Hall Director "Very offended" by one of Oleg's poster, any similar experiences?


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Kharn
March 15, 2004, 07:57 PM
Since I live in the dorms here at UDel, I'm constantly inundated with information regarding women's self-defense classes, constant lectures about locking our room doors even when we go down the hall to the bathroom, free rape-whistle handouts, emails lauding the benefits of pepperspray, etc. I finally decided to share some of Oleg's work with my fellow residents by hanging this picture (http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_protects.jpg) (the ~40ish woman pointing her Beretta right at the camera with "Gun control protects rapists from disappointments like this" caption) (this was hung on my door after the last one I put up was water-logged during a prank by one of my friends, that one was the "Rapist's Wet Dream/Worst Nightmare" pic, which had been up for about 3 weeks) on the outside of my room door. All was fine for the last five or so days, when today I got a note on the outside of my door from the Hall Director (basically the boss of all the RAs in this building and the next one over) that she was "very offended" by the poster.

I've since removed it and replaced it with a poster saying "Thought Criminal" in 3" high, all-caps letters. I wonder how she'll react to that one, maybe I'll be able to catch her and find out exactly why she is "very offended" by the poster.

Anyway, to my question, has anyone else ever had a problem with someone being offended by some of Oleg's work?

Kharn

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Mark Tyson
March 15, 2004, 08:08 PM
Sensitivity: our society's highest virtue. Can you share the text of the note?

Justin
March 15, 2004, 08:09 PM
Too funny. There are times when I wish I'd have been a bit less caring about the feelings of people who are ignorant, and just gone ahead and destroyed their misconceptions.

Kharn
March 15, 2004, 08:11 PM
It went something like:
John
I am very offended by the sign. (arrow pointing down to poster)
Sendy

It was written on my whiteboard, which I erased when I got into my room (I should have scanned it first, I admit. :o ).

Kharn

[Edit: grammar]

Standing Wolf
March 15, 2004, 08:11 PM
...I got a note on the outside of my door from the Hall Director (basically the boss of all the RAs in this building and the next one over) that she was "very offended" by the poster.

Some people believe a commoner's place is to submit to the predations of the criminal class, since after all, only aristocrats are entitled to defend their lives and property.

Devonai
March 15, 2004, 08:13 PM
You definitely need to talk to her in person. Call her out on her enigmatic and non-descriptive, emotional blurb. She is an idiot (obviously) for claiming righteous indignation and expecting a two word reaction to substitute for dialogue.

MeekandMild
March 15, 2004, 08:17 PM
she was "very offended" by the poster Of course she was. Rapists have feelings too, you know. :rolleyes:

I was once asked to supervise a court ordered 'group' for sex offenders. I listened to all the reasons why I should be involved then told the leftist who ran it that I wouldn't supervise her because I thought the best way to really rehabilitate them was via road crew therapy, breaking big rocks into little ones all day then playing drop the soap with Tyrone every night for a few years. She told me I wasn't being fair.

Not being one to put up posters, I have never had any problem with anyone being offended by Oleg's art, but the true liberal mentality takes offense at anything which reminds them there are traditional values in the world.

Phantom Warrior
March 15, 2004, 08:19 PM
I've since removed it and replaced it with a poster saying "Thought Criminal" in 3" high, all-caps letters.

Were I you, I'D put the poster right back up. Well, I would never have taken it down in the first place. But I vote for putting it back. Preferably right next to the THOUGHT CRIMINAL line. :evil: As someone mentioned in their sigline (I can't remember who) free speech is about being PC. We have protected free speech so we can make other people uncomfortable. If your RHA is offended maybe she needs to examine her beliefs a little. My $2*10^-2...

capt_happypants
March 15, 2004, 08:21 PM
At this point, I'd call upon the wisdom of Poochie.

"Well, you can cram it with walnuts!"

XLMiguel
March 15, 2004, 08:23 PM
You go to a school whose teams are called "the Blue Hens", what do you expect?:neener:

Seriously, does she have a problem with the fundamental right of self defense? Exctly what does she think is an appropriate response to a rapist? Unfortunately, this idiot is in a position to mess with you some, so take care with making your case:banghead:

One thing I have noticed about this type of PC blissninney, they all pray to God for someone with a gun to come bail thier pansyasses out when they're in real trouble:barf: Good luck!

Kharn
March 15, 2004, 08:26 PM
Thats 1-AA National Football Champion Blue Hens, Mike in VA. :D

I would put the poster back up, but with only 75 days to go until graduation (and none of my friends could easily accomodate me if I got kicked out of the dorms), I'm a little wary of going Shock-and-Awe on her with my entire Oleg collection.

Kharn

Devonai
March 15, 2004, 08:33 PM
If posting the image complies with your school's established rules, absolutely put it back up. Your RD can be offended all she wants, but if you're in compliance she can indeed cram it with walnuts. Either way please don't let this insult slide.

Quick Draw McGraw
March 15, 2004, 08:35 PM
Some kid in my dorm has a picture of the devil with the caption, "worship satan" written under it, right next to a cartoon picturing santa being, ummm, "jollied" by a bunch of naked female elves.

They probably let it fly because Satan is anti-gun.

4v50 Gary
March 15, 2004, 08:38 PM
Makes me wonder what type of "free speech" rights there are in dorms? The forum isn't a public forum or a quasi-public forum. If it is private property (although owned and managed by the University), then check your lease agreement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but University rules don't apply to dormitories, do they and even if they did, those rules must be pretty lose regarding free speech. And if the lease agreement is silent, then you may have the right to post what you want.

MeekandMild - you are truly a man of compassion. I believe in rehabilitation through reincarnation. It reduces recedivism too.

Langenator
March 15, 2004, 08:48 PM
I agree with those who said to put the poster back up. Actually, put even more of Oleg's posters up. Add the "Never Again" Holocaust themed ones to the anti-rapist ones. Be an equal opportunity offender. :evil:

Cosmoline
March 15, 2004, 08:57 PM
Put one up featuring a revolver and apologize for any offense at giving too much publicity to semis. :D

PATH
March 15, 2004, 08:59 PM
Mail her a copy of the poster when you graduate and leave one up on the door!

Stickjockey
March 15, 2004, 09:03 PM
I agree with Langenator and Phantom Warrior. Put it back up. Better yet, put this one (http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_clinton.jpg) right next to it.:evil:

WAGCEVP
March 15, 2004, 09:23 PM
Ask her WHY she was offended, I'd like to know.......

She did not say take it down , she just said she was offended :)
PUT it back up!!!!!!!

Kharn
March 15, 2004, 09:26 PM
The poster is up, but on the inside of my room (she cant make me take anything down that is not visible from the door, this one is on the same wall as the door). Spring break is next week, so I'll start putting up replacements when I return from Florida (sadly, it doesnt look like my FL CCW will arrive in-time for me to carry down there :( ). Current plan is one at a time, just replacing them as she complains. Oleg's made a lot of posters over the years, I doubt she comes by my room more than once a day, I dont think I will run out. :evil:

Hearing her reasoning as to why I cant advocate Jews shooting Nazis in self-defense is definitely going to be interesting, should she keep being offended. :rolleyes:

Kharn

AJ Dual
March 15, 2004, 09:31 PM
Ok

Here's the givens:

- University Environment

- Feminist/Liberal RA

- Oleg Poster

Sheeple sees a poster that is pro-woman, anti-rapist, and pro-gun. She dosen't like it, but can't get the normal black/white emotive dichotomy going properly, but she knows she dosen't like it.

Ergo, she's "offended".

Zedicus
March 15, 2004, 09:33 PM
Bet if you asked Oleg, He would make a Coustom one Just to bug her :D

Doc
March 15, 2004, 09:36 PM
the thought police strike often on campus,
now is no different than when 'we were young'!

it's funny how liberals support CHOICE
as long as its THEIR choice :D

violence is bad in their system,
even if it's self defense.
don't forget, their misguided opinion
supports NOT FIGHTING THE SEXUAL ASSAULT!
in spite of FBI statistics which refute the
myth that those who give in survive!

P12
March 15, 2004, 09:41 PM
I'd do a twist on my sig line and put that up.

Rapist prefer: an unarmed and gagged victim.

See how that twists her panties!

Frohickey
March 15, 2004, 10:05 PM
Never underestimate the warm/fuzzy feeling you get when you are part of the victim class.

Black92LX
March 15, 2004, 10:28 PM
i had a similar incident at my dorm last year. I had a 3'' X 5'' sticker of the Confederate flag on my door. And well that offended someone so i was ordered to take it down by my RA. So before i did i scheduled a meeting with the hall director about it. She said since it was on the door that i had to comply and remove it from the door, but they could not mandate what was in my room. So i went and bought a 3' X 5' flag and hung it in the room and always left my door open. My RA wasn't too excited about the flag but of course he could do nothing about it. A week or two later my hall director came by and said ohh i see you caught my drift:neener:

Oleg Volk
March 15, 2004, 10:35 PM
If you care to debate with her, use the Socratic method. Ask polite, simple questions designed to bring out her views for her own review. Make the questions open-ended.

"What about this poster offends you? How could it be made less offensive without compromising the message that personal safety is important? Would you like to hear my thoughts on your suggesions?"

She might not agree with you, but would have a chance to confront the illogic in the privacy of her own soul. Concealed Carry magazine will run an article on just how to debate antis in their April issue.

If you want a custom poster, I might be able to make one.

KMKeller
March 15, 2004, 10:38 PM
Ever heard of decopage?...:evil:

fslflint
March 15, 2004, 10:38 PM
you have inspired me. since my campus is in the ghetto and has quite a rap for its on or around campus muggings I went online and printed off (hope you don't mind oleg) a couple of self defense posters. I'll hang them up later on.

Oleg Volk
March 15, 2004, 10:40 PM
Do I mind? I specifically made the posters available for such use. Good job, Mister!

Doc
March 15, 2004, 10:40 PM
oleg, you ought consider a career in politics :evil:

(really, i was just kidding! i did not mean any offense)

you response well thought out and very eloquent!

Mulliga
March 15, 2004, 11:28 PM
Only solution - put it back up, along with this one:

http://www.jpfo.org/jpfo1.htm

Good job for posting that poster in the first place. I'm so sick about how rape victims should "seek counseling" and should "avoid going out at night" and other such nonsense - combat this criminal empowerment crap by any means necessary.

idd
March 16, 2004, 12:01 AM
Anyway, to my question, has anyone else ever had a problem with someone being offended by some of Oleg's work?

Recently one or two posters over at Democraticunderground.com were posting links to Oleg's pics at a-human-right.com. The effect was hilarious as one Canadian socialist woman got particularly incensed. Eventually the posters were tombstoned by the moderators.

BowStreetRunner
March 16, 2004, 12:09 AM
eeeeeehhhhhh
some people just get upset because others refuse to be victims
:uhoh:
BSR

thefitzvh
March 16, 2004, 12:20 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but I'm going to take this opportunity to sing Olegs praises...

You sir, are an example, in my opinion, of the American dream at work.

I don't know much about you, but I'm glad you and your folks came here. America's better for it.

I'd rather have one Oleg as a neighbor than a million of the blood sucking leaches who were born here.


Keep up the good work man. Your continued wisdom impresses me constantly.


James

PS... this was brought on by a more detailed look at your site. :D

Josey
March 16, 2004, 12:28 AM
Some years back, I was threatened with removal from my university minor. Shhh! Don't tell anybody, I was a social work minor. Shhh! I was a young patrol officer, a survivor of combat and outspoken. A Chicago Democrat femisocialist prof decided I was offensive, rude, anti-lesbian rights and extolled death as a solution to certain social gaffs. I was given a date to appear before the academic council. I had my advisor with me and he was a former USAF OSI Colonel. He was ready to rip someone a new one. When we were called in his face lit up and he had a positive smirk on his face. I looked at him. He looked at me and then at the Dr. who was the head of the council. He was wearing a light beige and thin shirt. The EG&A was prominently displayed on his forearm. I said Semper Fi. I stayed in the social work program and completed two internships and field work. It was nice to understand where some of their fixed ideas came from.

larry_minn
March 16, 2004, 12:45 AM
Are you SURE she put the note on door? Not some other person?

Hedger
March 16, 2004, 12:52 AM
I have a trademark response when someone says they are offended by expression of my (or anyone else's) thoughts:

I smile, and say "Thank you, I'll make a note of it."

Works wonders, try it.


:D

Travis McGee
March 16, 2004, 01:15 AM
Try printing out something like this:

SUPPORT GUN CONTROL:
ONLY THE MILITARY AND POLICE NEED HANDGUNS!
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/photos/holocaust.jpg

falconer
March 16, 2004, 02:00 AM
It could be worse. You could've been like my teammate and posted a target on your door with a sign that said "Peace through Superior Firepower."

Oleg Volk
March 16, 2004, 02:02 AM
Attachment didn't work.

Norton
March 16, 2004, 06:37 AM
"I'm offended" has become the catch all cop out for claiming some sort of injury due to ideas that we don't agree with. Sort of like calling someone racist just because they don't buy into the scoialist-welfare state.

Tell her that her offense offends you:evil:

Guntalk
March 16, 2004, 06:59 AM
I'm missing something here.

She leaves a note saying she is very offended, and you take down the poster???

So what if she is offended.

If there was no order to remove it, I would have considered her note "interesting," but otherwise, would have ignored it.

Some people get up every day determined to be offended by something. They are never disappointed.

Bainx
March 16, 2004, 07:08 AM
We currently live in "The United States of the Offended".

Sad really.

Sportcat
March 16, 2004, 08:53 AM
Is this a public or private institution? The rules are very different when it comes to the 1st Amendment.

TechBrute
March 16, 2004, 09:16 AM
RA: "I'm very offended."
Me on a good day: "I'm sorry you feel that way. Why does it offend you?"
RA: "I'm irrational. Blah blah blah."
Me on a good day: "Thanks for taking the time to talk to me, but I don't see eye to eye with you. Since I know everything, let me share it with you. Blah blah blah."
RA: "I've seen the light. Please take me shooting right now! I just got my first credit card and want to max it out on a gun and accessories. Can we start a club to spread the truth? Where can I print one of Oleg's signs for my door? Oleg is my hero."

or

RA: "I'm very offended."
Me on a bad day: "So?"
RA: "So I'd like to submit you to my irrational point of view which has no basis in fact, only in the fact that I'd prefer to live in either a utopia with no crime, or curled up in the corner in the fetal position, whichever is easier."
Me on a bad day: "Let's have a secret code. When I fall down and break my arm, it means I care about what you have to say."

DF357
March 16, 2004, 09:35 AM
.....trumps her right not to be offended.

The entire progressive idea of liberty is based on being free from things, instead of free to do things. And then they have the gall to go and refer to our definition of liberty as "negative liberty." For example, they say *they* have a "right to not be offended", which trumps any "right to free expression" that *you* might have. So, according to them, you only have the right to express "correct" views.

(borrowed from somewhere)

PUT IT BACK !!!!!

OEF_VET
March 16, 2004, 09:54 AM
Put it back up.

Eskimo Jim
March 16, 2004, 09:58 AM
Kharn,
I"d suggest that you check your Student Conduct book or Student Policies booklet that most colleges issue when you move into the dormitory. You might be able to get a copy of it at your Student housing office.

There might be a college policy regarding the displaying of items that might offend other people etc.

If you are at a State college, it is my belief that they would have a tougher time restricting your Freedom of Speech than a private college.

In my opinion, put the poster back up and if confronted by someone who is 'offended' ask them "Why are offended? are you a rapist?" That would probably shock them. Be sure of apologize and claim ignorance. Make sure you tell them that you're curious why the person is offended.

Good luck

-Jim

12-34hom
March 16, 2004, 10:06 AM
Oleg, did a poster a while back with ROL, i can't remember the caption, but it had two differing scenes in the same poster with an excellent caption.

If i remember right, it showed ROL with her hands crossed above her face area, the next was her with a firearm pointed at virtual offender.

Some of Olegs best work.

12-34hom.

geekWithA.45
March 16, 2004, 10:12 AM
Yup, put it up.

There's nothing inherently offensive about any of Oleg's work.

Put the onus, and burden of proof back on them, where it belongs.

Their irrationality is neither your responsibility, nor your problem.

Sportcat
March 16, 2004, 10:15 AM
Eskimo,

My point exactly. If it is a private institution, you left your rights at the entrance to the institution. The private institution can set whatever rules they like; don't like it, leave.

The public instiution will have a much, much harder time preventing you from displaying your poster.

Kharn
March 16, 2004, 10:23 AM
12-34hom:
I've got that one on my harddrive, but I have a few others I prefer more.

The "Girls: Dont carry guns, 99.8% of rapists polled perfer you unarmed" with the snubby is currently underneath the "Thought Criminal" sign on my door. The original one will go back up after I find out exactly how she claims to be "very offended" by it.

Kharn

bogie
March 16, 2004, 10:50 AM
People don't THINK. They jump to conclusions, then they don't wanna change their minds...

One of my neighbors left me a nasty note accusing me of siding with criminals because I have a "Criminals Prefer Unarmed Victims" bumper sticker on my Mitsu...

DigMe
March 16, 2004, 11:04 AM
Kharn,

It could be that she's been raped at some point in her life and every time she sees that poster it's a reminder of that incident. Of course that's not your fault but if she is truly offended by the "rapist" part of it then put the poster back up with a little piece of paper over the word "rapists" that has a different word such as "muggers" or something. Then you'll find out for real if she's offended by the rapist aspect or if she's just a flaming anti. In my mind though I feel that the subject of rape is something that men need to tread lightly around. It's pretty hard for us to understand (unless you've been raped yourself I guess, which is unlikely but possible), I mean truly understand. So if it's the actual rape part that hits her on a personal level I think I'd be ok with that and take it down. I guess that's why you really should discuss it with her but we shouldn't automatically assume that it's an anti-gun thing.

Actually I think I'd just do the little taping over "rapists" thing immediately without talking to her...then when you see her in the hall say something like "Hey I took your note seriously and I understand that it's a very sensitive subject for some folks (if she's anti then she'll immediately think the "subject" you're speaking of is guns, not rape) so I changed my poster." Then see if you still get any more notes.

brad cook

Black92LX
March 16, 2004, 11:18 AM
My point exactly. If it is a private institution, you left your rights at the entrance to the institution. The private institution can set whatever rules they like; don't like it, leave.

that is not fully true. that only goes for public spaces. like the outside of a door is considered public space. but say it is in your own personal room but can be seen from the outside nothing can be said about that.

i go to a private university. i also learned they can't quite exercise all the descretion they want considering there are some public funds in all private institutions.

though if you get into moderate trouble it is handled by the University and not the state! which can be a very good thing.

Leatherneck
March 16, 2004, 11:20 AM
Does anybody really believe that Kharn's not dealing with a narrow-minded hoplophobic product of the liberal Maryland educational establishment? One who's gotten some "status" at least in her own mind? The situation reeks of ignorant bias. :barf:

TC
TFL Survivor

gburner
March 16, 2004, 11:22 AM
PUT IT BACK UP......
and give her $0.35 to call the Crisis line and discuss her feelings. :barf:

Jeepman
March 16, 2004, 11:40 AM
Put The Poster Back Up!
Many here have stated very valid reasons for putting the poster up.
Being so close to graduation shouldn't deter you. Just think of the lawsuit if this affects your degree completion!:D

If the reference to a rapist is the problem, covering it up and repacing it with criminals should be just fine, I'd cover it with paper thin enough so the origonal word can be seen.

spacemanspiff
March 16, 2004, 12:57 PM
folks, maybe the 'offensive' part is something entirely different!

maybe this person has a relative who is a rapist that met with such a disappointing intended victim. maybe seeing that poster reminded her of how much she misses her poor underprivileged relative who had an uncurable sickness (through no fault of his own!) even though he had a really good heart!


:neener: put this (http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_baaad.jpg) one up as well.

Dave R
March 16, 2004, 02:22 PM
When you put the poster back up, if you get another mesage that says "this offends me" on the whiteboard, you might write under that message "try being more tolerant of others viewpoints."

My experience is Liberals hate being called intolerant. They tolerate everything else...

artherd
March 16, 2004, 09:30 PM
Erase your whiteboard, and write "If this offends you, guess what you are?"

Put it back up.

Kharn
March 16, 2004, 09:35 PM
Well, one of the less-mature guys on the floor (he's a constant trouble maker, always jokingly/half-seriously trying to steal my meager stash of beer or knick-nacks I have on my desk) vandalized the Thought Criminal and Dont Carry Guns posters I had up. I'll give him a few more days to try growing up, and then put some more up.

Kharn

GigaBuist
March 16, 2004, 10:24 PM
Then again, I wish I was far more crass during my school years. I'm probably one of few people that actually wish they acted more "nutty" in those times. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

I'm quite fond of Oleg's work. Personally, here'd be my choice to hang:

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/_no.JPG

Jim K
March 16, 2004, 10:56 PM
I may be in the minority here, but I "take offense" at that because I don't like guns pointed at me, even in pictures. I once entered a video store that had a life size picture of the latest "hero" pointing a gun directly at the viewer. I almost dived back out and drew before I realized it was a cardboard cutout.

Jim

Phantom Warrior
March 16, 2004, 11:53 PM
Makes me wonder what type of "free speech" rights there are in dorms? The forum isn't a public forum or a quasi-public forum. If it is private property (although owned and managed by the University), then check your lease agreement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but University rules don't apply to dormitories, do they and even if they did, those rules must be pretty lose regarding free speech. And if the lease agreement is silent, then you may have the right to post what you want.

I don't want to hijack the thread, but I figured I'd throw in my two cents regarding this comment. I agree with what everyone has said about free speech and the various possibilities regarding it. However, property rights at your university are probably a joke. I did some research in this area when I had a disagreement with the Housing Office over who was responsible for finding me another roommate when my old one moved out (not my fault). Read the fine print at the beginning of your housing contract. Most likely that the contract you are signing is not a lease per se, but a "license" to live in the dorms. Essentially this means you get to live in the dorms, but you don't have any of the ordinary rights you have in a normal tenant-landlord relationship. That's the way my contract is (at the University of North Dakota) and, as far as I was able to determine, that's pretty standard. I have not been able to come up with a reason for that arrangment except to allow the college to jerk the students around at will.

That said, free speech is a completely SEPERATE ISSUE and this should not be construed as arguing that the fine legal points of your housing situation affect your free speech. They might, but I'm only talking about "property rights" in this post.

TechBrute
March 16, 2004, 11:58 PM
I may be in the minority here, but I "take offense" at that because I don't like guns pointed at me, even in pictures. I once entered a video store that had a life size picture of the latest "hero" pointing a gun directly at the viewer. I almost dived back out and drew before I realized it was a cardboard cutout. I think they have medication for that these days. Is it all paper guns that bother you, or only guns printed on heavy bond paper? :D

nico
March 17, 2004, 12:15 AM
I may be in the minority here, but I "take offense" at that because I don't like guns pointed at me, even in pictures. I once entered a video store that had a life size picture of the latest "hero" pointing a gun directly at the viewer. I almost dived back out and drew before I realized it was a cardboard cutout.

haha I understand what you're saying, but when I read that, I pictured a guy in BDUs walking into Blockbuster then immediately diving (using a tactial roll of course) behind the candy rack while putting 2 holes in Rambo's head and scaring the s*** out of everyone. :p

gtd
March 17, 2004, 12:48 AM
As a Terp, I'll say the university has lots of opportunities for rapists and their ilk.

Sendy just needs to get a clue.

How many times have you found the "secure" dorm doorway jammed open by a stick or such?

How many incidents have been reported for the dorm? I'll wager many fewer than actually have occurred.

Security is a joke in the dorms. It's been 20 years, but I'm sure it has not improved.

DesertRat
March 17, 2004, 01:02 AM
Well, if your Hall Director is ver offended by that message, then perhaps she is a rapist herself.

:scrutiny:

nico
March 17, 2004, 01:14 AM
I'm pretty sure Kharn said he's a student at the University of Delaware, but I have no doubt this same situation could/would happen at UMCP too. Just last week, I was "told off" on my history class listserve (we have to participate) for comparing bowling for columbine to This Is Spinal Tap. He informed me that I was ignorant for comparing such a great documentary to Spinal Tap regardless of the facts I presented. I added that last part, but that was the gist of what he said. I has posted 2 links to sites refuting a lot of the bs in the movie and his response was name calling. typical:barf: I meant to respond, but I had better things to do (like shooting things with an assault weapon!:D )

only1asterisk
March 17, 2004, 02:27 AM
Maybe one of our resident photoshop people can make a large MD concealed weapons permit to hang on the door. If you graduate this spring maybe you could just rotate Oleg's posters until you left. Knowing firsthand what crap students hang on their doors in dorm, I'd wager that your sign was among the least offensive.

David

clubsoda22
March 17, 2004, 03:40 AM
Put the poster back up IMMEDIATELY. Place it right next to the "thought criminal" poster. The hall director has as much right to be offended as you do to put up the poster. I've told my GA (Hall directors at my university) to go **** themselves on three seperate occasions. At one point he keyed into my room for an illigitimate search (someone had thrown a water balloon at him and my room is next to the bathroom, which would have been the obvious place to throw a water baloon as it has sinks and an unobstructed window) So, i ripped him a new rectal oraface. You should be as bold.

Just remember, the penalty for offending your hall director is extra scrutiny. Suddenly the xyz that everyone else has and that you've had in your room for months is no longer allowed, but only for you.

Early in the year i had my dorm room thoroughly searched by campus safety on the suspicion that i had guns. I flat out told them that i keep my stuff at home, but they insisted on the search. they gave me an attitude when they searched, so when they didn't find anything, i called them rent-a-cops and made a couple remarks that generally upset them. One of the guys was an ex-cop, and i made it rather clear what the ex means. Told them they could come back when they had some real cops. I had the right to be upset as this was 2:30am.

Right after they left, i put one of olegs posters as the background of my computer screen and the RA complained that it was inappropriate given my situation to i told her she could call the jackboots back if she wanted to play hardball, otherwise she could piss off. Haven't heared about it since.

clubsoda22
March 17, 2004, 03:55 AM
I'm pretty sure Kharn said he's a student at the University of Delaware

Is that right kharn? How would you like to be an honorary member of the unofficial widener university student gun club? Just a 30 minute drive and you can go shooting with me and fslflint.

We pride ourselves with not being afraid to use non-PC guns. We emphasise having a safe fun time in the shooting sports rather than putting holes in a paper at 25 yards with a single shot .22 all day. We're an unofficial club because for some reason they don't have intercollegiate high power or or IDPA competitions...:D

Unfortunately we are still looking for a range that will not complain about over 18 but under 21 handgun shooters.

Kharn
March 17, 2004, 06:12 AM
Yeap, I'm at U of Delaware in Newark, not College Park MD (my little brother is at College Park, talk about a cesspool of crime and such, at least no UDel'ers have been killed during robberies...)

The best part about this whole mess is that there's a three-page rape-awareness story hanging on the door of the girls bathroom (which reads like its pretty man-hating). I'm going to take offense to that and ask that it be removed if the hall director keeps objecting to Oleg posters.

GigaBuist:
Thanks for digging up that one, its perfect but I'd totally forgotten about it.

clubsoda22:
I wish I could come out to join the club sometime, but being a ChemEng, I dont have very many free weekends. And, all my guns are 120 miles away, in the wrong direction. :(

Kharn

Quantrill
March 17, 2004, 07:17 AM
How about posting the e-mail addresses of these folk(?) who oppose not only the 2nd amendment but the first as well. I'm sure our fellow High Roaders will send some enlightening info their way. Quantrill

Kharn
March 17, 2004, 07:28 AM
I'd prefer a THR mass email bombardment not occur, that could cause me a lot more problems than it would solve.

Kharn

Quantrill
March 17, 2004, 07:32 AM
I understand. I guess someone would get nasty ( not that she doesn't deserve it) and you DO have to live there and graduate. Quantrill

Wedge
March 17, 2004, 08:54 AM
Just keep putting it up. What are they going to do, write you up? That is a joke and a half. A bunch of my buddies got written up for smoking weed in the dorm room. That was about it...the school didn't call the cops and the school handled everything internally.

If they are anything like my school they have no teeth, or at least no spine to use the teeth. Keep putting the poster up...just make lots of copies because it is going to get torn down a lot :-( Think of it as a little civil disobedience.

Richardson
March 17, 2004, 09:09 AM
Kharn,

Find 10 or more things that offend you on the floor where you reside. If you have to, pretend to be offended by some things. Then decide on a plan of action.

(1) Send the RA and the owner of each offending things an anonymous (or signed) letter stating that you find these things "very offensive". See how the RA responds. If they're not taken down in a day or two, put your poster back up, next to the "Thought Criminal" sign (credit to Phantom Warrior for this twist).

or
(2) Meet with the RA and try to get into a serious discussion. Have the list ready, and be prepared to ask her if she'll request that the owners of the "offensive" material would take it down. Why or why not?

(3) See if you can get your poster on a bulletin board in a public place, where the RA has no jurisdiction.

Whatever you do, do it with a smile and a soft, caring voice. :D

Richardson

clubsoda22
March 17, 2004, 12:48 PM
I know what not having free weekends is about. I'm a nursing major and flint is a mech engineering. We still find time...you gonna make it to the PA THR gathering at the end of the month?

You won't have to run home to get your guns, there should be plenty for anyone willing to chip in for the ammo.

Kharn
March 17, 2004, 01:08 PM
clubsoda22:
UDel gets back from Spring Break on the 28th, and I've been warned to expect an on-site interview with a potential employer on or about the 29th. Hopefully if that interview goes well, I'll be attending future PA THR get-togethers, but I'll have to miss this one. (The job location is Harford county, MD, 25 miles from Oxford PA or Newark DE, I'll probably choose to live in PA over DE)

This is my 3rd interview with the organization, when my previous 12 first-interviews have gone no-where, so I'm hitting the knees pretty hard at the moment.

Kharn

XLMiguel
March 17, 2004, 11:12 PM
Good luck with the interview, dood. A regular paycheck is a good thing. I gather PA is more gun-friendly than DE anyway. Welcome (soon) to the real world.

Don Gwinn
March 17, 2004, 11:37 PM
I was an RA for two years. All the following advice is based on the rules at Monmouth College in Monmouth, IL. YMMV.

1. She can be offended all she wants, but that means little unless you do other stuff she's been letting slide. Things she really could bust you for.

2. If she did want to get you thrown out of the dorms, 75 days is probably not long enough. She's got to do the writeup, convince somebody that you should be kicked out over one offensive poster, then you've probably got 30 days to respond. Even if that goes against you, you can probably then demand a hearing which will probably take another 30 days. You can string it out that way forever. I had people who had bombarded people three floors down with beer bottles and urinated on crowds below their balconies who were safe from eviction because the Dean didn't even want to bother trying.

3. There's a good chance she thinks just saying she's offended will cause you to back down whether you really have to or not. I'd leave it up unless you know she can get you.

4. It's amazing what passes for offensive, isn't it? Suggest pointing a gun at a RAPIST, and you're offensive. Put up pictures of the Jetsons and the Flintstones committing unnatural and wholly disturbing acts in all possible combinations, and you're just a rambunctious college kid.


I was an RA, but I had my own run-ins with the "establishment." My Dean thought my job was to enforce whatever he said, whether it was in the rules or not. HE didn't want to set the quiet hours earlier because it would upset people, but when Himself was working late one Friday night he called me and told me to tell everyone to shut down. This was 10:00 on Friday night. The quiet hours began at 2:00 in the morning (yes, that was idiotic, but it was his idea.)
I went to everyone one by one and told them that it was my duty to tell them that Dean Ambrose wanted them to be quiet and go inside. When they objected, I told them "Hey, I didn't say I cared what you do. Doesn't make a bit of difference to me until 2:00. He told me to tell you, not to make you do it."
Man, it was loud. I hated the noise in that place with a passion, but I enjoyed it that night. :evil:

nico
March 18, 2004, 12:08 AM
not College Park MD (my little brother is at College Park, talk about a cesspool of crime and such, at least no UDel'ers have been killed during robberies...)

tell me about it. This past saturday at about 12:30 am (a time when people are still out and about on Fridays and Saturdays) a guy was attacked and robbed by a bunch of animals about 50 yards from my girlfriend's dorm. My girlfriend carries pepper spray (which I've been meaning to buy) and I carry my kershaw blackout daily (but not for self defense, because that would make it a "weapon"; possession of which is worse than getting attacked by some SOB according to the laws here). However, with the f'd up way the MD knife laws are written, if I used it on an attacker, I'd almost surely be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, posession of a deadly weapon. If I ever have to make the choice between allowing some slimeball to kick the sh*t out of me and using it, I'm not sure what I'll do. :fire:

on a friendlier note, what's your brother's major? What year is he?

grnzbra
March 18, 2004, 12:32 PM
I'd prefer a THR mass email bombardment not occur, that could cause me a lot more problems than it would solve.
So how about posting it when you graduate and she can't retaliate.

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