Might have hogs, want to know if I need a different .308 load.


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vincyr
April 10, 2013, 01:46 PM
Saw some disturbing tracks when I took a walk up on our back hill this last weekend. Hoof prints, about 3" long, but they were far too round to be deer. No other sign but the tracks, but I will be doing some more serious scouting this week. I might not always agree with NYDEC on all their policies, but I do agree with them 100% on the subject of feral hogs. If there are any out there, I want them gone, and will do what I can to help make them go away. Luckily, I just acquired a new .308, which will be put to work if I find any pigs. It seems to like Federal Fusion 150 grainers (first load I have had an opportunity to feed it since I brought it home, and it gave me a 1" group. Talk about luck, eh), and I was wondering if that is enough medicine for hogs, or if I should try to find something a bit heavier. I probably will find/work up a better hog load further down the road if necessary, but I would just like to know whether or not what I have right now would be sufficient if I find any pigs before then.

Also, any tips on hunting/stalking hogs would be greatly appreciated. No experience in my family with hogs outside of a barnyard. Except, if you take his word for it, my brother in law. But he is one of those guys that talks a big game, but from what I have actually seen, is kind of a lousy hunter.(Don't get me wrong, he is a decent enough guy, I just don't take any hunting advise he gives me all that seriously).

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Bio-Chem
April 10, 2013, 01:51 PM
that will be just fine for hogs. put the bullet in the right place, and you'll have a dead pig.

Blue68f100
April 10, 2013, 02:36 PM
I like a pretty hard bullet when it comes to hogs. They can be hard to bring down. Bonded good HP not so good for head shots.

heeler
April 10, 2013, 03:02 PM
I have killed some mighty large Texas feral hogs with my 243 using nothing more than your typical cup and core 100 grain bullet.
They aint Rino's.

Gunner11
April 10, 2013, 04:31 PM
I mostly use a 3030 with 180 grain cast lead bullets, or an sks, to stop them. Pigs arent actually as tough as people make them out to be. Ive killed a 150 lb (gutted weight) sow with a .22 head shot but i did feel undergunned at the time. Your 308 will do fine.

vincyr
April 10, 2013, 05:53 PM
Ok, so it sounds like I should be good, then. I know that domestic hogs are pretty tough critters. I've seen them shrug off some stuff that would have laid out a bull twice their size, and barely slow down, so I wanted to check. The only experience I have killing them was with a 20Ga slug to the brain at point blank, with their heads in a bucket of feed, which doesn't give me much practical experience to draw on for hunting bullet choice.

Also, am I correct in assuming that my priority should be to take out sows if I find an hogs, not boars. Seems to me that that should have the most impact on population growth, but this is kind of unfamiliar territory for me.

Patocazador
April 10, 2013, 05:57 PM
Almost any gun that you are proficient with will work.

As far as stalking them when there are not a lot of hogs, your best bet is forget it and use a dog to trail and bay them. I killed more hogs in one year using my Boykin spaniel than I killed total in the previous 8 years without her.

Hunterdad
April 10, 2013, 08:08 PM
Where are you in upstate?

vincyr
April 10, 2013, 09:45 PM
Southern Chenango Cty.

JoeDorn
April 10, 2013, 11:05 PM
There is an outstanding 55+ page hog hunting thread starting at:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=449721

I am subscribed to it just for fun since I don't have hogs YET...

alsaqr
April 11, 2013, 12:47 PM
A hog shot through both lungs seldom goes more than 80 yards after being hit.

Delmar
April 11, 2013, 12:55 PM
Not all that tough to kill hogs-bullet placement is what its all about just like any other animal.
If you don't reload, and your rifle will shoot them accurately, the basic 150 grain soft nose from Winchester/Remington/Federal/whatever is on sale at your local supply will do just fine. 180 grain is better if you can find them.

Don't know your local laws, but if you can shoot over bait, there are some who put together a sweet or sour mash to draw them in.

I see much bacon in your future;)

vincyr
April 11, 2013, 01:53 PM
Don't know your local laws, but if you can shoot over bait, there are some who put together a sweet or sour mash to draw them in.

Since hogs are a invasive, non-game species, baiting them is perfectly legal. However, having been born, raised, and taught to hunt in NY, baiting is not something I really feel all that comfortable with. My conditioning since I started hunting has been that baiting "just isn't how things are done". I know it might limit my success, but early training is hard to overcome sometimes. I might give it a try if I strike out on other methods, but only as a last resort.

Also, if the bait station gets found, I might need to convince DEC that it was for hogs, not deer, which could be an uphill battle. Innocent till proven guilty is not always a concept they are familiar with.

Delmar
April 11, 2013, 02:01 PM
Understood, vincyr. Wasn't sure as to your ethics when it comes to getting rid of them. I sure hope you get an early handle on taking them out. Feral hogs multiply like rats and are destructive to crops, fences and such.

Ive hunted feral hogs for the pork, and if they are eating well, turns out to be darned good bacon, ham and short ribs!

vincyr
April 11, 2013, 03:04 PM
That's the rub. I know that hogs are something that needs to be eradicated by any means necessary before they get a foothold, and that baiting is very effective to that end, but it butts up against 20 some odd years of being taught that baiting isn't right. Heck, even food plots are something of a touchy subject around here. I know that the legal and cultural prohibition against baiting is intended(and only really applies to) deer and bear, and that pigs are fair game in both senses, but is sort of a tough mental block to get past.

If I can manage to get past that, though, are there any baits/baiting techniques that would be more likely to attract pigs than deer or bear. Like I said, if DEC found(or get told about) the bait station, they would probably claim it was intended for deer or bear, and it would be up to me to prove otherwise(again, sort of contrary to the accepted norm, but that's DEC for you)

Gunner11
April 11, 2013, 04:36 PM
Kill every sow you can! that's the only way to reduce the speed at which the population grows they also taste better in my opinion to boar.
Flintknappers thread is excellent, take a tour through all 58 pages one rainy afternoon.

Delmar
April 11, 2013, 04:39 PM
Contact your local game warden and ask for advice and float whatever ideas you might have about your approach to the situation. That keeps it legal and above board, so if anything is suspect you already have someone with a badge coaching you on it.

Patocazador
April 11, 2013, 04:52 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this^

vincyr
April 11, 2013, 05:11 PM
That does make sense. I am going to need to call them if my suspicions are confirmed anyways. DEC asks that hogs be reported, to monitor spread, and I am willing to let them know. Chenango county has been listed as clear till now, but I have a sneaking suspicion that might be more to do with lack of reporting, due to a , shall we call it a less than friendly relationship between locals and DEC, since they have them in 3 out of the 5 counties around us.

G'dale Mike
April 11, 2013, 06:15 PM
Can u set up a camera, throw out some corn, and see what comes up for dinner? If it is a pig, then u can set up down wind on the trail they use however far the law states to legally harvest. Good luck

adelbridge
April 11, 2013, 06:17 PM
before you start to worry about the caliber and ethics I would stick a camera out there to see what you have. Hogs are nocturnal and you will drive yourself crazy and loose sleep far beyond the $100 cost of a decent camera. Bait up the camera location with feed corn or your kids stale cereal. We use corn to bait hogs in Texas and I have no moral objections to it. Your tone indicates concern with removing an invasive species so you have to draw a clear distinction between hunting trip or extermination. I have shot 200lb hogs with .308 and it works good and always blows through. Head or neck shots are best as they dont blood trail with thick hide and course hair.

der Teufel
April 11, 2013, 07:14 PM
I have a couple of .308 rifles. In one I use a 150 grain Hornady Interlock, their basic soft point bullet. In the other I use the same bullet but in 180 grain. I don't think hogs are so tough as to require premium bullets. Yes, you have to hit them in the right place, but that's not so different than deer.

Here's a link that shows some information on where to best place a bullet.
http://hunting.about.com/od/deerbiggame/a/wheretoshoothog.htm

Just about any standard hunting bullet shot from a .308 should work fine.

vincyr
April 14, 2013, 01:36 PM
Got out this morning and did some scouting.

Found some tracks and scat that aren't from any deer.

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb407/leafandlightning/IMG_1423.jpg

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb407/leafandlightning/IMG_1426.jpg

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb407/leafandlightning/IMG_1429.jpg

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb407/leafandlightning/IMG_1421.jpg

There is a pretty clear path that they have been using across the hilltop.

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb407/leafandlightning/IMG_1425.jpg

Didn't see any signs of rooting or wallowing, though with it being all mud up there the way the frost has been heaving I might not have noticed if there was. Gonna talk to my dad about getting a couple trailcams set up.

Patocazador
April 14, 2013, 02:33 PM
The pic of the 2nd track and the poop sure looks hoggy to me. 90% + chance that it's from hogs.

adelbridge
April 14, 2013, 02:36 PM
That's hog scat

vincyr
April 14, 2013, 02:52 PM
Just showed my dad the pics. He's convinced. Gonna dig out the trailcams and get them up tomorrow. We're looking forward to showing these pigs they don't belong here.

35 Whelen
April 14, 2013, 03:07 PM
I have killed some mighty large Texas feral hogs with my 243 using nothing more than your typical cup and core 100 grain bullet.
They aint Rino's.
Yep!

vincyr
April 23, 2013, 04:01 PM
Update:
No piggies on the trailcams, and there haven't been anymore hog-looking tracks on our hill. However, our neighbor's yard got rooted up pretty bad, and someone down the road claims to have seen a large brown pig running loose, so we don't plan on dropping our guard yet.

MCgunner
April 25, 2013, 11:11 AM
I used to load Barnes bullets thinkin' I needed more for hogs. Nope, Nosler BTs do the job well and they're just as accurate and cheaper, so that's what I shoot hogs with, too, now.

What you hunt deer with is plenty for hogs. Folks shoot elk with .308s, kinda overkill on deer and hogs, but I like mine a whole lot. :D

Delmar
April 25, 2013, 12:30 PM
I use plain old Hornady 165 grain soft points, either boat tail or flat on deer and hogs. I used to use the 150 grain but they tore up a lot of meat/pork. Accuracy is nothing to choose from out to about 300 yards between plain vanilla and the snazzy bullets-will save those for elk and such.

Hope you get a freezer full of pork!:D

T.R.
May 8, 2013, 09:22 PM
.308 is plenty of gun for hogs and bullet weight is of little concern. My daughter has taken two hogs with her .243 rifle.

TR

LeonCarr
May 8, 2013, 10:14 PM
I have killed over 100 hogs, most of them with 150 Grain Nosler Ballistic Tips from a .308.

Your Federal Fusion 150s will work fine, just put them in the right place.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

DM~
May 11, 2013, 10:52 AM
Might have hogs, want to know if I need a different .308 load.

No....

DM

Double Naught Spy
May 11, 2013, 12:44 PM
The ammo is fine. Remember that your target is inside the hog, not outside. Try to get over your ethics of baiting unless you don't bait mouse traps and the like. You aren't sport hunting. Your only real ethical issues after abiding by the law should be for making humane kills.

Oh, and hogs are not not nocturnal necessarily. They are actually diurnal and have adapted to selective nocturnalism because of hunting pressures. Several of the last hogs I have killed and most killed at my place this year have all been daylight kills.

Tommy Medlin
May 11, 2013, 01:33 PM
Yep,looks like hogs to me,especially the scat.

waffentomas
May 13, 2013, 01:24 PM
Yup, you have pigs.

Sorry to pluralize it, but they are like cockroaches, never just one around.

I shot a nice sized hog in Hawaii with a 10mm using a pulled and reloaded 200gr Black Talon. Shot him facing me, in the chest plate. It penetrated pretty deep and he never took a step.

Your 150/308 is fine.

Stop dinking around here and go shoot those bastards!

Kachok
May 13, 2013, 01:40 PM
Yep you got a piggy, go ahead and take him out before he becomes 186,000 more, they breed like rats. Your 308 will do fine, 150gr is not my first pick but the Federal Fusion is a bonded bullet so you should be fine, now if you start running across some 5" tracks upgrade to 180s quickly :D

vincyr
May 13, 2013, 04:21 PM
Update:
Hasn't been any new pig sign on our hill in weeks and nobody has mentioned seeing any recently. Maybe they were just passing through, but I don't think we are that lucky. I think they are just laying low.
The guy that my dad leases the field to just put some corn in this last weekend, so I am going to try to keep an eye on it. Gonna try head down into the state woods south of our place and scout around this weekend, too. There is something like 2000 acres of pretty heavy cover(patchwork of hemlock/pine and oak/beach), surrounded by farms on almost every side.
Also, apparently DEC decided that you can't put out bait for hogs, because it will draw deer too. So baiting is not in my playbook if I do find them.

Kachok
May 13, 2013, 04:31 PM
If you cannot use bait use diesel fuel, whatever you put the diesel on they will want to rub against to keep the bugs off.

vincyr
May 13, 2013, 05:50 PM
When I got my CDL, I had to become intimately familiar with DEC's regs on "spilling" diesel. Lets just say I would rather get caught putting out 50 lbs of corn than a pint of diesel fuel.

Kachok
May 13, 2013, 06:24 PM
That is why I miss Texas, I can dump all the corn I want to and hunt over it right in front of the game warden :D No way would I try that in Alabama.

45shooter
May 17, 2013, 01:34 PM
We shoot a lot of hogs at our property in FL as they do a lot of damage to our farm land and eat/destroy a lot of crop. Your pictures indicate you have a pig visiting your property.

We bait hogs out to the pasture using sour corn mash which is combo of feed corn, yeast, hot water, left over wine/beer and some sugar which we mix in 5 gal bucket with lid. Let it sit out in the hot sun for few days until it ferments real good. We pour the mixture on to flat containers in area where we expect to have hogs travel... preferably in open area like pasture. Two or three shooters take position about 50-100 yards away down wind in the evening and get comfortable as it could take a while for hogs to show up. We always hunt at night as hogs are mostly active after sun goes down.

As for weapons, we use AR rifles or carbine in 223/5.56 caliber with low power scope. Each rifle has attached a high output LED flashlight that puts out green light. When they show up we give them few minutes to calm down and get started on the mash. Once we light them up we start shooting until magazine goes dry or hogs make it back to the wood line. Most sounders are made of about 8 hogs but we've seen sounders of 30 hogs of all sizes.

223/5.56 will put down a hog immediately if you hit the right spot but a 7mm magnum in the wrong spot will not put them down. A double lung shot hog can and frequently do run 300+ yards before slowing down. We only shoot the head or upper neck. Hogs are tough animals but they are not tanks. Your typical 55gr or 62gr FMJ bullet will give enough penetration while light weight HP or SP may not.

If you have a sounder it will usually be a sow or two with little ones. You almost never see a sounder with a boar in the group. If you see a loner it will usually be a boar.

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