Alabama gun bill


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41
April 5, 2013, 11:46 AM
A bill just passed the senate that has some improvements to our gun laws in it. I think that having to have a permit to carry a gun in your vehicle is stupid, but its a step in the right direction. It also makes it illegal for an employer to tell you that you can't have a firearm in your car in the parking lot, extends CHL's to 5 years instead of 1, extends castle doctrine to businesses, and reiterates that open carry is legal in the state.


http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/04/alabama_senate_passes_bill_all_1.html#incart_m-rpt-2

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mdauben
April 5, 2013, 02:02 PM
I think that having to have a permit to carry a gun in your vehicle is stupid, but its a step in the right direction.
That's stupid! The bill as originally submitted was supposed to remove the requirement to have a permit to transport a gun. I guess AL has its share of idiot legislators, too. :mad:

What about the change from may to shall issue? What about the change from 1-year CC permits to multi-year CC permits? The article doesn't seem to say anything about those elements of the original bill. :confused:

DeepSouth
April 5, 2013, 02:51 PM
Alabama: Omnibus Firearms Bill Sails Through the Senate

Yesterday, NRA-supported Senate Bill 286 was debated on the Senate floor for a few hours. After consideration and votes on multiple amendments, this omnibus pro-gun legislation passed with overwhelming support by a 28 to 5 vote. This pro-gun legislation will now go to the state House of Representatives where it may face some challenges. Now is the time to contact your state Representative and urge him or her to support this important legislation.

The NRA thanks the sponsors of SB 286, state senators Scott Beason (R-17) and Roger Bedford (D-6), for their hard and successful work on this bill. The NRA also thanks the state senators who voted in support of this pro-Second Amendment measure. While this legislation made it through the Senate, there is much work to be done in the state House. It is critical that you make your voice heard! Please contact your state Representative and ask him or her to support SB 286. Contact information for your state legislator can be found here.

SB 286 seeks to restore and protect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and sportsmen in Alabama by addressing the following issues:

No employer may prohibit the otherwise lawful possession, transportation or storage of firearms or ammunition that is kept out of sight within a locked or attended private vehicle of an invitee who is otherwise permitted to operate or park that vehicle on the property. This would allow employees to carry a firearm during their commute to and from work.
Creates a “car carry permit” that will be free of charge and good for life. Currently, in order to transport a handgun in a vehicle, one must be in possession of a pistol permit.
Shifts the current “May Issue” concealed carry permit system to a “Shall Issue” permit system and requires that a sheriff must issue or deny the carry permit within thirty days. Should someone be denied a permit, a written denial must be provided and that applicant would have an opportunity to appear before an appeals panel.
A permit to carry a concealed pistol shall be good for one to five years (to be decided by the applicant seeking the carry permit).
Requires sheriffs to use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to conduct a background check on concealed pistol permit applicants.
Allows for all other valid state-issued permits to carry a concealed firearm to be recognized in Alabama.
Strengthens Alabama’s firearms preemption statute by reserving for the state legislature complete control over regulation and policy relating to firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories in order to ensure that such regulation is applied uniformly throughout the state.
Extends the current Castle Doctrine to include places of business to ensure the right of self-defense does not end when you enter your business.

mdauben
April 5, 2013, 03:13 PM
Looking at the text of the final Bill, it could be better but I think its still a win overall. I still maintain the "car permit" is a stupid idea and nothing but wasteful and meaningless paperwork for the state and the residents. The "shall issue" change is good, but the time period for one to five years "to be decided by the applicant seeking the carry permit" has me scratching my head. Why would anyone opt for anything but five years???

DeepSouth
April 5, 2013, 03:24 PM
Most of this has been proposed and shot down in the last few years. It's only now that the NRA has got behind it and now it lookslike a good possibility of it passing all the way. I think I'll send them an apperation letter with a bonus check.

We have them to thank for this, I also agree the car permit seems kind of... Silly. But I suppose it's better than what we have now.






Excuse spelling posted via iPhone.

docnyt
April 5, 2013, 03:50 PM
Hey progress is progress. Hopefully we can sneak in open carry down the road (not that I want to open carry). The car permit thing does seem stupid at first but it will at least decriminalize those without a pistol permit who bring a firearm to work. Shall issue is another step in the right direction.

mdauben
April 5, 2013, 04:30 PM
Hopefully we can sneak in open carry down the road (not that I want to open carry).
I thought open carry was already legal in AL? According to the article:

"[Senator] Beason said the bill would also clarify what he said is the spirit of current Alabama law as an "open carry" state. "From the very start I've said all this bill is really setting out to do was to clarify what was already in practice," Beason said."
I have certainly seen people open carrying in AL who were not wearing LEO uniforms. Looking at the email I got from NRA-ILA about this news, it doesn't say anything about open carry, though. :confused:

RIsom
April 5, 2013, 04:59 PM
Open carry is legal already based on the fact that there are no laws against it, but this bill specifically mentions it as being legal and states that openly carrying a holsterered firearm does not constitute disorderly conduct. DC is the "catch-all" that is occasionally used to arrest an OC'er when an officer doesn't like OC.

mdauben
April 5, 2013, 05:34 PM
Open carry is legal already based on the fact that there are no laws against it, but this bill specifically mentions it as being legal and states that openly carrying a holsterered firearm does not constitute disorderly conduct. DC is the "catch-all" that is occasionally used to arrest an OC'er when an officer doesn't like OC.
That's good, then. I have not read the actual bill, just the two news articles. I'm not really interested in OC either, but I like the fact that its legal, so I don't need to worry about accidently "flashing" when I bend over or the wind blows my cover garment up. I have heard of people getting harrassed or even arrested for that in some states.

Another thing in that article linked in the first post puzzles me:

-- Allows owners of property open to the public to post adequate notice prohibiting firearms and have violators, including licensed carriers, arrested for trespassing if the individual refuses to leave when asked in the presence of a law enforcement agent.
I thought this was already the case? "No Gun" signs in AL don't have the force of law, so all they can do now is ask you to leave and call the cops if you don't. What changed?

docnyt
April 5, 2013, 05:38 PM
As far as open carry being legal - yeah the only official document we have is an ancient attorney general statement that does not state it is illegal. Nothing specifically states it is legal thus far. I do appreciate living here and how most representatives and most folk in general are either pro-gun or at least neutral.

orionengnr
April 5, 2013, 07:33 PM
Great job Alabama--keep it up and I may have to retire there.
I have an old friend just a bit up the road from Gulf Shores and visit when I can. It's definitely on my top 10 list of retirement states, and looking better all the time.

Best regards from your neighbor three states west...you know, the state that is farther south than any other. ;) (Bet y'all hate it when someone says that. All the love. :))

Honestly, I'm just a bit envious--we still can't get Open Carry. Or Campus Carry. And I can't walk into the local Sheriff's office and walk out ten minutes later with a carry permit, as Bob does. And IIRC, it is only $10 a year--is that still true? Ours recently went from 4 years to 5, but is still about $140 for the state plus a mandatory training class that is "market-priced".
And we won't even talk about college football. :(

Press on, Alabama brethren.

DeepSouth
April 5, 2013, 08:50 PM
What about the change from 1-year CC permits to multi-year CC permits? The article doesn't seem to say anything about those elements of the original bill.


Just thought of something. What is this new ccp going to cost.
They may be doing it on a yearly basis, which would explain the ability to only do 1 year. Say if its 50$ a year a lot of people would rather come up 50$ instead of 250$. Hope permit prices aren't about to double. :what:

Don't know this to be the case but it is the only logical reason for the optional length.

If any one actually knows what their talking about (unlike me lol) please do tell.

41
April 5, 2013, 08:56 PM
Right now each sherrif sets his own price so I guess that it will still be up to them on how much to charge

zdc1775
April 6, 2013, 08:17 AM
The article I was reading yesterday set the max price as $50 for five years. Will try to find it.

ETA: Well I was kind of right. This article says that the five year is 50 and existing fees would be grandfathered in.

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_story/22161739/article-Broad-gun-rights-bill-passes-Alabama-Senate?instance=home_news

JERRY
April 6, 2013, 08:41 AM
believe it or not Alabama is a may issue state, yet far more gun friendly than some shall issue states.......

docnyt
April 6, 2013, 11:33 AM
I wish there was a lifetime option. Does anyone willingly give up a CC permit anyway?

DeepSouth
April 6, 2013, 01:06 PM
The article I was reading yesterday set the max price as $50 for five years. Will try to find it.

ETA: Well I was kind of right. This article says that the five year is 50 and existing fees would be grandfathered in.

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/ful...ance=home_news



Thanks for that. Sounds good.

docnyt
April 17, 2013, 05:47 PM
Just wanted to update the thread. NRA-ILA sent an email with convenient contact information.

"While a hearing has not been scheduled for Senate Bill 286, please contact members of the House Commerce and Small Business Committee and respectfully urge them to support SB 286."

House Commerce and Small Business Committee:

Representative Jack Williams (Chairman)
(205) 682-8019
jack@jackwilliams.org

Representative Barry Moore (Vice-Chairman)
(334) 393-4264
barry@barrymooreindustries.com

Representative Craig Ford (Ranking Minority Member)
(256) 413-7611

Representative Richard Baughn
(800) 877-7634
rgbups@yahoo.com

Representative Mack Butler
(334) 242-7446
mack.butler@alhouse.gov

Representative David Colston
(334) 242-7535
asthp20@yahoo.com

Representative Kurt Wallace
(334) 242-7772
representativewallace@gmail.com

Representative April Weaver
(205) 620-6610

Representative Pebblin Warren
(334) 242-7734
tiger9127@bellsouth.net

RetiredUSNChief
April 17, 2013, 06:06 PM
Good.

Soon Alabama will be added to the list which accepts my SC permit.

JERRY
April 17, 2013, 07:24 PM
Good.

Soon Alabama will be added to the list which accepts my SC permit.

yet SC is real chinsy on who they honor....?

RetiredUSNChief
April 18, 2013, 12:32 AM
yet SC is real chinsy on who they honor....?

Apparently so.

I'm sure there are some politics in the process, but it would appear that any given state in general accepts the permits of other states that have similar requirements (or requirements that exceed their own) to obtain concealed carry permits.

For example, my home state of Indiana accepts my South Carolina CWP. However, South Carolina does not accept Indiana's. To get a permit in Indiana, it's pretty much a paperwork shuffle. South Carolina, however, requires an 8 hour CWP course as well.

I'm sure there are exceptions to this that don't make much sense, but that seems to be the trend in the examples I've researched on this subject.

Some info on this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States#Reciprocity



However, it's also worth noting the laws concerning concealed carry as well as reciprocity have evolved quite a bit in the last few decades...and for the better.

:):)

LAL357
April 19, 2013, 11:22 PM
i can understand the car carry permit at my work they wont let you have a gun in your car we do it any since most like myself have a cc permit. with this new permit all they could do is not let us park in thier lot. i now take home a company truck so i can have one in the thier vehicle. i think most of thier thinking was from a old supervisor we had that was so worried about his guns getting stolen while at work he kept them all in his truck.
50 for 5 years sounds good right now i pay 20 a year in elmore county they are really quick about renewals this year i mailed them my card with a check and got my permit in the mail the next week.

Bhamrichard
April 19, 2013, 11:45 PM
i can understand the car carry permit at my work they wont let you have a gun in your car we do it any since most like myself have a cc permit. with this new permit all they could do is not let us park in thier lot.

No you misunderstand.. The car carry permit is for those that don't specifically have a Concealed Carry permit, and nothing more. One other facet of the law would prevent your employer saying that you could not have a firearm, locked, and not visible, in your vehicle on there property.

velojym
April 20, 2013, 12:31 AM
Fortunately for me, my employer (an IT/managed services/internet service provider) has a "guns welcome" sign on the wall behind the owner's desk. On slow days, we'll sit in the conference room and talk guns.
As for there not being any law *against* open carry... I figure, in a supposedly "free" country, everything's legal unless it's specifically banned. It's in the worst tyrannical places that the opposite becomes true, then, of course, you run into the old rule that if something ain't mandatory, then it's illegal.
I'm not saying that calling something "law" makes it right... far from it. Most laws are, at best, unjust. However, little things such as this do tend to swing things back into the right general direction, if only a bit.
I haven't run into any problems keeping my Bama permit up, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to do it every year.

LAL357
April 20, 2013, 06:29 AM
no i understood it i was just saying myself and some other co-workers already have our cc permits so we carried them in our car/truck anyway. my company doesnt care if you have a cc or not they dont want any of us to have a gun in our car parked on thier property. with this new law that is hopefully going to pass and get signed if someone who doesnt have a cc (why they dont wont have one already) can go this route and get a ar carry permit.

RetiredUSNChief
April 20, 2013, 06:39 AM
i now take home a company truck so i can have one in the thier vehicle. i think most of thier thinking was from a old supervisor we had that was so worried about his guns getting stolen while at work he kept them all in his truck.

You need to rethink this. A company truck is not in the same category as a company parking lot. I don't think there is a state in the union in which a company cannot legally say "you cannot have a privately owned firearm in a company vehicle or in company buildings". This includes carrying it on your person with a CWP while in a company vehicle or company building.

There are states where it is legal to have a firearm in your vehicle while in a company parking lot. But even then, those states recognize the right of a business to exclude firearms from other company grounds, buildings, and property. Texas comes to mind, here.

LAL357
April 20, 2013, 09:18 AM
i see it should have read that i cannot carry one anymore my typo .....ok lets back up at first i drove me own personal vehicle to work and kept a pistol in it was told no guns allowed on company property fast forward to now/today now i drive a company truck take it home park it in front of the house no guns of any kind in it or allowed. some of my fellow works still drive thier personal vehicle to work then get in a company truck. thier pistols stay in thier personal vehicle when they park them to get into the company trucks. what cuased the no guns allowed rule at work was when my former supervisor who took a company vehicle home kept all his guns in it .

what i was trying to say is with the new car carry permit they will be able to keep one in thier cars/trucks concealed in our company parking lot ... the only thing thye could do is have them park somewhere off the property.

RetiredUSNChief
April 20, 2013, 05:37 PM
Gotcha!

:)

Bhamrichard
April 22, 2013, 07:47 PM
Tomorrow, April 23, the House Commerce and Small Business Committee will hold an important public hearing on Senate Bill 286, a critical omnibus firearms bill.

If you are able, please attend this public hearing to support SB 286 at 10:00 a.m. in Room 418 of Alabama State House Building.

Sponsored by state Senators Scott Beason (R-17) and Roger Bedford (D-6), SB 286 seeks to restore and protect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and sportsmen in Alabama by reforming the state gun laws in the following ways:

No employer may prohibit the otherwise lawful possession, transportation or storage of firearms or ammunition that is kept out of sight within a locked or attended private vehicle of an invitee who is otherwise permitted to operate or park that vehicle on the property. This would allow employees to carry a firearm during their commute to and from work.

Creates a “car carry permit” that will be free of charge and good for life. Currently, in order to transport a handgun in a vehicle, one must be in possession of a pistol permit.

Shifts the current “May Issue” concealed carry permit system to a “Shall Issue” permit system and requires that a sheriff must issue or deny the carry permit within thirty days. Should someone be denied a permit, a written denial must be provided and that applicant would have an opportunity to appear before an appeals panel.

A permit to carry a concealed pistol shall be good for one to five years (to be decided by the applicant seeking the carry permit).

Requires sheriffs to use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to conduct a background check on concealed pistol permit applicants.

Allows for all other valid state-issued permits to carry a concealed firearm to be recognized in Alabama.

Strengthens Alabama’s firearms preemption statute by reserving for the state legislature complete control over regulation and policy relating to firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories in order to ensure that such regulation is applied uniformly throughout the state.

Extends the current Castle Doctrine to include places of business to ensure the right of self-defense does not end when you enter your business.

If you cannot attend this public hearing, please contact members of the House Commerce and Small Business Committee and respectfully urge them to support SB 286.

House Commerce and Small Business Committee:

Representative Jack Williams (Chairman)
(205) 682-8019
jack@jackwilliams.org

Representative Barry Moore (Vice-Chairman)
(334) 393-4264
barry@barrymooreindustries.com

Representative Craig Ford (Ranking Minority Member)
(256) 413-7611

Representative Richard Baughn
(800) 877-7634
rgbups@yahoo.com

Representative Mack Butler
(334) 242-7446
mack.butler@alhouse.gov

Representative David Colston
(334) 242-7535
asthp20@yahoo.com

Representative Kurt Wallace
(334) 242-7772
representativewallace@gmail.com

Representative April Weaver
(205) 620-6610

Representative Pebblin Warren
(334) 242-7734
tiger9127@bellsouth.net

docnyt
April 22, 2013, 08:59 PM
I was about to post this^^^. I may be able to attend but how exactly does one show support at a public hearing?

jimmyraythomason
April 27, 2013, 01:49 PM
SB-286 passed the House Small Business and Commerce Committee 6-2.http://mikehubbard.com/hubbard-henry-announce-compromise-version-of-omnibus-bill/

razorback2003
April 27, 2013, 04:31 PM
YOu guys in AL have a good system that I wish we had in TN. We can't carry in schools legally on our permit, but you can.

Bhamrichard
April 27, 2013, 06:42 PM
Overall the 'substitute' voted out of committee is a positive, but it really distorts the first bill as it was introduced. Assuming it passes the house, the house and senate versions will have to be re-negotiated on, as they don't match each other.

ol' dixie
April 30, 2013, 08:19 PM
SB 286 is an important pro-gun, pro-self-defense bill currently before the Alabama Legislature.

Please call and e-mail your Alabama Representatives and Senators and tell them you want them to vote "yes" on SB 286.

The bill is complicated, but it is a good one and I support it.

There are only four legislative days left in this session. Your action tonight or tomorrow just might make the difference.

Thanks,

Ol’ Dixie

From the NRA earlier today:

http://nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/4/alabama-house-of-representatives-scheduled-to-consider-omnibus-pro-gun-legislation-this-thursday.aspx

Alabama: House of Representatives Scheduled to Consider Omnibus Pro-Gun Legislation this Thursday

Posted on April 30, 2013

This Thursday, May 2, the Alabama House of Representatives is scheduled to consider Senate Bill 286. SB 286 recently passed in the House Commerce and Small Business Committee by a 6 to 2 vote. State Representative Ed Henry (R-9) offered a substitute for Senate Bill 286 in committee, and this will be the version of this bill that will be considered on the floor of the Alabama House of Representatives this Thursday.

From the drafting and discussions of SB 286, its passage in the Senate, and as it comes to the House floor this Thursday, your NRA has been involved since day one.

There has been some misinformation spread about SB 286. While not perfect, SB 286 is a step in the right direction for the law-abiding gun owners of Alabama and residents of other states traveling to Alabama. Please contact your state Representative TODAY and respectfully urge him or her to support SB 286. Contact information for your state Representative can be found here.

http://www.legislature.state.al.us/

The language that was substituted in Senate Bill 286 will continue to restore and protect the rights of responsible gun owners and sportsmen in Alabama by reforming the state gun laws in the following ways:

1. Allows those who possess a valid Alabama pistol permit to keep firearms stored in their vehicle while at work, as well as allowing those who possess a valid Alabama hunting license to store an unloaded rifle or shotgun in their vehicle while at work.
2. Allows for the transportation of a handgun without an Alabama pistol permit as long as the handgun is unloaded, locked in a container and out of reach of the driver or passenger.
3 Shifts the current “May Issue” concealed carry permit system to a “Shall Issue” permit system and requires that a sheriff must issue or deny the carry permit within thirty days. Should someone be denied a permit, a written denial must be provided and that applicant would have an opportunity to appeal the denial.
4. A permit to carry a concealed pistol shall be good for one to five years (to be decided by the applicant seeking the carry permit).
5. Requires sheriffs to use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to conduct a background check on concealed pistol permit applicants.
6. Allows for all other valid state-issued permits to carry a concealed firearm to be recognized in Alabama.
7 Strengthens Alabama’s firearms preemption statute by reserving for the state legislature complete control over regulation and policy relating to firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories in order to ensure that such regulation is applied uniformly throughout the state.
8. Extends the current Castle Doctrine to include places of business to ensure the right of self-defense does not end when you enter your business.

Bhamrichard
May 3, 2013, 06:08 PM
The Alabama House passed the substitute bill by a wide margin. That version of the legislation will now have to go over to the Senate to vote on this version. If it passes, it will be sent to the Governor to sign, or not. If it does NOT pass, it will be put back into committee in the Senate.

Bob_P
May 4, 2013, 10:08 PM
Read this in the B'ham News today:

<excerpted, emphasis added>

"The bill, if signed into law, would:

-- Block employers from prohibiting employees from bringing guns into workplace parking lots provided the firearm is out of sight and the car is locked. A concealed carry permit would be required for pistols. A shotgun or hunting rifle, could only be carried during hunting season, and would require a valid hunting license. Employees would have to meet other requirements."


This has got to be an error in reporting. Anyone know about this?

Bhamrichard
May 5, 2013, 12:21 AM
This has got to be an error in reporting. Anyone know about this?

IANAL, but that does NOT appear to be an error. Your employer would be bared from preventing you from having a rifle or shotgun in your vehicle, during hunting season, with a valid hunting permit.

This section supposedly only applies to the "parking lot" provision of the bill.

mdauben
May 5, 2013, 12:51 AM
pThis has got to be an error in reporting. Anyone know about this?
That does not match the previously language of that provision of the bill. Below is from the NRA-ILA announcement.


Allows those who possess a valid Alabama pistol permit to keep firearms stored in their vehicle while at work, as well as allowing those who possess a valid Alabama hunting license to store an unloaded rifle or shotgun in their vehicle while at work.
Personally, I'd put more faith in the accuracy on the NRA-ILA than some newspaper. That said I was not able to find a copy of the actual text of the bill so it's possible that was a last minute change.

Sent from my KFJWI using Tapatalk HD

tnxdshooter
May 5, 2013, 05:12 AM
I read where they also passed one like 26-4 that said if the federal government passes any laws to infringe on the 2A that Alabama will consider them null and void and will not enforce them.

Sent from my mind using ninja telepathy.

DeepSouth
May 20, 2013, 05:50 PM
Just in from a NRA email






Alabama: State House Approves Critical Omnibus Firearms Bill, Goes to Governor for his Approval
Contact Governor Bentley TODAY and ask him to sign Senate Bill 286 into law

Today, the Alabama House of Representatives accepted the conference committee report for Senate Bill 286 by a 73-28 vote. This measure now goes to Governor Robert Bentley (R) for his approval. While not perfect, SB 286 is an important step in the right direction for the law-abiding gun owners in Alabama and residents of other states traveling to and through Alabama. Therefore, it is critical you contact Governor Bentley TODAY and respectfully ask him to sign Senate Bill 286 into law.

Governor Robert Bentley:

(334) 242-7100

Click here to send an email

Sponsored by state Senators Scott Beason (R-17) and Roger Bedford (D-6) and state Representative Ed Henry (R-9), SB 286, if signed into law, will continue to restore and protect the rights of responsible gun owners and sportsmen in Alabama by reforming the state gun laws in the following ways:
Allows those who possess a valid Alabama pistol permit to keep firearms stored in their vehicle while at work, as well as allowing those who possess a valid Alabama hunting license to store an unloaded rifle or shotgun in their vehicle while at work.Allows transportation of a handgun in a vehicle without an Alabama pistol permit as long as the handgun is unloaded, locked in a container and out of reach of the driver or passenger.
Shifts the current “May Issue” concealed carry permit system to a “Shall Issue” permit system and requires that a sheriff must issue or deny the carry permit within thirty days. Should someone be denied a permit, a written denial must be provided and that applicant would have an opportunity to appeal the denial.
A permit to carry a concealed pistol shall be good for one to five years (to be decided by the applicant seeking the carry permit).
Requires sheriffs to use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to conduct a background check on concealed pistol permit applicants.
Allows for all other valid state-issued permits to carry a concealed firearm to be recognized in Alabama.
Strengthens Alabama’s firearms preemption statute by reserving for the state legislature complete control over regulation and policy relating to firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories in order to ensure that such regulation is applied uniformly throughout the state.
Extends the current Castle Doctrine to include places of business to ensure the right of self-defense does not end when you enter your business.

CZ 75 BD
May 20, 2013, 05:55 PM
Whoo hoo! We did it. That's the good news. The bad news is that pistol permit prices will go up, by how much, who knows. I think I may have renewed my last $7.50 permit.

DeepSouth
May 20, 2013, 08:36 PM
50$ for 5 years is what they have been saying. At on time they were going to allow exceptions for the few counties that are currently below that price, but I don't know if that made it into the final bill. But the $50 for five years is still in there to the best of my knowledge.

I currently pay $20 a year, mine will obviously go down.

Telekinesis
May 20, 2013, 09:58 PM
I think $50 for 5 years is fine considering I've been paying $10 for the one year license anyway ($7.50+2.50 to get it laminated).

Does anyone know when the law will become effective? I read through the bill but must have missed it. And will the new CCW (now that it uses NICS) be allowed to serve as an exemption to the background check while buying guns? It would be helpful if NICS gets backed up again.

It also looks like there was no mention of age for the CCW permit in the bill which should mean that we are now "shall issue" to anyone over 18!

docnyt
May 21, 2013, 03:05 PM
Didn't see anything about the age requirement either. We'll probably see a more definite enactment date when Bentley signs it.

Bhamrichard
May 22, 2013, 05:37 PM
I'm not sure if this is good news or not.. This new law ADDS prohibited places that we did not have before. I'll be reading over the full law tonight and trying to make some sense of it. But from my admittedly very brief looking at it, I think the NRA gave away some stupid things in order to get this passed..

n Monday, the Alabama Legislature adjourned sine die. Gun owners and sportsmen earned a major victory with the passage of an omnibus firearms bill, Senate Bill 286. This NRA-supported bill was signed into law yesterday by Governor Robert Bentley (R) and will take effect on August 1.

The NRA thanks state lawmakers who voted for SB 286, Governor Bentley for signing it into law and all NRA members who contacted their state legislators in support of this reform. Special thanks goes to SB 286’s sponsors, state Senators Scott Beason (R-17) and Roger Bedford (D-6) and state Representative Ed Henry (R-9) for all of their hard work to protect and restore Second Amendment rights of all Alabama residents.

Senate Bill 286 will protect and restore your Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Alabama by reforming the state gun laws in the following ways:

Allows those who possess a valid Alabama pistol permit to keep firearms stored in their vehicle while at work, as well as allowing those who possess a valid Alabama hunting license to store an unloaded rifle or shotgun used in their vehicle while at work.

Allows transportation of a handgun in a vehicle without an Alabama pistol permit as long as the handgun is unloaded, locked in a container and out of reach of the driver or passenger.

Shifts the current “May Issue” concealed carry permit system to a “Shall Issue” permit system and requires that a sheriff must issue or deny the carry permit within thirty days. Should someone be denied a permit, a written denial must be provided and that applicant would have an opportunity to appeal the denial.
A permit to carry a concealed pistol shall be good for one to five years (to be decided by the applicant seeking the carry permit).

Requires sheriffs to use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to conduct a background check on concealed pistol permit applicants.

Allows for all other valid state-issued permits to carry a concealed firearm to be recognized in Alabama.

Strengthens Alabama’s firearms preemption statute by reserving for the state legislature complete control over regulation and policy relating to firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories in order to ensure that such regulation is applied uniformly throughout the state.

Extends the current Castle Doctrine to include places of business to ensure the right of self-defense does not end when you enter your business.

mdauben
May 23, 2013, 12:40 AM
I'm not sure if this is good news or not.. This new law ADDS prohibited places that we did not have before. I'll be reading over the full law tonight and trying to make some sense of it. But from my admittedly very brief looking at it, I think the NRA gave away some stupid things in order to get this passed.
Can you elaborate on this? I have seen nothing in any descriptions of the bill indicating that any change to prohibited places was involved.


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TenDriver
May 23, 2013, 08:54 AM
I haven't seen it either. I just don't have the attention span to sort through the text of the bill. Need a summary.

My initial take was that you can't open carry in certain places but it didn't apply to carrying concealed (sporting events). I could very well be wrong though.

zdc1775
May 23, 2013, 09:35 AM
I haven't been able to read through it in its entirety but it looks like open carry was added back and that the fees for permits will be the current amounts in local ordinance times the number of years. Also looks like sporting events are prohibited unless you have a permit.
Here is a link to the latest version I can find
http://legiscan.com/AL/text/SB286

Bhamrichard
May 23, 2013, 09:12 PM
Can you elaborate on this? I have seen nothing in any descriptions of the bill indicating that any change to prohibited places was involved.

Sure.. Courthouses, courthouse annex's, anywhere a city council is currently meeting, this makes all municipal buildings off limits while the council, or county commission is in session, any place that has a metal detector, turnstile, or other such device prior to entry.

I know Courthouses were generally previously verbotin, but that was by order of the head judge of the facility, at least here in Jefferson County. It was NOT part of the law.. Now it is..

Full section text:

Section 6. (a) In addition to any other place limited or prohibited by state or federal law, a person, including a person with a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85, Code of
Alabama 1975, may not knowingly possess or carry a firearm in
any of the following places without the express permission of
a person or entity with authority over the premises:

(1) Inside the building of a police, sheriff, or highway patrol station.

(2) Inside or on the premises of a prison, jail, halfway house, community corrections facility, or other detention facility for those who have been charged with or convicted of a criminal or juvenile offense.

(3) Inside or on the premises of a facility which provides inpatient or custodial care of those with psychiatric, mental, or emotional disorders.

(4) Inside a courthouse, courthouse annex, a building in which a District Attorney's office is located, or a building in which a county commission or city council is currently having a regularly scheduled or specially called
meeting.

(5) Inside any facility hosting an athletic event not related to or involving firearms which is sponsored by a private or public elementary or secondary school or any private or public institution of postsecondary education,
unless the person has a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85.

(6) Inside any facility hosting a professional athletic event not related to or involving firearms, unless the person has a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85.

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection

(a), a person, including a person with a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85, Code of Alabama 1975, may not, without the express permission of a person or entity with authority over the premises, knowingly possess or carry a firearm inside any building or facility to which access of unauthorized persons and
prohibited articles is limited during normal hours of operation by the continuous posting of guards and the use of other security features, including, but not limited to, magnetometers, key cards, biometric screening devices, or turnstiles or other physical barriers

So now we have new prohibited areas, not previously seen in Alabama. Mostly because the NRA wanted the parking lot provision..

Bhamrichard
May 23, 2013, 09:15 PM
My initial take was that you can't open carry in certain places but it didn't apply to carrying concealed (sporting events). I could very well be wrong though.

I am no attorney, but your assessment would appear to be correct. Pistol Permit holders are exempt from that section, now in retrospect.. I don't see anywhere that says permit holders must have there firearm concealed. Just that they must have a permit.. Hmmmmm

mdauben
May 24, 2013, 12:11 AM
Sure.. Courthouses, courthouse annex's, anywhere a city council is currently meeting, this makes all municipal buildings off limits while the council, or county commission is in session, any place that has a metal detector, turnstile, or other such device prior to entry.
Well... the thing is, it looks like all the specific prohibitions are generally places you wouldn't be allowed to carry anyway. Admittedly, I would have preferred them not to be codified into law, but other than that issue it doesn't look like we really lost anything.

I agree it's not perfect but I think overall it's still a win for AL gun owners.


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41
May 24, 2013, 11:10 AM
My understanding is that people with a permit to conceal carry are exempted from not being able to carry. I think they just don't want people open carrying in those areas.

Bhamrichard
May 24, 2013, 05:34 PM
That's not correct 41. Quote: "Section 6. (a) In addition to any other place limited or prohibited by state or federal law, a person, including a person with a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75".

With, or without a permit, you'd still be in violation.

docnyt
October 10, 2013, 07:33 PM
Well I renewed mine for 5 years. In Montgomery the cost is just the usual yearly $20 x 5 years.

I forgot to ask about the age limit (sorry Telekinesis). I did clarify concealed carry in establishments with these new signs that popped up. The wording in the sign that the Sheriff's office had (and which I confirmed at a restaurant later) pertains to open carry only. The lady I asked further said if the property posts all firearms prohibited then that means you cannot carry there at all. Whether that's enforceable is up to debate.

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