New Production 9x19 Tokarevs


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Vonderek
April 10, 2013, 06:50 PM
Interesting. Just received a new catalog from Southern Ohio Gun today and they are advertising new production Zastava M70A Tokarevs in caliber 9x19. Includes (2) 9-round magazines, serialized factory certificate, commercial box, etc. I am out of the gun market but if anyone buys one let us know how it is.

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Snowdog
April 10, 2013, 09:40 PM
I saw an ad (forget where) a month or so ago with what looked exactly like my M57s that wasn't C&R eligible and the description indicated it was recently manufactured.

I was intrigued, though not enough to buy one. I'm interested to get the skinny on that too.

bigdogpete
April 10, 2013, 10:25 PM
Looked at SOG website and it looks nice. $270. It doesn't have the goofy safety my 2 Romanian ones have.

il.bill
April 11, 2013, 01:00 AM
I am awaiting the arrival of a Zastava M70A chambered in 9x19mm Luger I purchased on GunBroker that should be at my transferring FFL dealer the end of this week. The cost will total $320 including insured USPS deliver and local transfer fee for the NIB pistol. I wanted to buy one when they were about $25 less expensive a couple of months ago, but I was short on cash and have been watching the delivered price inching up even since I bought mine last week.

I have a couple of $200 C&R eligible mil-surp Yugo M57's that are two of my favorite shooters, but the 7.62x25mm cartridges are about the same price as the .357 magnum rounds, so they can be expensive plinkers. Zastava has been exporting newly manufactured non-C&R M57's and the slightly more expensive 9x19mm M70A's that come with a factory designed slide mounted safety that is supposed to work nicely compared to the add-on frame mounted safety in the older C&R pistols.

Anyway ... I am looking forward to the new M70A and will report back once it is in hand. I understand the finish may look a bit rough, but firearms from the Serbian plant have a good reputation as far as I can tell. The slim, simple, and rugged design of the steel Tokarev style handgun is my main attraction, and 9x19mm Luger would sure let me send more lead down range for the money.

leadcounsel
April 11, 2013, 03:12 AM
I prefer the Yugo ones, with the 1911 style mounted safety, that are C&R for just recently $200.

gamestalker
April 11, 2013, 03:22 AM
I have an older Yugo one, I actually like it quite a lot. It's fairly accurate and always cycles 100%. Not a bod gun for the minimal scratch $.
GS

il.bill
April 15, 2013, 07:13 PM
I received my new Zastava M70A 9x19mm pistol and am very pleased with it. The fit and finish look good to me. The plastic stocks have some minor flaws and scratches, but the metal appears very nice inside and out. C.A.I. has a discrete (for them) import mark, although the serial number seems very prominently etched.

I have small hands and the slim single stack Tokarev design feels great, as always. As they say 'the proof of the pudding is in the tasting', and I have not yet been able to fire the pistol, but I am looking forward to running some (relatively) inexpensive 9x19mm ammo through it soon.

il.bill
April 15, 2013, 07:15 PM
Here are two more shots - the only kind of 'shots' I have taken with this pistol so far.

Prince Yamato
April 15, 2013, 09:39 PM
Some advice: do not repeatedly dry-fire your gun or you will crack your firing pin spring retaining pin. I learned the hard way...

Snowdog
April 16, 2013, 02:32 PM
I wonder if Zastava will (or currently are) going to sell barrels chambered in 9x19 for the M57.
If so, it should drop right in to M57s chambered for the 7.62x25.
I guess I'll start looking for such a thing right now.

nathan
April 16, 2013, 06:15 PM
How is the lockup on the barrel and bushing? HOw are your groups at 7-10 20 yds?

firesky101
April 16, 2013, 06:23 PM
I wonder if Zastava will (or currently are) going to sell barrels chambered in 9x19 for the M57.
If so, it should drop right in to M57s chambered for the 7.62x25.
I guess I'll start looking for such a thing right now.
It will also take a barrel bushing to complete the conversion.

Snowdog
April 16, 2013, 06:51 PM
It will also take a barrel bushing to complete the conversion.

Ah, I hadn't thought about that. You are correct sir.

I doubt they'll offer a "conversion kit" unless they could make it a heck of a profit from them since it would cut into their 9mm M57 market. One can dream....

InkEd
April 16, 2013, 11:49 PM
AIM or J&G have them too. IIRC for less $$$$.

Shadow 7D
April 17, 2013, 01:41 AM
Yeah, now if someone would bring in the rest, you can look them up on the Zastava site, they host an english version.... I really would like to get a Mauser Carbine (Mitchels imports them but... it's Mitchels Mausers and I wouldn't piss on that shill to put him out, he gives humpers a bad rep, and humping a rifles is BAD)

Anywho, look up Zastava, (google will do it) and check them out, would really like a Baby (M70, but different gun) Tok in .32, they were imported in the mid? 80's

george12
May 5, 2013, 01:35 PM
I really like the m57 design, in general. Just received my new model, not C&R. Safety is on the slide and for me harder to operate. Definitely not "butter smooth". The whole gun is a bit gritty. Might just be the gun I received and could cure itself with a little use. I have not had a chance to fire it. I like the older safety design and that type of action is not a problem for me. Certainly is easier to use. The new gun does not have the "half cock" feature. My opinion, as of today, I like to older model better. On the old 1-10 scale, I would give it a 7. As the Zen Master said "we will see".

PabloJ
May 5, 2013, 01:44 PM
Has anyone shot JHP's through one? I bet 2 to 3 stoppages per magazine-full just like with my Factory 66 Model 213. I will say it was super reliable and plenty accurate with ball ammo.

kerreckt
May 5, 2013, 02:33 PM
I have a Norinco model 213 which is a 9x19 Tokarev and it is an accurate dependable pistol. It came with another barrel and is interchangeable with 7.62x25. I haven't shot it in a while and now feel like taking it out.

jhb
May 5, 2013, 07:36 PM
I have 4 tokarev pistols, a romanian, a polish, a yugo, and a modern made m57. While all mine are 7.62x25, I can say the new version m57 I have has a weird slide mounted safedty and to turn it off you have to raise it up, not thumb it down, so to me its more of a safety you use after firing a couple rounds....not a carry loaded ready to shoot safety. The new version is also very gritty and sloppy in fit and finish, but it shoots fine and I expect it will wear in over time like my old ones.

I love the tok round, and I love the tok pistol, hence why I have so many......but not sure id want one in 9mm, except for a range toy.

amd6547
May 6, 2013, 08:08 AM
I bought one of the new M57A's in 7.62x25, and I have to say, I love it.
Mine is not "gritty"...after clean and lube and 100rds at the range, it is very smooth. I shot 70rds of Romanian surplus, and 30rds of S&B commercial FMJ...not a single failure.
I find the slide mounted safety to be easy to use...it is long enough to flip off with a firing grip. I would have no problem carrying this pistol cocked and locked, though I wish Zastava had kept the half cock of the original design.
Dans Ammo has Yugo mags, and I ordered up two for spares.
The finish is very nice and well polished. After having owned several surplus Toks, I have to say that the new Zastava is certainly the best. Mine has a three digit serial...000070X
I agree with jhb...a 9mm Tok dosn't hold much interest for for me. Part of the joy of shooting the Tok is the hot, flat shooting Tokarev round.
I have shot Toks out to 100yds...basically, if I can see it, I can hit it.
I have a sealed can of Romanian...I sure hope some ammo comes in, I don't want to open that can.
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/amd6547/DSC02309_zps8a5a1240.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/amd6547/media/DSC02309_zps8a5a1240.jpg.html)

ozarkgunner
May 10, 2013, 03:00 AM
So is it illegal to have a Tok without an import safety on it? I've seen some advertised in magazines that don't appear to have one. They say they are C&R eligible.

Flyboy73
May 10, 2013, 04:50 AM
So is it illegal to have a Tok without an import safety on it? I've seen some advertised in magazines that don't appear to have one. They say they are C&R eligible.

They needed to add the safety to import them. The surplus ones that have been imported recently had them added on. While the M70A came from the factory with a safety installed. There are some Toks over here without the safety, mostly Vet bring backs.

Brion

Caliper_RWVA
May 11, 2013, 07:49 AM
Maybe guns imported before the 1968 GCA and the stupid "sporting purpose" clause?

Janos Dracwlya
May 12, 2013, 02:12 PM
A point of curiosity on these new 9mm Tokarevs: do they use the same frame as the 7.62mm Toks? I'm asking because my wife needs a 9mm that will fit her hands and the long frame from the 7.62x25 is too long for her. Her hands have a fairly broad palm, but her fingers are short, meaning that she just can't find a full-sized gun - double or single stack - that fits her. The exception is in guns with shorter case lengths - her 9x18mm Makarov is a perfect fit for her.

PabloJ
May 12, 2013, 03:12 PM
Yes. The Chinese one I used had metal piece welded into magazine space necessitating use of shorter magazines. The Serbian ones probably do not use such spacer and are made using same frame as .30cal ones. I would not worry too much since they fit small hand well as is and plenty of grip panel can be removed further making grip area even smaller.

Jaymo
May 12, 2013, 03:18 PM
I'd like to have a couple of the Yugos in 7.62x25, and a boatload of spare mags.

PabloJ
May 12, 2013, 03:36 PM
I'd like to have a couple of the Yugos in 7.62x25, and a boatload of spare mags.
You can now buy one with slide mounted safety like that found on Walther PP. These Serbian TTs are still made the old fashioned way.

bigdogpete
May 12, 2013, 10:49 PM
You can now buy one with slide mounted safety like that found on Walther PP. These Serbian TTs are still made the old fashioned way.
Sorry if I am missing something here.

What do you mean the old fashion way? I keep looking at the M70A's and the safety is on the slide. Did the original Yugo tok have the safety on the slide? All of the pictures of the Serbian M70A's I see have slide safeties. The safety on my Romanian toks have the add on safeties and the M70A's look nothing like the Romanian's.

Snowdog
May 12, 2013, 11:16 PM
Heck, being familiar with the 1911, I actually like the frame-mounted safety on the Zastava M57.

jhb
May 13, 2013, 12:35 AM
@bigdog pete...the older, aka surplus m57s have the 1911 style safety, and the factory aka zastava engineered and modified them, themselves at the factory. The new production m57 and m70 have the slide safety...also engineered by zastava and made that way from the factory. The romanian and polish etc that century imports, meaning the surplus pistols all have the crappy added by various subcontracots working for century safeties by the trigger area.

The old fashioned way I think he means in serbia, zastava still makes the pistols the old fasioned way, more than the safeties. although I don't know if that is true or not? I got no idea, but id bet there is some modern cnc machines and such in use at zastava, but like I said, I got no idea?

bigdogpete
May 13, 2013, 08:15 PM
Heck, being familiar with the 1911, I actually like the frame-mounted safety on the Zastava M57.
Snowdog,
I am thinking about getting one of these new M70A Toks with the slide safety and was hoping someone would chime on what they thought about the safety.

Thanks,

bigdog

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