Range Rental Advice


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Divine Rights
April 13, 2013, 07:03 PM
Hello everyone,

I am working on purchasing my first handgun. I have some experience with firearms but not a lot.

I have narrowed down the handgun I'd like to buy to the the Glock 17 or the M&P9.

I have a range close to me who rents them but they will not let me rent a handgun if I don't already own one or I bring a friend with one. (Which I totally understand & respect for safety reasons)

In addition they want me to purchase the ammo I use in the rental gun there at the range. So if they don't have 9mm at the time, I'm out of luck. (Which I also understand & respect b/c they don't want people ruining their rentals.)

Any suggestions? Besides just guessing and buying one of the two then hoping I purchased the one I would have liked better, I don't know what else to do... and if that's what I have to do, then so be it.

I'm kind of in a catch-22 situation. Not even addressing the point of finding my preferred handgun for sale once I make a decision :o

Thanks.

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Inebriated
April 13, 2013, 07:15 PM
What all have you shot?

Honestly if I were between those two, I'd get the one that feels best. Shooting them is good, but it's not like they're going to be very different. The main differences are trigger and grip. Both of which you can try out at the rental counter, without having to rent (assuming they aren't jerks about it).

smalls
April 13, 2013, 07:23 PM
Why not bring a friend, then?

Divine Rights
April 13, 2013, 07:28 PM
Seeing if they will let me just hold each one is a good idea. It couldn't hurt to ask.

I only have one friend who shoots and our schedules (and locations) don't match up at all. So I was trying to figure out how not to hassle him about it to be honest.

beatledog7
April 13, 2013, 07:35 PM
Both are good pistols, and either will please you as you learn to shoot it. It comes down to which feels better in your hand.

sappyg
April 13, 2013, 07:53 PM
My range has ran out of ammo from time to time. They still want to rent guns. Renting guns = gun sales and they know it. They have offered me rental with my ammo in the past as long as they can inspect the ammo. Sure they don't get the ammo sale but they are still able to generate rental income all the same.

If they know you're a buyer they will probably be a little more forgiving with their policy. Then again, I'm a regular every week and most of the employees know me.

JDR
April 14, 2013, 04:01 AM
Not a bad choice to be made here, I have a Gen 3 Glock 17 and that is a great gun for anybody, they are hard to find, and you have to scrounge for 9mm ammo. A Glock 22 is easier to find now, as is 40 S&W ammo.

Teachu2
April 14, 2013, 04:25 AM
Call ahead and check on ammo. I am currently suffering with a serious Glock addiction, but my wife greatly prefers the M&P 9c. The range I shoot at lets the top-tier members bring guests for free, rent guns for free, and will allow us to bring in factory ammo for rental guns if they are out. I've made a couple of friends out of people who were in your shoes by inviting them to be my guest.

Holding guns and shooting guns are two different things. Where are you located?

Plan2Live
April 14, 2013, 07:37 AM
Or go somewhere else.

glassman
April 14, 2013, 09:53 AM
The range I frequent has the same policy due to people renting the guns and then using them to commit suicide. This has happened on more than one occassion thus prompting the policy on rentals. You can't blame them but it puts a serious road block in your path to gun ownership. Do you know a gun owner who would be willing to take you to this range?

Divine Rights
April 14, 2013, 11:52 AM
I have only one friend who shoots but we have different schedules & locations so I was hoping not to hassle him more than I already have lol... He's been answering most of my dumb "new shooter" type questions.

To be honest, I'm seriously considering just going ahead and buying the Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm Carry and Range Kit. I won't be disappointed with it & it would solve this issue.

I really appreciate all the advice. If you have any more please feel free to leave it here =)

allaroundhunter
April 14, 2013, 11:57 AM
To be honest, I'm seriously considering just going ahead and buying the Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm Carry and Range Kit. I won't be disappointed with it & it would solve this issue.

Divine, I have a Glock 19, M&P9 (carry and range kit), and I just purchased a Glock 34. They are all great guns, and I highly recommend them all. I don't think you can go wrong with either of your choices, and if you can find the M&P and that is what you are leaning towards, go grab one! Right now guys are holding their value quite well, and the fact that it comes with 3 magazines is a great deal as right now you can't even buy an M&P magazine for less that $75.

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MedWheeler
April 14, 2013, 12:15 PM
If you really want to rent, go out first and pick up a cheap Hi-Point or Jimenez somewhere, then bring it in. Maybe, just maybe, they'll count that as you "already owning a handgun." :evil:

tarosean
April 14, 2013, 12:20 PM
You cannot go wrong with either. With exception of ergonomics, aesthetics, and triggers they are both similar enough that those three issues are generally the defining aspect.

ku4hx
April 14, 2013, 02:43 PM
Maybe find a gun club or range that offers new shooter classes. Our club does and we supply guns and ammunition.

Or

Bring a friend who has a gun.

rfwobbly
April 14, 2013, 03:57 PM
Honestly if I were between those two, I'd get the one that feels best.

^^ That ^^

The one that feels most comfortable in your size hand is going to give you the best control, thus accuracy.


We could help you more if you put your location in your profile.

Divine Rights
April 14, 2013, 07:58 PM
Ohh sorry, I'm in Phoenix Az. Let me add that to my profile.

JockeyShifter
April 14, 2013, 08:04 PM
Does this range ever have any kind of training sessions?
I would be finding a buddy to take there so I can shoot, although I don't seem to understand what the buddy or owning a handgun has to do with things.

It seems that everybody is new at some time.

Divine Rights
April 14, 2013, 08:41 PM
They do offer classes but they require you bring your own firearm.

Not many easy ways for new shooters to get into shooting besides just making the investment and purchasing one to start with. So, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to just buy the M&P 9.

Thanks for your help everyone.

Inebriated
April 14, 2013, 09:57 PM
You won't be disappointed!

msb45
April 14, 2013, 10:11 PM
Good choice, I have the 9MM and 45 M&P. Accurate and dependable they're great for CCW.

FWIW when you hold a gun in a shop the thing I learned long ago was (with a gun I personally cleared). Get a proper firing one hand grip, find a small object on a wall like a clock or letter on a sign, and making sure I did not have the clerk/customer in my way close my eyes and point the gun at the object. Open you eyes and see how close the sights are to the object. You'll find that guns that don't feel right don't usually have a natural point of aim for you.

smalls
April 14, 2013, 10:43 PM
Worst case scenario- you don't like it. You sell for a small loss and buy the Glock. Or trade it.

bds
April 15, 2013, 12:55 AM
I have Glock 17/22/23/27 and M&P40/45.

While both Glock and M&P would be good choices, the "feel in the hand" will not tell you how they will shoot. I would highly recommend the range test as I have gone through this with many family/friends/co-workers and they often ended up buying the pistol that shot better than how they felt in their hands. ;)

I would also check to see if the M&P9 has the newer/improved trigger - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8843233#post8843233

Divine Rights
April 15, 2013, 12:02 PM
How do I check to make sure the M&P 9 I am buying is the model with the new trigger?

Arkansas Paul
April 15, 2013, 01:03 PM
Deleted.

Realized you were at a range and not a gun shop.

marb4
April 15, 2013, 01:46 PM
I recently purchased a Gen 3 Glock 17. Great pistol I shoot it really well. Something maybe to consider: I also purchased an Advantage Arms 22 conversion kit for the Glock. Now I can run 22lr (which I have a pretty good stash of) for practice along with 9mm. Works great and allows me a lot more trigger time on the Glock for less money. I shoot quite a bit and in about 2 months have already paid for the 22 kit in ammo savings. Don't think there are currently any conversions kits for the S&W.

wally
April 15, 2013, 06:03 PM
Holding one is a lot different from shooting one

I've experienced all of the combinations:

Feels good, I shoot it good.

Feels good, I shoot it poorly

Feels bad, I shoot it good.

Feels bad, I shoot it poorly.


If you can't afford a mistake in your choice,, put the effort into finding a way to try before you buy. OTOH either Glock or S&W M&P should be fairly easy to resell without losing your shirt.

With the M&P you have three different back straps to try to adjust the feel in your hand. The Gen3 and older Glocks are what they are, the Gen 4 offers some different back straps -- which made a world of difference for me, but I still prefer the M&P.

Divine Rights
April 15, 2013, 08:57 PM
I recently purchased a Gen 3 Glock 17. Great pistol I shoot it really well. Something maybe to consider: I also purchased an Advantage Arms 22 conversion kit for the Glock. Now I can run 22lr (which I have a pretty good stash of) for practice along with 9mm. Works great and allows me a lot more trigger time on the Glock for less money. I shoot quite a bit and in about 2 months have already paid for the 22 kit in ammo savings. Don't think there are currently any conversions kits for the S&W.
Wow, that's a really good point. I had not considered a conversion kit. That would save me a lot of money learning how to properly use it.

In the event I go ahead and order a M&P 9, is there anyway to tell if I am getting the new trigger and not the old trigger?

mo_dingo
April 17, 2013, 12:39 AM
Just need to head down there and try them out!

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