Trimming .223


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stiffdogg06
April 6, 2013, 12:04 PM
I know .223 can be tedious. One thing I hate doing is trimming. I currently use the Lyman Case Trimmer. When I start prepping my .223, I will tumble all my brass one day, trim all of it another day, etc. So trimming 1k+ cases on the Lyman can be very tiresome.

My question is, does anyone trim ON the press with say a Dillion RT 1200 or possibly with the Lee Quick Trim Die? I'm a budget reloader so a $250 trimmer is normally out of the budget for me because I can just buy a new Lee Press :)


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Arbo
April 6, 2013, 12:18 PM
I'm just signing in to see what people say, as I just went though trimming/deburring/chamfering about 600 of these cases... I have more to go.

plunge
April 6, 2013, 12:19 PM
i use the possum hollow in a drill and it works pretty good.

Steve H
April 6, 2013, 12:22 PM
+1 on the possum hollow

ReloaderFred
April 6, 2013, 12:23 PM
I hate trimming with a passion, which is why I sprung for the Dillon RT1200 many, many years ago, and the dies to do .223, .308, .30-06 and .243. It seems .223 has to be trimmed every time it's loaded, which is why I only load it about every 5 years, and then I do a batch of about 5,000 rounds. I'm about due again, and I'm dreading it..........

Hope this helps.

Fred

45lcshooter
April 6, 2013, 12:44 PM
Lee Zip Trim. Perfect on the wallet.

gonefishin1
April 6, 2013, 12:46 PM
I love my cts ( I think that's the name) I bought it off ebay for $42 works great about 5 seconds each case. I did 500 in one sitting no problem

rcmodel
April 6, 2013, 12:52 PM
For mass quantities of .223 I use a Lee trimmer spindle and cutter in a drill press.

Hand hold the case on the drill press table and it becomes the depth stop.

I can trim them as fast as I can pick them up and throw them down.

rc

Arbo
April 6, 2013, 12:55 PM
I have the case holder from a lee trimmer in a drill on my desktop, put a case in, have the trimmer with guage in the other hand and just insert and spin the drill slowly. But it does wear on your hands pretty quickly

Mike 27
April 6, 2013, 12:58 PM
I do not have one but I was looking at the Worlds Finest Trimmer for the 223. It looks extremely fast. I currently use the Lee trimmers and I will say if very motivated I get between 7-10 per minute but it will work your hands. The knurled nut tends to make my fingers sore after a while.

www.littlecrowgunworks.com/wft.html

GT1
April 6, 2013, 02:27 PM
You're going to eventually learn to hate any trimming method that requires you to hold the case(keep it from spinning) in your hand.

Hondo 60
April 6, 2013, 02:35 PM
I don't do mass trimmings.
I can't sit or stand that long.
Maybe 150-200 at a crack, but that's it.

I DID spring for an expensive trimmer - a Lyman Power Trimmer.
I love it & will cry when it breaks.

I've found that federal brass doesn't grow much - atleast not the 223 load I use.
So if I trim, it's every 5th reloading or so.

GT1
April 6, 2013, 02:46 PM
I'm good for an hour on my hand crank Lyman Universal. I can get in maybe 300, but I have no fun doing that though it isn't hard to do, just tedious. I have the power adapter coming as we speak, because I have around 4k of .223 that will need processing some day.

CLP
April 6, 2013, 03:19 PM
I do not have one but I was looking at the Worlds Finest Trimmer for the 223. It looks extremely fast. I currently use the Lee trimmers and I will say if very motivated I get between 7-10 per minute but it will work your hands. The knurled nut tends to make my fingers sore after a while.

www.littlecrowgunworks.com/wft.html
Heh, bout time someone mentioned that one. You can get it for 68ish some odd bucks from a variety of online sources. Size your brass, chuck the WFT in a drill, and trim the brass. It'll take a few seconds per piece. I personally use a Giraud for 223, but for 6.8 and .308 I use the WFT- very simple, effective, accurate, and quick.

IMtheNRA
April 6, 2013, 03:42 PM
I realize this suggestion does not fit your budget, but a few years ago, I bit the bullet and bought a Giraud because I shoot a few thousand rounds of .223 per year.

I no longer dread reloading rifle rounds because I can process about 500 cases per hour. The Giraud trims, deburs, and chamfers the neck all at once - just a few seconds per case. I stop at 500 cases per session, because my fingers begin to cramp up from such a repetitive task.

Xelera
April 6, 2013, 05:08 PM
I use a Forster Original (you have to buy a Forster Classic or Adapter kit to resize long action cases).

http://www.forsterproducts.com/catalog.asp?prodid=700289

Currently at MidwayUSA, it is going for 96.99 for the kit (includes trimmer, pilots, and collets). Just the trimmer is 64.99 but you'll have to get the appropriate collets/pilots, so the kit is probably a better deal.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/614276/forster-original-case-trimmer-kit

You can also buy a power adapter for a drill, to turn the cutter, but honestly, it is so easy and fast using the hand crank, you probably won't need it. Then again, I've never trimmed more than about 100 at a time... I bought the adapter but have never used it.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/644779/forster-case-trimmer-power-adapter

hddeluxe
April 6, 2013, 05:21 PM
If you are going to be doing any really large quantities of 223 or 308 brass you should consider the Giraud. It may be a little on the pricey side, but it is a quality machine which trims, deburrs, and chamfers all at once. I know I don't mind doing the trimming anymore. My last batch of 5k was done before you know it.

plodder
April 6, 2013, 07:32 PM
I have the Dillon RT 1200 for my XL650 press. While it does a great job of trimming without effort (I cycle the cases through the press after initial tumbling in a de-prime & trim cycle before secondary tumbling) it does not taper/chamfer the case neck. So if you a a finicky reloader you will still have to run the brass across a chamfering tool.

I'd give somebody a shiny new quarter if they came up with a tool head for the RT 1200 that trimmed AND chamfered!

Onewolf
April 6, 2013, 07:48 PM
I use WFTs for both 260 rem and 223. They work great.

nix4me
April 6, 2013, 08:11 PM
The Giraud looks awesome! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X1Zdwnm9Fk

gamestalker
April 6, 2013, 08:16 PM
I've been using the Lee trimmer for years and it works very fast when used with a drill. I just take my cordless and set it on the bench, it probably takes from 5 - 10 seconds to trim, ream, and chamfer each case. I don't know of any other method that could be any faster, or that would justify spending a bunch of money.

GS

stiffdogg06
April 6, 2013, 08:19 PM
That Giraud does look awesome. The $400 price tag doesn't. :(

nix4me
April 6, 2013, 08:22 PM
I use the lee trimmer and cordless drill also but i also have to use a hand debur and chamfer tool. Since i only load 20-60 rounds of rifle ammo at a time, this works fine. I can't imagine doing 1000's of 223 at a time like that though, would take forever. If i were shooting 1000's, i would figure out how to justify the Giraud or something similar.

Lennyjoe
April 6, 2013, 08:49 PM
I'm lazy when it comes to .223 reloading. I don't trim any of them. So far, no issues. 6.8 SPC, .243, .30-06 I trim the first load out.

KansasSasquatch
April 6, 2013, 08:57 PM
I keep seeing the WFT recommended over and over again. I finally went and found video of it's use. I already have a Hornady Cam Loc trimmer but even it gets tiring after a few hundred cases. The WFT definitely appears to be worth the money. .223 is probably the only caliber I'll get one for. For all of my other rifle calibers, I don't reload enough to justify a WFT for each caliber. Giraud trimmer is too pricey for me right now.

angus6
April 6, 2013, 09:04 PM
Really like the rt1200, it makes doing a 5gal bucket full not so bad,, if the cost bothers you pick one up along with a 300BLK trim die and recoup the cost by processing a lg.flat rate box of .223 in to 300blk

cfullgraf
April 6, 2013, 09:27 PM
I recently started using the WFT trimmers. They are great. I have a Possum Hollow for 223 Remington and it works on the same principle but I never got around to adjusting mine.

I find using a drill motor cumbersome but ok for small batches of like a 100 or 200.

For large batches, I will probably chuck the WFT in the lathe.

The Giraud is the cat's meow as it has its own power source but the initial price tag is high. But, trimming units for other cartridges cost about the same cost as the WFT. They can be preset and make changing set-ups for trimming pretty quick.

I will still use my Wilson/Sinclair trimmer for cartridges where I do not have an WFT trimmer.

RainDodger
April 7, 2013, 09:52 AM
When I trim mass quantities of 5.56, I use the WFT. It is truly excellent. I have mine mounted on flex shaft off of a drill press, so I can stand at my bench with the flex shaft in one hand and put the case in with the other, holding the WFT in a horizontal position. Trim, drop in bowl directly below, etc.

You can trim hundreds in very little time and it's simple.

For all other large rifle... I use the L.E.Wilson, because I'm never doing over about 50 cases.

witchhunter
April 7, 2013, 12:36 PM
Boy was I glad to see Lyman come out with the power trimmer! I think I got the first one. Just got back from a pdog shooting weekend and when I measured my bucket of brass, it seemed like it all needed trimming. When I saw it advertized, it didn't take me long to decide on it. I don't know if there are better or faster ways to trim a thousand pieces. I have used this exclusively since the 80's....

Outlaw714
April 7, 2013, 08:36 PM
+1 wft

rondog
April 7, 2013, 09:17 PM
I use a Giraud too, for .223 and .30-06. Pay once, cry once, and have it easy from then on.

CGT80
April 8, 2013, 12:55 AM
CTS cutter like above, but I made a motorized base.


http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k484/CGT80/photobucket-29752-1355907138829.jpg

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k484/CGT80/photobucket-7666-1355736141590.jpg

Deburring is no big deal with the adapter I setup. It can be flipped for the outside of the case. I don't usually even bother to debur as my flare die/or boat tail bullets and crimp dies will knock off the sharp edge. The most precise shooting I do right now is 3 gun, so I am not as picky as some. I also setup a lee flash hole cleaning tool to fit in the same machine. I have CTS trimmers for 223, 30-30, 30-06, and 460 Mag straight wall brass. It is the best bang for the buck in regards to price vs. speed and quality.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k484/CGT80/photobucket-25890-1355907224801.jpg

1KPerDay
April 8, 2013, 01:27 PM
This is my current setup, RCBS trim pro with Exibar's drill adapter and 3-way cutter. Pretty slick, but not as fast or easy as the Giraud, of course
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIlUBBNJ6zI

With the giraud... do you have to buy different cutters/whatever for different calibers? Or can you somehow adjust the cutting/chamfer/debur blades for all calibers?

HighExpert
April 8, 2013, 04:13 PM
+2 on the possum hollow. I got a cheap little drill press from Harbor freight and it makes it easier than using a hand held drill, though.

Cherokee
April 9, 2013, 07:54 PM
Giraud is the top of the line, works great and haven't regretted the price. But I undeerstand its too expesive for lots of reloaders. I used a Lyman trimmer for many years and they work fine.

boston
April 9, 2013, 08:55 PM
I too use a Giraud and nothing beats it. To help defray the cost, consider going in with partners. I know of two separate members who have done just that and have been able to purchase the Giraud for half or less than full price. Something to consider.

Waldog
April 9, 2013, 09:52 PM
That Giraud does look awesome. The $400 price tag doesn't.

The price seems high, and I guess it is high if you only trim 223. If you trim many others, the price seems like a bargain. I HATE trimming but, I now trim after time the case is fired. And, (This is what made me pay the price!) My son is also an avid shooter/competitor/reloader, my Giraud will eventually be HIS Giraud. And, that makes me smile.

cactus02
April 12, 2013, 10:30 PM
I bought the dillon sizer/trimmer 25 years ago. Bite the bullet and buy it once and use it for your lifetime.The pleasure of something good overrides the temperary pain of the cost.

DBR
April 12, 2013, 11:10 PM
I had a Giraud which I sold. I didn't like the way it chamfered the case mouths and the "extra step".

The setup I use now works perfectly for me and produces very uniform cases. I have an RCBS 2000 press setup as follows:
Station one has a Dillon decap die.
Station two is empty.
Station three (the one built into the press body) has the Dillon Trimmer.
Station four is empty.
Station five has a Sinclair carbide -.002 expander mandrel. This is the one they sell for case neck turning. They also have a tool steel version that is considerably cheaper. The mandrel irons out any burrs on the inside of the case neck and expands it to -.002 without stretching the case like a pull through ball can.

When I reload, the first station has a RCBS expander mandrel that slightly flares the case mouth. The last station has either a Redding taper crimp die or a Lee Factory crimp die. Adding a modest crimp takes care of the outside chamfer/burr issue.

If I wanted to use no crimp then I would lightly chamfer the outside of the case mouth.

GLOOB
April 13, 2013, 02:36 AM
Station five has a Sinclair carbide -.002 expander mandrel. This is the one they sell for case neck turning. They also have a tool steel version that is considerably cheaper. The mandrel irons out any burrs on the inside of the case neck and expands it to -.002 without stretching the case like a pull through ball can.

When I reload, the first station has a RCBS expander mandrel that slightly flares the case mouth.
I agree this is the way to go. No inside chamfer, no case stretching, no neck lube. But I use the Lyman M die. It does the expanding and the chamfer in one die/step. I can't imagine going back to reloading a bottleneck rifle cartridge without one.

Outlaw714
April 15, 2013, 06:58 AM
WFT trimmer for the price. Chucked up in the drill press I can do several hundred with little effort.

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