Lever-Action 357 mag carbines???


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SabbathWolf
April 14, 2013, 08:11 PM
So I was drifting around on the web and ran across a video by accident really.

It seems that Winchester in 2013 is (or already has?) come out with an 1873 lever-action rifle in 357 magnum. The way the video sounds, it seems it's made just like the old original guns?

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2013/01/new-rifle-winchester-1873-357-magnum


I was thinking it might be fun to have a lever-action 357 to go along with my 357 Blackhawk. And, since I do own and ride horses, it might make a cool little saddle rifle. But....$1300????? WOW.

I know Henry, Marlin and some others make 357 lever guns for a lot less.
But do they suck?
Are they OK?
Or are they great?
I don't know jack about lever-action guns or the companies who make them.

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MAKster
April 14, 2013, 08:28 PM
I'm sure this "Winchester" 1873 is made by Miroku in Japan. They make the 1892 and 94 models as well.

Upstater
April 14, 2013, 08:31 PM
I've got say I've got a rossi m92 in .357 mag. And it has never failed me, plus it's a total blast to shoot. YMMV

SabbathWolf
April 14, 2013, 08:32 PM
Japan?
Really?
Well that sucks...:uhoh:

RainDodger
April 14, 2013, 08:35 PM
Don't let it fool you... Miroku makes gorgeous rifles. They've been making many of the Browning rifles and shotguns for years. Very well made with great fit and finish. Chances are, they're better quality than many of the old Winchesters made here!

Scooter22
April 14, 2013, 08:36 PM
Yes it's a great repo aimed at Cowboy Action shooters. But if you want to team it up with your Blackhawk using full power loads I'd go with a Winchester 92 style action or a Marlin 1894. They are stronger than the 1873 style actions. Even with modern steel it's the design that makes them somewhat weaker the action has a "toggle link" action which was fine for the older black power loadings. The more modern M92Win and M1894 Marlin has a much stronger action for the modern .357Mag JMHO Miroku of Japan makes excellent firearms. I have a Browning M71 .348 Win rifle.

SabbathWolf
April 14, 2013, 09:23 PM
I've read about Rossi 92's and Marlin 1894C's but keep seeing mixed reviews. What about Henry?

Carl N. Brown
April 14, 2013, 09:37 PM
Miroku's renditions of Browning designs rank with Fabrique Nationale and Ye Olde Winchester production. Those I have seen (but never could afford) were beautiful.

I have a Rossi Puma made for Legacy Sports in .357 and it is adequate for my uses. It is a trick to get it to function with .38 Spl Wadcutters, but so far functions with all other roundnose, jacketed softpoint, jacketed hollowpoint .38 Spl and .357 Mag rounds. Point of impact between .38 Spl and .357 is noticeably different at 75yds+.

bikemutt
April 14, 2013, 09:38 PM
I've read about Rossi 92's and Marlin 1894C's but keep seeing mixed reviews. What about Henry?
Not sure if Henry makes one in 357, I haven't seen one.

SabbathWolf
April 14, 2013, 09:54 PM
Not sure if Henry makes one in 357, I haven't seen one.
http://henryrepeating.com/rifle-big-boy.cfm

DPris
April 14, 2013, 10:03 PM
The Mirokus are very well-made guns, but they're not "exactly" like the originals.
They have modified safety features.
Denis

InkEd
April 14, 2013, 10:03 PM
Yes Henry makes a .357 and it's great!

SabbathWolf
April 14, 2013, 10:10 PM
Yes Henry makes a .357 and it's great!
I think the Henry is the best "looking" of the whole bunch if ya ask me...lol
But I have no idea how they shoot.

wrs840
April 14, 2013, 10:16 PM
My Rossi R92 Stainless 16"bbl that I've had for 6 months has feeding issues. Hoping it will work out, but I'm skeptical. I don't really want to send it back to the factory, because I've read on the interwebs that's a four-month trip that results in a better than 50/50 chance of "no change".

I'll probably just trade it back in to the LGS I bought it from for a 20"bbl (shoulda bought that in the first place) version of the same thing and hope for a better sample the second time.

OilyPablo
April 14, 2013, 10:27 PM
I have a turn of the century 1892 converted to .38/357.

I see the 1873 as something I must have. Great. Thanks for that!;)

BCRider
April 14, 2013, 11:33 PM
MANY of us Rossi owners are happy campers.

I too have read about some recent fit and finish issues. Enough that I would not buy a current Rossi by mail order. Instead I'd want to shop at a local store and see the one that I am buying, not the demo model. That'll avoid the "sight unseen" fit and finish issues if there are any.

If the rifle turns out to be less than smooth as you'd like invest a further $120 to $150 in it to have a local gunsmith that does lots of cowboy action guns give it a basic slicking up job. This will involve some stoning and spring replacement. But it really makes a big difference to the rifle.

I actually have done my own Rossi using the information off the web on how to slick it up. The rifle is a dream to cycle and is a truly fun plinker with a few basics done to it.

Even with the extra money you spend on getting this work done it'll still end up costing 1/2 the cost of the Miroku 1892 rifle. And many hundreds less than the 1873 clone you are considering.

35 Whelen
April 14, 2013, 11:38 PM
I own a Rossi '92 in .357 and a Uberti '73 in .44 Special. I've done extensive work, internally, on both. I slicked the Rossi up and polished the snot out of the internals, but it can be very, very picky about ammunition due to having a feed ramp that feeds ammunition at an angle. Mine feeds most any .357 acceptably, but I have to load .38 ammo to nearly .357 length.

The '73 in my opinion is a much more rugged, simple design. The removeable side plates make maintenance and cleaning quite easy and even complete disassembly isn't near as difficult as the Rossi. I installed a short stroke kit which made the rifle lever FAST. Cartridges are elevated by a brass block then fed straight in to the chamber, so the rifle, at least mine, never jams. When I first started using it for CAS, I used a Keith SWC and it fed them flawlessly as fast as I could lever the rifle.

Folks regurgitate the weak toggle link blah blah blah, but I wouldn't worry about it. Winchester's not going to chamber a rifle for a cartridge it can't handle. Uberti even chambers their '73 .44 Magnum if that tells you anything.

I love both my rifles and carry them both. My '92 is a bit lighter and handier than the '73 and I used it just yesterday to whack a Tom I called up not far from the house. But if I were limited to one, it'd be the '73 because of its rugged simplicity.

35W

OldTex
April 14, 2013, 11:48 PM
I've got a pre-Remlin Marlin 1894 in .357 and just got one of those Miroku Winchester 1892s. The Winchester is a beautiful gun with a really nice action. I was at the range today and another member had a Browning version of the 1892. We were comparing them and the guts look identical. Makes sense since they were both made in the same factory. With full power .357 reloads, it still packs a pretty good punch on the shoulder. And darn near punched a hole in my metal spinner target that is rated for .357.

Here's my 1892 - 24" octagon barrel:

http://www.pbase.com/texindian/image/149060388.jpg

CA Raider
April 15, 2013, 12:10 AM
so actually the Henry's are the only lever-action pistol-caliber rifles made entirely in the usa?

what about the Mossbergs, by the way. I know those are 30-30 - but are they made in the US??

CA R

1858
April 15, 2013, 12:30 AM
so actually the Henry's are the only lever-action pistol-caliber rifles made entirely in the usa?

How about Marlin. Here's my 1894CSS in .357 Mag. It's an awesome little rifle.

http://thr.mcmxi.org/rifles/marlin/1894css/photos/marlin_1894css_01.jpg

OldTex
April 15, 2013, 01:01 AM
The new Marlins (made since Remington bought them out 4-5 years ago - after Remington itself was bought out by a big conglomerate) have had some serious quality control issues. The older guns are fetching a premium price but I wouldn't buy a new one unless I held it in my hands and inspected it very closely. You can go to the Marlin Owner's Forum for more details.

I've never owned a Henry. I was leaning towards getting one of those Golden Boys but I got spooked off by negative reports. I've heard nothing but good about their .22 guns but have heard mixed reviews about the accuracy of the larger bores. Of course, this is all hearsay but it was enough to make me go for a Browning or Winchester instead. But man those puppies are expensive. So are the Uberti replica guns.

I've heard a lot of good things about the Rossi guns lately, at least in the accuracy department. They don't claim to have the looks and fine detail, but that's what drives up the cost of the fancier guns.

DPris
April 15, 2013, 03:21 AM
Marlins are US. Nice if you get a good one.
Henries are US & heavy. Smooth & generally shoot well.
Rossis are Brazilian, rough & overly sprung.
Chiappa/Pumas are generally good Italian copies.
Mirokus are the best made.
Denis

muggia59
April 15, 2013, 06:51 AM
I have a rossi 357 w/16" barrel. Its lots of fun. Someday I'll get a nice polish job to smooth it out a little, but for now I have no complaints. So far its most accurate with remington 38spl+p 130. Sure do love my lever actions.

InkEd
April 15, 2013, 11:05 AM
I own a Henry .357 Big Boy (and obviously it wins the best looking award), I will tell you the action is the smoothest I've ever felt from a gun straight out of the box. There are only two (arguably one) downsides to the design.

The first (which doesn't bug me at all) is they are a bit heavy compared to similar rifles. However, I feel the weight helps keep it steady for follow-up shots and from moving off target when working the lever quickly. (Plus, it's a cowboy gun. Suck it up! LOL)

The second is they can only be loaded from the front of the tube. This makes reloading slower but not a big deal.

Water-Man
April 15, 2013, 11:41 AM
I have a LSI/Rossi PUMA M92 in .38/.357. I bought it about five years ago.

It's accurate, has a smooth action and has never missed a beat since day one.

45bthompson
April 15, 2013, 11:53 AM
I've got one of the marlin's and it is a blast. It complements my Blackhawk great and thats one of the reasons I bought it. I must say that the henry bigboy is a better looker though. I've been lusting after the .44 mag bigboy for far to long.

mdauben
April 15, 2013, 12:25 PM
How about Marlin. Here's my 1894CSS in .357 Mag. It's an awesome little rifle.

On Gun Broker, new Marlin 1894CSS in .357 magum are selling for in excess of $1500 and these price increases started well before the current panic buying. Much as I'd love the Marlin, I'll likely end up with a Rossi.

45bthompson
April 15, 2013, 12:33 PM
Wow! Good to know! I think this last year my guns have beaten my 401k!

Tommygunn
April 15, 2013, 12:33 PM
Nice looking rifle!
If Miroku is making it it is going to be one sweet gun. I do wonder just what the spiral markings on the barrel are....some wierd lighting artifact or... hummmmm.

I have a saddle ring carbine Winchester '73 on .44-40 which is really nice. I also have a Miroku made Browning B-92 in .44 mag. If Miroku put as much into the 73 as they did the 92 it will be beautiful!
Love to see that actual Winchester '73!!!!!!

PRM
April 15, 2013, 04:05 PM
I've owned my Rossi/Puma Model 92 in .357 for right at 25 years. It's always been a performer. Very happy with the gun in all aspects. Got mine before the SASS craze really took off. Looking at today's prices compared to what I gave...Yep I'm real happy.

SabbathWolf
April 15, 2013, 04:18 PM
I own a Henry .357 Big Boy (and obviously it wins the best looking award), I will tell you the action is the smoothest I've ever felt from a gun straight out of the box. There are only two (arguably one) downsides to the design.

The first (which doesn't bug me at all) is they are a bit heavy compared to similar rifles. However, I feel the weight helps keep it steady for follow-up shots and from moving off target when working the lever quickly. (Plus, it's a cowboy gun. Suck it up! LOL)

The second is they can only be loaded from the front of the tube. This makes reloading slower but not a big deal.
I did a double-take on your post here.
I completely over-looked the Henry not having a side loading gate.
Didn't even notice that!
So I went back and read some more about the Henry.

It does look like it would be harder to pull ammo from your pistol belt loops and load the Henry while on the move. Interesting point....

mrvco
April 15, 2013, 08:05 PM
I have a Beretta Renegade in .357 Magnum. It's a ton of fun to shoot. With 38's it is an easy shooter, Magnums step things up nicely. I think they are only sold as Uberti's now.

Stargazer65
April 15, 2013, 08:29 PM
I have the Henry Big Boy. Love it. I don't mind the front loading system since I'm not a fan pinching my thumb in loading gates.:eek:

wnycollector
April 15, 2013, 08:53 PM
I owned a Rossi 44 mag for years. I sold it in a fit of insanity to a buddy of mine and kicked myself ever since. Just after Xmas, I ran across a Rossi 20" 357 and bought it. I couldn't be happier. It shoots better than the 44 at half the cost/round:)

gpurp
April 15, 2013, 09:33 PM
+1 for the Rossi 92. It wasn't the smoothest gun right out of the box but like others have said they can be slicked up if thats your thing. Mine needed a little work on the feed ramps but now it will chamber anything I give it.

C5rider
April 15, 2013, 10:45 PM
I was real interested in this thread as I just found a Navy arms 357. I found it in a little gun shop in a small town. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but I'm looking forward to it!

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=182797&d=1366052172

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=182796&d=1366052164

Big JJ
April 27, 2013, 10:37 AM
I have a Rossi R-92 (357 mag).
Do any of you hand load for this gun?
I am looking for a consisitant hand load for this gun in 357 and 38 special.
If so please PM me as to your load recommendations.
Thanks

Sheepdog1968
April 27, 2013, 01:00 PM
Miroku is one of the better things to happen n the firearm industry. High quality. If you doubt, compare the quality of a miroku lever action to the Remington made marlin lever actions. I'm willing to pay for quality.

OilyPablo
April 27, 2013, 01:05 PM
I was real interested in this thread as I just found a Navy arms 357. I found it in a little gun shop in a small town. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but I'm looking forward to it!

That is way cool. I would love to find one of those!

Furncliff
April 27, 2013, 02:24 PM
The family's favorite rifle is a 25 year old Marlin 1894c. Great for transitioning .22 shooters to cf since you can shoot the .38 special (or lightly loaded .357 if you reload). We don't own horses anymore, but this rifle is a perfect companion in a saddle scabbard. It's also available in .45LC and .44 mag..

I would not buy a new one.

I might be convinced to buy a Henry Big Boy, but the ones I've tried where a bit heavy, but had a super smooth action.

C5rider
April 27, 2013, 07:03 PM
Quote:
I was real interested in this thread as I just found a Navy arms 357. I found it in a little gun shop in a small town. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but I'm looking forward to it!

That is way cool. I would love to find one of those!

i did a little reasearch and found out through proof marks that it was proofed in 1974. I thought that was pretty cool.

STILL waiting to shoot it for the first time! :mad:

OilyPablo
April 27, 2013, 07:11 PM
C5 - what did they charge you $?

C5rider
April 27, 2013, 10:08 PM
what did they charge you $?

Oily,

I paid $450

Didn't think that was too bad.

Elkins45
April 27, 2013, 11:25 PM
Wow, after seeing what some of the Winchester Trapper carbines in 357 have sold for on Gunbroker, I'm definitely putting mine on the market now!

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