USA Ammo - gouge city


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jmace57
April 7, 2013, 03:58 PM
Yesterday I received an email from USA Ammo, who I have bought ammo from before without a problem, although after their initial entry into the market - started increasing prices. They sell once-fired reloaded ammo.

In this email, they have the nerve to ask $100 for a 50 round box of reloaded 45 FMJ.

I know, I know, the market dictates the prices' but they have lost me as a customer, and I told them so in a return email. Dang, that steamed me.

http://www.usaammo.com/45-Auto-230-gr-FMJ-New-Ammo-Best-Prices-In-Stock-P677.aspx

Whoops - correction - they say it's NEW ammo - I guess that's supposed to make it a good deal.

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morcey2
April 7, 2013, 04:03 PM
Not gouging. Don't want to pay that much? Don't buy it. Unless they can compel you to buy it, it's not gouging.

Matt

Torian
April 7, 2013, 04:16 PM
Yea, those prices are a joke. "Gouging" is a pretty subjective term these days. Let them sell to the sheep.

PabloJ
April 7, 2013, 04:19 PM
People need to stop buying ammo. There are so many things I rather do instead of punching wholes in paper.

buck460XVR
April 7, 2013, 04:37 PM
People need to stop buying ammo. .


No....folks just need to quit paying too much for ammo. There are places that still sell ammo when they have it at reasonable prices. These are the places they need to patronize and continue to patronize after the gouging stops.

Constrictor
April 7, 2013, 05:07 PM
Thats not gouging. You dont have to buy there.

wriggly
April 7, 2013, 05:52 PM
From the dictionary..... Gouging, "to extort from or overcharge."

Ya'll can call it what you like, but a spade is a spade. I suspect those that defend these practices are folks that hang around the ammo cases at the local Walmarts like vultures, and then list what they buy at three times the price or more on Armslist.

mrvco
April 7, 2013, 06:05 PM
#1 - I would never pay that much for range ammo.

#2 - I'm glad they have it available at that price.

Why? Because they'll build some inventory and instead of some hyper-paranoid hoarder adding to his million round pile of treasure, if someone REALLY NEEDS .45ACP FMJ, then at least they can get it. I know it is ridiculously expensive, but shooting 50 rounds (instead of 200) with your wife or kids is better than not shooting at all.

The_Next_Generation
April 7, 2013, 06:31 PM
Actually, their prices for all other ammo, even 45acp, aren't too bad. Maybe its just a typo.

Walkalong
April 7, 2013, 06:45 PM
$100 for a 50 round box of reloaded 45 FMJ.
Thats not gouging. You dont have to buy there. True, we don't have to buy it, but at that price, even the capitalist in me would agree it's gouging.

Maybe its just a typoLet's hope so. :)

skimbell
April 7, 2013, 07:36 PM
It probably isn't technically price gouging as that term is more or less reserved for short term, drastic price increases in localized settings for commodities that are usually considered to be necessities.
I'm much more comfortable with this ammo situation being plain and simple profiteering by those outlets that have unethically overpriced their products.

Agsalaska
April 7, 2013, 08:31 PM
These threads sicken me. A friend of mine tried to convince me last year how far left the right base had actually come on fiscal issues. I really didn't buy what he was saying. He also posts on the high road. A couple of weeks ago after another thread similar to this he sent me a text saying 'believe me now.' Yep.

sleepyone
April 7, 2013, 09:01 PM
Gouge and hoard are two words that I would not miss if they were to disappear from the English language. :barf:

Maybe the mods can write a script that deletes new threads when those two words appear anywhere in the title or body. Pretty please!? :D

Constrictor
April 7, 2013, 10:07 PM
From the dictionary..... Gouging, "to extort from or overcharge."

Ya'll can call it what you like, but a spade is a spade. I suspect those that defend these practices are folks that hang around the ammo cases at the local Walmarts like vultures, and then list what they buy at three times the price or more on Armslist.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/price+gouging

It isn't very honest to cherry pick the dictionary definition and leave out important parts.
Right after your quote it says "when no alternative retailer is available.

jrdolall
April 7, 2013, 10:20 PM
I just don't see how having high prices on firearms or ammo is gouging. If the grocery store up the street is charging $8 for a gallon of milk is that gouging? Are the guys listing .22 ammo on Gunbroker gouging when they run an auction for a brick of .22 Golden Bullets and the price gets bid up to $100? All of the items on Gunbroker are being bid on at ridiculous prices by people who(for some reason) think it is okay to pay those prices.
Maybe it is gouging when there are three gas stations at an intersection 50 miles from the next intersection and all three have the exact same price which is $1 a gallon higher than other places. Ammo is an item we all want right now so it is not gouging to offer it for sale at a high price. Bad business? Maybe.

wriggly
April 7, 2013, 11:38 PM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/price+gouging

It isn't very honest to cherry pick the dictionary definition and leave out important parts.
Right after your quote it says "when no alternative retailer is available.


First off, I didnt cherry pick anything. The souce I got it from did not include your quote at all.....

gouge (gaʊdʒ)

n., v. gouged, goug•ing. n.
1. a chisel having a partly cylindrical blade with the bevel on either the concave or the convex side.
2. an act of gouging.
3. a hole made by gouging.
4. an act of extortion; swindle.
5.
a. a layer of decomposed rocks or minerals found along the walls of a vein.
b. fragments of rock that have accumulated between or along the walls of a fault.
v.t.
6. to scoop out or turn with or as if with a gouge.
7. to dig or force out with or as if with a gouge (often fol. by out).
8. to make a gouge in: to gouge one's leg.
9. to extort from or overcharge.
v.i.
10. to engage in extortion or swindling.

And now that you publicly implied that I am dishonest, I think you ought to get down to your station at the local Walmart, you might miss an opportunity to get some goodies to sell on Armslist.

Constrictor
April 7, 2013, 11:49 PM
First off, I didnt cherry pick anything. The souce I got it from did not include your quote at all.....

gouge (gaʊdʒ)

n., v. gouged, goug•ing. n.
1. a chisel having a partly cylindrical blade with the bevel on either the concave or the convex side.
2. an act of gouging.
3. a hole made by gouging.
4. an act of extortion; swindle.
5.
a. a layer of decomposed rocks or minerals found along the walls of a vein.
b. fragments of rock that have accumulated between or along the walls of a fault.
v.t.
6. to scoop out or turn with or as if with a gouge.
7. to dig or force out with or as if with a gouge (often fol. by out).
8. to make a gouge in: to gouge one's leg.
9. to extort from or overcharge.
v.i.
10. to engage in extortion or swindling.

And now that you publicly implied that I am dishonest, I think you ought to get down to your station at the local Walmart, you might miss an opportunity to get some goodies to sell on Armslist.
No thank you sir. I don't buy ammo. I make my own and I've got nothing I can part with. Have a good day.

HOOfan_1
April 7, 2013, 11:54 PM
These threads sicken me. A friend of mine tried to convince me last year how far left the right base had actually come on fiscal issues. I really didn't buy what he was saying. He also posts on the high road. A couple of weeks ago after another thread similar to this he sent me a text saying 'believe me now.' Yep.

How do you come to this conclusion? I have yet to see anyone on The High Road state that they wished the government would step in and force companies to lower their prices.

I only see people using their rights as free market consumers to choose where to shop and where not to shop.

Free market businesses can charge what they want...their consumers can complain about it and shop elsewhere....

Who in their right mind wants to pay MORE for anything?

silicosys4
April 8, 2013, 12:34 AM
These threads sicken me. A friend of mine tried to convince me last year how far left the right base had actually come on fiscal issues. I really didn't buy what he was saying. He also posts on the high road. A couple of weeks ago after another thread similar to this he sent me a text saying 'believe me now.' Yep.

Nobody is calling for legal action against these companies, or for legislation regulating pricing or availability. What you are seeing is the free market at work. A group of people universally recognizing a pricing strategy they do not agree with, and voicing disapproval. Based on your statement, I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario you would approve of here...willfully paying extremely high prices simply to support extremely high prices?

Edit> Hoo got it before me.

BigBore44
April 8, 2013, 04:40 AM
As much as I HATE what people are doing with buying and reselling ammo. And as much as I HATE what some companies are charging for ammo. I have to admit, it's not gouging. It sucks. It REALLY sucks. I don't have a lot of money. And I can't afford to buy ammo at the "market" prices. The more wealthy people can. And they are. But there are still places that I can buy ammo. Walmart still has it occasionally. So does academy. And there are a few online stores that haven't jacked up prices very much. It's not going to fall in your lap. You have to look for it. But it's there. I feel for the people who didn't stock up. But this will be a lesson learned next time. Another poster on a different thread had it right. "Buy 2, shoot 1".

But right now I'm not even actively looking for it. I have plenty of other hobbies to keep me busy. I'm going to give you guys a bit of help in finding ammo. Look where you wouldn't normally look for ammo. It's a place some of your wives like to go to find old or used things.

bikerdoc
April 8, 2013, 06:29 AM
BigBore44 got it right and has a good perspective

Killian
April 8, 2013, 08:11 AM
Is USA Ammo a maker or middleman? Could the prices charged to them have gone up and they are being forced to pass it along?

Al Thompson
April 8, 2013, 09:21 AM
Too much opportunity for the bickering to continue. :rolleyes:

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