Colrado closing public land to shooting


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jw2atech
April 4, 2013, 03:14 PM
Here is a link posted by the NRA-ILA today: http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2013/4/colorado-plan-for-federal-lands-in-grand-junction-area-will-close-lands-to-recreational-shooting.aspx

If you live Colorado please call the Colorado office Bureau of Land Management http://www.blm.gov/co/st/en/BLM_Information/directory.html, be polite & be courteous, ask them why they are closing the land to shooters & let them know that this land belongs to all Americans, you're not happy with this decision and that we all have a say what our land can & cannot be used for.

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hso
April 4, 2013, 04:54 PM
Actually it isn't CO closing these acres off from shooting, but the federal BLM and they are proposing closing 1-5% of the over a million acres to shooting in the new land use study.

mljdeckard
April 4, 2013, 04:56 PM
(This is actually pretty routine.)

PabloJ
April 4, 2013, 05:01 PM
Reason>>>>Less opportunity will mean fewer shooters will take up the sport or folks who own and use guns. When only wealthy people enjoy the sport it will be easier to do away with.

hso
April 4, 2013, 05:08 PM
You have to understand that this issue comes up from time to time and that the BLM decides to close areas to hunting and shooting and recreational vehicle use because of environmental and cultural feature damage or because the uses are in conflict (not a good idea to let recreational vehicle trail users go through range areas, but popular range areas pop up because they can be reached most easily). Sometimes they close areas that are particularly easy to get to because of overuse or abuse and sometimes because new offsite development has encroached on the margins of the public land and introduced safety hazards that didn't exist before.

The issues can be complex and require us to read the reports and options and their basis before we make blanket condemnations.

mokin
April 4, 2013, 07:19 PM
I feel your pain Arbo. Stu Fraser, Mayor of Telluride is a member of Bloomberg's group. I'm not trying to disagree with you, but ten years ago when I lived in Telluride, Sheriff Masters issued A LOT of concealed carry permits. I don't think all of those went to west end residents. More likely, many of the gun owners out this way just don't feel the need to get out and vote or contact public officials/agencies.

TimboKhan
April 9, 2013, 12:46 AM
Occasionally there are threats to close down parts of the Pawnee National Grasslands down to shooters, and occasionally that does in fact happen. To be truthful, a lot of shooters are horrible stewards of the land itself. Where I used to shoot at Pawnee there are always lots of people, and most of them don't pick up anything and will shoot anything. Although I am not immediately aware of any major accidents, I have watched some pretty unsafe behavior out there as well. Still, most of it boils down to people turning the grasslands into a dump, and its awfully hard to defend. BLM isn't perfect, but often we don't see the cumulative damage that is caused by the folks that use the land whereas they do.

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Jim K
April 9, 2013, 12:47 AM
Pablo J,

That is not the way it works. When only the wealthy can own guns or hunt, there is no problem, since they are part of the "ruling class" and can be trusted with guns. It is the unwashed peasantry who must be disarmed lest we revolt against those who claim the divine right to rule.

Jim

leadcounsel
April 9, 2013, 12:58 PM
When I lived in Colorado I would go to shoot at Pawnee, east of Ft. Collins.

It would be a shame it if were permanently closed. However after seeing the absolute trash that people left behind there, I would not be surprised if it had something to do with that.

hso
April 9, 2013, 02:07 PM
Deleted complaints about limitations on prospecting and vehicle use will get the tread permanently shut down.
This needs to get back on track an stay focused on the shooting use issue or it will be closed.

Njal Thorgeirsson
April 9, 2013, 03:45 PM
When I lived in Colorado I would go to shoot at Pawnee, east of Ft. Collins.

It would be a shame it if were permanently closed. However after seeing the absolute trash that people left behind there, I would not be surprised if it had something to do with that.

I shoot at Pawnee at least once a month, and yes, people always leave garbage out there. I can't understand why these people feel so inclined to shoot up non-biodegradable stuff (plastic, glass bottles, the broken DVD player etc). There are regulations in place (I believe there is a substantial fine for shooting anything but manufactured steel, paper, or biodegradable clays), but they certainly don't enforce these regulations. I am in full support of strict regulations and enforcement as to what one can and can't shoot, because I've personally witnessed the trash people leave out there. I do always try to spend a couple minutes cleaning up other people's garbage when I'm done shooting.

And honestly, a small closure isn't going to prevent anyone from shooting.

X-Rap
April 9, 2013, 04:21 PM
Did the front range shooting closures of public land on the front range last summer open in the fall?

JRH6856
April 9, 2013, 04:59 PM
Not everything the government does is for the purpose of gun control. :rolleyes:

Of course, that doesn't stop anyone from trying to exploit any issue to the benefit of their special interest.

X-Rap
April 9, 2013, 05:07 PM
Not everything the government does is for the purpose of gun control.


Not always gun control but control none the less.

JRH6856
April 9, 2013, 05:40 PM
Not always gun control but control none the less.

What we are experiencing is a difference of opinion as to the purpose of the social contract.

It is the difference between Hobbes and Locke. For Hobbes the purpose of government is to suppress liberty in order to protect man from himself. For Locke, the purpose of government is to protect man from the tyranny of others so he can exercise his liberties.

hso
April 9, 2013, 11:14 PM
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