Body Armor - Rifle Protection


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thriftyjoe
April 12, 2013, 04:02 PM
Hey guys I recently bought this from Security Pro USA and I'm very satisfied I thought I would share my experience,

Link to the page is at the bottom of my post.

I looked around for a while this seems like the best bang for the buck in Rifle protection Body Armor. Most guys are spending this amont or more for a Level IIIA vest which only stop pistol rounds, this for $499 stops Rifle rounds front and back, it's heavy so not ideal to wear all the time, however, I keep it in the trunk of my car and if **** hits the fan I have quick Level IV protection without the need of soft armor.

What do ya'll think?

http://www.securityprousa.com/shooters-special.html

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Shadow 7D
April 12, 2013, 04:29 PM
Um... why???

barneyrw
April 12, 2013, 05:10 PM
Like he said, a SHTF situation.

Shadow 7D
April 12, 2013, 05:15 PM
Right, we don't do SHTF here (High Road)

highorder
April 12, 2013, 05:16 PM
Armor is uncomfortable. I wear it as little as possible.

I don't think I'd ever spend my own money on any, especially as a blue-moon precaution?

No thanks.

toiville2feathers
April 12, 2013, 06:01 PM
By the time you get to your car, put on your armor plate, get back to the SHTF location the ball will be over, and your dance card will be empty. Although it may come in handy when the cops come and see this dude walking around in body armor and holding a gun.
GO FOR IT!!!!

thriftyjoe
April 12, 2013, 06:05 PM
we'll if I'm shooting my rifle in a sheepdog situation, there is a high probability of return fire, High Road is to be protected, I'm only 2 blocks away from my kids school and in the unlikely event something goes down there it's in my best interest to be protected from return fire. This is not a **** hit the fan scenario unfortunately. P.S regular cops only wear Soft Armor and are not protected from Rifle threats.

jeepnik
April 12, 2013, 06:19 PM
Right, we don't do SHTF here (High Road)

Okay, no SHTF, I can accept that. But, then again, it might be nice on a really really bad day.

thriftyjoe
April 12, 2013, 07:22 PM
Yes, if you shoot, you should be protected to that caliber, especially at the range, all different types of folks experimenting with firearms perhaps for the first time.

armoredman
April 12, 2013, 08:23 PM
Ceramic protects against one hit, I believe, then it is broken. Steel doesn't break. The link you provide shows the plates you use to be 7.5 pounds each - the same weight of the steel AR 500 plates from http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php .

I have this setup, the "Urban Go", pretty close to what you have with a cheaper carrier, (I think), and pouches/holster that came with it. It is on sale for $210 right now, complete with everything shown

http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29906

From the website, Rating: AR500 Armor Trauma Plates are stand alone, multi-hit capable, and bench tested to the same armor rating as Type III. Type III Armor will defeat rifles rounds up to 7.62x51/.308 @ 2780 ft/s.

dmazur
April 13, 2013, 01:06 AM
OK, if THR doesn't do SHTF, why is this continuing?

(I mean, if this is Gecko45 resurfacing after all these years, it will at least be amusing. But if it isn't, it's kind of going down the wrong path...?)

Ron James
April 13, 2013, 02:03 AM
And as Shadow7 posted, Why??? A meteorite might hit the world next week, but I'm not going out back and dig a hole.:D Good grief Louise. ah, Now I remember, Gecko45, the mall ninja, yes he was funny, but also scary, I always wonder if he was serious.

JohnBT
April 13, 2013, 09:03 AM
"What do ya'll think?"

It doesn't protect your head from a guy with a scoped rifle.

Double Naught Spy
April 13, 2013, 09:46 AM
Ceramic protects against one hit, I believe, then it is broken. Steel doesn't break.

Your assertion is incorrect. Ceramic plates are multi-shot rated. Also, steel does break, but probably not in the time frame you are referencing. Level IV ceramic plates are AP rated and the steel is not.

The problem with steel plates is the spall. I can't tell from the description just how much their steel plates are covered in much spall absorbing material, but it doesn't look like much. Ceramic plates trap the spall from the impacting bullets, but AR500 steel defects it. Got to about 1:05 in the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg

However, for the price difference, between what you showed and what was in the OP, you could add the spall protection and still be way out ahead in terms of cost and in thickness.
Also see... http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1329478__ARCHIVED_THREAD____de_spalling_the__79_ar500_armor__pics_of_final_test_in_the_OP_.html&page=1

It doesn't protect your head from a guy with a scoped rifle.

Really? LOL. It doesn't protect the head from a guy with an iron-sighted rifle either.

Both the OP's and Armoredman's suggestions but fail pretty miserably on side protection as well. That is typical for most hard body armor packages.

Owen
April 13, 2013, 09:49 AM
Discussion of body armor is fine. Discussion of SHTF scenarios is not, so let's stick to discussing the technical merits of body armor, mmmkkay?

armoredman
April 14, 2013, 05:00 PM
Yes, the one I have has no side protection, but it is available,

http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29907

I have no direct experience with ceramic plates, as the only armor I was issued in the military was Vietnam era flak vests for shipboard security. I can only relate what I have been told by some people who have had direct experience, which is why I said "I believe". :)

Here is one answer to your spall question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfVAnU8SabY

I would love to see even more testing done on that with more video, but that does give a rough idea. I think I'd rather have some spall in my arms and legs than a rifle bullet in my heart...just sayin'. :) I'm thinking I might survive the spall, especially after I upgrade to the coated stuff.
I will say the USE of such armor may be difficult, as I certainly wouldn't wear this around all day, unless part of an exercise regimen.:D
On the side, I HAVE worked a job where I wore steel armor all day, 8-12 hours a day, for several years. ;)

hso
April 16, 2013, 07:00 PM
What do ya'll think?

Very few of us have any real need for body armor, but that's not a real problem since most of us duffers don't need most of the things we've bought.


More specific to the setup itself, you paid too much. Considering you could have gotten effective 5.56/AK protection for less, and those are the top calibers you'd likely have to concern yourself with. Also, unless your ceramic isn't certified as multi-hit you should consider it "one and done". You'll want to practice with it since it will impact how you shoot and you'll want to practice moving in it since it will impact how you move. Those things will tell you if the carrier is the right one for you.

BigBoyToyz
April 18, 2013, 06:32 AM
Could put it around the back of your car seat so you dont get shot in the back.

dprice3844444
April 18, 2013, 08:19 AM
for that price gab it.point blank plates are like 5-600 each

Thethickster
April 18, 2013, 08:38 AM
If you live in a border town like I do body armor would be nice, if it were law enforcement or military grade. There is alot of spill over violence and people do alot of home invasions with this type of body armor bought from crooked cops or from crooked mexican military, but a good shot with a 12ga will knock the wind out of them and send them running. So if SHTF I dont think that will help very much, just worry about the neck shots, and upper back if you have actual body armor.

Crash_Test_Dhimmi
May 1, 2013, 03:56 PM
I have an IBA and have Ceramic level IV multi hit plates in it, they are triple curve and comfy, and fairly decent for the price. Although cheap, steel plates are heavy, deform after hit and spall.

http://www.galls.com/CGBCSTYL?PMSTYL=TE770

taliv
May 1, 2013, 04:07 PM
and spall

these wood posts have only been in the ground about a month. only maybe a hundred hits on that first plate (unless someone else has been sneaking out and shooting at it). and all from over 500 yards, so quite a bit less energy than say, 50 yards. check out the shards of copper jacket stuck in the wood. it's hard to see the depth from that angle, but in several spots, it's at least an inch of wood missing.

certainly not my target frame design, but even i was surprised how quickly it is getting reduced to splinters

http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/spalling.jpg

armoredman
May 1, 2013, 06:04 PM
Yep, flat steel target. Mine throws stuff all over the plce - fun to watch the line of dust puff up in the dirt under the target when it gets hit.
The newest panels from AR500.com have a thick anti=spall coating on them, plus the plates are inside a tough cordura nylon carrier.
Id have to say I hope I take little damage to my arms and neck area as possible, so as to return fire, but I'd rather have some minor holes bleeding in my arms than one BIG one in my chest.
Of course, this presupposes I can get this thing on when I really need it - it is fast to get on.

jmorris
May 1, 2013, 06:24 PM
If it will do better than 1" steel plate, it would weigh a lot less, with the added benefit of not being a really heavy dead guy.


http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/qvideo/gn/1insteel.jpg

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/qvideo/gn/steel1in.jpg

LiquidTension
May 1, 2013, 07:46 PM
I'd rather have some minor holes bleeding in my arms than one BIG one in my chest

True, but the fragments don't just go out and down - they go up as well. Up is important - it's where my eyes, carotid, jugular, and airway are. Not to mention my handsome face :D None of those things needs to have even a small hole in it.

Sentryau2
May 21, 2013, 02:34 AM
If your worrying about body armor think of a way to protect your legs, they are just as important as anything else, after all you need them for running away :p upper leg shots are very nasty, lots of big veins to hit and bleed out from. I have very little experience with body armor (except from shooting an old police surplus vest on a synthetic torso)

paintballdude902
May 22, 2013, 10:37 PM
mehhh...... i got a great deal on an eagle armor carrier and was paid back for it... so ill stick with that.

i dont have much faith in what u buy on the internetz so id just stick with a well known company. you might be worried about cost but remember.. a good vest is way less than the value of your life.



i dont wear a vest except when im required

ObsceneJesster
May 24, 2013, 11:31 PM
mehhh...... i got a great deal on an eagle armor carrier and was paid back for it... so ill stick with that.

i dont have much faith in what u buy on the internetz so id just stick with a well known company. you might be worried about cost but remember.. a good vest is way less than the value of your life.



i dont wear a vest except when im required

What do you mean you have no faith in what you but on the Internet? Have you never purchased something online. Are companies like BCM just crap since you buy their products from the internetz?

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MudMarine
May 26, 2013, 01:58 AM
Ceramic ESAPI plates issued 04-05 timeframe to the infantry battallions were rated for all 30 cal AP threats. Saw three damaged plates from seperate attacks where the Marine survived each time.

1st plate took a four round burst from AK at contact distance. The ceramic matrix was crushed and had no strength left. All fragments were captured by matrix or the level III backing. Busted ribs. Still in the fight.

2nd plate took a large 7 inch by 2 inch shard from a 155 arty IED edge on. The vest stopped it mid way, capturing it. Basically half in the Marine's chest, half out. Medivac, docs split him stem to stern to fix. He is good to go. Now has a killer scar to tell his grandkids about.

3rd plate attack happened in my presence. Watching rear during patrol as Marine opposite me and behind made the 90 degree turn down a new street to follow the patrol. He took a 7.62x54R round to the center of his rear plate. I was looking right past him when it went down, and saw him drop like a sack of potatoes. After catching a glimpse of the muzzle flash, and directing my team onto a specific taxi, to deal with the shooter. Came back to learn that my buddy wasn't dead, just had a bruise on his upper back between his shoulder blades about the size of a volleyball.

His plate was busted, bullet defeated the plate but was trapped by the level III layer. Rifle was moisin 91/30.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
May 26, 2013, 02:17 AM
Looks like a bad ass vest. I know everyone is asking "why" and what not, more power to you. I had quite a few people ask me "why" when I bought my 50BMG. I'll be honest your reason for buying isnt important to me, I just wanted to say the body armor looks like it is pretty damn tough. Hope you never have to test it out.

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