Poland to hang tough - Chides Spain


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Baba Louie
March 15, 2004, 06:37 PM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1098267/posts?page=1

'Twould appear that the Poles are going to hang with us or hang with us.

BRUSSELS, Belgium (Reuters) -- Poland has vowed not to pull troops out of Iraq because of "terrorist" attacks and said it was willing to remain in command of a stabilisation force there if Spain, which had been due to take over, withdrew.

Spain was due to take command of 9,000 troops in central Iraq on July 1, but that was thrown into doubt on Monday when Socialist Prime Minister-elect Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said he could bring home the Spanish 1,300 troops currently there.

"Revising our positions on Iraq after terrorists attacks would be to admit that terrorists are stronger and that they are right (to pursue attacks)," Prime Minister Leszek Miller told a news conference in the Polish town of Tarnow.

Zapataro's Sunday election victory was attributed in large part to a voter backlash against the previous government's support for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq last year.

Many Spaniards blame last week's Madrid train bombings, which killed 200 people, on Spain's backing for the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Poland has 2,400 troops in Iraq and has led a 9,000-strong division of troops from 24 nations in a central-south zone since last September.

"If it is necessary, we will continue leading the multinational division," Polish Ambassador to NATO Jerzy M. Nowak told Reuters in Brussels. "We are prepared for that even if Spain is not able to fulfil its promise."

He said Warsaw would be prepared to stay in command of the division until the end of this year but would probably need NATO support to generate the right forces and provide essential equipment such as communications.

"We probably would again ask NATO for some assistance with force generation," Nowak said.

"The real problem would be what to do with the loss of one of the best troop contingents: 1,300 soldiers of very high class which had specific duties vis-a-vis the small contingents from Central America," he added, referring to troop contributions from Central Honduras, Salvador and the Dominican Republic.

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4v50 Gary
March 15, 2004, 06:40 PM
Hurrah for Poland. The gallant people of Poland gave us the Soldarity Movement which brought down the Commies in East Europe and ultimately the Soviet Union. They're better allies than some of our charter "Nato" allies.

SAG0282
March 15, 2004, 06:45 PM
Nicely done Poland!

Range Ninja
March 15, 2004, 07:08 PM
It's nice to know there are some countries that will fight the good fight rather than bow down to their enemies like Spain.:fire:

RatFink
March 15, 2004, 07:18 PM
I've allways wondered the source of "Pollack"jokes, I've never seen anything bad or stupid come from them. Hell during the months following the Normandy invasion it could be argued that they were a big part of what kept Montgomery's piece of the war from failing. Thier troops were far more effective than the Canadians or Brits (No disrespect to either of those peoples). Thier history show them to be people with a lot of courage and strength, and thier willingness, in fact desire to be a part of those that are fighting terror at this time in history just solidifies that image in my mind.

BowStreetRunner
March 15, 2004, 07:28 PM
right on, pollack jokes should be replaced with frog jokes
go poland!
BSR

Declaration Day
March 15, 2004, 08:09 PM
Makes me proud of my heritage. By the way, I don't mind the jokes. If I couldn't laugh at myself, I would have no right to laugh at anyone else!;)

Dave Bean
March 15, 2004, 09:10 PM
I'm certainly not going to tell anymore Polish jokes. They've completely won my respect when they joined us.

As for the Spainards. They've just proven that terrorism works. I think there will be more bombings by AQ in Spain. And ETA has learned a good lesson too. ETA will probably step it up too. So sad.

Dave Bean

warmi
March 16, 2004, 12:04 AM
"wondered the source of "Pollack"jokes,"

From what I understand it was somehow related to the fact that early 20 century immigrants from Poland were mostly composed of uneducated and rather "simple" country people.

Mulliga
March 16, 2004, 12:59 AM
"Polish" jokes? - new to me. I thought Polish people were fairly well-accepted in modern America.

Nice to see people display some backbone. I'm not the biggest fan of the war, but electing Socialists in Spain after a terrorist bombing was probably the dumbest thing Spain could do. They deserve whatever fate they get. :rolleyes:

AZRickD
March 16, 2004, 01:25 AM
I don't recall hearing a pollack joke in something like 20 years.

Maybe it was Lech Walesa and "Solidarnose."

There's power in finally removing the Yoke of Tyranny from one's neck that changes perceptions, both inside and out.

Rick

c_yeager
March 16, 2004, 04:57 AM
I think Poland has been stepped on enough to realize that you don't get anywhere by allowing people to push you around.

Spain on the other hand has the distinction of remain NEUTRAL even when the rest of Europe was being burned down by the Nazis. They have never been any kind 'ally' to us or anyone else but themselves.

cracked butt
March 16, 2004, 05:11 AM
God Bless the Poles. They get it.

:cool:

Iain
March 16, 2004, 07:48 AM
That's a bit harsh c_yeager, Spain had just come out of a very very bloody civil war that a fascist dictator had won. Spain would only have been another country for us all to fight had they joined in, and their soldiers would have been as enthusiastic for it all as the Italians were. They were, under Aznar, a big help in the lead up to the latest Iraq war.

As for Poland, good. I hope my country sticks with it all too.

c_yeager
March 16, 2004, 07:51 AM
That's a bit harsh c_yeager, Spain had just come out of a very very bloody civil war that a fascist dictator had won.

Didnt that particular 'civil war' stand out as a war that was fought largely by NON Spanish people? And your right, the Spanish people would have been just as happy fighting US as being neutral. I wonder if it ever even occured to them to fight the Nazis.

Iain
March 16, 2004, 08:03 AM
It was a messy civil war, that yes did involve a lot of foreigners. The Luftwaffe did Guernika, the Russians were there, Orwell was there, Americans were there too.

Spent a bit of time in Spain in the last few years and have learned a few things. Firstly for many Spaniards the war is not over, there was an attempted coup in 1982 by some of the army, the present king was selected by Franco to be his successor (although he was hiding his love of constitutional monarchy very well) etc. Went to a town called Ronda in January, pretty town divided by a deep river gorge with a fantastic bridge. Above the arch of the bridge but below the road is a room, it was used as a prison during the civil war, the preferred method of execution was to throw the prisoners out of the window. Also went to the Alpujarra's where the remote residents only contact with the war was when either Nationalists or Republicans troops pulled up and executed a few locals for their 'crimes'.

Under Franco things were not allowed to 'occur' to people. If you were Basque or Catalan it was not allowed for it to occur to you to speak in your own language or follow your local customs. A friend of mine grandfather spent quite a bit of time in prison during these years. Spanish people are reputed to be short, but the people my age are tall - the older generation was malnourished. I think economists refer to the post-Franco economy as the 'Spanish miracle'. But Spain still has a way to go.

Adam
March 16, 2004, 05:08 PM
Hello from Warsaw!
Spanish declarations are very dangerous for us. It's like clear message for Al Kaida - try it again it's working. We are next country on the list, but we are as ready as we can be. I pray for our safety, but even the worst scenario can't change our course. Kick the Pole in the junk, and he will hit you in the face two times harder...no second Spain for sure. We are together, and we will be. Only during the trouble times you can find out who is your real ally. God bless America and God bless Poland. I hope I will become with my family a part of your great country some day...

fix
March 16, 2004, 05:16 PM
No surprise at all. Poland is a nation of warriors much like us.

Baba Louie
March 16, 2004, 05:18 PM
Kick the Pole in the junk, and he will hit you in the face two times harder RIGHT ON!
I hope I will become with my family a part of your great country some day Sounds like you're already one of us. Or maybe we're part of the same brotherhood in that fashion.

Now, if we could just infect the Democratic party with the same ferver.

Checkman
March 16, 2004, 05:20 PM
The Poles fought in 39, but they were invaded by the Germans in the west and the Russians in the East and because of their location their was no way England or France (hah!) could of come to their assistance. Nevertheless the Poles fought and continued to fight even though their country was occuppied. Good for Poland!

Now Spain - well whether they believe it or not the Spanish people have given a victory to the terrorists - very foolish. Very good chance we're going to see more attacks in other nations this year, possibly just before a general election is held. Didn't Munich teach us anything? Appeasing one's enemy is just ensuring that there is going to be more violence - not less.

Actually my wife has been speculating that perhaps elements of the Socialist Party (extremeists I supposse) assisted the terrorists. You never know. :scrutiny:

Eskimo Jim
March 16, 2004, 05:28 PM
Three cheers and lots of thank yous to Poland. The US should do more to recognize and reward Poland for taking a stand with us.

Spain, do you really want to be lumped in with the French? To give in to the terrorists is repugnant. Whether the terrorist acts were conducted by the Basque seperatists or Al Queda, is irrelevent now. Any group that wants something from the Spanish government just has to blow something up and the government will concede. What a shame.

-Jim

LynnMassGuy
March 16, 2004, 05:44 PM
Poland rules. I hope with all my heart that we never leave their asses hanging in the wind when they need us.

Selfdfenz
March 16, 2004, 06:36 PM
GB'em, each and every one.
S-

WilderBill
March 16, 2004, 07:14 PM
During WWII, Franco asked Hitler if Spain could have North Africa if they joined the Axis.
Hitler replied that he had already promised that to Italy.
If not for that one exchange, Spain would have fought for the Axis.

Now, as has been pointed out, they, or at least the socialists, have given al-Qaeda a victory greater than they ever imagined.
At the same time the stock market, mostly in Europe has fallen, hurting all of the western economy.

Somehow, I had an image of the Spainish as being more macho than French.

greyhound
March 16, 2004, 08:13 PM
Personally, I hope we consider our allies a little more carefully now, post Cold War and 9/11.

Some of our traditional allies (like France and Germany) are now more like trading partners (not really enemies but not allies either).

The old Soviet-bloc countries like Poland and Bulgaria seem much more in tune with the US.

Russia remains a big question mark.

Canada, Britian, Australia, are still allies, though I don't like their anti-self defense laws (or Canada's stance on Iraq, though they are still in Afghanistan.)

One more point: the lesson of Spain shows that an ally can change in a heartbeat depending on an election.

fmjcafe
March 16, 2004, 08:32 PM
I`ve got to wonder, if AQ sets off more bombs in Spain because they are infidels, will they all rush to convert to Islam?

Rascal
March 17, 2004, 12:08 AM
Quote from Adam
"Hello from Warsaw!
Spanish declarations are very dangerous for us. It's like clear message for Al Kaida - try it again it's working. We are next country on the list, but we are as ready as we can be. I pray for our safety, but even the worst scenario can't change our course. Kick the Pole in the junk, and he will hit you in the face two times harder...no second Spain for sure. We are together, and we will be. Only during the trouble times you can find out who is your real ally. God bless America and God bless Poland. I hope I will become with my family a part of your great country some day..."

Hello Adam,
God Bless you and your countrymen. It's good to see that there are others that will fight the good fight.

Carlos
March 17, 2004, 01:37 AM
Greetings Adam. I'm glad you're with us.

Greg Bell
March 17, 2004, 01:41 AM
Adam,

God bless you and your brave countrymen. If all of Europe had your country's courage terrorism would already be a matter of history. Seriously, thank you.


Greg

BowStreetRunner
March 17, 2004, 11:01 AM
Right on Adam
BSR

Il Duce
March 17, 2004, 01:11 PM
Dziêkujê Polska!!!!

Makes me proud to be of Polish heritage. Thanks for the good word, Adam. Hope you can make it to the good ol' USA soon. I'd like to make a trip to Poland myself sometime. :D

Dziêkujê Polska!!!


Il Duce

I think I'm going to get a tattoo of the Polish flag...:p

Sergeant Bob
March 17, 2004, 01:26 PM
Thanks for the support Adam! You're more American than alot of the so-called citizens over here.
Hope you get your visa and get over here. If you do and open that restaurant (?) you were talking about, make sure you bring in some of that Polish beer! That's some pretty good stuff!

Adam
March 17, 2004, 04:40 PM
Thank you friends. It's good to be here on THR. If you never saw a real Poland, please visit www.glocktalk.com and find a thread posted by axel - "Who's with me? To Poland we go! ". You probably know that Poland is poor and proud country in the Eastern part of Europe, but you will find that quite beautiful also...

Grayrider
March 17, 2004, 04:51 PM
When I was working briefly in the Pentagon a few years back, Poland was getting ready to join NATO. We were having some trouble with the Serbs at the time, and not every NATO country (read France) was willing to do their part to help out. Poland was not only willing but eager to do anything we needed. The Polish defense atache was continually expressing his support for America, and wanted to do anything he could to assist us. I was quite impressed. The message I got was clear--we helped liberate Poland from communism by bringing down the USSR, and they wanted to be there for us whenever we needed them. One would think France could learn something from that. I won't tell you how they acted--you can guess.

I will always hold the Polish armed forces in great respect. Those guys (such as the GROM teams) are top notch, and I think the future will show that we have a great ally in Poland when times are tough. I also should say that some other Eastern European countries may act in a very similar fashion when they get the chance. Keep an eye on those former Warsaw Pact states. They know evil when they see it, and many will fight to stop it.

GR

fix
March 18, 2004, 02:01 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=1514&u=/afp/20040318/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_poland_weapons_040318165536&printer=1 :(

Edward429451
March 18, 2004, 02:26 PM
Short lived...

No, they're not pulling troops out or withdrawing their alliance with the US. Merely stating that they know they were lied to, big difference.

We as American citizens do the same thing pretty much, except the sheeple. This simply indicates that the poles are not sheeple. Yay Poland.

"Polish chicks make great wives":cool:

mercedesrules
March 18, 2004, 02:29 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=4&u=/ap/20040318/ap_on_re_eu/poland_iraq

Earlier in the day, Kwasniewski said Poland may start withdrawing its troops from Iraq early next year, months earlier than the previously stated date of mid-2005.

... I also feel uncomfortable due to the fact that we were misled with the information on weapons of mass destruction,

MR

Edward429451
March 18, 2004, 02:55 PM
Whoops, comprehension brain fart?:o

At any rate, the fact that they are considering pulling out is stated to be due to the fact that they know they were lied to and because of any terrorist threats or attacks. Who can really blame anyone for not wanting to be friends anymore after they realize they were lied to, hmm?

Poles are thinking people and I respect that. If they do pull out it won't be a knee jerk reaction to a terr attack like Spain.

warmi
March 18, 2004, 03:14 PM
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"Naturally, one may protest the reasons for the war action in Iraq. I personally think that today, Iraq without Saddam Hussein is a truly better Iraq than with Saddam Hussein," Kwasniewski told the European reporters.

We are facing the same threat as Spain," Kwasniewski said, but "terrorism must be combatted, also with force."

Kwasniewski is a key Bush ally in Europe, although support for the military presence in Iraq has been far from overwhelming among Poles.

A poll last week found 42 percent of adults in favor and 53 percent opposed. The CBOS survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

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That is a far cry from 90% opposed as it is the case in places like Spain or France.
What are the figures for US these days ?

Adam
March 18, 2004, 03:48 PM
President Aleksander Kwasniewski said Thursday Poland, a staunch supporter of last year's U.S.-led war on Iraq, felt misled into believing that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
He said, however, that he believed the U.S.-led intervention had turned Iraq into a better place and that Poland had no intention of pulling out its troops there.

"I believe...that Iraq today, without Saddam Hussein, is a much better place than Iraq with Saddam Hussein," Kwasniewski told a news conference.

"Of course I feel a certain discomfort that we were misled about weapons of mass destruction," he said.

Kwasniewski said Poland could not verify information about Saddam's suspected weapons, which have not been found in Iraq despite efforts by the occupying U.S. forces, but had no choice but to believe that the threat had been real.

"We have to treat as a potential threat not only the fact of weapons of mass destruction, but also a certain aura that such weapons could be there," said Kwasniewski, blaming weak intelligence by anti-Saddam allies.

Poland's role in Iraq, where it now controls a stabilization zone, has irked European heavyweights Germany and France ahead of the post-communist state's European Union accession in May.

Kwasniewski's remarks signal Poland's growing discomfort at being involved in Iraq after Spain's incoming socialist government pledged to pull the country out of Iraq in the wake of deadly bomb attacks in Madrid on March 11.

"We are facing the same threat as Spain," Kwasniewski said, but "terrorism must be combatted, also with force."

Kwasniewski is a key Bush ally in Europe, although support for the military presence in Iraq has been far from overwhelming among Poles.

A poll last week found 42 percent of adults in favor and 53 percent opposed. The CBOS survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Now I'm sure it's political game. Kwasniewski promised Poles a hard fight for visas. He returned to Poland with nothing some time ago. Read beetwen the lines. It's looks like he want something from President Bush IMO. I really want to make a move. I'm tired of our leaders too...Now take it easy, Poland will stay in Iraq. It's just a game

Adam
March 18, 2004, 04:53 PM
Little updated information:
WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland, a key U.S. ally in Iraq, admitted on Thursday it felt misled into believing Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction but vowed not to follow Spain's example by pulling troops out of the country.

President Aleksander Kwasniewski defended Poland's decision to break ranks with Germany and France and side with the United States over Iraq, telling a group of European reporters that Iraqis deserved to be freed of Saddam.

"I believe... that Iraq today, without Saddam Hussein, is a much better place than Iraq with Saddam Hussein," Kwasniewski said.

But he stunned his audience by openly saying what many pro-U.S. officials only dare say in private about the main justification for the war.

"Of course I feel a certain discomfort that we were misled about weapons of mass destruction," he said.

No such weapons have been found since U.S.-led forces deposed Saddam in April last year.

The timing of his remarks could upset Washington, coming soon after Spain's incoming Socialist government pledged to pull its troops out of Iraq in the wake of deadly bomb attacks in Madrid on March 11.

A senior Polish diplomat insisted Kwasniewski's remarks should not be interpreted as any weakening of Poland's resolve to see things through in Iraq, where coalition troops come under daily attack from insurgents.

"His statement by no means indicates that our alliance with the U.S. is weakening," the diplomat said.

GROWING DOUBTS?

Poland, the biggest ex-communist country joining the European Union in May, is a staunch U.S. ally.

It has steadfastly defended NATO's role in European security and risked the wrath of France and Germany by backing the military campaign launched nearly a year ago that ousted Saddam.
Unlike in many other European countries, Polish public opinion was initially in favor of intervening in Iraq.

And many Poles were proud the United States picked the former Warsaw Pact stalwart to run one of the stabilization zones there.

But continued violence in Iraq has dented support for the mission and some right-wing and populist parties have raised their voices in demanding that troops be pulled back.

Poland's discomfort also grew when the incoming Spanish government signaled it was going to adopt the French and German line on Iraq, leaving Poland more isolated ahead of a crucial EU summit next week.

Stoney
March 18, 2004, 07:10 PM
Adam
My respects to you and your nation.

Adam
March 19, 2004, 02:24 AM
The President of Poland has just denounced the information of AFP correspodent that "Poland was misled by coalition partners regarding the WMD in Iraq". During his special press conferance he said that the french correspondent gave false translation of his words and misled the public opinion of the world. The President of Polandd actually said that "all the information about the Iraqi chemical weapon that we gathered turned out to be misleading and incomplete".
:)

Hedger
March 19, 2004, 02:33 AM
Hurrah for Poland and the Poles! They stepped up for freedom during WWII and many of their gallant pilots fought and died in the skies over England and France... They deserve a big salute!

:D

warmi
March 19, 2004, 02:44 AM
Yeah, I just read about it.
I believe it was something about "over interpretation"...

I bet you won't see that in the main press tomorrow though ...
Stuff like that does make for an interesting story.

RatFink
March 19, 2004, 03:32 AM
The President of Poland has just denounced the information of AFP correspodent that "Poland was misled by coalition partners regarding the WMD in Iraq". During his special press conferance he said that the french correspondent gave false translation of his words and misled the public opinion of the world. The President of Polandd actually said that "all the information about the Iraqi chemical weapon that we gathered turned out to be misleading and incomplete".


Where does this come from? do you have a link? because if it's true that a French translator gave a false translation, that's a pretty big story.

Adam
March 19, 2004, 08:04 AM
Statement of the Chancellery of the President of the Republic of Poland from the site : http://www.polandembassy.org/

Due to misinterpretations pertaining to the President’s remarks given during his meeting with the press on March 18, 2004, the Chancellery of the President of the Republic of Poland has been authorized to issue the following:

1. The essence of the President’s message in his remarks to the press on March 18, 2004 has been a restated presentation of reasons and purposes of Polish involvement in the process of stabilization and democratization of Iraq. “Iraq today, without Saddam Hussein is truly a better Iraq than with Saddam Hussein” the President said. He also warned of political decisions, which would lead to destabilization of the situation in Iraq. Poland will not withdraw from Iraq until the mission of stabilization is successfully accomplished and counts on effective cooperation with the United States, Great Britain, Spain and other NATO and UN member states.

2. The President of the Republic of Poland reminded that Saddam Hussein misled the world in believing that he had had the weapons of mass destruction and might use them. This was the essential reason to take up the mission in Iraq within a common strategy of a multinational coalition in the war on terrorism.

3. The President of the Republic of Poland stated that a decisive factor in fighting terrorism is to maintain unity and solidarity by democratic states. Demonstration of weakness in the face of terrorist attacks aims at the foundations of democracy and security of all nations and world peace.

Baba Louie
March 19, 2004, 09:21 AM
The President of the Republic of Poland reminded that Saddam Hussein misled the world in believing that he had had the weapons of mass destruction and might use them. This was the essential reason to take up the mission in Iraq within a common strategy of a multinational coalition in the war on terrorism. Oh My God.
Do you mean to tell me that it wasn't GWB that said Iraq had WMD, it was the acual leader of Iraq? Surely thats a mistake. All I hear about here is that our President said that, never ever have I read or heard anything in our media that SH claimed to have them, only that GWB lied about them having them so he could get American's killed while siphoning out all of Iraq's precious black gold for his own personal gain.
Adam, I thank you, yet again. And I thank your people and your leaders, still yet again.

Amazing. Someone should tell the American press.

fix
March 19, 2004, 12:04 PM
That's a relief. I thought the Poles had gone soft for a minute there. That would have been a first for me.

RatFink
March 19, 2004, 02:26 PM
Adam, I've searched all over for that info about the French reporter mis-translating what the President of Poland said, if you could find a link to that I would be grateful.

Malone LaVeigh
March 19, 2004, 03:32 PM
Read between the lines. Poland wanted to send a signal to Washington not to lie to them anymore. The French reporter took it a little bit farther than they expected, and they had to backpedal. The Polish Prez has his own political life to consider, after all. With a majority of his people opposing Polish involvement, all of that talk about Saddam comes across as propaganda for his own political purposes.

fix
March 19, 2004, 03:45 PM
With a majority of his people opposing Polish involvement

Source?

Adam
March 19, 2004, 05:00 PM
Adam, I've searched all over for that info about the French reporter mis-translating what the President of Poland said, if you could find a link to that I would be grateful.

I found it in Polish, but I will do what I can to find a link in English.

For now:

WARSAW (Reuters) - President Bush urged Poland Friday not to waver in its commitment to Iraq, saying pulling troops out would not guarantee protection from terrorism.


Bush told Poland's President Aleksander Kwasniewski: "Those who are pulling out, showing their weakness, are very naive to expect to be guaranteed safety and be spared of terrorist attacks," a statement from Kwasniewski's press office said.

"Be sure, they will attack the weak," Bush was quoted as telling Kwasniewski during a 20-minute telephone conversation.

No country was mentioned by name, but Bush's reported remarks come days after Spain's new Socialist leaders pledged to pull troops out of Iraq in the wake of the Madrid bombings.

Kwasniewski reassured Bush that Warsaw was committed to maintaining its military presence in Iraq, a day after he raised eyebrows by suggesting Poland had been "misled" over Saddam Hussein's supposed weapons of mass destruction.

Poland, one of Bush's key allies in Europe, controls one of four stabilization zones in Iraq and has deployed 2,400 troops in its biggest military operation abroad since World War II.

"We will be in Iraq as long as it takes to reach our goal, plus one more day," Kwasniewski's statement said.

Thursday Kwasniewski told reporters that Iraq was a better place without Saddam, but added: "Of course I feel a certain discomfort that we were misled about weapons of mass destruction."

His Friday statement said that comment had not been aimed against Washington, but simply noted that Saddam's suspected weapons, a main justification for the war, had not been found.

"This was not a complaint by Poland against the U.S., it was not the Polish president complaining about anyone," it said.

"It was simply a statement of the fact that the services and institutions of our government, secret and open, working together on behalf of our governments, did not provide information that was confirmed once we entered Iraq."

Poland has steadfastly defended NATO's role in European security and risked the wrath of France and Germany by backing the military campaign launched a year ago that ousted Saddam.

Unlike in many other European countries, public opinion in Poland was initially in favor of intervening in Iraq.

But continued violence in Iraq has dented support for the mission and some right-wing and populist parties have demanded that troops be withdrawn.
:)
Enjoy...
http://www.polandembassy.org/Virtual_Tour/content.htm

Adam
March 19, 2004, 06:06 PM
I can't find it in English, but here is a link to Polish well respected newspaper 's site about it:

http://serwisy.gazeta.pl/wyborcza/1,34513,1975967.html

Tymczasem Kancelaria Prezydenta RP og³osi³a w czwartek ko³o po³nocy oswiadczenie, wydane "wobec komentarzy i nadinterpretacji dotycz¹cych wypowiedzi Prezydenta RP w czasie jego spotkan z prasa w dniu 18 bm".

Wrzawa woko³ oswiadczenia polskiego prezydenta powsta³a czêsciowo dlatego, ¿e przesz³o ono dwukrotne t³umaczenie. Amerykanie wzieli je z serwisu francuskiej agencji AFP, w rezultacie slowa "zwodzono nas" zosta³y przetlumaczone jako "we were taken for a ride", co znaczy dos³ownie: "nabrano nas".

W takiej, mocniejszej wersji wypowiedz Kwasniewskiego cytuje Krugman.


Most imortant part is something like this:

Translation was made first to French by French media (AFP) and then (from French) to English by Americans, and it absolutely changed the meaning of the Kwasniewski's words (in Polish).

Quick Draw McGraw
March 19, 2004, 06:23 PM
Adam, I just went to the polandembassy.org link that you posted previously and the statement was right there. Maybe it wasn't up there before or something...

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