More Proof Guns are not an R or D Issue


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zdc1775
April 3, 2013, 11:39 AM
Here in Alabama the Dems in the Legislature proposed a bill that would allow teachers to be armed in schools. It passed both houses and was vetoed by our Rep Governor. The House Republicans failed to override the veto. Now some Dems are calling out the Republicans asking them what they are going to do to keep the rural schools safe.

Here is a link to the local paper's article.

http://www.decaturdaily.com/stories/Area-Dems-to-GOP-If-not-our-bill-then-what,116822

Also this is pretty funny as LEO's and Permit holders are already allowed to carry on school property.

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Double Naught Spy
April 3, 2013, 04:36 PM
This link may work better...
http://timesdaily.com/stories/Lawmakers-challenge-Bentley-others-to-give-up-security,204581

Walkalong
April 4, 2013, 07:38 AM
One party spent a lot of money in the primary to insure their choice for R candidate ran. It worked, and our Governor isn't all that conservative or gun friendly IMHO. Backs up the "guns are not an R or D issue" deal.

We are still in pretty good shape here in Alabama as far as guns go. We could stand some improvement though.

We must concentrate on voting records and strive to defeat anti gun politicians and elect pro gun politicians all over the country. We cannot worry about which party they hail from, only how they vote on gun issues.

Double Naught Spy
April 4, 2013, 08:08 AM
Yes, it is rather refreshing and depressing to see Dems complaining the Rep Governor didn't sign the bill into law.

Meta
April 4, 2013, 09:10 AM
Nobody who is paying attention is saying that R's always stand up for gun rights, but anyone who is paying attention sees that the vast majority, like 99% of the push behind these recent assaults on gun rights is coming from Dems. In liberal states like CT the Dems may drag along a chunk of the Republicans, but it's mostly out of fear that the idiots of the state will hold them accountable if they support "military style assault weapons on the street", few of them would have initiated this nonsense, even after the Sandy Hook tragedy. So, in short, it IS the Dems who push this issue, but it's often the sad reality of politics that many otherwise supporters of gun rights in private will vote publicly to protect their jobs. Sad, very sad.

Steel Horse Rider
April 4, 2013, 09:36 AM
The proper division is Progressive and Conservative because as this incident proves, there are plenty of Republican Progressives who also prefer a neutered population. Anything that hinders the masses from looking to the government for protection is a threat to their continued time at the trough of working peoples earnings.

akv3g4n
April 4, 2013, 09:56 AM
The proper division is Progressive and Conservative because as this incident proves, there are plenty of Republican Progressives who also prefer a neutered population. Anything that hinders the masses from looking to the government for protection is a threat to their continued time at the trough of working peoples earnings.

Agreed. The "progressive" Republicans and Democrats in CT had no problems throwing the 2nd amendment under the bus with this recent legislation.

Godsgunman
April 4, 2013, 09:57 AM
Its never been a R vs D thing as there are subversives in both camps. Its an idealogical thing, freedom vs subject control. One party has a majority that stand for freedom and the other has a majority who is for control. Our voting needs to be done for those who are for freedom regardless if we label ourselves R or D.

mljdeckard
April 4, 2013, 10:01 AM
I concur with post #5 entirely. And in case no one noticed, A-rated Harry reid voted to approve the U.N. gun treaty.

Having said that, yes, I am pleased to see the Ds standing up for gun rights in a case like this.

The problem the dems have, is that they have to strategically appeal to their base. They opened the ranks in 2006-2008 to allow a broader spectrum of people into congress, with more blue-dogs, and they sent the 2009 "No new gun laws" letter to the AG. In 2010, most of them were gone again.

Armymutt
April 4, 2013, 10:21 AM
It's really a Libertarian vs everyone else thing. The problem is that too many people either don't know about the party or are too busy wanting to control another aspect of someone else's life.

JustinJ
April 4, 2013, 10:47 AM
Its never been a R vs D thing as there are subversives in both camps. Its an idealogical thing, freedom vs subject control. One party has a majority that stand for freedom and the other has a majority who is for control. Our voting needs to be done for those who are for freedom regardless if we label ourselves R or D.

There is only one party that stands for freedom and it don't start with a D, and it certainly don't start with an R. Of the big two, one has a majority that stands for certain freedoms and the other has a majority that stands for certain other freedoms.

Gun rights must become a non-partisan issue if they are to endure. There is no doubt that guns are largely associated with the republican party. This alone deters many people, most importantly young people, from developing an interest in firearms or the second amendment to begin with. Many simply won't listen to pro-gun arguments because they turn off immediately as soon as they see that "R". The republican parties future is seriously in question and it alone can not sustain gun rights forever. The gun advocacy groups and media must divorce themselves from non-gun related issues. I've taken a number of people to the range and gun shows that were visibly turned off by the far right wing rhetoric. Video games alone are not going to bring in enough new shooters to preserve the 2nd.

Gaiudo
April 4, 2013, 10:53 AM
*proof*? or *some evidence*?

Anyways, there is a difference between local or state party agendas, and the official planks and agendas of the National Party. To say that there is no difference between the official RNC plank (Pro-2nd Amendment, etc.) and the DNC plank (assault weapon ban, etc.) is just ludicrous. You're going to need a lot more *proof* before you can claim "guns are not an R or D issue".

Steel Horse Rider
April 4, 2013, 11:02 AM
That is absolutely right Justin. We certainly can't have young people embracing the idea of individual achievement and self-sufficiency! Next they will want to learn a trade rather than going to college!!!

CoRoMo
April 4, 2013, 11:52 AM
When any of us read a recent headline that says...

Gun Control Passed Today Along Party Lines

...it is not at all difficult to expand upon those last three words.

Ohio Gun Guy
April 4, 2013, 12:01 PM
.... In some places.

Review the votes for Conneticut, Colorado, and New York.

Yes there are a few R's and a few D's in the opposite column, but the vast majority of D's have been voting for these restrictions and the vast majority of R's have been against.

We had better wake up for the mid terms! if the D's have control of the Senate and House, we'll all be discussing the Federal Bill that is going through that looks like the Conneticut and New York State Bills! :mad:

At the last 2 presidential elections, lots of people, some here said, "He's not after our guns" because he said so. Anyone want to ague that now?

Trung Si
April 4, 2013, 12:31 PM
It's really a Libertarian vs everyone else thing. The problem is that too many people either don't know about the party or are too busy wanting to control another aspect of someone else's life.

Bingo!!!!!:D

JustinJ
April 4, 2013, 01:03 PM
That is absolutely right Justin. We certainly can't have young people embracing the idea of individual achievement and self-sufficiency! Next they will want to learn a trade rather than going to college!!!

And that's exactly the problem i'm talking about. Aside from right wingers who believe anything am radio tells them, most americans realize that notions such as "democrats oppose self reliance" are ignorant nonsense. So you say something like that to people who realize education is a good thing and they will listen to nothing else you have to say. I'm not saying don't spout off your political views. I'm just saying don't convolute them with firearms related issues.

Steel Horse Rider
April 4, 2013, 01:37 PM
And that differs from your position of superiority how?

Solo
April 4, 2013, 01:49 PM
That is absolutely right Justin. We certainly can't have young people embracing the idea of individual achievement and self-sufficiency! Next they will want to learn a trade rather than going to college!!!
I went to college. :scrutiny:

I'm currently in a Ph.D program for organic chemistry seeking to go into the chemical industry.

Did I do something wrong with my life? :neener:

Steel Horse Rider
April 4, 2013, 02:12 PM
Absolutely not! But the prevailing thought in academia and the political realm seems to be that if you don't go to college then you are a failure.....

JustinJ
April 4, 2013, 02:34 PM
And that differs from your position of superiority how?

What does that even mean?

Absolutely not! But the prevailing thought in academia and the political realm seems to be that if you don't go to college then you are a failure.....

Ugh. And you know the prevailing thought in academia on the subject how exactly? Equating 'encouragement of people to get an education' to 'calling those without a failure' is absurd.

razorback2003
April 4, 2013, 02:46 PM
I'm afraid the recent round of gun laws the past 20 years has been pushed by Democrats for the most part. Only a few Democrats from rural states now really support gun rights.

Even Hughes was put in by a largely Democratic Congress, NFA, and GCA 68 by Dem Congress and presidents.

zdc1775
April 4, 2013, 03:12 PM
Wasn't trying to say that the majority of Dems didn't support gun control. Just that it isn't as cut and dry and some would make you think. Truth be told I personally think that all professional politicians are liars and want to ban all guns so that they can have total control. One party is just more direct about it.

Ohio Gun Guy
April 4, 2013, 03:27 PM
For those of you looking for more information on how to write your representatives... I posted this in another similar thread. Hope it helps some of us do this (Save the links and keep up the pressure!)

First go to the US Post Office site and confirm your zip code and 4 digit extension: https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookupAction!input.action

Then go to the Senate Web Site: http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

The House Web Site:
http://www.house.gov/representatives/

Then, use Google find your State Legislative Bodies and Send Correspondence to your state reps. They all use a Web Based e-mail system. All you typically need is your zip code (With extension), a valid e-mail address, name address, etc.
I usually type up a letter in word, copy it then customize it for each representative. (Some are NRA members, or some have recently voted on something, etc.)

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