Indian made baker rifle


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Bobsen
April 15, 2013, 05:51 PM
Hi it's me again
I've been working on the baker rifle for some weeks now it arrived from India in three days posted in India on the 16 march and arrived on 18th (hardly can believe it myself.)
Have to say whenI got it I was a little disappointed as it was not the one I saw in India and I had paid for,having said that as I wished I had my set of parts.
I hope the photos come out ok but this is as arrived?
I stripped the gun and found the parts reasonably well made but in need of a lot of work
I cleaned off the finish and found a piece of teak with a walnut type colour.
I then worked on the lock it was very heavy and soft so I polished the bridle tumbler and sear the the inside of the lock plate.
I also filed flat the outside of the lock plate and then hardened the parts and reassembled the lock.
I left the parts heat blued as this looked in keeping with the gun
I then filed up the sights and took the high polish off the barrel then put the period proof marks on the breach.
After filing the brass work to fit to the wood I polished it to a bright but not over polished finish.
I removed some wood from the wrist area as this was far to chunky and refitted the trigger guard and brass oval I also fitted a small spring to the ramrod channel to hold the thing in place. I did this by soldering a brass clip to the trigger guard front finial and secured a small bent spring by friction into the clip
This when the guard is in place puts the spring in the end of the ramrod channel
and holds the ramrod in place by friction.
I've tried to attach a number of photos but I can only attach one try any more and it knocks the previous one out so I will post them individually hope it works
I'll put some more detail up tomorrow.
Thanks for now

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Bobsen
April 15, 2013, 05:56 PM
Lock as arrived

Bobsen
April 15, 2013, 05:58 PM
Lock after re working

Bobsen
April 15, 2013, 05:59 PM
Brass work back on the gun

Bobsen
April 15, 2013, 06:01 PM
Finished wood work

Bobsen
April 15, 2013, 06:02 PM
Proof marks

Bobsen
April 15, 2013, 06:03 PM
Lock finished and back on the gun

Cosmoline
April 15, 2013, 06:04 PM
Sharpe looking rifle!

GCBurner
April 15, 2013, 06:06 PM
Looks nice. Where did you get stamps for the period proofs?

Bobsen
April 15, 2013, 06:11 PM
Hi they came from Track of the wolf and cost about 35 usd each plus post to UK
But worth it I think
Hope that helps
Rgds Bob

Bobsen
April 15, 2013, 06:14 PM
Photo with the barrel in place

Patocazador
April 15, 2013, 06:22 PM
The picture of the gun as you received it shows a rough as heck lock and trigger. You sure did a good job cleaning them up.

Bobsen
April 15, 2013, 06:29 PM
Sure was a lot of filing to get the cock looking more like the real thing
I'm glad you like it many thanks for the kind remarks

Dave Markowitz
April 15, 2013, 08:12 PM
Looks very nice after the rework.


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Acorn Mush
April 16, 2013, 01:54 AM
VERY well done. You certainly have every right to be proud of the results you achieved.

Bobsen
April 16, 2013, 02:27 PM
Hi all
A bit more on the rebuild, after i cleaned off the wood I gave it a light stain with american walnut mixed with a little rosť wood stain left it to dry for twenty four hrs and sealed it with pure shellac then built the finish up with a London gun stock oil twice a day for a week left it to harden for a few days and then cut back with fine wire wool and then gave it a final coat of oil hand rubbed until it got warm under my hand and felt dry not the best job I've ever done but a nice antique look .
One thing i was disappointed about was the barrel finish.
first I built an humidity chamber
By getting some 5"cardboard tube the stuff they put a carpet roll on and cut it into a sixty inch length I then made a disk that fitted inside the tube out off plywood cut a central hole to take a plastic coffee cup from a vending machine and a few ventilation holes around the rim
Pushed this up the tube to leave room at the bottom for a forty watt electric tube heater
Stood this contraption on end and poured some water down the tube into the cup and turned on the heater
I then cleaned the barrel and degreased it applied the browning solution and put the barrel into the tube suspended from the top by string through the centre of the lid placed the heater under the cup of water and turned on.
After two days the barrel was looking a mess so cleaned it with oil and fine wire wool only to find the barrel had turned a nice grey colour so I left it as it was in keeping with the look (see photo of the proof marks for an idea of the look???)
I've now ordered some birch wood casey plum brown to see if that works
I will explain anything about the build should anyone have any questions be, right pleased too. Many thanks for looking hope you find it interesting

Bobsen
April 16, 2013, 02:41 PM
:banghead::banghead::banghead:One other thing I would like some help on
Hardening the frizzen I've tried to harden this three times and each time this face lasted for a couple of goes
This is what I did
Cleaned and polished the frizzen heated to bright red with a gas blow torch and buried it in the hardening compound until it cooled took it out and reheated to bright red burning off the coating.
That's what I did three times but still not worked so any help would be appreciated
The only other thing I can think of is to find some one how can do it in an oven ?
Cheers Bob

tsmgguy
April 16, 2013, 07:03 PM
Does Track carry hardened frizzens? If not, The Rifle Shoppe will certainly have them. Judging by the lovely results you've already achieved, you should have no trouble fitting one.

GCBurner
April 16, 2013, 11:14 PM
:banghead::banghead::banghead:One other thing I would like some help on
Hardening the frizzen I've tried to harden this three times and each time this face lasted for a couple of goes
This is what I did
Cleaned and polished the frizzen heated to bright red with a gas blow torch and buried it in the hardening compound until it cooled took it out and reheated to bright red burning off the coating.
That's what I did three times but still not worked so any help would be appreciated
The only other thing I can think of is to find some one how can do it in an oven ?
Cheers Bob
Did you quench it in cold water after the second heating? It's the quench that hardens the surface, just letting it air cool anneals the steel, leaving it soft.
http://www.gunreports.com/special_reports/accessories/Case-Hardening-Kasenit-american-gunsmith-Annealing-steel1750-1.html

Bobsen
April 17, 2013, 02:55 AM
Thank you for the info
I tried as it said and used water but having read the article I can see it might take a few more goes, the other thing I got wrong was shaking off the kasenite when removing it from the tin thinking I was saving some hardening compound for another day.
I will try again this time leaving the build up on the part and burning off when reheating the frizzen.
Once again thanks for you're help
Bob

StrawHat
April 17, 2013, 05:55 AM
Another option for hardening a frizzen is to rivet a piece of saw blade to the face and then harden it. The steel in a good sawblade in much better than what appears to be on your frizzen. It is not an easy job but it produces excellent results.

Acorn Mush
April 18, 2013, 12:56 AM
Bobsen, this link might help.
http://occhiolungo.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/how-to-heat-treating-at-home/

You did such a fine job on the rest of the rifle, don't let the frizzen get you down!

Bobsen
April 18, 2013, 06:03 PM
I've tried to photo the gun to show it finished the aim was to replicate a two hundred year old gun not recreate a new rifle
I don't wish to fool anyone but if a cant afford to buy the real deal I tend to make it.
I hope you get some useful inspiration and ideas if I can help anyone just ask
And thanks for all your help and nice comments
Rgds Bob

Bobsen
April 18, 2013, 06:04 PM
Photo

Jim Watson
April 18, 2013, 06:23 PM
Very handsome.
Does that make the Indian rifle a Hinduityourself kit?

Bobsen
April 18, 2013, 06:25 PM
I guess it does, made me laugh thanks
Bob

4v50 Gary
April 18, 2013, 09:07 PM
Can't kasenite be used to harden the frizzen?

towboat_er
April 19, 2013, 12:45 AM
Ya sure did a great job on it. Congrats.

Dan D
April 28, 2013, 12:52 AM
Nice job!
Dan

Phantom Captain
April 28, 2013, 10:12 AM
I have to say it looks really nice and I think you did a super nice job on the refinish. Good stuff.

What caliber is it? And is it a real rifle or a smoothbore? I ask because I have an Indian made Lorenz (which I love by the way) but it's not a real rifle or .58 caliber. My Lorenz is actually a .62 smoothbore. Wondering if your Baker is the correct caliber or something different as well.

As an aside, I'm totally immersed in the Richard Sharpe books right now (I've read eight so far and can't put them down) so the Baker strikes a chord with me! :cool:

Bobsen
April 28, 2013, 03:48 PM
Hi it's .610 or 16 bore thereabouts seem to like a 600 ball with .18 patch it is smooth bore
But in the process of making a 1/4turn in 30" seven groove rifling machine
Will let you know how it goes thanks for the nice comments
Bob

Jim Watson
April 28, 2013, 04:04 PM
Is this because most such are used only for display or reenactments with blanks?
Or following in the fine tradition of not providing Colonial troops with the latest weapons?
(I recall something about smoothbore versions of 1853 Enfields for Colonial auxiliaries.)

GCBurner
April 29, 2013, 01:40 PM
Is this because most such are used only for display or reenactments with blanks?
Or following in the fine tradition of not providing Colonial troops with the latest weapons?
(I recall something about smoothbore versions of 1853 Enfields for Colonial auxiliaries.)
I believe the gun laws in India are a holdover from Colonial days, and restrict the manufacture of rifled barrels, except for government military and police use.

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