So, what is the .224 cartridge?


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freewheeling
April 7, 2013, 02:42 AM
I'm building an AR-15 and have everything for the lower, so I'm thinking about an upper. I just noticed that a supplier has some .224 cartridges for less than $20 for 100, but I didn't know what it was or whether it's compatible with conventional .223/5.56. If not, are there special uppers and barrels chambered for this round? I saw one high-end target rifle that said it was chambered for the .224 AR round, but that isn't the same as the Hornady round is it?

I also read somewhere that you can use these rounds in a regular AR-15 if you use it like a single-shot, but they're too long for the mags. Is a special .224 upper a decent consideration?

I also saw this. It's in stock, but what is it? These are regular AR-15 rounds aren't they, and the .224" diameter doesn't mean the same thing as the Hornady .224 round. They're just measuring the cartridge and trying to confuse people, right??

I'm so excited. I almost have half a rifle!


Barnes® Triple-Shock® X-Bullet® - .223/5.56mm .224" 55gr TSX-FB 50/Box
Product Number: BX22444
Item Price: $29.99
Availability: In Stock
Shipping Weight: 0.53 lb.
• Caliber: .223/5.56mm
• Diameter: .224"
• Grain: 55gr
• Bullet: TSX® Flat-Base
• 50 Bullets per Box

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kyhunter
April 7, 2013, 03:43 AM
barnes triple shock are .224 diameter. .223 or 5.56mm barrels shoot .224 sized bullets. Same as a .303 british firing a .311 bullet. The name of the cartridge doesnt necessarily represent bullet diameter.

.44 mag is .421 inches for example

col temp is correct those seem to be just projectiles. Not loaded rounds.

col_temp
April 7, 2013, 04:05 AM
Free wheeling, Make sure the price you got there isn't just for bullets.
It think I know where you got the pricing from and that just for the bullets themselves not the complete cartridge.
I've almost made this mistake in the past as well. Best of luck. I'm waiting for my parts kit ot arrive so i can start building my lower as well. If you haven't found ar15.com they have a lot of info about all things ar over there!

redneck2
April 7, 2013, 06:29 AM
a supplier has some .224 cartridgesUhhhh.....no.

Dude, those are just the bullets, not loaded rounds. I've got maybe 5k of bullets that size in my loading shop. Use them in .22 Hornet, .223, and .22-250.

Reloadron
April 7, 2013, 07:06 AM
Barnes® Triple-Shock® X-Bullet® - .223/5.56mm .224" 55gr TSX-FB 50/Box
Product Number: BX22444
Item Price: $29.99
Availability: In Stock
Shipping Weight: 0.53 lb.
• Caliber: .223/5.56mm
• Diameter: .224"
• Grain: 55gr
• Bullet: TSX® Flat-Base
• 50 Bullets per Box

These are bullets (http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/components/rifle/tsx-bullet/) and as mentioned, they are only bullets, just components. They are not loaded ammunition. Also as mentioned, at around $0.50 each they are not inexpensive bullets. The link will show you exactly what they are.

Ron

hentown
April 7, 2013, 07:47 AM
Pretty obvious that the OP doesn't know the difference between ammunition and bullets. :eek:

Carl N. Brown
April 7, 2013, 08:10 AM
Yes, .224 bullets are not .224 cartridges.

.224 55gr bullets could be loaded in a lot of cartridges labeled .222, .223, .224, 5.56mm, 5.6mm, etc., which use the same bullet diameter, but the cartridge is named different because case size and length are different. So the cartridge name is given a different .xxx name to avoid confusion.

OilyPablo
April 7, 2013, 08:26 AM
.44 mag is .421 inches for example

Isn't 44Mag .429?

Reloadron
April 7, 2013, 08:43 AM
Pretty obvious that the OP doesn't know the difference between ammunition and bullets. :eek:
Yes, but there is also a learning curve at work which is a "good thing".

People buy for example RCBS loading dies all the time later to discover the shell holder is not included. Lee dies on the other hand include the shell holder.

I would just about guarantee that after the original poster reads his thread he will come away with a small chunk of the learning curve learned. :)

Ron

Jim Watson
April 7, 2013, 09:14 AM
I blame a lot of his confusion on the modern custom of referring to cartridges as "bullets."
"Thishere is a magazine, not a clip, and it holds 20 bullets."


Have to wonder how he made the shift from a Hornady round to a Barnes bullet, though.

meanmrmustard
April 7, 2013, 10:19 AM
Seems the question has been answered.

I'll add that I've used those same bullets in the factory Barnes VorTx loading, and they do a number on large deer inside 200 yards.

It's my go to round for deer hunting with the ARs.:)

MachIVshooter
April 7, 2013, 10:23 AM
Isn't 44Mag .429?

Yup.

NeuseRvrRat
April 7, 2013, 10:24 AM
http://www.preciseshooter.com/blog/Basics/ammo_centrefire.gif

Reloadron
April 7, 2013, 10:33 AM
I blame a lot of his confusion on the modern custom of referring to cartridges as "bullets."
"Thishere is a magazine, not a clip, and it holds 20 bullets."


Have to wonder how he made the shift from a Hornady round to a Barnes bullet, though.
:) ................

I don't know about that Jim?

The below devices hold 5 EA. of 30-30 rifle cartridges, it is detachable. I want to call them a "Magazine", however, the guys who made it seem to want to call it a "Clip".

http://www.bearblain.com/images/Stevens%20325%20%20Savage%20340%201.png

I guess it really doesn't matter as long as I know what it is and what it does as well as how to correctly use it? Oh God, now I am so confused..... again. :)

Ron

freewheeling
April 7, 2013, 12:04 PM
Thanks guys. It did cross my mind when I used the term "cartridges" that the ad didn't use that term. I guess things have changed since the last time I bought cartridges and a lot of people are re-loading. Guess I'll have to look into that.

BTW, when I was target shooting as a kid at the local NRA I had a bolt-action .22 LR that had a "clip." We also called them clips when I had an M1 in military school. I guess the term "round" is still a little ambiguous, since it may refer to either a cartridge that's still in the rifle or a bullet that's in the target downrange?

freewheeling
April 7, 2013, 12:22 PM
There seem to be three different references to .224 besides the size of the slug. One refers to a .224 AR, another refers to a .224 Hornady, and another to a .224 Weatherby. I assume that these are all the same bullet but that the cases are different? So, they apparently do make an upper (including barrel) for the .224 AR, but do they also make uppers for the Hornady and/or the Weatherby? If so, are they conventionally priced or premium priced? Look like the .224 AR upper I found is premium and used for target shooting, and I'm also assuming that this is not the same as the .223 / 5.56 round normally used in the AR-15 but I could be wrong about that too.:o

rcmodel
April 7, 2013, 01:11 PM
.224 AR:
http://6mmar.com/224_AR.html

.224 Weatherby Magnum:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.224_Weatherby_Magnum

There is no such thing as a .224 Hornady cartridge.

rc

col_temp
April 7, 2013, 01:21 PM
NeuseRvrRat,

Cool picture! Thanks for posting...

freewheeling
April 7, 2013, 02:12 PM
Thanks, rc. I guess Hornady is a brand name. Think I'll stick with the Wylde upper, if I can find one.

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