Did Colt stop making revolvers?


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SabbathWolf
April 8, 2013, 05:51 PM
I'm personally a Ruger GP-100 & Blackhawk fan boy to be honest.
But I've owned a Smitty or two in the past that I loved as well.
Just for fun, I went on Colt's website today.
I haven't been there in years.
The "only" revolvers I saw were cowboy action guns.
I even downloaded their 2013 catalog...and still...nothing.

Did Colt stop making double-action revolvers?
Have I painfully just been living under some rock?
Is this old news that I just apparently completely missed?


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Dain Bramage
April 8, 2013, 05:53 PM
Yes.
Maybe.
Yes.

farm23
April 8, 2013, 05:59 PM
I am not sure but my oldest catalog is 2000 and Colt only had SAA revolvers.

shotgunjoel
April 8, 2013, 06:06 PM
Wikipedia states that production for the Python was 1955-1996. It also state that they announced the end of production in 1999. If I remember correctly they stopped serial production but still had some revolvers coming out of the custom shop for a few years, this probably explains the 2 different dates.

SabbathWolf
April 8, 2013, 06:07 PM
WOW!!!!

I guess I "have" been living under a frickin' rock!
I would have never imagined this at all.
They used to have some cool revolvers I remember from when I was a kid.
Thanks for the quick replies.
I feel really stupid now.
lol....

Dain Bramage
April 8, 2013, 06:09 PM
Cheer up. It just means you've missed the 10,000th "overpriced Pythons", "what happened to Diamondback prices", and "I can't even afford a Trooper III" threads.

Don't even get me started on 1,000 "strange schemes Colt can do to get back into double actions" threads, followed by "no they can't" replies.

Plus, rocks can be very nice. See some of Frank Lloyd Wright's work.

PRM
April 8, 2013, 06:23 PM
I was on GB this morning and Detective Specials are listed from $650 (well worn) to over $1000.

Gun prices are crazy right now.

SabbathWolf
April 8, 2013, 06:36 PM
Cheer up. It just means you've missed the 10,000th "overpriced Pythons", "what happened to Diamondback prices", and "I can't even afford a Trooper III" threads.

Don't even get me started on 1,000 "strange schemes Colt can do to get back into double actions" threads, followed by "no they can't" replies.

Plus, rocks can be very nice. See some of Frank Lloyd Wright's work.
Well thank you.
That makes me feel a little better I guess.
Kinda.....lol

I did think the Python was a pretty revolver though. But I've never held or fired one.
The only Colt "anything" I've ever fired were all M16s and M4s in the army. I've never owned a Colt of any kind personally.
Looks like I'm not going to now either.....lol

On the bright side, yep....FLW designed some absolutely awesome stuff...

Texan Scott
April 8, 2013, 06:47 PM
SabbathWolf, Dain Bramage.... hate to break this to you... Frank Lloyd Wright ain't makin' houses anymore, neither. :(

460Kodiak
April 8, 2013, 07:58 PM
Yes. A very very large rock.

The good news is that airplanes and the internet have been invented in the mean time!!!! So you have something to celebrate after all!!!!

;)

Bill Clinton is no longer president either........

Just ribbing man

SabbathWolf
April 8, 2013, 08:16 PM
Airplanes?

Is that was those shiny silver bird things are I keep seeing?

:D

blaisenguns
April 8, 2013, 08:58 PM
If we could only go back to 1955 in a DeLorean...
Then we could buy all the pythons we want at dirt-cheap prices!!

savit260
April 8, 2013, 11:05 PM
Oldsmobiles have been out of production for less time than Double Action Colts !

22-rimfire
April 9, 2013, 12:48 AM
Funny thread. Yeah. No DA revolvers. But the old ones sure get a lot of attention! $$

rcmodel
April 9, 2013, 01:08 AM
Oldsmobiles have been out of production

So have Pontiac's!

They stopped making then 3 years ago.

13 years after Colt DA revolvers.

rc

25cschaefer
April 9, 2013, 01:14 AM
I am not sure but my oldest catalog is 2000 and Colt only had SAA revolvers.

The new SAAs are Uberti parts assembled in America.

DPris
April 9, 2013, 01:59 AM
Absolute & utter BULLSPIT, if you think you're refering to Colt Peacemakers.
Many of the parts are outsourced, but NONE are Italian.
Denis

rcmodel
April 9, 2013, 02:11 AM
Bullspit!
So true!!

Nothing about a new Colt SAA is Italian made, and never has been.

rc

natman
April 9, 2013, 04:20 AM
Did Colt stop making double-action revolvers?
Have I painfully just been living under some rock?
Is this old news that I just apparently completely missed?


I hate to break this to you, but disco is dead too. :D

SabbathWolf
April 9, 2013, 05:35 AM
I hate to break this to you, but disco is dead too. :D
I hated disco anyways.
While other people were listening to the Bee Gees, I was jammin' Zeppelin....lol

mdemetz
April 9, 2013, 09:45 AM
Oldsmobiles have been out of production

So have Pontiac's!
And Saturns and Mercurys.

Does Colt still have parts for DAs?

Shear_stress
April 9, 2013, 10:28 AM
Does Colt still have parts for DAs?

Yes they do. I had them put a new hand in a revolver within the last year.

ApacheCoTodd
April 9, 2013, 01:12 PM
This is something I only relatively recently learned as well. Having not been a valid consumer for a factory fresh Colt... ever, the slipping into producing semis and SAAs only passed without my notice. The fact that any given Colt was always just enough out of my price range and not favoring the cylinder release system on Colts kept me outa the loop on production.

It was only the fairly recent re-introduction of S&W's 1917 which caused me to go over to Colt to see if they had one as well.

Next step: Much mocking, derision and speculation as to how long I have and how large the rock was that I had been living under.

Who knew? Apparently not me, the OP and at least one other. But that's not all that passed unnoticed over at Colt for me. Their array of AR based rifles, reissued 1911s and more. I'm just not enough of a new Colt guy to follow I guess and generic unsought after knowledge clogs up my brain ball.

Not unlike reading about a car or motorcycle of which I have no hopes of buying and have no inherent technical interest in - Colt has been well under my radar for some time.

Gaucho Gringo
April 9, 2013, 03:29 PM
And Saturns and Mercurys.

Does Colt still have parts for DAs?
So have Plymouths.

CraigC
April 9, 2013, 03:51 PM
Only a handful of New Frontiers have shipped and I haven't seen a new SAA in a year or so.


The new SAAs are Uberti parts assembled in America.
Yep, pure BS.

This rumor started when Colt contracted parts from foreign sources for the 2nd and 3rd generation percussion guns.

blueskyjaunte
April 9, 2013, 03:58 PM
This is why I love this forum. Comedy gold! :D

mooner
April 9, 2013, 06:21 PM
So the new Colt are not Uberti's, but they are basically not shipping or making any either?

Hmmm.

SabbathWolf
April 9, 2013, 06:38 PM
This is why I love this forum. Comedy gold! :D
Glad to be of service....lol


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Dain Bramage
April 9, 2013, 08:12 PM
Well, as long as Rambler is still in business.

I've been meaning to buy that sea-blue Marlin and call up Frank Lloyd for a ride.

blaisenguns
April 9, 2013, 11:00 PM
Wait Plymouth is out of business. Oh heck and I was saving up for a Hemi Roadrunner!

DPris
April 10, 2013, 12:57 AM
Colt is running out of parts for the older DAs. Python hands are gone.
The Peacemaker is not Uberti, it is still being made, but in low numbers. They are shipping.
Denis

bigdogpete
April 10, 2013, 01:01 AM
Colt website says only SAA and New Frontiers

Skylerbone
April 10, 2013, 01:50 AM
Other sources are available for Colt parts as well. Just got a new hand, catch and springs last week. I wouldn't mind one bit if Colt jumped back in to the DA market but until then I'll happily snatch up any reasonably priced examples I spot. Curious to see if the current political climate lends the final straw and forces a move...imagine a new facility with triple the capacity...

DPris
April 10, 2013, 02:00 AM
Colt doesn't have the money for that type of expansion.
Denis

Skylerbone
April 10, 2013, 02:58 AM
There are States that would offer very lucrative deals to reel them in, not to mention tax savings and cheaper labor costs to offset expenses. CNCs are both faster and cheaper than union labor and unaffected by Obamacare.

DPris
April 10, 2013, 03:16 AM
Still requires money Colt doesn't have. :)
Denis

shotgunjoel
April 10, 2013, 04:09 PM
There are States that would offer very lucrative deals to reel them in, not to mention tax savings and cheaper labor costs to offset expenses. CNCs are both faster and cheaper than union labor and unaffected by Obamacare.
A Colt revolver is still a hand-fitted firearm, and the workers with those kinds of skills mostly live in that part of New England. If they moved they'd have a hard time getting good workers, and would probably have to move employees with them.

Skylerbone
April 10, 2013, 05:27 PM
It's not quite the process of hand fitting you might imagine, either way, staying put if the home State makes things hard has consequences for a firearms company.

SabbathWolf
April 10, 2013, 05:42 PM
Hopefully Colt will follow PTR and move out.

460Kodiak
April 10, 2013, 07:17 PM
What we need is for a military branch to adopt the python as their sidearm. Man, could you imagine that! I know, it is totally impractical and will never ever in a million years happen. Just fantasizing

Taking Al Khaida down.... in style

gpb
April 10, 2013, 07:42 PM
When are this years new Packards going to be at the dealers?

Pilot
April 10, 2013, 08:12 PM
Only the Nash dealers are selling DA Colts now.

Seriously, Colt is making very nice 1911's these days. You may want to check out a Government Model or Series 70 Repro.

blaisenguns
April 10, 2013, 09:02 PM
What we need is for a military branch to adopt the python as their sidearm. Man, could you imagine that! I know, it is totally impractical and will never ever in a million years happen. Just fantasizing


Maybe an eight shot python.

460Kodiak
April 11, 2013, 10:18 AM
.357!!!! That's not a NATO caliber!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!!! Someone think of the children!

Skylerbone
April 11, 2013, 11:25 AM
According to our S of S John Kerry, we mow them down too, so maybe .38 SPL J-Frames as BUGs???

blueskyjaunte
April 11, 2013, 02:50 PM
.357 8-shot Python? Yes, please!

I'd be all over that like...hmm...something awesome?

Dframe
April 11, 2013, 03:30 PM
Colt hasn't made DA revolvers for a while now. They keep teasing about having one in the works but so far Nada. IF it ever debuts it would most likely be something like the Anaconda or the Magnum Carry, and built with the latest technology in order to be able to price it reasonably. That means most likely CNC machining and MIM parts. The hand fitted actions of old are simply NOT economically possible in todays market. They are too costly to produce at a price which people are willing to pay.

ultramag44
April 11, 2013, 04:31 PM
Colt (or part of it @ least) is now accepting Applications for employment in Breckenridge Texas!

Welcome to Texas! Now, if we can get S&W to, as they say, "bust a move" to Texas too!

Yes, it't time to get Colt DA's back in the line!

DPris
April 11, 2013, 07:21 PM
That company is a small totally independent business now located in Oregon that sells Colt-marked competition rifles TO Colt under contractual arrangement.

It is NOT, IN ANY WAY, COLT!
Colt is not moving to Texas, please don't spread this mis-information any further. Already way too much confusion over it.
There'll be enough Texicans disappointed to find they're not actually applying to work for Colt.

Denis

Deaf Smith
April 11, 2013, 07:31 PM
Colt as abdicated the civilian firearms market to S&W, Glock, HK, Ruger, and well heck they just gave up.

They make a bunch of money off M4s to the military and then they simple sit on the profits.

Yea they make a few nickel and dime 1911s, .380s, and such but nothing like any of the other makers make. Heck even High Point makes more civilian guns in one year than Colt makes in 10.

Deaf

DPris
April 11, 2013, 08:36 PM
Not true.
Colt has spent literally millions upgrading the "civilian" side with modern CNC centers & so on in the past two years.
They were putting more into the military side for several years because without those military contracts here & abroad, there would be no Colt today.

They took their DA revolvers off the market because people were not buying enough to keep them in production.

Old story, old nonsense.
Colt did what they did because it was either take that route or go under.
Denis

gpb
April 11, 2013, 10:18 PM
As much as I’d like to see Colt re-enter the DA revolver market, I believe that it would be very difficult for them to succeed in the market.

The first hurdle would be the size of the market. Right now there are two manufactures of quality DA revolvers, S&W and Ruger. Is there really enough demand for quality DA revolvers to support a third manufacturer? I doubt it. Quality DA revolvers, to me, seems to be a niche market. Moderately priced semi automatic pistols seems to be the current growth market.

To have any hope of getting any market share of a limited market Colt would need to be price competitive with S&W and Ruger. To do that Colt would need to develop new designs for their revolvers to make optimum use of modern manufacturing methods and materials.
This leads to the second hurdle, which I believe, are the Colt fans themselves. The big question is would these fans accept a new Colt that by necessity was substantially different from the old Colts? I like many people would like to buy a new Python as good as the old ones for $995, but that cannot happen. I suspect that if Colt introduced a newly designed DA revolver with a CNC machined investment cast frame filled with MIM parts that the Colt fans would be very disappointed and critical of it. So that even if the revolver was an equal match as far as form, function, quality and price to S&W or Ruger it would carry the stigma of not being a “real Colt” and sales would suffer.

In summary, As much as I’d like to see it, I just don’t see how Colt could successfully re-enter the DA revolver market.

Deaf Smith
April 11, 2013, 11:02 PM
Not true.
Colt has spent literally millions upgrading the "civilian" side with modern CNC centers & so on in the past two years.
They were putting more into the military side for several years because without those military contracts here & abroad, there would be no Colt today.

They took their DA revolvers off the market because people were not buying enough to keep them in production.

Old story, old nonsense.
Colt did what they did because it was either take that route or go under.
Denis
And pray tell me what semi-automatics they sell?

What to compare to the Glock? The Nano? The S&W M&P? The TCP from Taurus (ok they make a $600 buck SA rehash.)

Deaf

DPris
April 11, 2013, 11:05 PM
What semi-automatics do they sell????
Go to the website & look.
They're not trying to compete with Glock.
Denis

blaisenguns
April 12, 2013, 12:02 AM
As much as I’d like to see Colt re-enter the DA revolver market, I believe that it would be very difficult for them to succeed in the market.

The first hurdle would be the size of the market. Right now there are two manufactures of quality DA revolvers, S&W and Ruger. Is there really enough demand for quality DA revolvers to support a third manufacturer? I doubt it. Quality DA revolvers, to me, seems to be a niche market. Moderately priced semi automatic pistols seems to be the current growth market.

To have any hope of getting any market share of a limited market Colt would need to be price competitive with S&W and Ruger. To do that Colt would need to develop new designs for their revolvers to make optimum use of modern manufacturing methods and materials.
This leads to the second hurdle, which I believe, are the Colt fans themselves. The big question is would these fans accept a new Colt that by necessity was substantially different from the old Colts? I like many people would like to buy a new Python as good as the old ones for $995, but that cannot happen. I suspect that if Colt introduced a newly designed DA revolver with a CNC machined investment cast frame filled with MIM parts that the Colt fans would be very disappointed and critical of it. So that even if the revolver was an equal match as far as form, function, quality and price to S&W or Ruger it would carry the stigma of not being a “real Colt” and sales would suffer.

In summary, As much as I’d like to see it, I just don’t see how Colt could successfully re-enter the DA revolver market.

well why couldn't colt produce the python the same way the produce the SAA? The produce top quality at a top price point. I have not seen a new SAA for less then $1500. They could sell pythons for 1500-2000, and SOME people would pay. They cant compete with rugger or S&W at that price point, but Smith has the high end performance center models, and colt could easily erode their market share in that segment. I mean if you have a $2500 model 329 next to a $1900 python that's pretty good competition. So many companies make SAAs and the colts are the most expensive because of the quality and the name. Other then production capacity, their is no reason they could not sell and market a high end revolver. The reason they lost the DA market if you ask me is they didn't focus on the magnum rounds like S&W and Ruger.

DPris
April 12, 2013, 01:12 AM
Hashed & re-hashed over & over again.

Colt couldn't sell the Python for less than $2000 per & the market would not support either the startup costs or sustained manufacture.
That's exactly the problem- only "some" people would pay that price.
Colt can't afford the gun.

Colt continues the Peacemaker in small numbers because it's their iconic mascot product.
They also don't have to startup an entire new production process with it like they'd have to do with the much more complicated Python.

This comes up regularly.
Can't & won't happen. Python is dead.
Denis

blaisenguns
April 12, 2013, 09:55 AM
Colt continues the Peacemaker in small numbers because it's their iconic mascot product.
They also don't have to startup an entire new production process with it like they'd have to do with the much more complicated Python.



Yes but didn't colt go 30 or 40 years without making any SAAs? Then when demand was high enough they had to go back and retool their equipment etc. Yes the Double action is more complex, but it is possible. /where there is a will there is a way, but yes it will not happen. Unless one day I can afford to buy Colt :D Then it will. :eek:

Pilot
April 12, 2013, 10:15 AM
Yea they make a few nickel and dime 1911s

Really? Have you seen the 1911's Colt is producing now? They have a full line and they are well priced for their quality. They are not Glock, and don't want to be.

DPris
April 12, 2013, 01:03 PM
Blaise,
The key in your Peacemaker analogy is demand.

Ruger with his single-actions & the TV western craze of the late 1950s & early 1960s created sufficient consumer demand for Colt to re-introduce the Model P.
Those second generation guns carried on till prices rose & demand slackened enough to set up the third gen guns still offered on a limited basis today.
I was told by a Colt armorer (traveling armorer's school) years ago that Colt only keeps the gun going for its image.

There simply is no corresponding demand or market for the Python. Yes, as noted, SOME people would buy at $2000-$2500, but not enough.
Colt would have to establish an entirely new production setup for it, and that includes hiring & training additional workers, establishing parts vendor sources, establishing in-house parts inventory space & tracking systems, and then would have to either insert the gun into existing equipment for rotating production runs (further delaying availability of other guns that people gripe about) or buy new CNC solely for a gun that would only sell in limited numbers (which is not financially justified).

This is not the 1950s.
The market has changed entirely.
When you see plastic pistols ruling, concealed carry driving much of the market, and people complaining about the price on those, you should understand that a hand-fitted deluxe .357 Mag DA revolver in today's times built to the same standards as the Python can't succeed for Colt.
Denis

Dain Bramage
April 12, 2013, 02:54 PM
Don't even get me started on 1,000 "strange schemes Colt can do to get back into double actions" threads, followed by "no they can't" replies.

Feels like deja vu all over again.

DPris
April 12, 2013, 03:04 PM
There's always somebody who either didn't get the original memo or who refuses to believe it. :)
Denis

SabbathWolf
April 12, 2013, 03:13 PM
There's always somebody who either didn't get the original memo or who refuses to believe it. :)
Denis
I just can't read.
I notice all the pretty revolver pictures were gone on Colt's website.
:D

CraigC
April 12, 2013, 07:19 PM
I have not seen a new SAA for less then $1500.
You're not looking very hard. New blued/cch SAA's have been $1100-$1200 for as long as I can remember.

tipoc
April 12, 2013, 08:42 PM
Yes but didn't colt go 30 or 40 years without making any SAAs?

No. They've always made them except for a few years during and after WWII. They stopped production on the SAA as the war began due to lack of sales. After the war they did not restart till the rise of Western movies brought Ruger and Great Western Firearms into the game. Then Colt restarted and has made them ever since.

The second Gen Colt's were post war collectors sometime refer to current production guns as the fourth Gen, though that's debated.

tipoc

tipoc
April 12, 2013, 08:50 PM
In 2011 Colt's Manufacturing Co. produced 46,363 pistols and pistol frames. These were 1911 variants. They sell about all they produce.

In the same year they also produced 1454 single action revolvers.

Colt Defense, (legally a separate company but owned by the same "ownership group") produced 16,419 rifles and carbines from it's Hartford plant. It also produced more from it's Canadian plant but figures from there are not available.

These figures are taken from the ATFs website. 2011 is the last year figures are posted for.

tipoc

Deaf Smith
April 13, 2013, 12:19 AM
What semi-automatics do they sell????
Go to the website & look.
They're not trying to compete with Glock.
Denis
Like I said..they abdicated the marked to the other manufactures.

No police market, very little civilian CCW market, a few collector items are about it.

Deaf

tipoc
April 13, 2013, 12:30 AM
Like I said..they abdicated the marked to the other manufactures.

No police market, very little civilian CCW market, a few collector items are about it.

Like I said, in 2011 Colt Manufacturing produced 46,363 pistols. Colt remains one of the leading manufacturer of 1911 pattern pistols in the U.S. and globally.

They have a good slice of the civilian CCW, competition and target market, a tiny piece of the leo market, a new contract with the Marine Corp for 1911s, etc. They sell all they can produce.

But like they say, some folks are deaf so they can't read.

abdicated is an interesting choice of words. It means that they voluntarily gave up a slice of the market. You're wrong there. They lost a lot of market share but not voluntarily.

tipoc

blaisenguns
April 13, 2013, 12:54 AM
is an interesting choice of words. It means that they voluntarily gave up a slice of the market. You're wrong there. They lost a lot of market share but not voluntarily.


If it wasn't voluntary it was just bad business decisions. Colts problem is they are no competition to what is out there. They have no "modern" semi auto pistol, and the lost the revolver market. They have ceased to be innovators, and because of that they have lost market share on all there products, and have left certain markets all together. For them to become competitive gain, they would have to close down reorganize, make new capital investment and basically start from scratch. The cant compete in any civilian market with any of their guns.

tipoc
April 13, 2013, 01:26 AM
If it wasn't voluntary it was just bad business decisions.

Yep a lot of it was just bad decisions. There have been about 100 threads on this forum alone on that topic.

Colts problem is they are no competition to what is out there. They have no "modern" semi auto pistol, and the lost the revolver market. They have ceased to be innovators, and because of that they have lost market share on all there products, and have left certain markets all together.

You, unfortunately know little about Colt. Take some time to learn.

Colt internationally and the M16

http://www.nrablog.com/post/2013/03/26/Diemaco-and-Colt-supply-Canadian-Military-in-NRAs-American-Rifleman-magazine.aspx

The 1911...

http://www.americanrifleman.org/blogs/marine-pistol-gotw/

When is the last time you visited their website? Or read an article about the steps the company has recently taken?

Interesting how many folks detest Colt yet know next to nothing about what they do or have done. They deaf to it. I ain't a gr3eat Colt fan, but true things are true and nonsense is nonsense. Colt survives and produces some excellent guns.

tipoc

tipoc
April 13, 2013, 01:57 AM
Nope Colt no longer makes da revolvers. They messed that up. They could not stay competitive in that market. You kinda got to get over that.

They are successful at what they do though...

Colt's military web site...

http://www.colt.com/ColtMilitary/Home.aspx

The Colt Manufacturing site...

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtPistols.aspx

tipoc

22-rimfire
April 13, 2013, 02:05 PM
For them to become competitive gain, they would have to close down reorganize, make new capital investment and basically start from scratch. The cant compete in any civilian market with any of their guns.

Colt can compete in the civilian market with their semi-autos.

Even if they had the capital, they would not be competitive with S&W or Ruger in the DA revolver line. Selling a few is not justification for millions of investment dollars. Would you invest a million or 10 million to help Colt?

Forget about DA revolvers and Colt. Enjoy their older pieces and move on. They really did make some great DA revolvers.

Skylerbone
April 13, 2013, 03:20 PM
The point is debatable to no end. I'm glad they made them, I'm glad they're producing quality SAs, 1911s and carbines still and I'll continue to hope for their future success as more shooters come to appreciate those products that roll out the door.

blaisenguns
April 15, 2013, 12:24 AM
When is the last time you visited their website? Or read an article about the steps the company has recently taken?

Interesting how many folks detest Colt yet know next to nothing about what they do or have done. They deaf to it. I ain't a gr3eat Colt fan, but true things are true and nonsense is nonsense. Colt survives and produces some excellent guns.


I don't detest colt, I just think they are managed poorly. Yes that is a nice 1911, but Kimber did it first, and kimber makes the same gun for cheaper. Kimber outfoxed them on one of their iconic products, how is that competitive? I love their products, they are wonderful and feature some of the best craftsmanship out there. I have been on their website, and know some of what they are doing. All they are doing is expanding offerings in certain product lines. They are not doing anything really competitive to what is already out there. They are responding to the competition, rather then being truly innovative. I know quite a bit about them, enough to know they are not competitive.

DPris
April 15, 2013, 03:24 AM
But, they're still here & they're still selling guns.
They're just not selling the guns YOU want them to sell.
So?
Get over it.
Denis

CraigC
April 15, 2013, 12:03 PM
Everybody knows what to do with the devil except the one that has him by the tail.

tipoc
April 15, 2013, 12:44 PM
I don't detest colt, I just think they are managed poorly.

No argument from me.The bosses there have made some large scale mistakes over the decades.

Yes that is a nice 1911, but Kimber did it first, and kimber makes the same gun for cheaper. Kimber outfoxed them on one of their iconic products, how is that competitive?

Kimber did that in 1996 or was it 98 when the rifle company moved from the west coast to New York started making 1911s and grabbed a significant share of the 1911 market from Colt. Kimber led the way in producing a 1911 with a lot of custom work on it as a standard model at competitive prices. Springfield followed and others as well. That's the way it's been for about 15 years now.

Colt, despite errors, stays alive. They and not Kimber or Springfield, just won the contract from the Marines. Somehow that seems competitive.

tipoc

SabbathWolf
April 15, 2013, 04:00 PM
Four pages now?
Really?
lol....

Zsnark
April 15, 2013, 08:01 PM
Yeah,

Colt, in my not so humble opinion, is riding on it's name and history. Everything they do is over-priced and not worth the $$.

Going back to the 70s and 80s, they were already doing that.

I'd love a New Model .45 or M1909; but, if the hallowed name "COLT" was stamped on it, it would probably be $1500 and I can't step up to some number like that.

Got a Python made in the 60s. It's great when I want a wheel gun. I like auto loaders now. There last effort, the 2000 (I think) was laughable. And, besides there being numerous organizations making 1911s, the vaunted 1873 is has been available from Italy for 30+ years.

One man's opinion; be well,

AAW

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