P220 or G30sf as a duty gun?


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KodeFore
April 16, 2013, 12:31 AM
A new way of looking at the rules where I work gives us the option of carrying personal firearms as long as they are mechanically sound in a duty caliber and we of course pass our quarterly qualls. currently carry a g23. I have never had problem making passing scores with it but have never been all that accurate with it either. A buddy of mind who lost his g22 in a fire replaced it with a Sig & loves it. I have actually qualified with my Sig p6 for off duty usually carry either a lcp or g27.

I think am am ready switch over from 40 to 45 because of the softer recoil and bigger bullet. I have never shot a 45 in anything but a 1911 and thought about using my colt for work but its too heavy to tote around 50 hours a week plus I don't want to scuff it up even if it is stainless.

This has me looking at the Sig P220 with nights for 950$ or A G30 for640 ( 500 for gun at the blue label price & 150 for the shop to add HD night sights ).

I would like to hear from those who own or who have shot both both blocks and sigs in 45 acp.

I DO NOT want to start a Sig v Glock debate. I know there are other options but I personally have narrowed it down to these. I think they are both quality duty grade arms makers which is why I am really on the fence over this.

Based on my experience with a personally owned p6 and g27/g22 I have to say I like the feel of the Sig better but do not care for that long first trigger pull.

So far most people I have talked like the Sig 220 for the inherant accuracy.

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jmfc606
April 16, 2013, 12:40 AM
If you are a Police Officer you may purchase a new Sig or Glock direct from them, You will be saving alot of money doing it that way. Just go to their websites and look for individual purchases by officers and click on the link. with sig you can send it to your dept or your local FFL it's your choice. I believe the P220 was around $700 officers price last time I looked. I am partial to sigs. I carried a P220 for over 20 years on duty. Good luck

YZ
April 16, 2013, 12:44 AM
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Broker
April 16, 2013, 12:50 AM
I've owned one P220. It was much more accurate than it should have been, I can see no reason for the Sig to be that accurate, but they are. I do not interface well with Glocks. They seem very awkward to me, & are difficult to shoot well (for me). So, I've never owned one, & never will. In a polymer pistol, S&W's M&P is hard to beat. The ergonomics are perfect for me. Good luck with your choice.

jmr40
April 16, 2013, 01:18 AM
I've never owned a G-30, but I have had a P220 in the past. I currently own a Sig 226 as well as Glock 17's, 19's, a G-26, 20 and 21. Other than a more compact size I can't see how the G-30 would differ much from my G-21

For open carry, duty use I'd prefer the 21 to the 30.

I like both Sig and Glock. Gotta admit I "LIKE" the Sig better, but I don't shoot it a bit better. The Glocks do everything I can do with my Sig for a lot less money, less weight and with more ammo on board. $150 for night sights seem too high.

Quiet
April 16, 2013, 02:00 AM
For open carry duty use, I would go with the Glock 21Gen4.

RX-178
April 16, 2013, 06:16 AM
A full sized P220 (not sure if that's what we're discussing, I'll admit) probably won't be that much less heavy than a 1911. If that's your concern, the Glock 30 is the no-brainer choice.

PabloJ
April 16, 2013, 07:00 AM
A full sized P220 (not sure if that's what we're discussing, I'll admit) probably won't be that much less heavy than a 1911. If that's your concern, the Glock 30 is the no-brainer choice.
I would pick G21. The Sig-Saurer 220 is over-priced Gen III Smith & Wesson with outdated eight round magazine capacity. It's hard to believe but in past some Euro cops had to rely on 9x19 P220.:barf:

bannockburn
April 16, 2013, 07:23 AM
I would go with a Sig P-220 as I had one some years ago and besides being reliable, durable, and easy to shoot, it was amazingly accurate for just about everyone who ever used it. With the same ammo it was could match shot for shot with a Colt Gold Cup I had at the time. I also have tried the Glock G30SF and design-wise it's just not a good fit ergonomically with me.

nathan
April 16, 2013, 10:14 AM
THe 1911 is the way to go, then the Glock 21 and lastly the Sig 220.

pat701
April 16, 2013, 11:12 AM
SIG all the way for duty:cool:

greenlion
April 16, 2013, 11:24 AM
The GLOCK 30sf is not going to recoil less than your G23, and the SIG is going to weigh more...

mach1.3
April 16, 2013, 01:00 PM
I am not a police officer but I do and have carried all the above mentioned CCWs. I like the G30, I haven't tried the G30s, with the lighter trigger it is safe but more accurate than with the standard 5.5# pull. The Sig P220 is a great weapon although it has less mag capacity than the G30. The double action pull it not my favorite but it can be found in a SAO if you prefer the C&L'd carry mode. I have not experienced any failures with my P220. The 1911 is a real favorite of mine esp. in the 5" bbl. I love the trigger but the reliability is slightly less than the P220.

Whatever weapon you decide to carry--become ultra-practiced with it's functioning and handling. We can get used to the trigger pull of any weapon we choose and knowledge of the pistols function lend itself to maximum safety. I agree that .45ACP is a favorite round of mine. It's not uncomfortable to practice with and carries quite a hello at impact.

Devonai
April 16, 2013, 01:25 PM
Honestly I think your best bet is to either keep the G23, or switch to the G22 and call it good. While I would feel comfortable carrying either the P220 or G30 on duty, I don't see the logic in giving up capacity and recoil to switch from .40 to .45.

Thaddeus Jones
April 16, 2013, 01:31 PM
While felt recoil is a subjective matter, I found the Glock 30S to have less felt recoil than a 1997 vintage Sig P220 I shot, using the same ammunition.

The Sig had a better trigger, but other than that......I'd go with the Glock 30S. Accuracy was not noticeably different between the two examples I shot. Good luck! :)

JTQ
April 16, 2013, 02:02 PM
I can't imagine why you would choose the G30 over the G21 for a duty weapon.

I can see the argument for a SIG P220 if you prefer that type of weapon as it may have features you prefer.

WYO
April 16, 2013, 10:02 PM
I don't like the bottom of the grip on the G21. It sticks out too far back for my taste and changes my point of aim.

The G30SF works great. It functions fine with G21 mags without any grip adaptors. It is a smooth recoiling gun and much less snappy than .40s generally. It is really accurate. The 30 packs nicely in a Safariland 6360. Good luck finding a good holster that will accommodate a light if that is a consideration.

The G30SF is a good all around, 7 day a week gun. With 9 round mags it hides nicely IWB. 10 round standard mags are fine for normal carry, and G21 mags are nice for backup magazines. 9 round mags and 10 round mags are difficult when it comes to topping off, but the 13 rounders don't have that problem.

I like Sigs in DAK, but they are generally heavier. I used to carry a 229R DAK. My biggest issue is that they are really wide compared to even the .45 Glocks, which makes them harder to wear IWB, and you give up versatility of capacity.

es71
April 16, 2013, 10:46 PM
Fwiw my brother in law was up this weekend and we hit the range (nypd). He has always carried the Glock. He shot my P220, after his Glock and shot it insanely well at 10yds. He wanted to head to Sig (15 minutes frm my house) to pick one up, until I reminded him it was Sat. That is just a one off example, but...

mo_dingo
April 16, 2013, 11:33 PM
Rent both at the range and see which you like better.

Don't shoot a ton of one gun then switch to the other, shoot one mag of the sig, then one mag of the glock.

If one shoots better, you have a winner. If you can't see any difference, then pick which has the best ergonomics. Do you like firearms with a safety?

I hate the idea of a safety switch on a carry pistol, I want to pull and shoot, if I was in the line of duty. Nothing to worry about except sight picture and trigger pull. But to each their own.

CNobbe
April 17, 2013, 12:46 AM
P220 and Glock 30 are fine guns, I'm a Sig lover myself, and wouldn't hesitate to carry a P220 despite the single stack mags..

Then again, they just launched the Sig P227 which is a Hi Cap 45...14 round mags!

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p227-nitron.aspx

hentown
April 17, 2013, 08:22 AM
Give the Glock a try. Its lower bore axis and better trigger, plus Glock 21 mags as extras far outweigh the Sig 220's features and benefits. You'll find the G30 to be about the softest-shooting .45acp you ever shot, and plenty accurate, too.

rodinal220
April 17, 2013, 10:59 AM
My P220 served me well,so im biased.

Sheepdog1968
April 17, 2013, 11:19 AM
I own both. Sigs are by far my favorite and I've got over 10,000 rounds through my 220. I've taken a lot of classes with it (mostly Awerbuck). It's what I keep next to the shotgun for home defense. Having said that, I dislike that DA pull on it and feel as if it slows me down on making a first shot.

I think after 10,000 rounds with many purposefully on DA I can say that I'm never going to be comfortable with that first shot out of a Sig. Becuase of this, I would carry the Glock 30. I like the consistent trigger pull. If the DA/SA doesn't bother you (which per your post is the issue) then I'd go with a Sig; otherwise the Glock 30.

I've recently moved to a more friendly county in CA and I plan to apply for a CCW. A glock 30SF is what I will carry becuase of the more consistent trigger even though I like Sigs better in every other respect.

Shipwreck
April 17, 2013, 12:24 PM
I prefer DA/SA over the Glock trigger, personally.

Bovice
April 17, 2013, 12:42 PM
If the choice is strictly G30 or P220, the P220 is my vote. Not sure why you'd pick the G30 as a possible service pistol. It's OC.

DeepSouth
April 17, 2013, 01:04 PM
I have a p220 that I LOVE, it has been totally reliable. Never had a malfunction of any kind. I've never held a G-anything that I liked.

In the end it's your gun, not mine. Buy what you like.
But I do recommend the p220.

Fremmer
April 17, 2013, 03:17 PM
The glock is a smaller gun, and you won't have much less recoil from a .45 in a small gun like that compared to your .40.

The sig is larger and heavier than the glock, but it might be easier to shoot well compared to a smaller gun depending on your hand and personal preference. How will you carry the gun during duty? Do you need a smaller sub compact for duty? The sig and glock are a lot different in size.
And which one do you shoot better?

Inebriated
April 17, 2013, 03:32 PM
Has OP mentioned why the 30 over the 21? A loaded G21 weighs only 4oz MORE than an UNLOADED P220... The G30 loaded is 1oz LESS than an unloaded P220. I'd go for the G21 for a 5oz difference.

And I'd go Glock > SIG any day for a duty gun. The consistent trigger, lower bore axis, and capacity of the G21 make it incredibly hard to beat by any other non-polymer .45 on the market. Love my SIGs, but the Glock is just better-suited for the job.

Fremmer
April 17, 2013, 03:36 PM
And some posters on the first page do think there's less recoil going from the .40 to the glock in .45, so maybe they're right.

GCMkc
April 17, 2013, 05:17 PM
Sig P220
-Heavier
-Taller
-Wider
-Longer
-Less capacity (could run 10rd magazines)
-DA/SA, DAO, SAO, or DAK
-Slimmer grip
-Decocker
-More expensive

Glock 30
-Lighter
-Shorter
-Slimmer (doesn't seem that way to me but I compared stats from SIG's site to Glock's site)
-Striker fire
-Wider frame than P220
-Higher capacity (13rd G21 mags could be used as well)
-Cheaper

SIG is coming out with a new double-stack P220 (P227) which is supposed to be as slim as a P226. So, you might hold out for that. Glock is also coming out with the slimmer G30s.

Both are super reliable guns and I'm going to have to say that I like the Sig P220 better but that's just personal preference. To me it feels better in the hand and I like the DA/SA trigger setup.

Could compromise with a .40 cal Sig SP2022. :D

jmr40
April 17, 2013, 08:07 PM
I don't like the bottom of the grip on the G21. It sticks out too far back for my taste and changes my point of aim.



A valid reason to choose the G-30 over the 21. But, have you tried the G-21 SF with the shorter grip, or the versions with interchangeable backstraps. That may make a difference to you. I prefer the G-19 over the G-17 for essentially the same reason.

Inebriated
April 17, 2013, 08:11 PM
You can also just heat the "hump", and push it in a little. Subtle look, big difference in feel.

Hagen442
April 17, 2013, 08:16 PM
The 220
"Hell And Back Reliability"
Shot USPSA & IDPA for a bunch of years.
The Sigs Never Stopped Running (220s & 226s)

My Old 2 Cents

tomrkba
April 17, 2013, 08:49 PM
Get the SIG. It looks, fits and shoots better. It won't pinch your finger between the magazine and frame when you reload quickly.

Inebriated
April 17, 2013, 09:27 PM
^None of my Glocks have ever pinched me during reloads.

cor_man257
April 18, 2013, 04:53 PM
My 220 has yet to fail. At the end of the day, it just fits. And if it was a duty weapon I wouldn't worry about the weight, as you should have a good belt on.

The 227 may be even more promising though...

dprice3844444
April 18, 2013, 05:22 PM
dept letterhead directly to sig works.glock 21c , 45 compensated would be cheaper and lighter from a glock police distributer.

Steve in PA
April 18, 2013, 07:54 PM
I've been carrying a P-220 for several years and love it. Actually, I own two P-220's; one for duty (blued) and one I normally use to training/plinking (two-tone). If I can't take care of my problem with 8+1 rounds of .45acp, then I need a bazooka!

Bovice
April 18, 2013, 08:42 PM
There's no way in hell a P220 is thicker than a G30/G21. Just no.

But that doesn't matter because it isn't being concealed. A larger gun is easier to handle.

David E
April 18, 2013, 08:48 PM
Get the SIG. It looks, fits and shoots better. It won't pinch your finger between the magazine and frame when you reload quickly.

Use Glock 21 mags if you're concerned about pinching your hand during a fast reload. Or just go with w 21-SF instead of the 30

WYO
April 18, 2013, 10:09 PM
There's no way in hell a P220 is thicker than a G30/G21. Just no.

But that doesn't matter because it isn't being concealed. A larger gun is easier to handle.
I have not owned a 220 since the early nineties, but the Sig website shows the 220 to be wider than the 30. My 229R in .40, advertised at the same width as the P220, was a pig compared to the 30SF. I understand that a gun can be a monster for uniformed carry in a duty holster because it doesn't matter. I strive for a gun that can be carried all the time. The 30SF meets that criteria for me. YMMV

Bovice
April 19, 2013, 01:19 AM
The .40 P229 is much thicker than the P220.

Bobson
April 19, 2013, 01:36 AM
I'd take the G30SF. I'm not a big fan of SA/DA, so the SIG is out unless you grab one in DAK. I still prefer a Glock trigger over the DAK. Also I don't like full-size Glocks so the G21 is out. I'd rather carry the 19 or 26 in 9, the 23 or 27 in .40, or the 30SF in .45. That's just me.

SIGs are great but selecting a SIG over a Glock because of reliability is like choosing a spoon over a fork for mashed potatoes. They're both superb tools for the job.

gun addict
April 19, 2013, 01:50 AM
My first choice would a Springfield XDM followed by a Glock 21 or a M&P45, Not a fan at all of the d/a action of the Sig P220 and their recoil feel abit harsh to me compared to polymer pistols. Plus, you're losing 5 rounds of 45acp in comparison to a double stack 45 pistol like the Springfield or Glock

GCMkc
April 19, 2013, 04:17 PM
There's no way in hell a P220 is thicker than a G30/G21. Just no.

But that doesn't matter because it isn't being concealed. A larger gun is easier to handle.

That's what I'm thinking. I have a Glock 29 and the slide dimensions are identical to the Glock 30. I put my Glock 29 next to my P220 (has stamped slide so I don't know if there are thickness variations between stamped and milled slides) and the Glock 29 looks fatter. If I had a caliper I would measure.

Teachu2
April 19, 2013, 04:24 PM
That's what I'm thinking. I have a Glock 29 and the slide dimensions are identical to the Glock 30. I put my Glock 29 next to my P220 (has stamped slide so I don't know if there are thickness variations between stamped and milled slides) and the Glock 29 looks fatter. If I had a caliper I would measure.
Lay them side-by-side on a flat surface and lay a hardcover book over both. High side of book is the thicker weapon.

GCMkc
April 19, 2013, 04:35 PM
I could do that but it wouldn't really tell me the actual difference in thickness.

Bobson
April 19, 2013, 11:17 PM
I could do that but it wouldn't really tell me the actual difference in thickness.
Glock website lists the G30SF as having a width of 1.27 inches. G30SF Specs (http://us.glock.com/products/model/g30sf)
SIG website lists the P220 as having a width of 1.5 inches. P220 Specs (http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p220.aspx)

Difference of 0.23 inches, or less than 6 mm.

Case closed. The Glock is thinner than the SIG.

GCMkc
April 20, 2013, 12:27 AM
Glock website lists the G30SF as having a width of 1.27 inches. G30SF Specs
SIG website lists the P220 as having a width of 1.5 inches. P220 Specs

Difference of 0.23 inches, or less than 6 mm.

Case closed. The Glock is thinner than the SIG.

Glock 30sf Width: 1.27 http://us.glock.com/products/model/g30sf

Glock 30s Width 1.28 http://us.glock.com/products/model/g30s

Glock's website advertises the Glock 30s as having a slimmer slide than the Glock 30sf. So, I don't really believe anything now. I have a G29 slide right next to my Sig P220 slide (stamped slide). It's obvious the G29 is bigger. I'm going to get a caliper tomorrow and measure it. My money is on the Sig being slimmer.

Case not closed.

tomrkba
April 20, 2013, 12:43 AM
Glock 30sf Width: 1.27 http://us.glock.com/products/model/g30sf

Glock 30s Width 1.28 http://us.glock.com/products/model/g30s

Glock's website advertises the Glock 30s as having a slimmer slide than the Glock 30sf. So, I don't really believe anything now. I have a G29 slide right next to my Sig P220 slide (stamped slide). It's obvious the G29 is bigger. I'm going to get a caliper tomorrow and measure it. My money is on the Sig being slimmer.

Case not closed.

I think the manufacturers are measuring from the widest point only, rather than the various elements (slide, grip).

The Glock 30 comes off as much wider in the slide area, while the P220 is slightly more narrow. Overall, they're about the same. Pictured is a Glock 21, which has the same width as the 30. The Glock 30 slide feels much wider than it is. However, the photos below show the differences as negligible at the rear of the slide. Notice the SIG tapers slightly towards the muzzle, though the slide release adds width in that location only. Glocks are called "Blocks" for a reason.

The practical differences are:

1) The wider slide of the Glock can be felt in IWB or appendix IWB holsters.
2) The grip of the Glock is slightly longer. The SIG 8 round magazines add quite a bit of height and make it nearly the same length.
3) SIG magazines are easier to hide.

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G21 vs P220

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Guns in holsters with nearly no difference (holsters made with .06" kydex)

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Magazines

JDR
April 20, 2013, 05:23 PM
currently carry a g23

I'd stick with one of the Glock 45 ACPs, based on your current carry. I have a Glock 17 and a P220 (DA/SA) and I like both for different reasons. The fact that the trigger pull is always the same with the Glock might make it a better carry choice, unless the P220 is DAO

Fremmer
April 20, 2013, 07:36 PM
Sao p220 rocks! The trigger is that good, and consistent.

But ultimately it is whichever he shoots better.

tomrkba
April 20, 2013, 10:45 PM
I have a Glock 17 and a P220 (DA/SA) and I like both for different reasons. The fact that the trigger pull is always the same with the Glock might make it a better carry choice, unless the P220 is DAO

DA/SA SIGs shoot easier if you think of it as a double action gun that happens to have a nice, short reset. Master the double action and shoot off the reset as you would any Glock.

David E
April 21, 2013, 12:53 AM
Short reset? Only if you have the newer SRT (Short Reset Trigger) feature, but even then, it's nothing to brag about.

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