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/380Makarov.jpg



I tried to make a new Bulgarian Makarov malfunction within 1,000 rounds.
It had no gun caused malfunctions.
Among other things I buried it in mud.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Makinmud.jpg

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Makfiredwithmud.jpg

Filled the inside with "pocket lint".
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Makcoveredwithlint.jpg


Accuracy check after the 1,000 round test. (The spread is the shooter, not the gun)
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Maktestgun35yards.jpg

wojownik
April 5, 2013, 01:18 AM
Hard to top M2 Carbine's post ... so I won't :neener: Just to add 2 cents, though:

Pros:
- durable
- reliable
- design is simplicity itself
- accurate (surprisingly so!)
- concealable

Cons:
- milsurp mags can be hard to come by
- somewhat heavy DA trigger
- euro mag release
- I'm sure someone could argue about the relative merits of the 9x18 round, but not me...

My own Maks include a Russian PM, Russian Izh, Bulgarian, and East German. Just a feeble shadow of M2's collection ...

Stringfellow
April 5, 2013, 01:36 AM
I am at a loss to understand why people can't tell the difference between pistol and caliber. The P64, Feg, and the Cz82 are NOT Makarovs they are CHAMBERED in 9x18 Makarov. Its like saying the Glock 21 is the best 1911 just because it also happens to be a 45. But to be fair I guess if it was a conversation about the 1911, someone would invariably chime in about the Glock 21 so I'll shut up.

I am with jon on his frustration about anything chambered in 9mm Mak being called a Makarov. However, I think the proper analogy is exactly if folks called any pistol chambered in .40 S&W a Smith & Wesson. That would be kind of silly, but it is the exact same thing.

YZ
April 5, 2013, 11:25 AM
At least the FEG is a Mak clone. I took both down side by side. From what I read, so is the Polish one. The 1911 analogy goes a little too far. It is more like a soviet AK compared to the Yugos or norincos.
The only possible exception is the CZ. I haven't looked inside only know it has a history of its own.

GyMac
April 5, 2013, 01:06 PM
Thanks for posting, M2 Carbine. It's always good to see Makarovs. I think it may be my favorite pistol.

rfwobbly
April 5, 2013, 03:48 PM
These are great little CC guns. The biggest issues with the Mak are:

► They fire from an unlocked breech; completely blow-back operated. That makes them very simple machines, but limits the loads and means a lot more gas/powder particles in your face than your typical 9mm.

► Reloaders should know that they are "9mm" in name only, actually 9.3mm. They do not use the same .355 bullet as other 9mm's, and Sierra and Berry have stopped making bullets for them.

Onward Allusion
April 5, 2013, 05:14 PM
Yeah, had a couple back in the day... One word - DURABLE/RELIABLE - ok, maybe 2 words. It used to be inexpensive, but those days are gone. Low capacity, though. Unless you had one of those "hi caps" models made for civilians. Personally, if I were to go 9x18 again, I'd get a CZ-82.

Paladin7
April 5, 2013, 05:25 PM
I look at the Makarov as the "Glock" of the East Bloc...

Here's what I mean by that comment...

Pro's
- VERY RELIABLE
- VERY ACCURATE (due primarily to the fixed barrel design)
- Very simple robust design, with very few parts to go wrong (starting to sound Glock-like? :neener:)
- Safety works like GOD and JMB intended - down to fire
- Very easy to conceal well

Con's
- The 9x18 cartridge - only because there are better options today in similar sized package
- No fire pin lock, so concealed carry with the safety on is a PRIORITY
- I cannot think of any others

Hope that helps...

JustinJ
April 5, 2013, 08:15 PM
Solid little guns but the heel mag release is primitive. There is good defensive ammo available but it's not nearly as plentiful as 9 mm, .40, .45 and even .380. I have a Russian that i got for the fiance but eventually decided to upgrade her to a Glock 19. They're interesting and fun range guns but for defensive use there are much better options.

Pilot
April 6, 2013, 09:03 AM
Solid little guns but the heel mag release is primitive.

Why is it primitive? I can drop a mag just as quickly as with a button mag release, plus I don't have to worry about inadvertently dropping a mag while holstered sitting in the car. My HK P7 also has a heel mag release, and I like it for the same reasons. Solid, and secure.

All guns are compromises, the Mak is a good choice if one wants an ultra reliable, accurate pistol with some history that has a bit more character than some modern, plastic pistols. The caliber is a reasonable one for SD.

4season
April 6, 2013, 11:17 AM
I have the IJ70 Russian Commercial Makarov chambered in 380. Paid less than $200 for it although it was missing a magazine and most of the blue was off the slide. I replaced the rear sight, painted the front sight, picked up a factory grip and magazine from a gun show and got a cheep IWB holster that is for a Bersa Thunder. It is now my EDC for under $300 total investment. That is the true beauty of a Makarov. Name any other small gun out there that is as reliable as a Makarov. If you can think of one I bet you won't be able to get fully setup to carry for under $300. I would rather mine be in 9x18 instead of 380 but all the replacement barrels are out of stock right now, so maybe I will convert it later.

For your Pros
1. Simple design
makes it easy to operate and maintain
only 27 parts so less to go wrong
2. Accurate
fixed barrel leads to more accuracy
3. Been around forever
all the bugs have been worked out and if you do have a problem there is plenty of people that have the knowledge to fix it.
4. Fairly slim (with factory grip) and compact
easy to conceal
5. Completely reliable
goes bang every time you pull the trigger
feeds any ammo that I have ever ran
doesn't jam up on pocket lint, mud, rain
6. Even though prices are climbing, they are much less expensive than other small reliable pistols.
7. 8+1 capacity
8. Euro mag release
won't be pushed my accident dropping your mag
And the Cons
1. Heavy
most more modern guns this size weigh less, although they recoil more
2. Small sights
the front sight needs machine work done to replace
3. Underpowered
many guns this size are now chambered in 9mm Luger, 40 S&W, or even 45 ACP
4. The finish doesn't hold up well
many of these guns have not been well cared for so the blue is worn
5. Euro mag release
takes longer to reload
6. No warranty
if you do have a problem (rare) you have to fix it yourself or take it to a gunsmith (no factory to send it back to)

Basically you won't find a more reliable gun out there, and while you can find more powerful, more compact, and lighter weight guns out there you will pay a lot more for them.

InkEd
April 6, 2013, 12:27 PM
I think the historic appeal is my main attraction to them.

GyMac
April 6, 2013, 12:37 PM
Solid little guns but the heel mag release is primitive. True, a lot of people don't like the heel release, but the placement there was a specific Soviet requirement to address a perceived fault of the Tokarev, which the Makarov replaced.

YZ
April 6, 2013, 03:28 PM
I think the historic appeal is my main attraction to them.
1+
What also helps the maks to earn love is the low expectations. When you hold a new Glock, every little glitch is inexcusable and a forum starter. With the makarovs nothing is taken for granted, and the flaws are forgiven. Consider this a mild exaggeration just to make a point.

TimboKhan
April 6, 2013, 04:22 PM
You know, to a certain extent YZ, I agree with you. I do have higher expectations of a new gun for sure. But, while I am willing to overlook the lack of modern features, the fact remains is that it is just a good shooting, well made gun. Good is good, even if it is outdated. Taking that a step further, newer isn't necessarily better. For example, and with caliber considerations aside, I would rather have a Mak than a first gen Sigma. Maks are just solid guns, though it is true that there is some consideration made for the period in which it was designed


sent from my Galaxy Note II.

Hurryin' Hoosier
April 6, 2013, 04:38 PM
Timbo, I am in agreement other than "lack of modern features" and "outdated". As you say, newer isn't necessarily better. Other than making the sights a tad bigger and figuring out a redesign of the safety spring (so that it doesn't scratch the frame), I really can't think of any way to improve on Makarov's design. They are just so damn rugged, accurate, and go-to-Hell ingenious, that they have just about made me forsake my beloved Berettas.

OilyPablo
April 6, 2013, 04:59 PM
My Bulgarian Makarov seems more accurate compared to my CZ-82's (yes I know they are not Maks) but they all shoot the 9x18 round. A nice light round with more oomph than the .380ACP. That said, the CZ's are more comfortable in hand. All are a complete hoot to shoot. So much so, I'm laying in some 9x18 ammo brass and steel.

Stringfellow
April 6, 2013, 05:36 PM
Harley-Davidsons are so outdated considering to all the latest technology found in other motorcycles. They are probably not even as safe as others that can accelerate more nimbly through traffic. Who would ever want one?

;)

YZ
April 6, 2013, 05:52 PM
Every time, well almost, someone calls his pistol accurate, it really means that he shoots it well. Almost all production pistols are accurate. They shoot straight. The rest is your eye and your hands.
The mak has a very comfortable grip. It is chunkier than the Walther prototype, and better fits in the larger hand of an American shooter. That's control. Makes you more accurate. (But heck you already know my bias)
The Makarov counterparts in the western militaries were the 1911, the HiPower, the SIG P210. All contemporaries. Just to keep the perspective.

Edit: Stringfellow, exactly! It's all between the ears. We are romantics sir.

nathan
April 6, 2013, 05:59 PM
I always carry mind even when im exercising at the gym. Its quite light if worn IWB . And i always carry an extra magful in the pocket. Yes, no need to buy an ammo pouch, that s the nice thing with Maks. Its a genius of a design like the AK 47.

jon_in_wv
April 8, 2013, 11:05 PM
I'll point out that the Glock fans like to say the Glock is so incredibly awesome because at 35 parts it is am example of superb engineering because it is SOOOO simple. But if you look at a Glock parts diagram 5-6 of the "parts" are part assemblies so it actually has over 50 parts. The Makarov does indeed only have 35 parts and even fewer moving parts than most other pistols. Less moving parts means less to malfunction. If less moving parts and simplicity of design is the measure of a pistol, the Makarov is king.

adaptandovercome
April 9, 2013, 06:08 PM
I notice ur name where in wv do u live?

Averageman
April 9, 2013, 06:54 PM
Although not a Makarov;
The Polish p64's aren't Maks, but they shoot the 9X18 just as effectively. And are a lot more carry friendly. If you can't find a Mak, go for the P64.
I have found this to be very true.

joneb
April 11, 2013, 04:02 AM
It's a funny thing I have three guns that cost less than $200 each, and I would not part with any of them.
E.G. PM
Russian SKS
TOZ 78-01
:D

Paladin7
April 11, 2013, 06:46 PM
I'll point out that the Glock fans like to say the Glock is so incredibly awesome because at 35 parts it is am example of superb engineering because it is SOOOO simple. But if you look at a Glock parts diagram 5-6 of the "parts" are part assemblies so it actually has over 50 parts. The Makarov does indeed only have 35 parts and even fewer moving parts than most other pistols. Less moving parts means less to malfunction. If less moving parts and simplicity of design is the measure of a pistol, the Makarov is king.
Bingo...

Hurryin' Hoosier
April 11, 2013, 08:15 PM
I think it's kind of funny that so many people hate a "European" magazine release (although I'll admit that the one on my Beretta Modello 1934 did take some getting used to). To me, the one on the Makarov is both easy to use and downright fascinating. One piece of spring steel which is the trigger spring, the hammer spring and the magazine release. I don't think that I could hold enough vodka to give me a vision like that! :D

adaptandovercome
April 11, 2013, 08:33 PM
I agree wonderful design !!!

Robbins290
April 11, 2013, 08:55 PM
First handgun i bought. Never going to resale it. Accurate and deadly reliable. Mild recoil too.

OilyPablo
April 11, 2013, 09:07 PM
The mag release on my Makarov sucks. There is no way around it.

adaptandovercome
April 11, 2013, 09:19 PM
I put a key ring on the mag release and it speeds it up a bit.

jon_in_wv
April 11, 2013, 09:23 PM
Funny, I've never once thought the mag release on my Mak "sucks". It does what it is designed to do. I like the Mag release on the P7 PSP better. Considering I have short thumbs and I can't get even close to reaching the mag release on a Glock with either my thumb or my middle finger I would say that one "sucks" for me. Considering I don't have to lose or change my grip to drop the mag on the Mak makes it better for me.

Also, you have to remember on most Commie Bloc weapons the idea was the retain the magazine after it was empty instead of dumping it on the ground like we do. A soldier was given 2-3 mags and he was responsible for them. When supplies came only ammo came. It makes logistics simpler and cheaper.

OilyPablo
April 11, 2013, 09:32 PM
I put a key ring on the mag release and it speeds it up a bit.

That sounds like an excellent suggestion. Thanks!

grimjaw
April 11, 2013, 09:55 PM
When they were around $130 (circa 2004) they were an awesome buy. Easy to break down and clean, low parts count, reliable and accurate. Crude sights, not the best ergonomics (this is subjective) and the resulting recoil from a relatively powerful cartridge in a blowback are some of the cons. If they hadn't doubled in price and ammo was still cheap, I'd still own the three or four I used to have.

joneb
April 11, 2013, 11:37 PM
The mag release on my Makarov sucks. There is no way around it.
The Soviet's wanted to solve the problem of accidental magazine dumps in combat that happened with the tt-33.

OilyPablo
April 11, 2013, 11:38 PM
The Soviet's wanted to solve the problem of accidental magazine dumps in combat that happened with the tt-33.

That makes sense. I don't have weak fingers and I really need to thumb the thing with force.

Hurryin' Hoosier
April 12, 2013, 12:06 AM
That makes sense. I don't have weak fingers and I really need to thumb the thing with force.
Maybe your thumbs need more exercise, Pablo! ;)

YZ
April 12, 2013, 12:55 AM
The Soviet's wanted to solve the problem of accidental magazine dumps in combat that happened with the tt-33.
Where did you get this information, jibjab?

OilyPablo
April 12, 2013, 06:17 AM
Interestingly this week's glossy Shotgun News has an article on Soviet pistols WWII to present. Some OK pictures, but a little light on details. Not much on the Mak!

Hurryin' Hoosier
April 12, 2013, 01:13 PM
Interestingly this week's glossy Shotgun News has an article on Soviet pistols WWII to present. Some OK pictures, but a little light on details. Not much on the Mak!
The PM wasn't designed until after the war.

OilyPablo
April 12, 2013, 03:40 PM
The PM wasn't designed until after the war.

Exactly. So they covered it, but not in much detail!

Hurryin' Hoosier
April 12, 2013, 05:10 PM
Also. Jetzt verstehe ich.

GyMac
April 12, 2013, 06:10 PM
Where did you get this information, jibjab?
If you check out some of the Russian videos on Youtube you will see that the Makarov design specs called for the magazine release to be situated on the butt, unlike the Tokarev. This addressed a problem the Soviets encountered during WWII with the Tok.

YZ
April 12, 2013, 07:10 PM
How credible is the source? I've read a good deal on the Soviet armaments during WW2. Nowhere was magazine dropping cited as a particular concern with the TT pistols.

We do know that the Tokarev was developed from the Browning prototype, including the American magazine release. During the war the Soviets were impressed with the captured Walthers. Hence the Mak as we know it, a European package. I have not seen the video, but from the past experience with Russian sources, they tend to overstate their own thinking when a foreign example is followed.

Edit. I tried to find that video but no leads so far.

Hurryin' Hoosier
April 12, 2013, 11:27 PM
The Soviets were never big on admitting that they had any "problems" with anything. They just made changes and let it go at that.

YZ
April 13, 2013, 12:34 AM
An astute observation. There is however a lot of material from the numerous Soviet defectors.

Hurryin' Hoosier
April 13, 2013, 12:43 AM
Oh, I know that. Of course, defectors have - by definition - quit toeing the "company line".

By the way, I'm sure that you didn't mean to imply that the heel magazine release was copied from the Walther. As I understand it, only some (very few) pre-war PPs had the heel release. I think that the release on the PM was the result of a big-time brain storm by old Nikolai Fyodorovich.

YZ
April 13, 2013, 01:42 AM
Yes the heel release was from the P38. Makarov did not just copy something. His job was likely similar to Kalashnikov's. (Not much verified to this day) I was only skeptical that the supposed TT problems would first be announced on youtube.

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