bare minimum to start reloading .45?


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Spike_akers
April 13, 2013, 01:59 PM
After getting my new kimber, and going through 400 rounds in two days, I've decided it would be worth my time to reload... What would the bare minimum be to start reloading? Obviously I'm looking to save money but want the right stuff. I've heard a turret press is better than a single stage for handgun ammo... Any help is appreciated

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dbb1776
April 13, 2013, 02:07 PM
Turret press is the way I'd go. It lets you learn the single stages involved then you can use it to make about 100 rds an hour. Don't forget scale, check weights, calipers, handloading book, dies and lots of little stuff.

Lost Sheep
April 13, 2013, 02:21 PM
I am out of town,or would post a lot more, but here is one thread that might be of use to you and my posts start at #11, which (humbly) I think would fit yoiur needs/usage (which seem very similar to mine) very well.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7007905

Welcome to reloading. Thanks for asking our advice.

Remember, the "Search" function is your friend. Search on words like "Newby". "Newbie", "Beginner", "Looking to start" and such as that.

Loading is not rocket science, but it does involve smoke and flame and things that go very fast, so be safe, always, all ways. If you can change a tire without losing your lug nuts and bake a cake that rises and is even, you can handload. (Especially if you can concentrate well enough to do both simultaneously).

Good luck.

Lost Sheep

bds
April 13, 2013, 02:42 PM
reloading .45 ... What would the bare minimum be to start reloading? Obviously I'm looking to save money but want the right stuff.
Bare minimum would be:

- Reloading manual (I highly recommend Lyman #49 Reloading Handbook (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/217655/lyman-reloading-handbook-49th-edition-reloading-manual-softcover))

- Single stage press (Any O-ring press would work) or Turret press (I highly recommend Lee Classic Turret (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/785993/lee-4-hole-turret-press-with-auto-index-deluxe-kit))

- Vibratory case tumbler (I highly recommend Berry's 400 at $49 (http://www.eabco.com/store/reloading-supplies/berrys-model-400-tumbler-cleans-polishes-brass-cases/)) and tumbling media either walnut or corn cob.

- Scale (I recommend RCBS 5-0-2 $72 (https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/12886), 5-0-5 $89 (https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/12887), 10-10 $143 (https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/12888) or Dillon Eliminator $71 (https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/3018) beam scales that are accurate to 1/10th grain over digital scales that are typically accurate to 2/10th grain).

- Calipers (Frankford Arsenal SS dial caliper for $20 (http://www.gamaliel.com/reloadingaccessories/frankford-arsenal-stainless-steel-dial-caliper.asp))

- Means to prime the case (hand prime or press prime - if you buy the press kit, these will be included)

- Powder measure/funnel or press mounted powder measure like Pro Auto Disk

- Dies (I recommend carbide dies so you don't have to use case lube to resize spent cases)

- Bullet puller (I recommend the hammer type bullet puller (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/215517/frankford-arsenal-impact-bullet-puller))

- Components: powders, primers, bullets. Check this thread for currently available components/equipment - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8869797#post8869797


Optional items I would recommend:

- Check weights for the scale $27 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/212586/lyman-shooters-weight-check-set?cm_vc=subv1493216)

- Nu-Finish liquid car polish to help clean and polish spent brass cases / dryer sheets to extend the life of tumbling media

- Primer pocket cleaner (comes with Lee press kits)



Here's a single stage O-ring 50th Anniversary press kit ($118) that has press mounted priming (You will need to still buy dies, calipers and case tumbler) - https://fsreloading.com/lee-precision-50th-anniversary-kit-90050.html

Kit Includes:
- Lee Breech Lock Challenger Single Stage Press
- 1-Breech Lock Die Bushing
- Lee Large and Small Safety Prime
- Lee Cutter and Lock Stud
- Lee Perfect Powder Measure
- Lee Chamfer Tool
- Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner
- Lee Safety Powder Scale
- Lee Powder funnel
- 2 oz Tube Lee Resizing Case Lube


Here's the Classic Turret press kit ($219) that is very popular with press mounted priming (You will need to still buy dies, calipers and case tumbler) - http://www.midwayusa.com/product/785993/lee-4-hole-turret-press-with-auto-index-deluxe-kit

Deluxe Kit Includes:
- Turret Press with Auto Index
- Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure
- Large and Small Safety Prime System
- Safety Powder Scale
- Case Conditioning Kit (Including: Case Trimmer Cutter and Lock Stud, Chamfer Tool, Large and Small Primer Pocket Cleaner, Lee Case Sizing Lube)
- Modern Reloading 2nd Edition, Revised Reloading Manual

Spike_akers
April 13, 2013, 02:45 PM
I am out of town,or would post a lot more, but here is one thread that might be of use to you and my posts start at #11, which (humbly) I think would fit yoiur needs/usage (which seem very similar to mine) very well.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7007905

Welcome to reloading. Thanks for asking our advice.

Remember, the "Search" function is your friend. Search on words like "Newby". "Newbie", "Beginner", "Looking to start" and such as that.

Loading is not rocket science, but it does involve smoke and flame and things that go very fast, so be safe, always, all ways. If you can change a tire without losing your lug nuts and bake a cake that rises and is even, you can handload. (Especially if you can concentrate well enough to do both simultaneously).

Good luck.

Lost Sheep
Even though I am a certified mechanic I can't say I haven't lost nuts and bolts before haha.. thanks for the link, Im not really worried about the actual reloading, just about what I will need... Thanks again for the link

zxcvbob
April 13, 2013, 02:57 PM
Minimum setup?

Lee "Reloader" single-stage press (it's cheaper than the Hand Press)
Set of Lee dies with shellholder
Hand primer
Harbor Freight digital calipers
Borrow a balance beam scale from somebody to verify your powder charge using the dipper than comes with the dies.
You might want to make a couple of dippers of your own using a discarded 9mm or .40 case and a piece of wire, and you might want to buy your own scale.

When you outgrow the press and move up to a turret or progressive press, you will still find uses for the old single stage.

kingmt
April 13, 2013, 03:48 PM
You could get by with less then suggested but if your going to keep up that rate even a progressive is a little slow.

dsm
April 13, 2013, 03:59 PM
Bare bones minimum? Ok; Dillon Square Deal B for 45, powder scale, cheap verniers, 45 ACP brass, Winchester 231, CCi Large pistol primers, Missouri Bullets 200 SWC. There you have it, high volume bare bones minimum(HVBBM). :)

Won't take you a week to load 400 rounds!

Hondo 60
April 13, 2013, 09:52 PM
What would the bare minimum be to start

A couple of reloading manuals!!!!!!!!

Reloading (think small explosions) is a GREAT hobby, but you have to do it safely!
Lyman's 49th Reloading Handbook is IMHO the best of the best.
It has a GREAT how-to section & the widest array of data (what bullet & how much of what powder).

KansasSasquatch
April 13, 2013, 10:01 PM
A couple of reloading manuals!!!!!!!!

Reloading (think small explosions) is a GREAT hobby, but you have to do it safely!
Lyman's 49th Reloading Handbook is IMHO the best of the best.
It has a GREAT how-to section & the widest array of data (what bullet & how much of what powder).
I agree with Lyman having a great how to section but I couldn't agree less on the data. For certain calibers it has a ton of data but it is lacking severely on some popular calibers. Every time I talk to someone who interested in reloading I tell them to buy the Lyman first and read the how to section 3 times or more. Then tell them to buy Lee's 2nd edition for data. It's way more thorough on data.

rcmodel
April 13, 2013, 10:09 PM
It's way more thorough on data.It's also old data, copied from the powder & bullet manufactures data, back when the first Lee manual was published.

Lee has no ballistics testing lab of their own.
And does no ballistics testing, even for their own bullet mold designs which are different then most.

All the data in the Lee book was copied from other sources after the copyrights ran out years ago.

rc

Jim K
April 13, 2013, 10:25 PM
What not to do is get sidetracked onto a hand tool like the old Lee Loader. It will turn out ammo, but very slowly, and it is a dead end. If you want to gain more power (e.g., to size cases) you start from scratch with an O press (or a big C press, which you can find from time to time - make sure you can get dies and holders).

Jim

Arkansas Paul
April 13, 2013, 10:29 PM
If I was getting started on a tight budget, this is how I would start. You will have to find them in stock somewhere, but you can backorder. I recently backordered a turret press from Midway and it took about a month to come in.

Press kit.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/423081/lee-challenger-breech-lock-single-stage-press-anniversary-kit

Dies
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/242098/lee-deluxe-carbide-4-die-set-45-acp

Just over $150 and you're good to go. IMO that's the best way to get started inexpensively. You can go with the old style kit where you use a hammer, or a hand press, but shooting 400 rounds a range trip, you're not gonna want to crank out that many with those.
Do many of your friends or family shoot?
My dad, brother and I all shoot a lot and we went in together on our equipment and still frequently all pitch in on components or new gadgets we think we have to have. As soon as the craziness calms down, we're going to all go in on a large powder/primer order. It's a nice way to get the things you want and not have to foot all of the bill yourself.

James2
April 13, 2013, 11:12 PM
Manual, press (with priming arm), dies, powder scales, powder funnel.

This is pretty bare essentials, but enough to get you loading. It will be slow. You have to dip powder with something and weigh each load or make a dipper as already suggested.

I loaded for years with no calipers nor tumbler. They are nice.

A powder measure like the Lyman 55 is a big help when it comes to measuring out powder.

It may be well to bite the bullet and get something like the Lee Classic Turret for starters. It will work a little faster than a single stage. I think you can get it in a kit.

I don't have a turret and have always loaded single stage. When doing single stage you do things in batches. Size them all, prime them all, seat bullets on all. The brass goes in and out of the press shell holder several times. With the turret the casing goes in the shell holder and runs the whole process by the turret rotating each stroke. The casing comes out loaded. Of course the single stage press is less money. Good tools will last a lifetime, You decide.

KansasSasquatch
April 14, 2013, 12:42 AM
It's also old data, copied from the powder & bullet manufactures data, back when the first Lee manual was published.

Lee has no ballistics testing lab of their own.
And does no ballistics testing, even for their own bullet mold designs which are different then most.

All the data in the Lee book was copied from other sources after the copyrights ran out years ago.

rc
I don't think it's out dated even if its copied information. Every .45acp, 9mm, .38/.357, .223, .30-06, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, and .40 load I've seen in the Lee checks out with at least one other source. The only load information I've had to get from other sources have been for 5.7x28, which Lee doesn't list, and any load using CFE223, which no manual lists unless its been published in the last year or two. But it's at least a good source for cross reference if nothing else.

Fishslayer
April 14, 2013, 01:25 AM
After getting my new kimber, and going through 400 rounds in two days, I've decided it would be worth my time to reload... What would the bare minimum be to start reloading? Obviously I'm looking to save money but want the right stuff. I've heard a turret press is better than a single stage for handgun ammo... Any help is appreciated

I would say turret press all the way. I have the Lee Classic Turret and I will say that it's about as idiot proof as it can be. I would say I have less chance of a double charge using it than I would with a single stage.

Plenty of stickies & threads on equipment.

GT1
April 14, 2013, 01:44 AM
It's also old data, copied from the powder & bullet manufactures data, back when the first Lee manual was published.

Lee has no ballistics testing lab of their own.
And does no ballistics testing, even for their own bullet mold designs which are different then most.

All the data in the Lee book was copied from other sources after the copyrights ran out years ago.

Even if that was the case, it still beats the Lyman hands down and is the first manual I pick up for its breadth of data regarding bullet weight and powders for a given caliber.
The Lyman is ridiculously poor in that regard. I have it, and a Speer 14, which is also somewhat lacking.
Besides being the most entertaining read, it is far from dangerous.

Taking any book data as gospel isn't very smart, anyway. It is why we work up our loads.

ArchAngelCD
April 14, 2013, 04:14 AM
I highly recommend a Lee Classic Turret press for building handgun ammo. You can safely load between 180 and 200 rounds per hour with one. Remember to buy the Classic and not the Deluxe because it's a much better press for not a lot more money.
Kemp's Gun Shop (https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=630&category_id=190&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41) online has a good Classic Turret kit. Make sure to upgrade to the Pro Auto-Disk in the drop-down box on the bottom of the page. It's a much better powder measure and well worth the small additional cost. That kit even comes with a set of Lee dies so choose the .45 Auto and you're set...

4895
April 14, 2013, 06:05 AM
I think the bare-bones minimum would consist of the following:

Lee Single Stage Anniversary Kit $100
Lee .45 acp Carbide Dies $45
Harbor Freight Dial Calipers $10
Components (brass, bullets, powder, primers) $$$$
Well-lit work area free from ALL distractions

I would save your plastic/styrofoam ammo box inserts to use as loading trays (they are almost free)

I consider the above to be bare-bones and should supply 50 rounds an hour of reloads. Reloading is cheap, mistakes...not so much.

If you have the money, I would buy a Dillon Square Deal in .45auto ($300-$400) and not look back. Hands down, that press is just what you need if you only plan on shooting one pistol caliber. If you want to expand your pistol calibers it may seem spendy ($90 or so). It will only load pistol, but is auto-progressive. That means there is hardly any chance of a double charge. They are tricky to learn on and I recommend against it for the beginner. They are a surefire way to hurt that pretty Kimber of yours if you make a mistake. If you have to stop the loading sequence for any reason, I recommend you pull ALL of the rounds out of the machine and set them aside for completion AFTER you correct the original problem.

jjjitters
April 14, 2013, 08:26 AM
Don't go into this looking entirely at price and what is the cheapest way to go. Good quality will last and not have you constantly tweaking and making reloading a chore instead of fun. Some brands of equipment have a higher rate of defects or poor workmanship than others. Choose on quality and correct function, not just cheap, you'll get more enjoyment out of this second hobby.

cwbys4evr
April 14, 2013, 08:48 AM
Just a word about finding the things you need. Even if you have an item on backorder keep searching for that item. If possible also go in to a physical Cabelas if there is one anywhere near you. Sometimes they might have something on the shelf that isn't online. Also keep in mid you may end up with something different than you started with. For example I originally had a Lee Classic Turret on backorder, seemingly forever, but ended up with a Pro 1000. Not ideal for a beginner but it certainly works for me. The key is to have a little dogged determination and keep looking every day. Oh also make sure you track all these acquisitions and back orders on some sort of spread sheet or you will go nuts trying to remember everything

Also my philosophy on manuals is to have one for every bullet manufacturer I plan on using regularly, currently I have Nosler and Hornady, the former for handgun and the latter for rifle. Not everyone does it like that but it made the most sense to me personally.

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Elkins45
April 15, 2013, 12:23 AM
- Reloading manual (I highly recommend Lyman #49 Reloading Handbook)

- Single stage press (Any O-ring press would work) or Turret press (I highly recommend Lee Classic Turret)

- Vibratory case tumbler (I highly recommend Berry's 400 at $49) and tumbling media either walnut or corn cob.Not strictly necessary. I got by for years just washing cases.

- Scale (I recommend RCBS 5-0-2 $72, 5-0-5 $89, 10-10 $143 or Dillon Eliminator $71 beam scales that are accurate to 1/10th grain over digital scales that are typically accurate to 2/10th grain).

- Calipers (Frankford Arsenal SS dial caliper for $20)Nice, but not 100% needed

- Means to prime the case (hand prime or press prime - if you buy the press kit, these will be included)

- Powder measure/funnel or press mounted powder measure like Pro Auto Disk

- Dies (I recommend carbide dies so you don't have to use case lube to resize spent cases)

- Bullet puller (I recommend the hammer type bullet puller)Or you can just throw the mistakes away

- Components: powders, primers, bullets. Check this thread for currently available components/equipment - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...97#post8869797


Not everything on this list is what I would consider bare minimum.

35 Whelen
April 15, 2013, 12:28 AM
You did say bare minimum. Think USED equipment. Here's (http://www.ebay.com/itm/290896577883?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_7499wt_1399) a press that will do everything including prime your cases. This and a set of Lee powder dippers will get you started really cheap. One place to not scrimp is the dies. Do yourself a lifelong favor and buy carbide dies so you never have to lube a single case.

If you want to spring for a turret press they are faster than "O" frame presses, but no faster than "C" frame presses like the one in the link except when it comes to changing out dies.


35W

Lost Sheep
April 15, 2013, 01:02 AM
If you want to spring for a turret press they are faster than "O" frame presses, but no faster than "C" frame presses like the one in the link except when it comes to changing out dies.


35W
I beg to differ on the speed thing. Using auto-indexing, and processing in continuous mode (rather than batch mode) my turret is well more than twice the speed of my single-stage - nearly triple.

But if processing in batch mode, you are 100% correct.

Lost Sheep

frankenstein406
April 15, 2013, 01:05 AM
I would go with the lee classic turret right off the bat

bds
April 15, 2013, 01:10 AM
- Reloading manual (I highly recommend Lyman #49 Reloading Handbook (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/217655/lyman-reloading-handbook-49th-edition-reloading-manual-softcover))

- Single stage press (Any O-ring press would work) or Turret press (I highly recommend Lee Classic Turret (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/785993/lee-4-hole-turret-press-with-auto-index-deluxe-kit))

- Vibratory case tumbler (I highly recommend Berry's 400 at $49 (http://www.eabco.com/store/reloading-supplies/berrys-model-400-tumbler-cleans-polishes-brass-cases/)) and tumbling media either walnut or corn cob. Not strictly necessary. I got by for years just washing cases

- Scale (I recommend RCBS 5-0-2 $72 (https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/12886), 5-0-5 $89 (https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/12887), 10-10 $143 (https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/12888) or Dillon Eliminator $71 (https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/3018) beam scales that are accurate to 1/10th grain over digital scales that are typically accurate to 2/10th grain).

- Calipers (Frankford Arsenal SS dial caliper for $20 (http://www.gamaliel.com/reloadingaccessories/frankford-arsenal-stainless-steel-dial-caliper.asp)) Nice, but not 100% needed

- Means to prime the case (hand prime or press prime - if you buy the press kit, these will be included)

- Powder measure/funnel or press mounted powder measure like Pro Auto Disk

- Dies (I recommend carbide dies so you don't have to use case lube to resize spent cases)

- Bullet puller (I recommend the hammer type bullet puller (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/215517/frankford-arsenal-impact-bullet-puller)) Or you can just throw the mistakes away

- Components: powders, primers, bullets. Check this thread for currently available components/equipment - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8869797#post8869797
Not everything on this list is what I would consider bare minimum.
Well, what's on my list was essentially what I started reloading with and for me, that's what I recommend to new reloaders along with check weights.

Feel free to post your "bare minimum" list - that's what this thread is about. :D

Elkins45
April 15, 2013, 10:35 AM
When I started it was with the Lee whack-a-mole tool. Agreeing that it's not a realistic option, I will substitute a press and dies in the list below of my BARE minimum:

-Press

-Dies + shellholder (agree that carbide is the ONLY way to go)

-Priming tool. I don't consider priming on the press a reasonable option for volume handgun loading.

-Powder scale

-Lee powder dippers or an adjustable powder measure

-Powder funnel

-Good book on reloading, plus access to data (may be in the same book). I separate the two because there is a ton of data from the manufacturers on the web, but that data doesn't teach how to use the hardware safely.

The press you choose is important. If you choose a turret press like one of the Lee offerings you will be able to crank out handgun ammo faster than if you choose a single stage press. This might, however limit you if you want to reload full-length rifle rounds as well. I don't know if the Lee turret presses have enough clearance to load an 06 length round. I have a Lee turret press but I started with a RCBS single stage and so I always use it for rifle.

Do we know if the OP ever plans to load rifle ammo?

35 Whelen
April 15, 2013, 01:18 PM
OP said "bare minimum". Don't think that'd include powder scale, powder measure and funnel when a $12 set of Lee dippers and their application chart would take the place of the three products mentioned.

zxcvbob
April 15, 2013, 01:44 PM
I load a whole bunch of different calibers; relatively low volume most of the time. Thinking about simplifying things by making dippers for my favorite loads so I don't have to mess with a powder measure and scale when I just want to load one box and the measure is already set up for something else.

Using a single stage press mounted to a portable but heavy bench (like a wooden stool) is relaxing if I don't get in a hurry.

Bmac1949
April 15, 2013, 02:56 PM
I started out with the Lee Anniversary Kit. Which was a good move. Your pretty much set up to load, other than dies. I hated the Lee de-burring tool so soon replaced it with the larger RCBS tool and picked up a Wilson case trimmer. The Lee press is fine but after a year or so I wanted a better press so I picked up a Redding T-7 turret press. It's a bit faster than a single stage and you can keep a 7 dies in the turret. As also a good idea to bone up on as many loading manuals as you can handle and read as much as you can stand about reloading before you buy anything. The learning curve won't be so great and you might save yourself some money in the long run. Welcome, good luck and be safe. Btw. I've been loading for about 3 years and which adds up to about 5 lbs of spent primers that I keep in a jar. Notice the word "spent". You wouldn't do this with live primers.

Elkins45
April 15, 2013, 08:04 PM
OP said "bare minimum". Don't think that'd include powder scale, powder measure and funnel when a $12 set of Lee dippers and their application chart would take the place of the three products mentioned.
I wouldn't reload without a powder scale. Maybe that's just me, but I wouldn't do it.

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